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Are mental diseases such as bipolar, depression, ADHD or schizophrenia caused by demon oppression?

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kathr4453,
Yes, that is quite a blessing indeed. "Faith comes by hearing alright....just like the Bible says.", Amen.

Donna66,
Leslie left us to wonder, and so do you (excuse me.)
In all kindness, that is not how the story goes.
---Nana on 8/7/09


Just so you won't be left to wonder
...Acts 8:9-24 (I just looked this up)

Tells of Simon's conversion under the ministry of Phillip. He had previously been a sorceror.
When he heard Phillip and became a Christian, he saw Phillip laying hands on believers to receive he Holy Spirit. He was so impressed that he offered Phillip money to have the same ability. Phillip rebuked him. He repented.

There is no mention of casting out demons, though Phillip's rebuke was quite severe.
---Donna66 on 8/7/09


Nana, yes I read everything again about Philip and it's just not there. But with that I will have to say I got a really huge blessing from reading these verses over. The one with Philip and the eunich (SP).

The eunich is reading out of the OT and Philip comes over, and asks if he understands what he is reading. Philip reads out of Isaiah 53. The eunich says, who is this that I may believe...and Philip shares the Gospel. Faith comes by hearing alright....just like the Bible says.

So our understanding of the Gospel and it's proper proclamation of Jesus death and resurrection life is what/where faith in Him is. Nothing about him being born again first to be able to understand! Nowhere in Acts, saying such things.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/09


kathr4453,
It must be that Leslie was refering to Simon the magician and therefore her assertion:
"Also in Acts when Philip got one man saved, baptized in water, and baptized in the H.S., he still had demons, that Philip needed to cast out"
is innacurate.
What do you say Leslie??
---Nana on 8/7/09


Leslie, I will have to go and look up the story of Phillip and casting out demons to one after salvation. I can honestly say, I'm not familiar with that scripture. Can you tell me the verses please so I can examine myself.


I am GOD posessed, Holy Spirit Posessed, and totally posessed by my Lord and SAvior Jesus Christ...so sorry, there's just no more room at the inn for unwelcome critters!

AND I don't hear Paul, or John or Peter teaching anything of the kind!


He who is in me is STRONGER than he who is in the world...demons included! I'm seated with Christ ABOVE powers and principalities and rulers in dark places! Ephesians 1. They just can't sit here with me...not in the presence of God!
---kathr4453 on 8/6/09




We need to understand our everything is in Christ Jesus, all you have to do is read ask receive, don't doubt believe.

Is it that easy NO of course it aint but you do because you have to!

You have to write the word of scripture on the tablets of your heart and mind and when you need them in times of troubles they will appear and give you the healing/ comfort to help and keep you in ALL things because Jesus said so.

That's the joys of Knowing the blessings of Lord and his word. It means even when keeping your mind from the perils of old age sickness and diseases Gods words and promises will do what he said he will do.
---Carla3939 on 8/6/09


Kathr4453 - I am saying that sin and unforgivness open the door to demons. You are putting the welcome mat out for them. If you do NOT confess and repent of sins, and forgive others, then yes, demons do enter into your life. Exorcisim may not be necessary if you repent and forgive - although there are also sins of your relatives (forefaters) that come into play. The way to deal with that, is confess all generational sins and unforgivness from Adam and Eve to eternaty - then forgive those people.
---Leslie on 8/5/09


2nd Kathr4453 - Also in Acts when Philip got one man saved, baptized in water, and baptized in the H.S., he still had demons, that Philip needed to cast out. This is proof that Christians can have demons.
---Leslie on 8/5/09


Carla, that was great!!

I also LOVE Psalms 91!!! Just more things THEY don't know unfortunately!

God Bless!

I guess the sin of not brushing my teeth three times a day will cause the tooth decay demon to attack!!!

These poor souls don't have VICTORY in Jesus or even KNOW what the work of Christ in our life is at all! They are still runing around life flea infested dogs scratching themselves to death.

