water baptism is fine but god has a better baptism in mine and that is hearing his voice/the word.the living word,jesus says you are clean by the WORD i have spoken unto you abide in me and i in you,all the deciples had been water baptised,but jesus warned them if i WASH you not you will have NO part with me,the footwashing passsage speaks volumes of divine baptism,which is thE washing of the water of the word as eph 5 speaks about,the thief on the cross heard his voice/WORD,our hearts and minds can only be cleaned by his word,peter says he was born again by hearing his word/seed,its the seed of the sower,word of god that brings about a heavenly birth,it requires a seed for a birth,not h20 |
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---alex on 11/23/09 |
No, water baptism is a sign or symbol of cleansing or purification of being washed by the blood of Christ and having new life in Him, only being born again of the Holy Spirit assures us of eternal life with Him. |
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---Tony on 11/22/09 |
exzuch i wrote Paul's words. You told me what you think he meant.
Ehp.4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism"
I Cor.12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." what he say is we are baptized into one body, by one Spirit, not one of Paul's converts or some preacher. |
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---michael_e on 11/22/09 |
Baptism does not wash away sins. It is just water.
ONLY the blood of JESUS cleanses sins |
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---june on 11/22/09 |
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---michael_e on 11/21/09 You read what Paul said about baptism and saw what he did, Jesus himself did not baptize but he made his disciples do it. But Paul did baptize people the bible says he did.
1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
What Paul meant was that there were people to do baptism, his calling was to preach the Gospel. He preached baptism and deacons would baptize the converts. That is all he meant by that. |
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---exzucuh on 11/21/09 |
Romans 6:2-5 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Paul made it very clear the importance of Baptism, without it you cannot overcome sin or be resurrected. You will not be saved! |
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---exzucuh on 11/21/09 |
may have, should have, could have, doesn't anybody study anymore?
John's baptism not good enough for Paul?
Paul lists everyone he might have baptized.
He says he was not sent to baptise, if water baptism was so important, why would the apostle to the Gentiles, make such a statement I Cor.1:14 "I thank God I baptized none of you but Crispus and Gaius"
One baptism was important to Paul I Cor.12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,(not water) whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." |
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---michael_e on 11/21/09 |
Again, the thief on the cross may have already been water baptized long before being hung up on a cross, just as Jesus was also baptized long before he was hung up. |
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---Eloy on 11/21/09 |
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Dan, do not try too hard to dis water baptism when Christ Commands water baptism to be done, or perhaps there was a drop of water that fell from heaven upon the thief's head which constituted his baptism. As Christ was baptized before nailed to the waterless wood, so too the thief may have been baptized before being nailed to waterless wood. |
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---Eloy on 11/21/09 |
Acts 19:3-5 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Paul did not accept Johns baptism and re baptized all his disciples in Jesus Name.
This shows how important Paul considered Baptism. He never preached Baptism does not matter. |
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---exzucuh on 11/20/09 |
Does anybody know how many baptisms are in Matt.3:11? If there is more than one than why does Epehsians 4:5 say ther is one?
Why in Acts 2:38 does Peter say "repent and be baptised" Then, why didn't Paul say in Acts 16:31 "Repent and be baptised"? Instead he said, "believe" (believe what) ref I Cor.15:1-4, What the Apostle calls "my gospel" |
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---michael_e. on 11/20/09 |
Not to discourage baptism, but it is not ours to say what the requirements are.
Do you remember Luke 23 at the crucifixion He said to a common criminal "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise". It is doubtful that the man was baptised by water.
---Dan1724 on 11/20/09
WE are commanded to preach the Gospel and baptism is part of that Gospel. Jesus will not accept lip service Christians he said work while it is day night is coming when no man can work. The night he was speaking of is our day when people like you pervert the gospel. |
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---exzucuh on 11/20/09 |
It is very foolish to gamble your salvation on speculation and opinion, there is a 50% chance that the thief on the cross was baptized, baptism was the thing of the Day everyone was going to John, whole cities were participating.
Jesus's disciples had been baptizing for 3 years all over Israel. Just because he was a thief does not mean he was not baptized our prisons are full of baptist. Salvation is to those that believe the Gospel The Gospel is that God sent his Son for our sin and faith is believing it obeying God to be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of your sins, then God will give you his Holy Spirit. Baptism puts sin in remission. |
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---exzucuh on 11/20/09 |
Not to discourage baptism, but it is not ours to say what the requirements are.
