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Warwick, I know you believe in the Sabbath, don't know if you are an SDA or not, but also know that you have been very kind in answering to others no matter the topic and that I haven't seen anywhere, where you have thrown in the Sabbath on purpose on other topics, only the one you answer on the Sabbath topics. You are very respectful and always stay within the topic. I don't see a hidden agenda from you at all. Some do have an agenda, and we can see it very clear when they answer. That is why I love to hear what you have to say even though you and I don't agree with many topics I find your discussions honest and sincere.
---MarkV. on 8/10/09


Warwick, Are you willfully blind?
Gen1.5 is the "key"
He called the darkness "night" (not evening,for a reason)
The light He called "day" (not morning for the same reason).
"The evening and morning a 1st day" had nothing to do with literal daylight and darkness, but a sequence of creation!(from evening to morning)
I believe all 6 days were the same length,demonstrated by God having Israel work 6,rest 7th (a miniature demonstration of creation days).Are you really "spiritual minded"!
---1st_cliff on 8/10/09


Holman Bible Dictionary p.397. Day of the Lord rests on the Hebrew term, yom, 'day', the 5th most frequent noun used in the OT and one used with a variety of meanings: time of daylight from sunrise to sunset (Gen.1:14, 3:8, 8:22, Amos 5:8, 24 hour period (Gen.1:5), a general expression for 'time' without specific limits (Gen. 2:4,Ps. 102:3, Isa.7:17),the period of a specific event (Jer. 32:31, Ezek. 1:28).

The 'Day of the Lord'then does not give a precise time period,it may mean daylight hours, the 24 hour day, or a general period, perhaps characterized by a special event. Zech. 14:7 even points to a time when all time is daylight, night with its darkness having vanished.

End of quote from Holman Bible Dictionary.

---Lee1538 on 8/10/09


One day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? {(No)} Behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields, for they are white already to harvest.

I ask, myself why would the lord need 6-24 hour days, and one 24 hour day. Then, I ask myself, is this, what he wants me to take from this?

I always believe there more!
I know 6*24= 144! This number, Ive seen it before? I see it, like a clock ticking.
I know there are 24 in a day! This number too. The things, I believe.
Dont worry, I'll keep asking, why do you believe this?
---TheSeg on 8/10/09


Lee it is obvious Scripture does not tell you the length of the creation days. It tells you little.

And even what others write evades you.

Once before you falsely claimed I agreed with Exodus 20:8-11 only because I observed the 7th day Sabbath.

I pointed out 2 things to you:

The facts are that God informed the Israelites they were to work for 6 days and rest the 7th. My beliefs surely did not influence God, or the truth!

Secondly I advised I am a member of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, a conservative denomination, and one which does not observe the Saturday Sabbath.

Your compromise, and liberal ideas cause you problems with Scripture, logic, language, and truth.
---Warwick on 8/10/09




Lee, you claim to be a Christian but exhibit a cavalier attitude, and disrespect towards the word of God.

Your words of piety and faith, judged in this light, are meaningless. I count it a pleasure to be lied about, and mocked by the likes of you.

As the saying goes, If you were arrested for being a Christian would there be enough evidence to convict you?

As you reject God's word, preferring the opinions of men, I don't think there would be enough evidence.
---Warwick on 8/10/09


1stCliff, you are correct, my mind is closed, closed to antiBiblical nonsense.

The Holman Bible Dictionary actually says a 24hr day is defined by Genesis 1:5. P.397, as I have always said. 'God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day.'

This formula is repeated for the following 5 days therefore unless God is wrong and language has no meaning each of the 6 days of creation is 24hrs.

This is further confirmed by Exodus 20:8-11 where God says He created in 6-days, rested the 7th, as per Genesis ch. 1. Further that His people are to work 6-days and rest the 7th. But you say the days are of different length! Nonsense.
---Warwick on 8/10/09


1stCliff - totally agree with you on the FACT that Genesis does not tell us the duration of the first 3 days of Creation.

