Americans God's Chosen People
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Betty the modern word "Jew" is simply a modern shortened form of the word Judah. If you read Ezk. 37 and Jer 31, it can't be any clearer that the House of "Judah" (Southern Kingdom) and the House of Israel (Northern Kingdom) will be joined NEVER to be divided again.....
Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 7/27/09
Now Ken.... you are going to use a prophet??That is against the rules here.
Betty won't mind looking I'm sure...but you sure are going to cause trouble with a few "Wise Science Men", their friends of renown will just not support you or Ezk.
Oreo's and milk is way to get your point across....but, you're past all that i c. |
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---Trav on 7/29/09 |
markv- He said hate and He knew better than you how to say it differently if He meant it differently. God is going to put those he hates into hell. |
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---Betty on 7/29/09 |
Betty, what you believe is hate is really not hate. When God displays His displeasure on anyone is to indicate His right of justice. Mercy would have no value at all, or even exist if Justice was not there. For mercy comes instead of justice for those who come to Christ.
God is Spirit and as Spirit He cannot hate for His nature is love. But to demonstrate to humans from a human perspective He uses words that man can understand His displeasure to those who reject Him. The harder the words He displays the more power they carry to bring others to Christ by showing them what will happen to them for rejecting Him and their rebellion against Him. |
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---MarkV. on 7/29/09 |
ken- I was already aware of the origin of the term "Jew". Rev. 2:9 Jesus said, "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan." Does that mean Jesus hated somebody? Deuteronomy 32:41 God said, "...I will render vengeance to mine enemies, & will reward them that hate Me." |
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---Betty on 7/28/09 |
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donna- Jews reject Jesus Christ as Lord. They look for a different messiah. Therefore God hates them & will continue to do so unless they repent. Everybody who God hates will go to hell. That's what He made it for. |
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---Betty on 7/28/09 |
Israel is the only nation "chosen" by God. Americans have been blessed by Him and used by Him. But that's not "chosen". Like any nation we have sinned. Still I'm proud of the good that America has achieved... as anybody should be proud of their own country!
The Bible gives no indication of any other nation having the same everlasting covenant with God that Israel has. Though they often deserted God, He always took them back. There are prophecies yet to be fulfilled re: the nation of Israel.
Gen 17:8 "I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojourning, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God". |
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---Donna66 on 7/27/09 |
Chosen people does not have to merely mean the people of Israel. Chosen people are those God uses to get out His message of salvation. If the Chosen people fail, He takes them off the Branch, and replaces them with those who will be faithful to God's calling. |
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---Anne on 7/27/09 |
Sophia~ Very nicely said. |
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---Anne on 7/27/09 |
Thanks Anon, well said.
North America is neither the first or is the home to the most Christians - that continent is Africa.
The bible was not written on this continent and Jesus will not come back to this continent to rule for a thousand years.
I am most thankful for this country but God does not love us anymore than he loves the Chinamen.
Further you are correct that the west is insignificant in end time events. |
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---larry on 7/27/09 |
Where are you people getting your opinions from? Certainly not the bible.
Israel was, and always will be, God's chosen people. We as Gentiles have been grafted into God's plan because the Jews rejected the Messiah.
America is not even in Bible Prophecy. America is not prophesied about in the bible.
We are such a modernized country that the pride of America turns God's stomach. We march the streets announcing we are PROUD to be Americans, proud to be gay, proud to be this or that, Hello? God opposes the proud and gives GRACE to the humble. |
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---anon on 7/27/09 |
In a sense we could have been God's chosen people for:
1. We are blessed with more Bible's than any place else.
2. We are blessed with the ability to read and write and comprehend scripture.
3. We are blessed with financial blessings often plus food, water, clothing etc.
The Bible tells us we'll be judged according to the blessing bestowed upon us. (Ex. are we using our education to help promote the Kingdom of God, or using it for worldly endeavors?)
Are we God's chosen people now as we see multitudes of churches with poisonous gospels, and perversions of every type abound, or are we the children of wrath? However, as history has shown God is ever merciful despite darkness and has a secret plan. |
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---Anne on 7/27/09 |
I believe that people can make any "land" God's land, if they choose to live righteously. I believe God loves all mankind, but if we want God to bless us and our land, that we need to live according to his laws. Its not that God will then take away all the trials and hardships of life, but that because we are living according to his plan for us, we will be better prepared to deal with what life has to offer and become more and more able to bless the lives of others with our own life and in turn, we may sometimes be likewise blessed by the righteousness, love and mercy of others. |
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---sophia on 7/27/09 |
Betty>> even Jewish ones who are too little to hate Him & blaspheme Him
>>The above line just blows me away. There is hate in Betty's words, not love, patience, nor kindness. We are to be peacemakers, not dividers.
