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Why Was The Sabbath Changed

Why was sabbath (which is Saturday) changed to sunday?

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Gina - *We are judged by our obedience to the 10 commandments: James 2:10-12

James 2:10 merely states 'For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of /breaking it/ all.'

And in effect, James really states all are guilty since all have failed to keep the entire law.

However Scripture proclaims that despite the fact that 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:12), those who truly believe 'are justified by His grace as a GIFT through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus' (3:24).

And that is truly the beauty of the Gospel message, we are saved by Christ by simply believing in Him.
---Lee1538 on 7/29/09


Acts 15:21

"This is basic wisdom from Moses, preached and honored for centuries now in city after city as we have met and kept the Sabbath."

The decision of Acts 15 Jerusalem council was to be spread city to city as they meet and keep the Sabbath. So it is obvious, whatever the council decision was, it did not include doing away with Sabbath for the gentiles they would be meeting with, because the details of the councel were to be spread, city to city, and shared as they met with the gentiles on the Sabbath! They go to a city, celebrate and keep the Sabbath with the Gentiles, and tell them of the Jerusalem council. Instead of doing away with the Sabbath for gentiles, Acts 15 confirm it.
---Gina7 on 7/29/09


gina - *When we come to Christ we are justified, by no works of our own, but our walk with Him afterwords is the work of sanctification, and requires obedience.

The obedience required of us is to His Holy Spirit, not obedience to law.

Why do you suppose scripture tells us that "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law"? Gal.5:18.

Interested if you have an answer!

Your quote of commandments in Revelation 14 is not to the Decalogue commandments but to the new covenant commandments of God, namely to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and to love one another.(see 1 John 3:22-24).
---Lee1538 on 7/29/09


Lee1538 and Betty:

I know that there is much Biblical evidence for the conflict between Jewish and Gentile believers as to whether the rirual practices of Moses were necessary, in the early Christian church.

However, the substantive matter is over the change of one of the ten commandments. Since the ten commandments were viewed then and now as a unit, to change one of them would have significant implications. And if the Sabbath is considered as one of the ritual practices of Moses, then that presents an enormous problem for all those who profess christianity. So, where is the criptural directive for the change which seems to be so acceptable today among professing christians?
---Janze on 7/29/09


There is no qualifiers regard certain works such as obedience to 10 commandments.
---Lee1538 on 7/28/09

We are judged by our obedience to the 10 commandments: James 2:10-12

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" James 2:24

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and enter in through the gates into the city" Rev 22:14

When we come to Christ we are justified, by no works of our own, but our walk with Him afterwords is the work of sanctification, and requires obedience.
---Gina7 on 7/29/09




Acts 15:24-27 the apostles sent some to tell the Gentiles that they didn't have to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:28-29 the Holy Ghost & the apostles sent word to the Gentiles that they abstain from meats offered to idols, blood & things strangled & fornication. They did not say keep the sabbath, for it was part of the Old Covenant that was done away with. The sabbath law was not a moral law, it was a test of obedience.The sabbath command will not get you to Heaven or keep you out of it. The other commandments have a bearing on your future.
---Betty on 7/29/09


Romans 13:9-10 The commandments,You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word:You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So, if one does not observe the OT sabbath, but loves his neighbor, that person has fulfilled the law. Correct?
---Lee1538 on 7/29/09


When I study the Bible, it is plain to me that the O.T. laws, all of them, were nailed to the cross.
---Gary on 7/28/09

Psalm 111:7,8

The works of His hands are verity and judgement, all His commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

Matthew 22:36-40

Love the Lord thy God
Love thy neighbor
"On these 2 commandments hang all the law and the prophets"
If you love God, you keep the first 4
If you love neighbor, you keep the last 6
---Gina7 on 7/29/09


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Sabbath was given at creation before there was an "Israel." It was kept before Sinai, after Sinai, and as Isaiah 66:22-23 states, in the New Jerusalem. Why then is it missing from practice by Christians for 2000 years? What verse states Sabbath was done away with or moved to another day? \\

Since there is no sun or moon in the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:23), how will you know one day of the week from the other, much less know when the Sabbath begins??
---Cluny on 7/29/09


"But the church is adopted into Israel. See Romans 11"
Samuel on 7/28/09

John 1:12: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Samuel,
Does that mean that God is Israel?
---Nana on 7/28/09




Samuel - *But the church is adopted into Israel. See Romans 11

In a spiritual sense, that is correct, however, did not the Council of Jerusalem Acts 15 settle the issue that Gentile converts did not have to become Jews in order to be Christians?

To be a Jew, one needed to undergo the rite of circumcision in which situation, the convert was obligated to observe all the laws of Moses.

And did not God create a New Covenant with Israel & the House of Judah that was to be UNLIKE the Old Covenant made at Mt. Sinai?
---Lee1538 on 7/28/09


Greetings friends. I am just submitting this for consideration, draw your own conclusion.

In Jer. 31 we see the prophecy of the "new" covenant (verses 31-34) and again in Hebrews 8 a repeat of the same verses. My question, is this a NEW covenant, or the same covenant but now renewed?