Do you remember Luke 23 at the crucifixion He said to a common criminal "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise". It is doubtful that the man was baptised by water. |
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---Dan1724 on 11/20/09 |
Trey, It is God's Word in me that brings you the amazement. |
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---Eloy on 11/20/09 |
You people that hate and discredit the gospel
by changing the message are actually helping the Antichrist spirit. You have believed the doctrine of devils that comes out of the mouth of the Dragon/false Prophet and the beast. The frog message croaking your lies of darkness luring others into your curse of damnation.
Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. |
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---exzucuh on 11/19/09 |
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Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
If you believe then you will be baptized if you are baptized and you don't believe you will be wet. If you are not baptized you are not buried with him in death therefore you will not be raised with him to eternal life.
And you will not be a new creature. |
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---exzucuh on 11/19/09 |
Eloy, you never cease to amaze me with the stuff that you come up with.......?????????? |
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---trey on 11/19/09 |
eloy, did you not read Mk 16:14? How many did Christ address? Who was Peter speaking to in Acts 2. If you are a member of the tribe of Judah, I'm pleased to meet you, for I'm a member of the Body of Christ |
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---michael on 11/19/09 |
Michael, there are 12 tribes, and 12 apostles, not 11. And I am from the seed of Jesus, of the tribe of Judah. |
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---Eloy on 11/19/09 |
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eloy i understand your traditional treatment of scripture. read Mt.28:16-20 Mk.16:14-18 Acts 2:36-38 please tell me which of the 11 or what part of the house of Israel are you? |
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---michael on 11/19/09 |
Michael, you pose a lot of questions, and I will give you one answer. Jesus commands to be water baptized in his name, therefore to disobey his commandment leaves the disobedient outside of salvation and not inside, for there is no kingdom of heaven for the disobedient. |
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---Eloy on 11/19/09 |
1Pe3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Baptism doesn't save us eternally. Baptism is an outward show of what the Holy Ghost has done on the inside. It is a picture of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. It is a statement to the world that we are taking up our cross and following Christ.
By the way, we are saved by grace.
Ro11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. |
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---trey on 11/18/09 |
to eloy, absolutely Jesus was baptised " being about thirty years of age" Why thirty? He was also circumcised the eighth day. What people circumcised on the 8th day?
Who baptised Him, and who was John baptising BEFORE Jesus? Now Mk 16:15-18 which part of these passages, can you agree with also read Mk 16:14 and tell me which of these 11 are you |
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---michael on 11/18/09 |
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Jesus got WATER BAPTIZED, and in the great commission he Commands others to do likewise: "Go all you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature, whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned. While Peter yet spoke these words the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And the circumcised with Peter were astonished for they even heard the Gentiles speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, CAN ANY MAN FORBID WATER, THAT THESE SHOULD NOT BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD." Mark 16:15,16+ Acts 10:44-48. |
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---Eloy on 11/18/09 |
Every time baptism is mentioned, people say water. If water baptism is so essential today, why did the apostle Paul say in Eph 4:3 "one Baptism" And in I Cor.1:17 "Christ sent me not to baptize" if he was sent not to baptize what "one baptism is he talking about? Matt 3:11 speaks of several baptisms, did Paul pick one of these to call "One Baptism" ? Did Israel get wet in I Cor. 10:2 when "all were baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea"? I believe if you study I Cor.12:13 the one doing the baptizing today is not a man and he is not putting anyone under water. Baptism is essential for salvation but it isn't water |
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---Michael on 11/17/09 |
Doers are saved, and not hearers only. "Blessed that servant, whom his Lord when he comes will find so doing." Matthew 24:46. |
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---Eloy on 11/15/09 |
Baptism is not essential to salvation, but it is an act of obedience to Jesus. Baptism by immersion signifies the death to the old man and the raising up to new life in Jesus. It is a beautiful and meaningful experience. After Jesus' baptism, the dove that lit upon Him signified the Holy Spirit. But since Jesus had all of the Spirit of God already in Him, this sign was for us. The Holy Spirit came to live in me as I came up from the baptismal waters. And He has been with me for all the years since. |
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---Sandra on 11/15/09 |
It's really a shame that christians today only stop at water baptism. |
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---Steveng on 11/14/09 |