That is the point that Warwick ( & some others) will not address since it has something to do with their Sabbaterians belief - namely that only those who obey the 10 commandments will be the only ones saved eternally.

Fellowship with Jesus and exhibiting the fruits of His Spirit to them is not sufficient for the Christian walk. Their love affair is not with Jesus but with Old Testament law and they use that as a measure of our spiritually - foolishness!

It is unfortunate that some believe their religion will save them failing to realize that it is Jesus that is the sovereign Savior.
---Lee1538 on 8/9/09


Warwick, I know I'll never convince you since your mind is already closed, but..
Light-He called "day" (not morning).
Darkness-He called "night" (not evening).
Where I live 8o'clock in the "evening" the sun is still shining.
3o'clock in the "morning" it's pitch dark!
You don't "get" God's terminology of evening and morning!
Holman's dictionary-Day Chronological period varying lengths, time of daylight from sunrise to sunset..etc.
---1st_cliff on 8/9/09


1stCliff in Genesis 1 God says his 6 creation days are defined by 'evening and morning.' In vs 3-5 In Hebrew, God created light then 'there was evening and there was morning-one day.' Therefore evening and morning equal 'one day.'

This same formula exists for the rest of creation days-'and there was evening and there was morning a second day,..a fifth day, the sixth day.'

Then, in Exodus 20:8-11, having defined what 'one day' is, He explains He created in 6 of these 'days', rested the 7th 'day' so His people would work for 6 days, resting the 7th.

Without any Scriptural support you say we don't know how long the days of creation are!!

You demonstrate the disastrous effect of compromise with worldly thinking.
---Warwick on 8/7/09




1stcliff two simple questions for you.

If the 6 creation days are not to be taken as each being approximately the same length as every day of human existence why does God define each 'day' as being composed of evening (night) and morning (daylight)?

If God simply meant to tell us that He created in 6 periods of unknown length, why not say so?.

Opposite to your baseless claim, every day we live is composed of evening and morning, nighttime and daytime. But you say we can't know how long an 'evening and morning' day is! Ludicrous.

You are not challenging me but Gods word. Who am I?

The reason you challenge Scripture is that it contradicts your man-centred views of origins.
---Warwick on 8/7/09


Hi guys and god bless you!
I am not saying yes or no! But, this I see!
Gen 2:4 -- in the (day) that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field (before) it was in the earth, --

Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

For, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Joh 19:30 -- It is finished! --
---TheSeg on 8/6/09


Warwick, The reason I challenge your interpretation is your absolute insistence that the creation day was 24 hrs. (NO other reason) This in itself is neither reasonable nor logical!
Gen.1 and 2 do not state a 24hr.day This is strictly "your" interpretation! (and an attitude ,my way or no way)
That a creation day was longer no way takes away any of the majestic ability of God to bring into existance the world as we see it! He had no "time-bind"!
Gen.1.states 6 periods of time referred to as "days" does not make it our conception of a "day"
---1st_cliff on 8/6/09


Boo! Dont be scared! But, try to understand, and dont think.
Are you not sinning in front of them, everyday anyway? Go ahead, say no, and lie. Or, tell me the truth and say, yes! Now save yourself and tell me, yes! But, not willfully!
Yes, I killed them, but I didnt mean too! Well brother?
Now, please stop this! Speak truth! Make striate the ways of the lord.

What do I want from you? Nothing!
But, if you understand, who your father is, and dont tell your brother, the good new!
Or in some way close the door on your brother hand, or cause him to fall!
Should your sins, be they many, be forgiven you?
(Your words go here, thanks!)

God bless, ...
---TheSeg on 8/6/09


1stCliff I take Scripture at 'face-value' unless there is reason to do otherwise.

Some believe the days of creation were other than 24hrs, but not for Biblical reasons.

You won't accept the plain meaning of Genesis so I suspect you hold nonBiblical views which cause you to reinterpret away from the plain meaning.

