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I Just Became Unemployed

I have joined the ranks of the unemployed during this terrible recession. Even though it was not entirely my own fault. Any thoughts?

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Hi everybody! Still unemployed but so far bills have been paid and food is on my table. I am doing a little work at home but it is not paying much.
I have lost one of my cars/insurance on another. Cannot make some bills but most are paid. Suffered two more deaths within the family. Feel down some days but I have to keep trusting in the Lord. Some days I feel angry and that God has forgotten about me.But that feeling passes.
Weeping may endure for a night but joy comes in the morning..Psalm 30:5
---Robyn on 9/17/09


obewan...If your employer did not have to pay the unemployment insurance, he most likely would not give you the difference.
---SusieB on 7/31/09
You obviously have never worked as a contract engineer. Part of the engineering project is a negotiation of wages up front. If you go the self-employed route you ALWAYS get a higher hourly rate then if you let the employer take care of benefits including unemployment. I am a living example because I have done it both ways.
To Alan UK, I do not have a problem with not collecting unemployment insurance. I have issues with Susie B saying it is not part of pay.
---obewan on 8/6/09


Obewan ... That's the way all insurance works.

You pay the premium.

If you suffer a loss ... an accident, fire, theft, unemployment, illness ... you receive compensation for your loss, maybe far in excess of what you paid in premium, but you have still paid the premium.

If you don't suffer these misfortunes, you have still paid the premium.

What is your problem?
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/31/09


larry, your post is very inspiring. The most valuable intimate times we have with the Lord IS in difficult times. We learn that whether we abound or are abased we can do all things through Christ who strengtnens us. The Lord's purpose in our sufferings is to STRENGTHEN us by might in the inner man ( Ephesians 3).

The sufferings of this present time is not even worthy to be compared to the Glory that is to follow.

Yet, we are still flesh, and the Lord still knows what we can and cannot endure, and won't allow us to endure more than HE gives the Grace to endure.

Count it all Joy my friends...painful as it is...Just Praise the Lord in spite of your fears....Though He slay me...Yet will I trust in Him!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/31/09


obewan...If your employer did not have to pay the unemployment insurance, he most likely would not give you the difference.
---SusieB on 7/31/09




obewan...You do not pay the unemployment. Your employer does.
---SusieB on 7/30/09
It is still money contributed to the government because of my work. The more I earn, the more the government has in the pool on my behalf, and I will never see my share of that money unless I am laid off.

The employer pays for part of medical insurance and that is considered pay too.

If they did not pay for unemployment they could give me a higher salary. That is how it works for self-employed contractors.
---obewan on 7/31/09


Thoughts...plenty?
I am also unemployed and every day I'm tested in whether my faith is real. Do I really believe God will supply my needs? He supplied sustenance for the nation of Israel for 40 years without so much as taking an offering and having no refridgeration. God won't trust you until he can trust you so this is your time.

Ask yourself, what am I learning in this journey and has my relationship with the lord deepened?
For one you will find that you pray a lot more and that in the long run is worth the season of unemployment.
---larry on 7/30/09


obewan...You do not pay the unemployment. Your employer does.
---SusieB on 7/30/09


employers pay unemployment insurance. It is not deducted from our paychecks.
---SusieB on 7/30/09
It is based upon pay. It is like Social Security, which is higher if a person has to pay "self employment tax". We dont pay for 100% of medical insurance, but that is considered pay too.

My employer contributes 4% of my annual pay to the government. If I don't earn, the government does not earn. So, in a very real sense, it IS my money. I have earned it, and will never realize those earnings unless laid off.

My stepfather once referred to it as "welfare" and it made me so mad I gave up two months worth out of pride.
---obewan on 7/30/09


Robyn on 7/29/09

I am so sorry Robyn. Accounting too is one of the worse jobs one can have because of always being asked to cook the books in one way or another. I've left jobs because I would not cheat. Christians do get pushed up against a wall in these horrible times. The Lord WILL open another door when one is closed.



Although it is hard, I believe God is testing our hearts and obedience and to rise above the dishonest employer/workplace/world. What I've seen literally is these companies go out of business or get caught with great consequences. You don't want your name associated with any such companies. The Lord WILL watch over you, and I will also pray for your peace of mind and heart!
---kathr4453 on 7/30/09




obewan...In the USA, employers pay unemployment insurance. It is not deducted from our paychecks. She has already lost her job and is already collecting unemployment. I was just telling her what I did when faced with having to work for a company that expects people to lie for them.
---SusieB on 7/30/09


I quit rather than be associated with such a thing.
---SusieB on 7/29/09
Hopefully you are not asking her to give up her unemployment. She clearly said that it was an issue of charge numbers. If the employer has lack of work, then by law, she has earned and is owed an unemployment check. It would be illegal and unethical to expect her to quit rather than draw unemployment since they have withheld 4% from every single paycheck she has earned for it. Would you suggest she give up her medical insurance too if she gets sick? Lets hope you mean find a job FIRST and then quit.
---obewan on 7/30/09


robyn...I understand perfectly what you are saying. I had a job like that where they asked me to lie and represent myself as a licensed insurance agent when I wasn't. I quit rather than be associated with such a thing. The Lord had another job waiting.
---SusieB on 7/29/09


I refused to lie and cheat to raise my numbers.
---Robyn

That is why I was upset about Susie B going on about "productivity".