larry: it appears that you think there is one anti-Christ. The Apostle John told us there were many anti-Christs 1900 years ago. If there were many of them 1900 years ago then, certainly, there are more now. And true Christians do not continue in deliberate sins, Heb 10, 1Jn 3. The Apostle John wrote: "Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin because His Seed abideth in him and he cannot sin because he is begotten of God. In this the children of God are manifest and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not Righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." What Love is this? Read Jn 13-17 about God's definition of Love. And, how are we begottem of God? I am not asking because i do not know. I know. Do you? |
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---anne on 11/14/09 |
Yes, as long as that person repents when they sin, and they don't worship anti-christ when he is here on earth INSTEAD OF Christ. (Anti-Christ, means: Instead of Christ. |
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---larry on 10/12/09 |
To "more excellent way". You understand that the Water is the Water of Life, Living Water! It is! You quote from 1Jn 5 but there are 3 that testify the Name, the Name of Mt 28:18-20 that we must be baptized with and into, the Name that we must call upon to be saved, Ac 2, Ac 22. Study baptisms and Righteousness, especially in Matthew and Romans. Seek first the Righteousness that is revealed in the Gospel for us to have Faith in, Mt 6:33a, Ro 1:16-25. |
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---anne_robare on 10/11/09 |
Jesus did not come by BLOOD ONLY...
1 John 5:6
"He came by WATER AND blood".
When did "rivers of" H2O ever flow out of a Christian? (share your experience if this happened to you)....
John 7:38
"shall flow rivers...".
John 4:14
"but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst".
An 'inner temple' will have an inner understanding of this (and will have a love devotion), otherwise there will only be an intellectual understanding of "con-TEXT". |
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---more_excellent_way on 10/10/09 |
Jesus Is The Door to His Salvation Plan, Mark 16 v 16. He that believeth & is baptized
shall be saved, it does Not say that your saved first & then you get baptiized. When men & women say you dont have to be baptized to be saved then your calling Jesus a liar & you are trying to get into heaven like a thief & a robber. It's the same same when Man teaches once saved always saved - easy believism - repeat aft me - the sinners prayer & the such like, these trinity
teachings are False, & are trying to steal their way into heaven without going through The Door which Is Jesus Christ & His Salvation Plan, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfils Matt 28 v's 19-20.
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---Lawrence on 8/27/09 |
Baptism does not save you. To many christians say it does, plenty were filled with the Ruach Ha Kadesh without being baptized first. I love how many people make baptism so important while saying the commandments are gone. |
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---wayne on 8/26/09 |
There is only ONE way to be saved, that ONE is JESUS. We must all turn to HIM(repentance). Its NOT us turning from sin, it us turning to HIM who takes sin away.
..Jesus Christ is the guarantee... |
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---duane on 7/31/09 |
Water baptism does NOT save - it is an outward expression of an inward working. Salvation is ONLY through repentance of sins and acceptance of Jesus as Lord. |
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---Leslie on 7/30/09 |
All the verse MOST excelantway gave are all out of context. |
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---batieste on 7/28/09 |
No repent be baptized to be given power of Holy Spirit who guides to obey
repentance is for the former sinful life
Christ paid the penalty of death on the cross and his blood reconciles us to The Father
the GIFT of Gods Holy Spirit brings power to live as Christ lived ..there are no guarantee's because we will not live a perfect life as Christ did ...it is our work to continue to overcome Rev 2:26, 3:21
Overcoming is a continuous process not one-time lip service to "accept Jesus in your heart" Matt 15:8 |
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---Rhonda on 7/24/09 |
There is no such thing as unconditional salvation. If there was you could prove it, and you should know by now if you have been on christianet a long time that it has never been proven and never will. What Jesus did on the Cross provides salvation to those who are obedient to the Gospel. If it were not so then there would be no purpose to preaching and no need for the Church. We would just automatically be saved because Jesus paid the price for the whole world. He did die for the sin of the world but his ministry is the ministry of reconciliation, which means the one who is reconciled must accept the terms of the contract before the contract is in effect. Also they must not break the contract or it is made void. |
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---exzucuh on 7/23/09 |
The guarantee is to except The Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, to repent of your sins. In Mark Ch.16 verse 16,Jesus said
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved,but he that believeth not shall be damned. |
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---LiQuita on 7/22/09 |
The water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross will consecrate/baptize a true believer (inner temple) to the outer temple (Christ's body). The spiritual baptism of "living water" is the only baptism we need so that we "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16).