14:7 reads 'open field,' (Hebrew 'paneh sadeh.') The Hebrew dictionary does define 'sadeh' as 'field, open country, countryside.' However 'paneh' does not mean 'open', it means 'face, before, in front of etc.' So-in front of the open field-seems to make better sense! A Hebrew scholar could assist!

Nonetheless it does not in anyway change the fact that 'sadeh' means open country, not forest.
---Warwick on 8/6/09


NO Warwick I do not hold the belief of man's idea of how we originated, I think you're splitting hairs to make it fit your theology. "Christians" also believe in a longer than 24 hour creation day!
KJV says "south field", not only that many scriptures differentiate by saying "open field" when you say "field" means open? for example Lev.14.7.
There's no reason why Adam wouldn't name "all" the animals ,he surely had the time! (but not in your narrow envelope)
---1st_cliff on 8/5/09


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Not that I am saying what is or is not right in God's eye because I have truly little guidance but what is in the Bible.

I never contended that forgiveness isn't given by God. But sin is a terrible fact of existence.

If you do crack in front of your children will they not follow you into a life of sin?

If you cheat on your spouse and get caught and the children find out, will they not follow you into a life of sin?

Leading the little ones to Him belong into a life of sin by your example will not only torture you in this life, but may be a problem for you on your day of judgement.
---stephen on 8/5/09


1stCliff, you write 'You deliberately changed it to south"land"...' Not true, that is what the translation I consulted, calls it.

It seems Scripture describes a forest contained within 'sadeh' i.e. 'open country' to the south! So there is a forest in open country somewhere!!!

What is your point?

My point is that Adam was not required to name millions of species as you claim, a fraction of that, only the 'kinds' as covered in Genesis 2:20 'livestock, birds of the air, and the beasts of the field.' Note 'field' i.e. open country the opposite of forest.

You obviously hold to man-made views of our origins, so feel the need to ridicule God's word.
---Warwick on 8/5/09


What I see, my lord said all sins will be forgiven. So, this is a done deal. You will be forgiven! Now, you must stop sinning. Right! For he said sin no more! Yet, everyone of us, still sin! Well, if you see the truth in it. It is also said, if you are guilty in the least, you are guilty of all. All! All the sins there are! Wow! And rightly so!

And yet, you tell other you must stop sinning. You want to find sin, look no further then this! How can this be? He said, let he who is without sin casted the first stone. You dont see yourself as throwing a stone, do you? No, I am only helping, you understand!
---TheSeg on 8/5/09


Warwick, You deliberately changed it to south"land" when it is clearly south "FIELD" *sadeh* KJV and Strong's Concordance! like i said "slippery"
---1st_cliff on 8/3/09


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1stCliff, I have quoted Scripture showing the limited number of creatures Adam had to name-cattle, birds and beasts of the field- open country. Forest creatures are not included, end of story!

God said Adam did it, and God always tells the truth. You don't agree!

You said it was millions of creatures and I have shown it is a fraction of that.

Ezekiel 20:46 concerns the forest of the 'southland'. A forest by definition is the opposite of 'open country!'

You grasp at brittle straws!
---Warwick on 8/2/09


Here a winner, addicted to tobacco products or alcohol!
Are these sins?

My lord say there is nothing outside of a man. Was he just wrong, did he make a mistake?
Here you found two things!

This is why, I see the way I do. You shut up the kingdom of God before man.
Im sorry, I dont want to come off, as a know it all. And I am sure, a lot of you. Will say, no problem there!

But very few of you, ever take the time. To see what is said. You stand on the law!
And by that law, you are doing the unthinkable. Who is with out sin?
Do you really believe, you are not, doing it over and over?
---TheSeg on 8/1/09


//Does God forgive us when we willfully sin?

Yes, if we repent and at least attempt to conform to what God would have us to do.

However, there are some of us that will wrestle with our sins for years before achieving the victory.