At my job, we either have to bill a contract, or an overhead charge.

When I came here 5 years ago, I had 85 new designs. Now I have 3. I can't transfer to a billable contract because those people are being cut.

I have no billable charge besides overhead. I do research and answer questions, so they keep me on. But "support" functions will be the first thing to go. There have been 4 layoffs since Christmas 2008. If I ask for more work I will expose the fact that I dont have enough, yet that is the only way to get more productive charge numbers.
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---obewan on 7/29/09


Susie B: I use to be a top producer at my job. My work fell off due to the economy and the recession.No fault of mine. The job also made it hard for the reps to do their jobs due to faulty and outdated computer euqipment,endless meetings,threats and other frustrations that left the reps angry and upset. If computers break down I would not be paid for the length of time they were down. If reps were not producing they were sent home on a regular basis(no pay for time loss) etc..Just a lot of frustrations and distractions.
When my work began to fall off I refused to lie and cheat to raise my numbers. Other reps were lying and cheating. I also told management I would not lie, cheat etc.. I was told to do something OR... lose my job!
---Robyn on 7/29/09


It doesn't matter how Robyn lost her job suzie the thing is there are times when one need to be sensitive to the needs of others this is one of the major stresses that can cause someone to go into depression not that is or will but one still has to be mindful.

It is times like these that you build and encourage because it's in the quiet times the devil uses your suggestion to accuse the brethren and says things like ''yes you are no good no one cares about you, even Suzie suggested your job loss was because of your own human error,''

''Don't let the devil use you uncaring thought as a mouth piece to hurt brethren''!
---Carla3939 on 7/29/09


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Thanks for all thoughts,suggestions and prayers. I still have not found another job but I have been looking.
It will not be easy because I am over 50 and at that age in the job market there is a lot of discrimnation against older workers.
I have some money coming into the household. But not enough. But I trust the Lord will make a way for me to find a better job.My husband is retired.
By the way. As most of you know I lost a dear son the same week(a year ago) that I was fired from my job. I was already a bit depressed, of sorts and then this happened.The person who fired me knew of my loss. But God is so awesome. I just keep trusting for something soon. Thanks to all
---Robyn on 7/29/09


Go for a new job .
Offer them more than a body be a God GOOD HONEST EMPLOYEE
---TIMOTHY on 7/27/09


Robyn...Enlighten us to as why you lost your job, please.
---SusieB on 7/27/09


Robyn, in Isaiah God does tell us that, "I am the Lord thy God who teaches you to profit who leads you in the way in which you should go. Have I not said it? and will I not do it?

"I will counsel you with mine eye upon you." That's pretty close for God to be to us.

Take these scriptures and begin to tell God, God you said, (repeat these 2 scriptures) and I choose to believe you. Then just speak to Him from your heart. Lord, I need a job, can you please lead me to something Lord? I know the economy is bad out there, but you are Jehovah Jirah, the Lord my Provider. Please provide something for me Lord. Then thank Him-don't forget to Thank Him - it's important.
---anon on 7/27/09


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Very true, Carla.

If companies are cost-cutting,
they may eliminate a position altogether or hire a less well-trained person, who can work for a smaller salary.
---Donna66 on 7/24/09


>>>...those employees who are not the most productive generally lose their positions first.<<<<
(Susie)

This condescending comment isn't required since professionals know this. .

I read that half as many people produce three times as much as people did in the mid 1970's.

I am on salary, and my current employer had 4 layoffs since last Thanksgiving and keeps dropping the hint saying, "Now is not the time to slack off on overtime."

I do not have enough work, but I pretend. Even with a slack workload, they keep me. The current cost savings I am working on will bring in excess of $400K a year. We have enough paranoid suffering families as it is with 70-hour weeks. There has to be fairness at some point.
---obewan on 7/24/09


Suzie,

You cannot use your years however long to judge the situation as right on the mark because I know of managers who out grow their posts, they reach a stage where they are paid the highest salaries /post so there is nowhere else for the person to go but to move to another job where the salary accommodates growth.

Redundancy is a measure of all things and anything really can cause someone to be made redundant which can be the post and not necessarily the person (although managers/employers are known work outside of the Law) which is by law a basis for unfair dismissal if it can be proved.
---Carla3939 on 7/24/09


>>>I have found that those employees who are not the most productive generally lose their positions first.<<<<

Not necssarily. Some places have a "last hired, first fired" policy. Even if you were a very good employee, if this is their policy...they risk an employee "uprising" if they do otherwise.