Christ in you....wow, is so much better than any flea powder on the market!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/09


Only if you know it Kathr, only if you know it?

You cannot know that God will protect you if someone don't tell you.

I knew because I was bought up in church singing these songs :

x2 In the name of Jesus, we shall have the victory,
X2 In the name of Jesus,Demons will have to flee,
For when we stand in the name of Jesus
tell me who can stand before us
when we stand in the name of Jesus
we hall have the victory!
---Carla3939 on 8/3/09




Leslie,

Are you suggesting when I sin, a demon enters me? Are you suggesting when we sin, we get exorcised instead rather than confess our sin, and be cleansed by the Blood of Jesus? Where are we taught after saved that we must be exorcised to have demons cast out? It's not there Leslie.....You will never see anyone cast demons out of those who are already saved and believe in Jesus Christ.

If you find that scripture please let me know. And please don't use Simon as an example. He wanted the power Paul had for the wrong reasons.....and maybe those who insist in this doctrine also want it for the wrong reasons.
---kaathr4453 on 8/2/09


Yes, Mary, there are brain disorders. It's not very well understood which behaviors are due to this. But it is a well established fact. Some can change to "normal" by medications that change their brain chemistry.

If people are not aware of this, it's easy to blame demons for ANY kind of abnormal behaviors. Demons do exist, can control people....but are not responsible for everything.
---Donna66 on 7/31/09


Kathr4453 - Are you suggesting that you NEVER sin or are unforgiving? Are you suggesting that if you are TRULY saved you NEVER sin or have unforgiveness again? If you are suggesting these things, you are NOT lined up with the Bible. Just because your saved does not mean that you are sinless, or can never sin again. Look at Paul in the Bible - He was saved, and he struggled with sin on a daily basis (saying "what I want to do, I do not do, and what I don't want to do, I do"). Are you saying that Paul was NOT saved? Also for your knowledge, the flesh and demons are two different things. You can crucify your flesh, but not a demon. You can cast out a demon, but not your flesh.
---Leslie on 7/31/09


kathr- People who are attacked by demons have let sin into their lives somehow. The Holy Ghost does not dwell with sinners. You should read your Bible more thoroughly.
---Betty on 7/31/09


Romans 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Leslie & Betty, OH I praise God every day for Jesus Christ in my life, that the Spirit of God does dwell in me, and the Spirit of Christ is in me.

Those who are Christs HAVE crucified the flesh.

I do understand re: Ted Haggard,Swaggard, J. Baker etc, but would have to say, those of the charismatic camp actually invite this into their lives, and these do not submit to the the doctrine of the Cross. I am crucified with Christ
---kathr4453 on 7/31/09


kathr- You are positively fooled if you think the Lord is going to stay with a sinner who once was saved. He is under no obligation to anyone, and He hates sin. He will leave you if you give in to sin. Hell is going to be full of those who thought they were Christians & did His will. Matthew 7:22,23 Jesus told those 'Christians' to depart from Him, that He never knew them. 1 Peter 4:18 "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" Don't forget about the five foolish virgins.
---Betty on 7/30/09


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Sin and Unforgiveness opens the door for demons to come into your life - you are putting out the welcome sign. Most all sickness and disease IS caused by demons, and demons come in through sin and unforgiveness. If you do NOT believe this, you are spiritually blind. Jesus came to set people free, NOT to keep them bound.
---Leslie on 7/30/09


Betty, here is God's promise to David, called the Davidic Covenant. We today are in an ever greater Covenant with God! Yet you see, even in spite of David's failures and sin, GOD KEPT HIS WORD!

2 Samuel 7:13-15
13He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
---kathr4453 on 7/30/09


Betty, in the OT, KINGS/Prophets were anointed by God and anointed by the Holy Spirit. These men were not Born again of the Spirit of the Life of Christ..the Risen Christ, because Christ had not yet been Crucified and Risen. I am not an OT King or Prophet to be under such warnings.

In the NT, the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey God...meaning obeying and receiving the Gospel of His Son, Jesus Christ.