Such is often the case with those addicted to tobacco products or alcohol. The Lord knows our struggle and can be patience with us.
---Lee1538 on 8/1/09


Stephen
Not because I say it, because I believe it!

Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
-Not one!

What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
-Will your father, not find you?

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes, that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Why, I believe!
Have I, not looked at myself?
Am I so, righteous?
---TheSeg on 8/1/09


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THANK YOU STEPHEN!!!! It is just nice to see common sense answers on here now and then.

If we know in our heart we are out and out sinning...we are trampling on the precious blood of Christ. We will be repaid with His judgment unless we sincerely repent and turn from evil ways. It is wonderful to know that God is longsuffering, patient, and will forgive the truly repentant.

God knows every hidden secret of the heart, and each motivation. When we walk in the Spirit, we will be motivated toward pure motives and a pure conscience we will have.
---Anne on 8/1/09


While we were yet sinners HE died(forgave) us. We were reconciled before God through Christ long ago. Now we must believe.
---duane on 8/1/09


Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Luk 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

Joh 21:17 third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Feed my sheep.

With the love he had from the beginning!
---TheSeg on 7/31/09


Samuel if you redefine natural selection/variation within a kind, as evolution then evolution, as you misdefine it, has occurred.

However natural selection is a conservative not creative process. It allows creatures to adapt to changing conditions but only within the limits of their genetic variability. The population actually loses genetic information.

One kind evolving into another e.g. reptile to bird, is not shuffling or selection of a populations genetic information. For this to happen it would reguire massive amounts of totally new and unique genetic information. Do a little study on the radical difference between reptile and bird physiology and you will see what I mean.
---Warwick on 8/1/09


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If a person is truly a Christian, born again, indwelt by the Holy Spirit....they will not be able to sin knowingly (whether once or repeatedly) without being miserable!. When they give up and sincerely repent, determined to abandon that sin, God will forgive

Often a person in need and confusion, doesn't see his sin as clearly as others do. It may take the Holy Spirit a while to get through to him. God is long-suffering (we most often are not).

I think that if there was a limit to God's forgiveness, any of us could have pushed Him beyond that point by now!
---Donna66 on 7/31/09


Does God forgive you when you daily keep committing the same sin over with no effort of repentance?

Does God forgive you for daily living an adulterous lifestyle?

Does God forgive you for daily serving wealth and not God?

Does God forgive you for daily lying to others

Does God forgive you for daily stealing stuff from others?

There has to be a limit for God's forgiveness.

"LEAVE YOUR LIFE OF SIN."

That's what Jesus told the adulterous.
---stephen on 7/31/09


Does God forgive us when we willfully sin? Yes!
There is no sin God will not forgive!
There is no sin my lord will not defend!
The Holy Spirit, you think about it long and hard!
Some are willfully sinning, all the time. And dont know it!

So, how can you repent, if you are blind? The ones that dip their hands in the dish, with him, have they repented? Do you think they understand him? Do you think they know? forgive!

If you close the door, you dont have the key!

Adam gave names to everything!
Gen 2:19 -- whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

I believe, if you understand the beginning, this is not hard!
Trust in him!
---TheSeg on 7/31/09


Warwick - you certainly got the first part correct in that you say "you are right. I do have a closed mind" in that you refuse to accept the possibility that others may be correct whereas you refuse to acknowledge you could be wrong.

The problem is not with the word of God, but with your interpretation of it. Those of us that are teachable will be the ones that will triumph over those that truly have closed minds that cannot learn.
---Lee1538 on 7/31/09


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maryanne~ If someone willfully, knowingly, sins they are making a mockery of the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Heb. 10:26+ explains the consequences that occurs to those who still deliberately continue in unrighteousness. God will not be mocked, and knows all the intents and secrets of our heart.

When God makes us born-again He makes us into new creatures, with an entirely different purpose, nature, desire, and mission than our old nature of sin and self. Before we fed to the flesh, but now we are led by the Spirit. Please read Gal. 5:16-26 for more scripture on this topic. God bless.
---Anne on 7/31/09


Evolutional development within groups is a proved Scientific fact. Look at the different varties of dogs.