What reason did they give you? Were you fired? Layed off?

Now's the time to think about how you might improve on your next job.

But, in this economy, many businesses are cutting back in any way they can to save money. It may be nothing personal.
---Donna66 on 7/23/09


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Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding. Pray and ask God to take care of you and your family. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things shell be added unto you. Ask Him to open the door to new employment.
---Jeanette_Nimick on 7/23/09


Immoral or illegal?

There are higher standards for working than immoral or illegal.

Look to the scripture for understanding that a boss who asks you to lie on anything is asking you to break God's law. And the same for any commandment. If you work for a company that kills people by poisoning your neighbors, then you may be in trouble with God.
---stephen on 7/23/09


i will join the unemployed as well as of aug 17th... i have a back injury and have been off work for a while, then had surgery. but according to the FMLA i get only 12 weeks and so 8/17 is the end of the 12 weeks therefor I will be terminated. i go and see the doctor on 8/28 .... some how i dont think that seems very fair? !!! so i will be job hunting and have to explain why i was termed after 2 yrs. that may open a door as to questionable performance due to back surgery... some times trusting God is hard and scary at the same time.
---sheri on 7/23/09


obewan...A layoff is when they lay people off because of the economy. A firing is when they discharge employees for something to which they contributed the cause. At least she didn't kick their *!#($ when she left like she said she wanted to do.
---SusieB on 7/23/09


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obewan...I did not judge her. She said that the firing was not "all her fault" which means that it was some of her fault.
---SusieB on 7/23/09
Then I misunderstood your intent since you were so quick to rant about work ethics. The implication was that if she had a higher work ethic, she might not have been laid off. She even cleared things up with a follow-up post by stating that her mistake was not leaving a sinking ship when she had her chance. And, if her boss had a vendetta against her it could have been because the employees "ethics" were higher than the bosses. We still don't know enough. And if you knew more about HR you would call it a "layoff" rather than a "firing".
---obewan on 7/23/09


obewan...I did not judge her. She said that the firing was not "all her fault" which means that it was some of her fault. There are hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs today due to nothing they have done.
---SusieB on 7/23/09


Good Robyn! That's what I was hoping to hear. Yes, the Lord will provide. He will make a way out of no way.

Kick her what?! :) I'm certainly glad you didn't lose your mind up in there. LOL (Eph. 4:26-32)

Many, many years ago, my Dad told me, "When you work for people you must do what they say as long as it isn't illegal or immoral. If you can't do what they say, then you need to do something else for a living."

You admit partial fault, so learn from it, grow & go on as the Lord leads you. Obey & have faith in God & He will meet your needs!
---Leon on 7/23/09


I have found that those employees who are not the most productive generally lose their positions first.
Susie B-----

But you judged her without first hand knowledge of her situation. Her only mistake could have been staying on a sinking ship when other better offers were available. I was once at a factory that closed completely. All 2000 employees were laid off. I turned down two excellent job offers only to stay as a loyal and productive employee for 2 years until the last part had shipped. They gave me a $15K bonus and 1 years severance, but I regret giving up the best offer of my career to remain loyal. My unemployment after that was partly "my own fault".
---obewan on 7/22/09


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Robyn said that losing the job was "not entirely my own fault" which leads me to believe that it was partially her fault. In my 40+ years my administrative career, I have found that those employees who are not the most productive generally lose their positions first. Those who do the best work in the least amount of time generally retain their positions longer. I actually do have years of knowledge regarding this issue. When I retired they had to hire three people to do the jobs that I had been doing.
---SusieB on 7/22/09


Robyn....See this as an opportunity for the Lord to find you the job that you have always wanted. My son moved across the country for an old girlfriend. He went to work immediately. The relationship did not work out, but he has the job he has always wanted.
---SusieB on 7/22/09


Leon: I have not been letting grass grow under my feet. I am anchored in the Lord and He is my Jehovah-Jireh. My provider. I am not going to jump off of the Empire State building,for sure. I am too blessed to be depressed or stressed. But I am human.I did not like the way it happened. I went peacefully from the job,the day of the dismissal but I wanted to jump over the table and kick her b---! But I let the God in me, lead me to do the right thing. I saw the handwriting on the wall for several months> It was not really about the job(perhaps 50%) the other 50%, was a personal vendatta against me, I think. An incident occurred prior to the dismissal. My work performance had always been impeccable.I had fallen somewhat from my usual performance.
---Robyn on 7/22/09


Sri -

I agree, God will take care of YOU, if you trust in Him. You may see lots of suffering around those in your family, but you will be taken care of by God if you have faith and belief and pray.