Ephesians 4:5
"one lord, one faith, one baptism".
John 7:38
"He who believes in me,...'Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.'"
1 John 5:6
"came by water and blood".
The "guarantee" comes from having the "fruit of light" (Ephesians 5:8) and a true "heartbreak" love for God (love devotion) that is based on "the greatest of these" (1 Corin. 13:13). |
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---more_excellent_way on 7/22/09 |
Have you not read the parable of The Sower? The seeds that fell on the rocks germinated and whithered away in the sun. Some people only know God, but deny his power. These are the ones that Jesus rejected just because they say "Lord, Lord."
The only way to keep your faith alive is to DO the works. For without works, your faith is dead. Do not be only hearers of the word, but doers, also. Do the two commandments that Jesus spoke of. Also, do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches." |
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---Steveng on 7/22/09 |
Must a person be baptized to be saved. Please consider Acts 10:44-48,
" 44-While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45-And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46-For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47-Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48-And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."
In these verses that idea seems to be repudiated!!
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---mima on 7/22/09 |
Read Acts 11 and the telling of Peter's visit to the Gentiles and how the Holy Spirit was passed.
"John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." Acts 11:16
It appears to me that if you are offered a chance to accept the Holy Spirit, from someone who actually has the Holy Spirit, then you just have to accept it.
But realize there is far more work to be done than just acceptance. You have to work at it the rest of your life.
Jesus told the adulterous, LEAVE YOUR LIFE OF SIN.
Jesus did not specify when to leave it, but you must leave it. So that might mean you need to make noticeable steps to leave it. |
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---stephen on 7/22/09 |
ST.John 3:5 except a man be born of the water and the spirit he can not enter heaven.
There is no way around that.
Nicodemus acknowledge that Jesus was went from God. was he saved ? No. Jesus said to him except a man be born of the water and the spirit he can not enter heaven.
Paul came across John's disciples in Acts 19:1-6, he asked them if they have received the holy spirit yet.
Most people believe excepting God in your heart automatically gives you the holy spirit. No.
Paul proves that wrong
Read Act 2:1-4, Acts10:45-. that's how the Apostles and the Gentiles received the holy spirit. And since we are in the covenant of Grace like they were at the time we receive it the same way. |
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---batieste on 7/21/09 |
Mark 16 v 16. Acts 2 v's 37-41 Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20. NO one found in scriptures of any one being baptized in the titles Father-Son & Holy Ghost. Colo 3 v 17 & The Name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ.
The man constantine when he embraced a type of chrtianity that devised r-catholocism (when this light came to him 2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15)started the father-son & holy spirit baptism,because did Not want to line up to The Truth of God's Church being born on the day of Pentecost. |
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---Lawrence on 7/20/09 |
"He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. John preached the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." But made it clear that "he that comes after me is mightier than I,..He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.. [and] that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,.. [For] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ." Acknowledging and relying upon that, is our guarantee of salvation. |
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---Josef on 7/19/09 |
I need to submit to God, at every moment, for whatever God wants to do with me. Everything that God does with me is essential. How Jesus says to love, in the Sermon on the Mount > "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) People lose marriages, because they only love those who love them. I can't be pontifical, only preaching on others, and expect to be saved.
"Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith." (in 2 Corinthians 13:5) I would say this means that we who are saved should not take for granted, but keep on examining if we are in "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6). |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 7/19/09 |
Following the Tradition of the Holy Apostles and Fathers, and the authority of Scriptures (Jh. 3:3,5, Acts 22:16, etc) the Church has believe that is through the Baptismal Font, with the power of the Holy Spirit, that we are reborn unto spiritual life, we become fully in communion with Christ and His Holy Church, etc.
However, the mere entering into the Holy Baptismal Font does not guarantee a person entry into Heaven. One must continue to believe and obey Jesus Christ, participate in the Sacramental life of the Church (i.e., partaking of Holy Mysteries, Holy Eucharist), live a virtuous life, etc. Salvation is a lifelong process, not based upon a past moment of confession or the mere entrance into the Baptismal Font.
In IC.XC, |
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---Ignatius on 7/19/09 |
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