Evolution postulates that by accident single cell life happened and then changed in a family tree to all current life on earth. So humans are related to all backboned animals.

Where the bible says GOD created kinds. This is not compatible with evolution. It is like the difference between hundreds of bushes or one single tree.
---Samuel on 7/31/09


God does forgive us when we sin. I am talking about genuine believers. For we have an Advocate In Jesus Christ our Savior to speak on our behalf.
The lost need to be born of the Spirit in order for God to forgive them. Otherwise they remain in the same condition, spiritually dead to the things of God and remain under the Old Covenant for breaking the law they could not keep.
When they are saved by Grace through faith in Christ Jesus, they will then be under the New Covenant of Grace, reconciled to God, by the blood of the Lamb which was spilled by Jesus who kept the law to perfection.
---MarkV. on 7/31/09


Warwick, You're a slippery one alright.

*Just a few trees in a field*???
Ez.20.46 "...prophecy against the FOREST of the south FIELD (sadeh) .Say to the southern FOREST ..I am about to set fire to you..and consume all your trees... " etc.
Suffice to say that 'sadeh' includes forested areas! (scripture!)
Do you suppose there are no creatures in this "forested field?" If there are I'm sure they have names,wouldn't you say?
---1st_cliff on 7/30/09


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Lee you are right. I do have a closed mind! Closed to the ever changing, idle speculations of compromisers and liberals, but fully open to receive what God has written. And the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

My faith is not polluted by the opinion of falible sinful men.

Give me God any day, because 'The foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom...' 1 Co. 1:25
---Warwick on 7/30/09


1stCliff the Hebrew word 'sadeh' means 'field, open country, countryside.'

A little look will show you fields, open country, countryside usually do have trees.

A similar peek at a forest will show the forest has trees, lots and lots of trees. In fact it is the multitude of trees which make a forest a forest! No one would call forest- 'open country.'

No wiggling needed! Just stick to Scripture and the meaning of words!
---Warwick on 7/30/09


warwick- *It never fails to amaze me how supposed Christians are so opposed to Gods' word.

My thought exactly! You should try reading it with an open mind for a change.
---Lee1538 on 7/30/09


Lee, 'the fact that whale and dolphin, horse and zebra can interbreed shows they e.g. are both descended from the original created kind.'

Likewise all the so called human 'races' can interbreed which also shows they are the one species, and the one kind, descended from God's one original human 'kind.'

Now Lee there is variation within the 'kinds', (a product of natural selection etc) but this is not evolution as they are each of their own 'kind', and reproduce after their own 'kind'.

So when your dog gives birth to a different 'kind' let me know. Until then your story holds no water.

It never fails to amaze me how supposed Christians are so opposed to Gods' word.
---Warwick on 7/30/09


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Warwick, Beasts of the "field"(sadeh as you said) includes forest animals- Gen23.17 the same word is used here that says "..all the TREES within the borders of the field (sadeh) was deeded to Abraham" Pure scripture!
Beasts of the field was just another way God described "land animals"
Wiggle out of this huh!
---1st_cliff on 7/30/09


Warwick *the fact that lion and tiger, whale and dolphin, horse and zebra can interbreed shows they e.g. are both descended from the original created kind.

So you believe that there can be evolutional development within the species itself?

If so, then why could there not be among the human species as well?

Keeping truckin' Warwick, you are getting closer and closer to the truth as revealed by scientific discovery.
---lee1538 on 7/30/09


1stCliff, I stick to what Scripture says and the meaning of the underlying words, in this case Hebrew!

As regards 'beasts of the field' I wrote 'The Hebrew for field 'sadeh' describes a habitat-flat open plain. Probably animals which live today in open country and venture close to human habitation' giving the Biblical definition. The definition excludes forest animals.

Do you see the difference between what I wrote and your version? I gave the Biblical dictionary meaning of 'beasts of the field' but you call it my opinion. Imagination!