I can quench, and grieve teh Holy Spirit, but If Jesus said He will never leave me or forsake me, the Holy Spirit or God the Father cannot leave me either. I am Hidden with God In Christ, sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise until the day of Redemption. God cannot break a covenant promise.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/09


katr- The Holy Spirit certainly will leave those who give in & sin. He departed from Saul & He'll depart from any whom He chooses to depart from. Those who go to hell will not have the Holy Spirit & some of them will think they are good Christians, & will think they had the Holy Spirit (Matthew 7:22,23). Ephesians 4:29 "Let no corrupt communication come out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." So it is with the written word, as well. One foul word is like a fly in the ointment.
---Betty on 7/29/09


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Betty, what I posted was in reply to Leslie saying a CHRISTIAN can be demon possessed.

Betty, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Life of Christ in me will NEVER depart for one thing.

And He who is IN ME is stronger than he who is in the world. So even if satan himself were in me....Christ in me and His Spirit and Power of God in me DELIVERS ME from any such posession.

Christians however can be OPPRESSED and depressed, by spirits. Through the power of the Word of God, we just tell those little buggers to take a hike.



We're not under the Davidic Covenant to pray "don't let your spirit depart from me". We're under an even BETTER covenant. The Covenant of Grace . CHRIST IN YOU!!! BETTER!!
---kathr4453 on 7/29/09


Wow! I sure wish some of you people would attend an "In Our Own Voice" seminar, done by people who suffer mental illnesses! Or at least get educated, there is such a thing as brain illnesses and emotional/psychological trauma that debilitates people sometimes! And yes, I do believe demons exist but I also (as a patient myself) believe in brain illnesses!
---Mary on 7/28/09


kathr- (7-20) Demons enter into people who have sinned & do their will - as much as God will allow. Christians who don't sin are protected by God. All it takes is one little sin for a demon to be able to get at a person. I really don't understand your vehemence in calling demon oppression or demon possession a false, accursed gospel. Besides Jesus left believers authority to cast out demons for some reason. Did you know that sometimes God sends evil spirits to people to trouble them? 1Samuel 16:14. Let us all hope and pray to receive the Holy Spirit & that the Spirit of the Lord will not depart from us.
---Betty on 7/28/09


The Giants in the Earth were powerful men that were born after the Sons of God married Cains decedents. Adam and those of his children that kept the covenant were the sons of God, just like those that keep the new covenant. God made a covenant with Adam by blood. He was to separate himself from Cain and all his descendants because they had the Mark of separation, they were the children of Satan, full of unclean spirits. BY the act of the Sons of Adam sinning against God by marrying the Daughters of Cain. The Giants came forth.
Powerful men in the earth who made war and kingdoms, they used both the covenants of Adam and Cain to get wealth and power and God had to destroy them to save Man.
---exzucuh on 7/28/09


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It wouldn't surprise me if these things were demons after all the angels came down from heaven went with the people of the earth and they were Giants, some form of deformity that God was not pleased with.

It's not something you want to focus on but it it something one needs to be aware of there are things we are not aware of, someone I know had demonic experiences and the consequences left her wondering if this cause a defect in her child.

The subject is taboo with some people but I applaud her for suggesting it, it had come into my thought God bless her I just really don't know if that's what really happened as a result of her experience!
---Carla3939 on 7/27/09


As far as casting out demons, look to scripture.
Acts 19:13-17
The demons did not recoqnize the casting out by the seven sons. The demon recognized Jesus and Paul, but not that person. If you analyze why did the demon not recognize them, perhaps it's because they had no faith and works. They only ran around casting out demons, but did nothing else. Jesus and Paul fed the poor and healed the sick and preached the Gospels. Presumably, these seven sons did none of the other things required by scripture. The demons need to be shown that you are indeed a follower of Jesus by every breath and action you take. That you, yourself have few specks in your eye. It's hard to preach to a smoker to stop smoking when you yourself are guzzling booze.
---stephen on 7/21/09


Are mental diseases such as bipolar, depression, ADHD or schizophrenia caused by demon oppression?
yES The devil comes to kill steal distroy and confuse ...
---TIMOTHY on 7/20/09


Good Hygiene Friends. Don't! Please Don't throw away that tooth brush or dental visits.