Betty the modern word "Jew" is simply a modern shortened form of the word Judah. If you read Ezk. 37 and Jer 31, it can't be any clearer that the House of "Judah" (Southern Kingdom) and the House of Israel (Northern Kingdom) will be joined NEVER to be divided again.
Understanding scripture goes beyond just reading what the English says according to "modern terminology."
Peace.
Ken |
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---Ken_Rank on 7/27/09 |
MarkV--That's consistant with my view of love also. My argument is that since Jesus sacrificed himself for Jews, as well as for gentiles, he doesn't "HATE" Jews. |
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---Donna66 on 7/27/09 |
Donna, my opinion on what love means to God. What I see all through Scripture when love is mentioned it concerns self sacrifice. Not the love we think He should display that we know as love. He so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son. And when Jesus asked Peter three times, "do you love Me?" Peter's first and second answers was not the love God wanted from Peter. The third time, Peter answered correctly, and Jesus said to him to "feed His sheep." If Peter loved Christ, he would sacrifice himself by working for Christ teaching His children. 1 Cor. 13 the chapter of love is all about self-sacrifice. And when He said, "I needed food and you did not give me" they had not sacrificed anything for anyone. |
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---MarkV. on 7/27/09 |
nurserobert- No, I don't, whatever that's about. |
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---Betty on 7/26/09 |
Betty -- How is it that God "hates" the Jews or any who reject him, but He tels US in Matthew 5:44:
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,? |
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---Donna66 on 7/26/09 |
Nana, Donna, I've already tried. There are other issues concerning God's intercourse with Israel as the world's only theocracy and and his soveriegn will to chose this small nation that is 1/10th of 1 percent of the Middle East to save the world that some find hard to accept. They need to ask God to take them back to the point where they first became bitter against the Jew for healing.
I continue to enjoy your input as they will know we our christians by our love. We'll let God decide about who he hates for he did not give us permission to do so.
Take care. |
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---larry on 7/25/09 |
Whoa Betty, You are really off base.
Rom 5:6-8 Christ/God died for you while you were yet a sinner. For God so loved sinners He died for them. John 3:16. This is all Bible basics.
As for God hating Esau in Rom 9:13. The word hate is the Greek word "miseo." It means to have a preference over something or someone. It is a way to express aversion or disregard for one person over another.
God never emotionally/passionally hated anyone not even you or me.
Gods passion/emotion was not involved with Esau, only His sovereign choice. Even that rejection was caused by Esau himself. |
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---Elder on 7/24/09 |
Betty-- How then can any adult receive Jesus, since they are sinners and you maintain that God hates sinners?
As I remember, Jesus, when He was on earth, had compassion on sinners,(even Jewish sinners) saying He came for sinners not the righteous. The Pharisees, whom He excoriated so often, were those who who followed the OT laws to the letter...and probably had since childhood (since their parentage qualified them for their position.)
God's justice requires that sins be paid for.... But God commendeth his LOVE toward us, in that, WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, Christ died for us. Rom 5:8
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
This doesn't sound like "hatred" to me. |
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---Donna66 on 7/24/09 |
Betty, Exzucuh explained this very well on another blog. From Adam on down we have to classes of people. The Seed or children of Christ who are born of the Spirit and the children of wrath who are considered the children of Satan. Satan does not procreate them, they are born that way. This begin with the curse, "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed, He shall bruise your head And you shall bruise His heel". This first gospel is prophetic of the struggle and its outcome between "your seed" (Satan and unbelievers, who are called the Devil's children in John 8:44) and her Seed (Christ, a descendant of Eve, and those in Him, believers born of the Spirit). |
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---MarkV. on 7/24/09 |
donna- I received Christ as a very small child. Some of my earliest recollections are of Jesus Christ, and how I called on Him. He doesn't hate children, even Jewish ones who are too little to hate Him & blaspheme Him. |
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---Betty on 7/24/09 |
Betty, do you belong to the Westboro Baptist? |
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---NurseRobert on 7/24/09 |
nana- God said in the scriptures that He hated Esau. Can you believe that He can hate people? He said of Judas Iscariot that it would have been better for him if he had never been born. Did that mean He loved Judas? He said woe unto that man. Sinners don't count so much with God. See Luke 13:1-5. It was about Galilaeans whose blood had been mingled with their sacrifices by Pilate. Also about the tower in Siloam falling on some people & killing them. Jesus pointed out that those who were killed at those places were not sinners above all sinners, but "I tell you Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:5. |
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---Betty on 7/24/09 |
Betty-- Before you were a Christian....what drew you to the God that hated you!