If as you confidently state, the earth was a jungle then, why does God write 'beasts of the field?'
---Warwick on 7/30/09


Warwick, I see your pattern,what you lack in knowledge ,you make up from imagination. IE That Adam didn't name "Forrest" creatures". 'scuse me but Eden was forested!
To you "beasts of the field" live in wide open spaces with no trees. Maybe to the modern American farmer this is so,but we're talking 6,000 yrs. ago when the earth was more like a jungle!
The "entrance" to Eden was blocked with a flaming sword. An open field does not have an "entrance" More study??? hmmm.
---1st_cliff on 7/29/09


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Lee the fact that lion and tiger, whale and dolphin, horse and zebra can interbreed shows they e.g. are both descended from the original created kind. The point being Adam only had to name the original 'kinds' not all the varieties which exist today.

As a Christian you should know man was created as man, not descended from any other creature. Therefore we can interbreed with all the socalled 'races' of man showing we all have the same ancestors-Adam and Eve.

BTW the genetic difference between ape kind and human kind is massive. But none the less there are similarities between many creatures and man as we have the same designer.

I ask again 'What kinds do I 'relegate to "species"'?

---Warwick on 7/29/09


*Interestingly dolphin and whale can interbreed, also zebra and horse, showing both pairs came from two original kinds.

What about gorillas, apes and human beings? There seems to be some evidence that this has happened. I understand that there is only one chromosone difference?

Perhaps we should experiment further.
---Lee1538 on 7/29/09


1stCliff I follow Scripture, and the meaning of the words.

What kinds do I 'relegate to "species"'?

To help you understand: consider the dog 'kind' which today has great variety via natural selection and selective breeding. Nonetheless the varieties can interbreed so are both one kind, and one species.

A small genetic loss/change could take away a variety's ability to interbreed. This creature would be a new species, but not a new kind.

Adam did not have to name wolf, dobermann, pekinese etc, as they did not then exist. He had to name -dog!

Interestingly dolphin and whale can interbreed, also zebra and horse, showing both pairs came from two original kinds.

More study 1stCliff.
---Warwick on 7/28/09


Warwick, You try hard to "fix" things to fit your theology, like the thousands of "kinds" that you relegate to "species" just to make it fit! because two animals seem similar doesn't mean they are the same species!
Animals seldom breed outside their species but when they do like a (horse and donkey) they produce a mule which is sterile-end of species!
4500 yrs. (Noah to now) not enough time to produce the millions of "accidental" hybrid species that are not sterile!
You're wrong again!
---1st_cliff on 7/27/09


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What animals were named?


1) Cattle, Hebrew: behemah-generally domesticable animals. Most breeds of cattle descended from a single basic type-Aurochs.

2)Birds of the air

Today a multitude of bird species exist, however no one knows whether they descended from one original kind or more, but certainly only a relatively small number.

3) The beasts of the field

The Hebrew for field 'sadeh' describes a habitat-flat open plain. Probably animals which live today in open country and venture close to human habitation. No mention of forest animals.

Therefore the number of animal 'kinds' to be named was relatively small. Well within the abilities of a man with a perfect mind, and no mortgage to worry about!
---Warwick on 7/25/09


Warwick, I'm surprised you bring this up (nephesh) You're correct that it mean "a living sentient creature" It is translated over 800 times as "soul" (oddly despite the fundamentalist belief in an immortal soul) it is never said to be immortal, deathless or never dieing!
#5313 in Strong's concordance also translated "living creature"(#1513) meaning animals are also "souls"
Man "IS" a soul, he doesn't "have" one! (except in the sense that you have a life)
There's hope for you yet Wawick!
---1st_cliff on 7/22/09


1stCliff, you say serpents don't have backbones? Not a fib, just wrong!

In Genesis God uses 'nepesh' (first use Gen. 1:24) to describe sentient 'living' creatures. No molluscs, blattidae, brachiopods, annelids, arachnids, or rotifers among them. Research this and you will understand your error. Insects, plants etc are alive, but not in this sense.