Tooth decay is caused by acid produced when the sugar in plaque (bits of food and drink mixed with bacteria) breaks down. Fizzy drinks are particularly bad for teeth because they contain acid which begins to cause decay straight away. This leads to the break-down of the enamel (the protective surface coating) and mineral loss occurs. At this stage, re-mineralization is possible and is helped by good dental hygiene regular cleaning with toothpaste and fluorine mouthwash.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/09


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James 5:15
14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:


Seem as though God forgot to tell James how it works! to think, all he did was say PRAY for a Christian and the prayer of faith will heal the sick.


Where did this idea come from that demons have identies :

The Pimple Demon
The Wart Demon
The bad hair day demon!!
I'm in a bad mood and I hate your MaMa Demon!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/09


Disease, death, decay etc is caused by SIN. Original Sin.

Jesus Christ died for SIN. Demons have no power in a Christian who comes THROUGH Calvary. Our Old man is crucified with Christ....and rendered powerless. This is the wonderful GOOD NEWS ...and THIS truth will set you FREE.

If demons can be blamed for everthing, and it's just a matter of casting them out...where then is conviction of sin? There is none, Only your mis-use of Jesus Christ.

Jesus didn't come, die on a cross and rise up just to cast out demons.

This is a FALSE accursed gospel, which is no gospel at all!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/09


God commands us to worship Jesus he commands the Angels to worship Jesus. Jesus said if you believe in God believe in me Also. Which is worship. You cannot even worship God unless you worship Jesus first, Your worship must come through him to God. There is no salvation,
or healing, or covering for sin without Jesus, his name is above every name. Every Name means no name in heaven or earth above that name. All saved are under the Family name of Jesus in heaven and earth. You cannot please God if you do not worship his Son, Jesus is synonymous with his father, he came in his fathers name and the name of his father is in him.
---exzucuh on 7/20/09


kathr4453 - Tooth decay and other such things are caused by demons. Leslie***

Leslie, sorry but the wrong demon here was cast out...you needed to cast out the demon of poor hygiene.

steveng is correct, it if the Power of GOD. Leslie, God just doesn't say "HOW HIGH" when YOU say Jump! God is not in submission to YOU.

Your doctrine is dangerous to the core, just an excuse for sin..oh the devil made me do it....cast it out! ( GO TO CALVARY FRIENDS!!!)


Warning but true. Here in the 80's two daughters of a pastor deeply into this demon theology were raped and murdered, because they went to the most dangerous place here in town believing THEY had some special gift to cast out demons!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/20/09


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Leslie: "kathr4453 - It has NOTHING to do with showing my power of casting out demons, I am NOT the one doing it. It is Jesus working through me to do it."

It's not Jesus who gives you the power to perform miracles, it is God the Father. Jesus himself said that God the Father works through him.

On another note, christians are not to worship Jesus, we are to worship God the Father.
---Steveng on 7/19/09


Leslie

Is Swine Flu caused by demons?

If a limb is amputated, or brain damaged following a motor accident, is the inability of the leg to re-gro, or the branin to re-grow its damaged cells caused by demons?

Is cancer caused by demons?

Now that we can control some infections using anti-biotics, does that mean we, mere men, have conquered the demons that cause the infections?

Is old age and the accompanyig frailties caused by demons?

Are broken toe-nails causwed by demons or by the fact that walking boots are too small and the toe knocks against the boot as one walks downhill.

Is an arm broken when a child falls out of a tree cause by demons?
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/19/09


Sickness is caused by sin. Demons have no power or authority unless given by you or God.
Demons work by exsousia authority the same as man. This is given authority or what you call anointing. The only power that exists is the Father God the Holy Spirit, he operates by dunamus Authority, supreme power. The wages of sin is death and death comes by sickness or accident. But accidents do not happen to those that truly follow God. Those that truly live under the Holy Spirit, live by divine providence. All others are subject to circumstances of the world system and laws. The Law of sin and death says that all who sin will die by some means but those who walk in the Spirit do not fulfill this Law.
---exzucuh on 7/19/09


Ha! What!? Tooth decay is caused by demons?? It's caused by poor dental hygiene-what are you talking about??