How do you know he doesn't hate you still?
Is it that He tells you ONLY the things you want to hear? Does He give you everything you want? |
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---Donna66 on 7/23/09 |
Matthew 9:36-38: "But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few, Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest." A man who only has eyes to see just the hateful in his brothers and sisters does not have, nor believe in hope. He could not possibly be fit for this harvest. 1 John 3 begs the question, 'Who is my brother'? Is it just Johnny Do Good?
Betty, Matthew 5:43-48. |
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---Nana on 7/24/09 |
nana- Jesus cares for those who repent, not for those who don't, unless they do it before it is too late. |
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---Betty on 7/23/09 |
donna- If He had loved the Jews so much, He would not have taken the Kingdom from them. Telling them that they were of their father the Devil meant they had no part with Him & that they were accursed. Furthermore, that He hated them. Remember, Jesus Christ is going to tell some that think they are good Christians to depart from Him into everlasting hell-fire Matthew 25:41. Certainly He will put those who know they're not Christians into hell-fire. Not because He loves them, but because He hates them. |
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---Betty on 7/23/09 |
"If He loved them, why did He say they were of their father the devil "
Betty on 7/22/09
Betty, way too much time in the parking cars? Did Jesus not love Peter? Remember, "Get thee behind me, Satan?". Did he not love the apostles who followed him ever so close? He did tell them, Luke 17:9-10: "Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do."
Please read Luke 17:1-10. One is the Lord our Lord, we are servants, yet, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do". |
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---Nana on 7/23/09 |
Folks, enough with the name calling. Do you REALLY think that is a reflection of He that is in you?
Messiah stated, "I did not come BUT for the lost sheep of the House of Israel." We are either "part" of the lost sheep, or we are not. But one thing is clear.... blessed are the PEACEMAKERS... not blessed are those who divide my people over petty issues! We ALL, including myself, need to mature a little more spiritually and make room for those who don't agree with us on every little detail. When Messiah returns, I believe we ALL will smack ourselves in the head wondering how we were so far off on so many things. But that is ok, he is coming to restore what is broken!
Peace.
Ken |
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---KenRank on 7/22/09 |
Betty--
>>>If He loved them, why did He say they were of their father the devil - John 8:44?<<<
He said it because it was the truth!
Did you think He said it just to hurt their feelings? Love sometimes requires confronting people with the truth.
>>>Don't forget- Matt. 21:43 Jesus said,"The kingdom of God shall be taken from you & given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."<<<
Again, this is not evidence that He doesn't (or didn't) love them! I think He said this with great regret.
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---Donna66 on 7/22/09 |
susieb- Heretic yourself. Are you finding fault with me because I quoted what Jesus Christ said? Have you read: John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil...." 2Corinthians 6:15 "And what concord hath Christ with Belial...." John 15:22-23 Jesus said,"If I had not come & spoken unto them...but now they have no cloke for their sin. He that hateth Me hateth My Father also." John 15:25 "They hated Me without a cause." Deut. 32:41 "I will render vengeance to mine enemies & will reward them that hate Me." Matt. 21:43 Jesus said, "Therefore the kingdom of God shall be taken from you & given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Do you believe Jesus? |
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---Betty on 7/22/09 |
donna- Many times I said God accepts the Jews that repent. But He hates those blasphemous Jews that don't repent. Revelation 2:9 Jesus said, " I know... the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan." Jesus loved those Pharisees? "Woe unto you" Luke 11:42-43, scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites? "Woe unto you" Luke 11:44, lawyers?, "Woe unto you" Luke 11:46. If He loved them, why did He say they were of their father the devil - John 8:44? Don't forget- Matt. 21:43 Jesus said,"The kingdom of God shall be taken from you & given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." |
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---Betty on 7/22/09 |
steveng- Most Jews reject Jesus Christ, therefore God rejects them. Most Jews claim the Talmud as their most holy book - a book that blasphemes Jesus Christ & teaches witchcraft & condones child molestation. Rev. 2:9 Jesus said, "...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan." God could have named off America, but He chose not to. Yet the prophecy of becoming a multitude of nations (blessing on Ephraim through Jacob) came true not in the nation of Israel, but Great Britain (Genesis 48:19). |
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---Betty on 7/22/09 |
alan- Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know what it meant. I think he wanted me to do it, but he can hold his breath on the idea. |
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---Betty on 7/22/09 |
They realize that Jesus said: "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him" (Matt. 11:27).