Land dwelling creatures -livestock (domesticable creatures) birds of the air, and the beasts of the field are creatures having 'nepesh.'

Adam did not have to name sea creatures, nor insects etc.

Adam named the 'kinds', maybe dog, bird, reptile, cattle etc, not the great variety of dogs for example which have come from the original kind, as they did not yet exist.
---Warwick on 7/21/09


Warwick, Sorry to say but it looks like "you" are the fibber as Gen2.19" "ALL the beasts of the field and All the birds of the air EACH LIVING CREATURE, You don't know whether they called invertebrates "beasts" or not, you're just trying to "Make it fit" your time line in a sneaky fashion! Scripture does not spell out vertebrates or invertebrates, they are all God's created creatures!
Adam obviously recognized the serpent and it has no backbone! Gen.3.12 Eve said "the serpent" (she could only know it's name that ADAM GAVE IT) Fibber???
---1st_cliff on 7/20/09


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genesis 1-20-23 says God made everything in the waters.
---tom2 on 7/19/09


1st_cliff
You do understand that birds are considered vertebrates, don't you?
Please name something that Adam named that was cattle, beast of the field, or bird that was not a vertebrate.
---MIchael on 7/19/09


Genesis 2, 20 'So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air, and all the beasts of the field.'

As I said Adam named a small subset of all the creatures created By Jesus, everyone a vertebrate. No molluscs, blattidae, brachiopods, annelids, arachnids, or rotifers among them.

No fish, no water living life at all!

You are a fibber 1stCliff. But what else is new?

BTW I definitely don't have all the answers, the Bible does.
---Warwick on 7/19/09


1stCliff, Elohim is plural, that is why Elohim says 'let us make man in our image.'

If it was just some royal 'we.. us' then why does God Almighty say I am, not we are?

To connect Genesis 1 to the Queen of England saying 'we are not amused' isn't founded in reality. Queen is not plural but Elohim is.
---Warwick on 7/19/09


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1st Cliff:

Here is what I know.

In Genesis 1:1, "God" is the Hebrew word 'Elohiym which is the plural form of the root word 'Elowahh.

'Elohiym is plural intensive, meaning the word has a plural ending but the verbs and adjectives accompaning it are singular. 'Elohiym is numerically plural with singular verbs and adjectives.

Jewish scholars use a term called majestic plural to describe this. Majestic plural means that there is not more than one noun but that the noun is "great" "majestic" or "absolute". So they would say that 'Elohiym means "Great God".

However, we know that they do not believe Jesus is the Messiah and that the Holy Ghost has been given.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/18/09


There is no other "Name" under heavan by which anyone can be saved in receiving forgiveness for tresspassing Elohim's Instructions but the Name of (YAHUSHUA,YEHSHUA, ISEOUS,JESUS) Acts 14:12
Elohim's only Divine SON made flesh. John 1:1 He came in the Name OF YHWH or YAH.


We should grow in sanctification from tresspass to walking in the truth empowered by the Sprit of truth.

Keep growing in the Holy Spirit. Don't give up.
---Yochanan on 7/17/09


Mark E, Warwick says "cliff thinks he has all the answers" actually Warwick does,albeit most of them are wrong!
Like he says Adam only named the vertebrae creature when the bible says no such thing!
It actually says (Gen.2) that God brought "ALL" the creatures for him to name including birds! Read it for yourself and tell me who is the "wolf" (more like serpent)
He has to add these comments to make it fit his *timeline* theology!
---1st_cliff on 7/17/09


but the God does not have a name in the same sense that human beings have names.
--Janze


Elohim DOES have a name. We are created in his image, if gave us names, wouldn't it be fitting that He has a name.

Ex 3:15
God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'YHWH the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.

Jer 23:27
"who think to make my people forget my name by their dreams that they tell one another, even as their fathers forgot my name for Baal [Lord]?