As for the mental diseases, I understand where you're coming from, but I feel that these hardships that look terrifying tooutsiders are hurdles given to these individuals to aid in their spiritual growth. The same way that other sicknesses are not as a result of God punishing us, but are ways for the sick and the healthy to learn about life, love and what is important. These struggles can also be used to the person's benefit. ADHD, for example, can be very helpful in particular careers.
---Kristen on 7/19/09


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I agree with Leslie, on some of what she is saying. people are walking around as sleep walkers. A sleep walker is a person that doesn't know that he or she doesn't know.Ther is not one case of mental illness in the bible. appathy, pride lust, depression are all things of satan and Jesus gave us the power to remove these things. people need to read the word in the spirit and allow God to reveal things to you. there is nothing new under the sun. The bible is not literal.
---kelli on 7/18/09


kathr4453 - Again you are WRONG. Tooth decay and other such things are caused by demons. Someone had a demon of tooth decay, and after their delierance, had no more tooth problems. Either God is a liar or people are. My guess, is that people are, because the Bible talks about demon possession (including in Christians and sick). The Bible is TRUTH, so anyone who does NOT believe in demons possessing anyone (including Christians and sick), they are the LIARS, and the ones that go AGAINST God and His Word.
---Leslie on 7/17/09


kathr4453 - It has NOTHING to do with showing my power of casting out demons, I am NOT the one doing it. It is Jesus working through me to do it. I have NO power of my own, it is Jesus in me. I know that Jesus is Lord too, some people do NOT however - casting out demons is a sign to them that He is Lord (it points to Jesus, NOT people). Jesus gave ALL Christians power to cast out demons, and even COMMANDED them to do so. If you are NOT casting out demons, you are in REBELLION to Jesus.
---Leslie on 7/17/09


Steven, I misunderstood the last post. Yes I agree...Leslie belief is very very dangerous indeed to the Professing Christian Community by suggesting someone has a demon or MAY BE demon posessed.

I wouldn let anyone who states such things come near me or even touch me in any way....THEY infact may be demon posessed wanting to possess you by laying hands on you.

Beware of false teachers, and let no strangers lay hands on for any reason!

We are complete in Christ. If He wants them out...He has the Power within us to send them on their way! We live on the resurrection side of the Cross now! And no Leslie, Christians don't need to see Your power manifest in order to Proclaim Jesus is Lord. We already KNOW He is!
---kathr4453 on 7/17/09


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Okay Leslie, I've been nice but this is going way beyond the acceptable level of debate to accuse some of us of having demons! NOT COOL! And definitely NOT TRUE!
---Mary on 7/17/09


Leslie: "Mary, Donna66, & Kathr4453, [you all] may even see some demons in you."

If you were of the Spirit, you would KNOW for sure if they are demon possessed instead of using the word "may." Jesus didn't go around saying, "If you repent of your sins, you may go to heaven." Early christians, the apostles, and all the other godly people throughout the bible were bold when approaching others because they had the Holy Spirit within.
---Steveng on 7/16/09


kathr4453: "steveng, so you are of the false teaching of the WOF movement?"

I don't belong to any worldly "movement," I don't belong to any worldly religion, I don't need to be a member of a denominational "church" to have a personal relationship with God. My days are filled with doing the word of God - not only be a hearer like most christians who attend denominational "churches." You are of the christain cult that will mock the two prophets as spoken of by John in Revelation because they don't adhere to your doctrines.

Repent of your false accusations against Mary, Donna66, & Kathr4453.
---Steveng on 7/16/09


Leslie, the blog question is OPRESSION, not posession. And I would say you may think more highly of yourself than you ought to say YOU can go and cast out demons.