Calvinist evangelists do not know who is "predestined", but deliver salvation message for any that may be! They still must hear and believe Gospel.
I'm not a Calvinist but I can understand this!
---Donna66 on 7/20/09
Not Calvinist either.... you nailed it above. Another >John 6:44
No man can come to me, except Father which hath sent me draw him: I will raise him up at last day.
John 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. |
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---Trav on 7/21/09 |
Betty -- You are correct that the Jews haven't lived up to calling God had for them.
But if they repent, like anybody of any nation, they can be saved. GOD DOES NOT HATE THE JEWS. If He did, he would not give them the chance to repent. It was God's LOVE that sent Jesus to pay for our sins and theirs.
Luke 13-34-35 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate, and verily I say unto you, ye shall not see Me until the time come when ye shall say, `Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.'" |
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---Donna66 on 7/19/09 |
Janze: "The first Europeans who settled in America inflicted far more misery on the people whom they met and on the who disagreed with them than they ever faced in Europe.
It is remarkable how the myth of the early Americans is portrayed as the truth of America. Today, as well as in the past, a lie, especially a big one, attracts far more followers than the Truth. Oh yes, the Bible does tell us that would be the case. (Isaiah 5:20) "
Isn't it the same when God told the Israelites to kill all the inhabitants before they entered the land of milk and honey? |
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---Steveng on 7/19/09 |
Every prophesy about the end times (and beyond) in both the OT and the NT concerns Israel and its people until the time all is fulfilled at the end of Revelation. The namne Israel is mentioned in the bible, but not America. If America played an important part in the endtimes, God would surely call it America for He know the beginning and the end. He would have said that the city of Jerusalam is Wahington DC - but He didn't. So, accept the biblical truth that the Jews and the land of Israel are still in the eye of God. |
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---Steveng on 7/19/09 |
Betty in some electrified railway systems, the power current is carried not on elevated wires, but on a third rail on at ground level.
It is usually very fatal to stand on it.
Larry is saying you are putting yourself in a dangerous position by your beleifs. It's a bit like your phrase "parking you car over hell"
A bit of hyperbole in each case, I think! |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 7/19/09 |
Larry, You're not looking at the facts.
Read over the history of the "holocaust" and see how God looked after His "chosen"!
6 million in the gas chamber without interference from Him.
My, how soon we forget!
God doesn't use His chosen as canon fodder! |
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---1st_cliff on 7/18/09 |
Like it or not, good or evil Jews are in the first row and you'd better get with it.
---larry on 7/16/09
Wow.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie,...
Giving honor/defending when you may not even know who you are honoring/defending is more dangerous.
You logic, ur doing good.... by honoring ....an "anti-Christ" people who call themselves "jews","Judean"....and could easily be imposters. Scripture does not give this as required except by doctrinals who have been carried along in the current.
Israel consisted of more than "Judeans" and is part of your misunderstanding scriptures. |
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---Trav on 7/18/09 |
Betty...Your teachings are those of a heretic. They do not line up with the Bible. Jesus was and is a Jew. The Jewish people are still God's chosen people. |
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---SusieB on 7/17/09 |
larry- Whatever the third rail is, you're welcome to it. Tell you what, larry, you don't call the shots. God does. He hates Jews or anybody that hate His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is against those that hate Him. Evil Jews are not in the first row unless you mean the waiting line for hell. Jesus Christ told some of those evil Jews that they were of their Father the Devil (John 8:44). How plain can you get? What concord hath Christ with Belial (2Corinthians 6:15)? None. Matthew 21:43 Jesus said, "Therefore I say unto you, the Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." |
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---Betty on 7/17/09 |
God will come back to rule from Jeruselem not Washington D.C. or Jackson County, Missouri as Mitt Romney believes.
---larry on 7/16/09
larry, one more note here...SO TRUE, and He's not coming back to rule from the Vatacan either! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/16/09 |
Thanks Kathr...
Betty, sister you are stepping on the third rail. Like it or not, good or evil Jews are in the first row and you'd better get with it.
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile,
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
I'm praying for you not arguing with you. |
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---larry on 7/16/09 |
larry, if you are addressing Moderator as the one who asked the question, that would be me.
I totally agree Israel, is God's Chosen People and Jerusalem belongs to God even today.