To Others: By the way, is this recession terrible if more people turn towards GOD because of it? The USA does not live a Godly life according to the scriptures.
---stephen on 7/22/09


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Believe me I know it can be tough to lose your job. I am currently in the same situation. I lost my job in January due to the recession as did 25% of the employees who worked with me. Although I've been on several interviews I still have not been hired. At time's it can get depressing but just keep your faith. It will get better, believe it! In the meantime try and make the most of the time you have. I do it by spending more time with my kids. I wish you luck in finding a new job quickly.
---Ron on 7/22/09


SusieB, that is a good thought considering "though not entirely my own fault."
---Nana on 7/22/09


Robyn...My suggestion is that when you do find another job, you do not repeat whatever you did that caused this unemployment. Specifically, the part which was your fault. .
---SusieB on 7/21/09
You obviously know NOTHING about business in the real world. What kind of callous comment is that? If an employer loses revenue and only has 10 people, but only enough work for 5, then guess what? - five of them will be unemployed. Usually layoffs are based a lot on seniority too, so how can a person pick a job with 20 years seniority going in the door? I was laid off for LACK OF WORK three times in 5 years at one employer, and they called me back to work every time. I finally got smart and hired myself a reliable employer though.
---obewan on 7/22/09


If you set your heart on material things or worry about them you cannot be close to God. As Lord Jesus says - cannot serve God and mammon, and worry will not turn one hair on your head black or white.
---sri.ramakrishna on 7/21/09


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A few suggestions:

1. Talk WITH God. Most christians know that they must pray, but don't really know how. Usually their prayers are a one way conversation.
2. Don't sit around feeling sorry for yourself. Go out and do.
3. Make a list of all your skills and choose one that is overpowering (like if you were in a certain occupation for a few years). Think about promoting yourself as a consultant, write articles, design a website in your field.
4. Your library has dozens of books about starting a home-based business, freelancing, etc. Start reading.
5. Start a corporation, purchase an apartment building and live in one of the apartments (while your tenants pay the mortgage). You'll have a roof over your head and food on the table.
---Steveng on 7/21/09


Robyn...My suggestion is that when you do find another job, you do not repeat whatever you did that caused this unemployment. Specifically, the part which was your fault. When God gives us a job He expects us to do what the employer requires of us.
---SusieB on 7/21/09


Rob,
i know what it is to be out of job
God will see you through
in the mean time
find something to do ... God will multiply it
---PAT on 7/21/09


Your not alone Robyn my husband was made redundant last week and we are in the same position,


Funny thing is I have not had the time to even worry about it yet.

I doubt that I will either,

The song comes to mind:
Why worry when you can pray,
God promised he, will lead the way,
don't be a doubting Thomas,
when trouble comes upon us,
why worry worry worry worry,
when you can pray!
(Not saying were not human)



So Prayer and more prayer is on the agenda.

God bless
I know how you feel...
CarlaX
---Carla3939 on 7/21/09


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Robyn, I am sorry to hear of your loss of employment. I know the feeling, I was unemployed for 7 weeks earlier this year, but, have been called back to work. Use this time to seek the Lord, and see what He would have you to do. Get involved in ministry to others, this will take your thoughts away from your own situation and will be a blessing to you. Be strong in the Lord for HE knows our every need and will not allow us to be tried beyond our abilities in Him to go through. We often forget or don't realize that the Bible never promises "smooth sailing," but does guarantee a safe landing in Jesus Christ. There is hope for tomorrow if your tomorrow is settled in Jesus Christ and His promises. We will be praying for you. God Bless.
---tommy3007 on 7/21/09


You're the only you there is . . . unique . . . with God's special plan for you. Now you can be quiet in prayer, with time to get with God and just see what He does with you . . . to have rest with the sense He gives you for finding out all He pleases to share with you. Enjoy the ride.

You say it's "not entirely" your "fault". Well, now you can settle down and deal with however it is your fault, so you do better . . . perhaps . . . speaking for myself, really . . . in how we have been relating and reacting, and our attitudes about what we are doing > we may think what we do is not important, but the people we deal with are so very important to God, for us to love them all. "That's still your job" (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/21/09


I would like to encourage you to become self-employed(perhaps in the home) as we occupy until Lord comes naturally we will need employment.( substance) from self-employment you will have self-control of your own welfare, of your own income, and have your own substance.

Also let me encourage you to not become discouraged. You are God's child act like it. Take your problems to him in prayer, and leave them at his feet for he and he alone is sovereign God. May our lord richly richly bless you!!!!
---mima on 7/21/09


Sorry for your loss. Wal-Mart is hiring.
---amand6348 on 7/20/09


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One thought Robyn. What are you going to do?
---Leon on 7/20/09


It appears you might need to pray and seek the Lord for your career. Get some job counseling, and see if you need to make some changes concerning your career.
---Trish9863 on 7/20/09


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