First of all, where will you tell the demons to go? Those who possess bodies need other bodies to go into. Just like Jesus sending them into the pigs. If you don't do it correctly....they may come after you..as did also happen in scripture.

Many of these disorders are chemical imbalances in the body, just as diabetes is.

GERMS cause diseases too.
Tooth decay, gum disease.. isn't caused by demons.

Leslie, your doctrine is dangerous and condemning to others.

Can God heal, absolutely..does it depend on YOUR faith or God's MERCY????!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/09


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Bless you Donna :) Whew, from others, I'm sure taking a beating here lol :D But I know about mental illness, both from learning about it and from first-hand experience, wish some of these other guys would not attack me as sharply, oh well--it's only a blog :)
---Mary on 7/16/09


Mary, Donna66, & Kathr4453 - 1st Mary - I would really like to take you up on your offer (when and where should I be there). I can bet ALL the money in the world that your patients, and even you have demons. Jesus made NO distintion between those that have mental or physical disease and those that have demons (they are one in the same). 2nd Donna66 - If you would like to join me at Mary's work, you are more than welcome. I will be there, and we may even see some demons in you. 3rd Kathr4453 - You are going off of personal belief, NOT what the Bible says. Jesus does NOT care if we believe it or not, He said it and it is settled. You may even have some demons as well just like Mary and Donna66.
---Leslie on 7/16/09


If you don't believe it, then you are like the majority of christians lacking faith.
---Steveng on 7/15/09

....placing the blame on us not having enough faith??? Hummm!.

Wiggleworth said he could raise the dead. He just had to muster up enough faith to do it.So, faith in faith is the error here. Our faith is in Jesus Christ, not in faith.

steveng, so you are of the false teaching of the WOF movement?

Steveng,are you aging? That's a degenerative disease. It was brought on by the fall of Adam/Eve. When YOU can cast out the demon of aging in you....then you and Leslie will have some proof of what you are saying.

And your both saying you are demon posessed now just by aging! Cure yourselves first!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/09


Leslie, I believe when we get saved, Jesus sanctifies us Body, Soul and Spirit.

Christians can be oppressed, suppressed, depressed by demonic spirits, but once Christ comes in they go out. It doesn't mean they will leave you alone. Leslie, darkness cannot dwell with Light.

Christians need to understand the Power of the Cross AND all the Cross entails!

That's the problem with the Charismatic teaching today. We're not delivered by casting out demons....We're delivered by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and His Blood.

And they overcame by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony....

Nothing about Benny Hinn here!
---kathr4453 on 7/16/09


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Mary: "...But I just don't think the people sitting in my group are demon-possessed, they are mentally ill--big difference."

God, through you, can heal all the people in your group. If God could create the entire universe, placing every moleculre where it's suppose to be. If God, through Jesus, can heal the sick, calm the storm, turn water into wine and bring dead people back to life. Then he surely can heal all the people in your group. All he needs to do is rearrange the atoms, molecules, and cells to its normal state.

If you don't believe it, then you are like the majority of christians lacking faith.
---Steveng on 7/15/09


kathr4453: "steveng, how is that possible? Christians today have greater POWER then Jesus does????who by the way Jesus is God!

Are you saying Christians are greater than Jesus? Greater than God?

All power comes from God...period."

Agreed, but...

Acts 1:8
Acts 6:8

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father.

kathr4453, you should keep your toungue until you know for sure.
---Steveng on 7/15/09


When you actually come down to it, I'd bet money (if I was a betting person) that Leslie wouldn't show up at the NAMI meeting...even if she lives in the same town as Mary.