I am so glad to see so many do know scripture and that the Gospel of America is a lie.
This is completely taking over our Churches, by telling us our roots (Puritanism Calvinism)...to try to FIX things here or else God's wrath will come upon us. America is a Heathen Nation like all nations...with a hand full of Christians looking UP (not down and around to fix things) for the return of Christ.
Thank you all for your answers!!
God Bless! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/16/09 |
God prophesied that Abraham would become a great & mighty nation & all nations of the earth shall be blessed in him. Genesis 18:18. Israel did not become a great & mighty nation & all the nations of the earth are not blessed in Israel. If Israel had their way, nobody would acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord. The United States & Great Britain have done more to help other nations with food, etc. and with evangelism than any other nations on the earth. Israel has not preached the gospel to all nations. Find out who did. |
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---Betty on 7/16/09 |
larry- Jesus Christ is not a Jew anymore. He is God. His flesh came from Jewish lineage only. He was God before the foundation of the world, before Jacob became Israel & begat Judah. If Bible verses are dangerous, SO BE IT. Furthermore, you need to understand this: the Jew is not for the benefit of the Gentiles. Salvation through Jesus Christ is for the benefit of the Gentiles. Many Jews hate Jesus Christ & IF they don't repent, they are going to hell. Just like any people from any nation on earth that don't surrender all to Jesus Christ. The Jews are not special anymore. |
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---Betty on 7/16/09 |
Moderator-I'm sure the puritans looking at their situation believed the new land provided by God for their new found freedom to worship was a heavenly indication of their own importance. Wrong.
Isreal of course remains the one and only as God has no need for a new chosen people when the redemption of man will be completed through Israel. God will come back to rule from Jeruselem not Washington D.C. or Jackson County, Missouri as Mitt Romney believes. |
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---larry on 7/16/09 |
The Jewish people Is The Apple of God's eye along with the Nation of Israel Are God's First chosen people. The puritans Is another Man-made religious org that started here, 2nd. Corin. 11 v's 14-15 along with SO many others. |
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---Lawrence on 7/16/09 |
No I know that Israel are God chosen people because it say so in the bible. |
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---LDW on 7/15/09 |
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Moderator and Betty - there is no scripture supporting a "New" chosen people. Israel is God's chosen people and the only nation where God directly installed the government (theocracy).
Betty - I've reviewed your past comments concerning Israel which are all quite negative and dangerous. So while I will not judge, your blogs suggest you may need to check the motive of your heart and understand the veil over the Jew is for the benefit of Gentiles. See Romans 11:25.
Remember there are no subtleties with God, so hidden resentments against Jews mind as well be on on a Las Vegas size sign before the Jew now sitting at the right hand of the Father. He sees all.
Kelly is correct.
God bless. |
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---larry on 7/16/09 |
The fact is, the Calvinist Puritans were the forerunners of today's Kingdom/Dominion/Reconstructionist teaching. The Puritans believed that they were carrying to America true Christianity as decreed by God, especially as written in the Old Testament. They believed too that they were on a divine mission to America, a place specially appointed by God to be the "New Israel," a theocratic "city upon a hill."
This is fact..recorded History. |
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---kathr4453 on 7/15/09 |
Isreal always has been and always will be Gods chosen. America has been blessed but it has turned away from the blesser and are very close to cursing. America is a very sinful and backslidden nation, and unless we repent and turn again to God, we will experience His judgement and wrath.We are told to watch and pray by the Lord, but like the disciples in the garden we have fallen asleep and we have no time to pray. Well we better wake up and begin praying before it is too late. Wake up America!!! |
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---James on 7/15/09 |
The first Europeans who settled in America inflicted far more misery on the people whom they met and on the who disagreed with them than they ever faced in Europe.
It is remarkable how the myth of the early Americans is portrayed as the truth of America. Today, as well as in the past, a lie, especially a big one, attracts far more followers than the Truth. Oh yes, the Bible does tell us that would be the case. (Isaiah 5:20) |
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---Janze on 7/15/09 |
John Winthrop, Puritan Calvinist, the first governor of Massachusetts Bay, transfered the principles found in ancient Israel to the Mass Bay Co, leading Puritans to interpret Scripture in a pretentious way that gave their own state and society the exalted status of New Israel.