(the literal meaning for 'baal' is 'lord')
---Meira on 7/17/09


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Mark Eaton, I don't know where you get your information from but the plural "Elohim" is used with the singular verb "created" making it subject to the verb ,thus translated as God (singular).
The Quran also uses the Plural but the Muslims in no way believe in plural Gods.
Because "us" is used when the noun Elohim is plural no way means more than one!
The Queen said "WE are not amused"
---1st_cliff on 7/16/09


I do not belive in an eternal burning hell were GOD tortures people either. But the Bible does teach the Trinity.
---Samuel on 7/16/09

Samuel, God cetainly does speak of the Lake of fire.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/09


1st Cliff:

Plural in the Hebrew means "three or more". If the word used for YHWH has the connotation of "three or more", why don't you believe that a trinity is possible? Seems to me that the OT knew right at the beginning about the trinity of YHWH.

I used the other verses to show you that the OT refers to the Holy Spirit as "His Holy Spirit". It is referred to as a separate entity but still connected with or part of YHWH.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/16/09


If we could repent(turn from) sin, we wouldnt need Christ. Show me any man who has turned from sin if you can.
We need Christ who takes sin away. This is how we turn from sin.
---duane on 7/16/09


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GOD is willing to forgive if we repent of any sin. The catch is are you wiling to repent.

I do not belive in an eternal burning hell were GOD tortures people either. But the Bible does teach the Trinity.
---Samuel on 7/16/09


Man may need a name to call the God, but the God does not have a name in the same sense that human beings have names.

The God is the One who created. The One who created all things from nothing is God. Therefore, without referring to the Hebrew or any other ancient langauge, the God is the Creator. The Creator is His name. What else could He or should He be called?
---Janze on 7/15/09


Mark Eaton, Allow me to "enlighten" you:
#1 He was obviously speaking to His Son (who was with Him from the beginning)
#2 Elohim is plural but never translated as "Gods" You tell me why! (if not plural in number then plural in Majesty)
#3 They (God and Jesus) don't create things in a workshop with their hands, they have Holy Spirit,which is the awesome power used to do all their bidding!
Even "personalised by calling it "he" it is not a person or a third part of a triune God!
---1st_cliff on 7/15/09


Mark E don't be bothered by 1stCliff, experience shows he does not have all the answers, he just thinks he does.

I am also happy to be called a fundamentalist because that is the positive name originally given to those who trust God and hold to the truth of Scripture.

When you think of Cliff think of wolves in the fold.
---Warwick on 7/15/09


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1st Cliff:

I consider myself a fundamentalist and I am insulted by your smug self-righteousness. You seem to have all the answers. Please enlighten me:

If YHWH is your God, why does your Torah tell us "let us make man in our image"? Who is YHWH conferring with?

Why does the Torah conjugate the Hebrew word for God in the book of Genesis as PLURAL? Not singular, or dual, but plural.

When David cries to YHWH to not remove His Holy Spirit, what is David talking about?

Isaiah talked about YHWH putting His Holy Spirit in the midst of Israel. What was Isaiah talking about?
---Mark_Eaton on 7/15/09


Willow, God to me is the one who calls Himself YHVH at Ex.6.3.
---1st_cliff on 7/14/09


1st cliff

who is GOD to you?
---willow on 7/13/09


the only sin which God wont forgive is blaspheming the holy spirit.
---tom2 on 7/13/09


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Willow, I refer to those Pseudo-Christians as fundamentalists,for want of a better name,that believe..
#1 That God tortures humans with fire only to watch them scream!
#2That when you die you don't really die, just go someplace else!
#3 That God has 3 personalities,or 3 heads!
Donna 66, HS !
---1st_cliff on 7/13/09


1st Cliff---

"fundamentalists have 3 gods"? I assume you are speaking of the Trinty. Which one doesn't forgive?
---Donna66 on 7/12/09


HI 1st cliff .

What is a fundementalist?
---willow on 7/12/09


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