I'm familiar with Derek Prince. It's easy to parrot what he says. But sitting in a room with a bunch of mentally ill people? How bold would she be, by herself, casting out all those demons? (or should I say foolish, for if what she believes is true and demons are as I've seen....she'd be in grave danger)

I believe SOME cases of mental illness are caused by demons, but having worked with a lot of mentally ill, I'd say few.
---Donna66 on 7/15/09


Ps: Also, Leslie, please refrain from attacking me and others "like me" in the manner in which you do. It's not cool! Thank you.
---Mary on 7/15/09


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Mary - How many people in your group have been totally healed of schizophenia? If few to none, you are NOT doing what Jesus teaches, but only what man teaches. Jesus did and taught that we are to set people FREE, NOT leave them bound, and just try to treat them (this is inhumane). What you are doing is NOT of God, but of the devil. You may even (from your comments) believe that you know more than God (pride = acting like the devil). I urge you to read the N.T. of the Bible.
---Leslie on 7/15/09


Leslie, please read what I wrote, not what you THINK I wrote--I DO believe in demons! I wish they didn't exist but they do but I am also educated about mental illnesses and trust me, there is a difference between mental illnesses and demon possession.
---Mary on 7/15/09


Hi Steveng, good question you asked :) But I just don't think the people sitting in my group are demon-possessed, they are mentally ill--big difference. It's not that I lack faith, 'cause I have faith in the One Who faith is because of and for. But yeah, I just believe people can be mentally ill, just like you can be physically sick--and in fact, mental illness IS usually a physical illness.
---Mary on 7/15/09


Mary and anyone else that does NOT believe in demons, but only in mental illness - let's just say that you go AGAINST the Bible and God. The Bible talks about Jesus, and the early church Apostles casting out demons from people throughout the N.T. Demons are very real, and can destroy a persons life. Mary and all others that believe like her, are living what is called a "Humanist" perspective - this is NOT Godly or Biblical, but comes directly from Satan to disceive people. In other words you are being lied to. The Bible is the ONLY book we should go by for TRUTH, ALL else that does NOT line up with it is a LIE.
---Leslie on 7/15/09


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Kathr4453 - You are WRONG - Christians CAN be possessed by demons. Sin and Unforgiveness is the door that allows demons to enter. Christians still sin and are not forgiving last time I checked. Also, humans are made up of three parts (body, soul (mind, will, emotions), and spirit). When you get saved, your spirit is the one saved, your body and soul (mind, will, emotions) can still be taken over by demons. Your eye gate, ear gate, and mouth gate are also open doors to demons. Also involvement with the occult and false religion can bring demons. By saying that Christians can NOT be possessed by demons, you are listening to Satan's LIES.
---Leslie on 7/15/09


***And christians today have the power to perform greater miracles than Jesus.steveng***

steveng, how is that possible? Christians today have greater POWER then Jesus does????who by the way Jesus is God!

Are you saying Christians are greater than Jesus? Greater than God?

All power comes from God...period.

Christians do not have any power at all. They have God's power working through them. And certainly do not have the power to command God. God is not at OUR beckon call.

If christians can perform greater miracles...then please, lets all go the the hospitals and heal all sicknesses and cancer immediately!!!

Not ever Benny Hinn can do that!!!!Although he has raised the dead..so he says....
---kathr4453 on 7/15/09


I believe when one comes to Jesus Christ in Faith and is saved, no demon can abide and possess a Christian.

If casting demons out of an unsaved person...beware....more demons can come in and the end is worse than the beginning.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/09


Mary: "Hi Leslie, would you like to sit in on my NAMI group... and explain to those suffering from schizophrenia that they're just bitter, demon-plagued people? I didn't think so lol but God bless you :)"

How do you know Lesie won't? Why not you, Mary? Jesus did it. And christians today have the power to perform greater miracles than Jesus. Are you afraid to confront the demons in your group? Why? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid it will make you look foolish? Are you afraid that you will fail? Are you afraid your faith is not strong enough to cast out demons?
---Steveng on 7/14/09


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Hi Leslie, well I do believe demons are real (unfortunately for us) but I also believe in real and valid mental illnesses.
---Mary on 7/14/09