Resulting in:
1. Puritan massacres of the Pequot Indian tribe on May 26, 1637, and again on July 14, 1637, were deemed by the Puritans to be directed by God. Captain John Mason declared, "God laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies" (Segal and Stinenback, Puritans, Indians, and Manifest Destiny, pp. 111-112, 134-135). |
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---kathr4453 on 7/15/09 |
Israel is God's elect. That is found in both the New and Old Testament. |
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---Kelly_P on 7/15/09 |
leslie- God may turn His back on America for many reasons, but it won't be because of America turning its back to the Jews. Most Jews hate Jesus Christ & reject Him. Matthew 21:43 Jesus told them, "Therefore I say unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matthew 23:38 Jesus told them, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." |
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---Betty on 7/15/09 |
Susie B- A few of them did get scalped. Shall we start a new hate Puritans blog? |
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---Donna66 on 7/15/09 |
Note: Nathanael didn't say thou art King of America.
Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved
---anon on 7/14/09
Isaiah 62:2
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Isaiah 42:10
Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
Isaiah 42:9-11 (Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing, now it shall spring forth, shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert. |
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---Trav on 7/15/09 |
anon- For one thing, when did the nation of Israel become a commonwealth of nations? Never? Great Britain became a commonwealth of nations, did it not? Jacob (Israel) blessed Joseph's sons, Ephraim & Manasseh. He said Ephraim would become a multitude of nations (Genesis 48:19). Great Britain fulfilled that prophecy. |
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---Betty on 7/15/09 |
NO, Everyone knows Canada is!
Must be because immigrants are flocking here by the millions. Free healthcare and welfare! |
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---1st_cliff on 7/15/09 |
the words chosen people are usually relegated to the hebrews,or jewish people.Now as far as Iam concerned God has CHOSEN to save the world thru his son jesus,and america has no corner on the market.America has been blessed by God,but the with all the laws against Gods word being enforced soon that blessing will end. |
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---tom2 on 7/14/09 |
Alan of UK ---
Yes, I know they started out in England.
A small group of them ended up in the NEW World.
Cluny-- Wow, The Puritans sound like a lot of Christians today! (Modern Christians are a bit more sophisticated in their responses, however)
I'm not trying to "defend" any thing they did, just trying to see it as they may have seen it at the time. |
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---Donna on 7/14/09 |
cluny...Amen! Those puritans might have had second thoughts about this being the promised land once one of them got scalped. |
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---SusieB on 7/14/09 |
A DVD called "Riddles in Stone" gives a different picture of America's founding in some secret pagan occult practices that ancient Isreal got judged for.
Many came here with different ideas of who and what form of mixed religion and philosophy they were going to from this nation with.
I think Christians must make up their minds who they are going to serve: Jesus OR mixed Baal worship. (2 Cor 6:15) |
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---Yochanan on 7/14/09 |
\\ No, I don't.
But I can see how THEY might have thought so.. fleeing religious oppression (as they saw it), surviving the perils of a transatlantic voyage ( a dangerous undertaking in those days)...and arriving at a new, mostly unsettled continent about which much was unknown. They were a deeply religious people, familiar with the Old Testament. They could easily relate to the Hebrews in search of a "promised land".
---Donna66 on 7/14/09\\
And the first thing the Puritans and Pilgrims did when they came here was to do unto others as they had been done unto.
They were not interested in religious freedom for anyone but themselves and those who agreed with them. |
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---Cluny on 7/14/09 |
With the way America has turned its back on God and on the Jewish people, America is NOT God's chosen. America is in REBELLION to God, and just like Sodom and Gamorrah, may be wiped off the face of the earth if the people do not repent and turn back to God. |
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---Leslie on 7/14/09 |
No, I don't.
But I can see how THEY might have thought so.. fleeing religious oppression (as they saw it), surviving the perils of a transatlantic voyage ( a dangerous undertaking in those days)...and arriving at a new, mostly unsettled continent about which much was unknown. They were a deeply religious people, familiar with the Old Testament. They could easily relate to the Hebrews in search of a "promised land". |
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---Donna66 on 7/14/09 |
The Puritans started off in England, long before America was colonised. |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 7/14/09 |
I believe what the Bible says, that Israel is God's chosen people. How could you miss it?
Matthew 2:6 - And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule MY people Israel.
John 1:49 - Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God, thou art the King of Israel.
Note: Nathanael didn't say thou art King of America.
Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved |
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---anon on 7/14/09 |
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No! However I can't wait to read the discussions on this one. |
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---TIMOTHY on 7/14/09 |
I don't recall that the puritans believed such a thing. |
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---SusieB on 7/14/09 |
nope. god made a covenant with abraham
america can be a descendant of abraham |
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---mike on 7/14/09 |
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