Leslie and Mary -- May I come too? This I gotta see!
---Donna66 on 7/14/09


Mary - I will take you up on that offer, and you will see I am speaking TRUTH, when people's demons start to manafest. I encourage you to get the book by Derek Prince called "They Shall Expel Demons". He has done extensive research on the subject, and used the Bible to do so, and also seen many of such cases. This is very real, I can assure you. Most people don't believe it only because they only believe in what they can see (visable) and NOT in what they cannot see (invisable). The invisable is VERY REAL, even more real than the visable.
---Leslie on 7/14/09


Hi Leslie, would you like to sit in on my NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) group some Wednesday evening and explain to those suffering from schizophrenia that they're just bitter, demon-plagued people? I didn't think so lol but God bless you :)
---Mary on 7/13/09


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Anon--

SOME conditions are demonic. But not all.

SOME drugs do cure an illness.
A baby with meningitis is given an anti-biotic which CURES the disease by killing or stopping the replication of BACTERIA (not demons).

Actually, Jesus did NOT cast a demon out of the woman with an issue of blood. Her healing occured when she touched the hem of His garment. He said to her "thy faith has made the whole"
From there He went directly to the house of
Jairus, whose daughter was dying. Jesus said. "Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole." (luk 8:50). She was... without any spirit being cast out.

The man born blind (and other blind) had no spirits cast out.
---Donna66 on 7/12/09


Yes, all diseases are denomic - directly or indirectly. Diseases, sickness, and death were/are caused by sin. And who is the father of sin - Satan.

Now the question is: Do you have enough faith in God to heal yourself or do you depend upon the miracles of man? Is your faith weak that you need the church to lay hands on you? Any, and that means any, disease can be healed by God, but not all diseases can be healed by man. It is written that christians have the power to perform greater miracles than Jesus. So if the world consistes of tens of millions of born-again christians, why do we not see miracles happening every day? Most christians today are weak, there are only a handful in the world that God truly works through.
---Steveng on 7/10/09


there is no simple yes or no here. even with any disease.
diseases and disorders have 3 possible origins.
original sin (sin and death came in this world. (what we would call today a natural cause)
personal sin (the consequense of personal actions).
demons (could also be linked with number 2. thats why the gift of discernement is importan with ministry).
---andy3996 on 7/10/09


NO! It is a problem dealing with dysfunctions in our body. Nothing spiritual. God can heal even if it's through doctors.
---Candice on 7/9/09


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Bruce, you asked: If the illness is demonic in nature, why do drugs give relief?

That's just what a drug does, it ONLY gives some type of relief. It doesn't heal, it doesn't deliver, so the demon stays. It gets suppressed for as long as the drug is in the person's system, as soon as the drug wears off, that demon of infirmity will manifest again.

Didn't Jesus say to the woman with the issue of blood that she had a spirit? Didn't Jesus cast out demons out of the paralyzed? the blind? ADHD, Bi-polar, all of those diseases are caused by demons.

Drugs give relief, they don't heal.
---anon on 7/9/09


They certainly can be caused by demonic oppression or possession.
---Betty on 7/9/09


Certain diseases can be caused by demons of infirmaties. Cancer and schizophrenia are two of them. The way that people open the doors to demons bringing diseases is through SIN, BITTERNESS, and UNFORGIVENESS. The cure: CONFESS and REPENT of ALL sins, FORGIVE ALL people-yourself and God included. This will close the doors and break the hold of the enemy, and then God can heal and deliver you. If you don't do these things, God can NOT and will NOT heal and deliver you.
---Leslie on 7/9/09


To relegate demon oppression as a cause is jumping to conclusions. Are they a factor, I would say yes.
---Pharisee on 7/8/09


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If they are, then the demons must not like the drugs that are used to treat these conditions. While it is true that not everyone can be helped with drug therapy, there is no question that many have been given back their lives by the use of the appropriate drug therapy.

Those who will insist that they are demonic in nature, must be prepared to answer this question: If the illness is demonic in nature, why do drugs give relief?
---Bruce5656 on 7/8/09


No. They are caused by brain illnesses as well as psychological trauma.
---Mary on 7/8/09


Look for a natural, medically treatable cause first.
---Cluny on 7/8/09


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