In the Jer. verses the word translated as "new" is chadasha, which along with it's root word, means renew. In the Hebrews 8 rendition, the Greek word translated as "new" is kainos. Kainos means renewed, as in a 68' Mustang with new paint and interior. The word for "new" as in off the show room floor new is nehos.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 7/28/09


The Ten Commandments hang on two commandments..Love God and Your nieghbor as yourself..the rest of the 8 PLUS other alleged 613 show how to practice this living faith as the Holy Spirit sanctifies the heart and mind to live out these instructions and overcome the flesh and the devil.

Not all laws can be followed cause their is no need for a Temple system in this age of Grace. We are being restored as David's fallen tabernacle(TENT)sukka. PSALMS 89, AMOS 9:11, ACTS 15:16

Gal. 2:20-21 promote letting Yahushua(Jesus) live through us. It does not negate the commandments. Yahushua and the Holy Spirit are "the Word".

The anti-christ's generational followers does not want beleivers to obey Elohim. It hates God's Laws.
---Yochanan on 7/28/09


Many good point here.

But the church is adopted into Israel. See Romans 11

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
---Samuel on 7/28/09


Gina - //We are not under condemnation of the law as long as we walk in Christ and keep the 10 commandments in His power.

The problem is that all too often those of certain denominations add to the word of God in order to support their nonscriptural doctrines.

The scripture very plainly states that our salvation is by grace alone with works the result of that salvation (Eph. 2:8-10) and that there is no condemnation for those in Christ (Romans 8:1). There is no qualifiers regard certain works such as obedience to 10 commandments.

If you say something is a free gift and then say there is a charge, you basically contradict yourself.
---Lee1538 on 7/28/09


Jer. 31:31f Behold, the days are coming,... when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah,not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them ...out of the land of Egypt, ...

Note the phrase 'not like the covenant I made with their fathers' refering to the Old Sinaitic covenant with its holy days dietary laws, and sacrificial system but God created a new covenant of the Spirit.

2 Cor. 3:6-8 He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, NOT of the letter, but of the Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit produces life. Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory, ...how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
---Lee1538 on 7/28/09


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jerry6593 - When I said I am not under any of the commandments, what I meant to say is that I am not under any of the Old Testament Commandments. I am now under the commandments given in the New Testament.

This seems to be a lost cause to argue. Some of us see it, plain and simple, one way, and the others see it the other way.

I have attended two different non-denominational churches. One taught that we are under both the O.T. and the N.T., and the other taught that we are under the N.T. and that the laws of the O.T. have ended.

When I study the Bible, it is plain to me that the O.T. laws, all of them, were nailed to the cross.
---Gary on 7/28/09


"And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved" Psalm 119:47
"Oh How I love thy Law! It is my meditation all the day." Psalm 119:97
"It is time for thee, Lord, to work, for they have made void thy law. Therefore I love thy commandments above gold, yea, above fine gold." Psalm 119:126,127

"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel, after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people" Jeremiah 31:33 (See Hebrews 8:10 where it is repeated!)
---Gina7 on 7/27/09


Gary: "I am not under ANY of the commandments. I have the Spirit of God and am lead by the Spirit."

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---jerry6593 on 7/28/09


IV.

Paul in the book of Hebrews describes the differences of the two Covenant Priesthoods, and the reasons why the Old Covenant was replace with the New Covenant.

The animals blood, etc., could not erase their sins, but they received credit for their obedience as they waited for The Messiah, who is Christ, to come and erase their sins completely.

The commandment spoken of in Heb 7:18 meant the Levitical laws for sanctification, and not the Ten Commandments. Hebrews describes the conversion from the old ways of justification, purification, sanctification to Christs priesthood laws for cleansing. God never voided the Ten Commandments,, it was the sacrificial system that was replaced which was given the Jews as a commandment.
---SuzieH on 7/27/09


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III.

Paul is talking to the Hebrews (Jews) who had been living under the Levitical priesthood which required killing animals, outward circumcision, etc., for their sanctification, justification, and purification.

These Jews for many generations had been told by God if they did not become outwardly circumcised and perform these sacrifices, they could not be saved because that would be breaking God's covenant with them and they would be cut off. (Gen 17:14) It required some convincing proof to stop and do something new. It required great faith for them. The Old system was to teach the severe consequences of sin.
---SuzieH on 7/27/09


Ken_Rank - The everlasting covenant of the Sabbath was given to Israel, not us.

Genesis 17:10-14 - everlasting covenant regarding circumcise.

Numbers 25:1-13 - everlasting priesthood for Aaron the priest. But now we are under the priesthood of Jesus Christ.

There are many everlasting covenants in the Old Testament that are no longer followed. Most, if not all, applied to certain individuals, or to Israel, and not to the gentiles or anyone else.
---Gary on 7/27/09


The sabbath was never changed. The law was never done away with. You believe that Jesus was with the Father when the law was given and he was just itching to get rid of it when he got the chance? Come on. He taught the law in its pure form. Christianity wants you to believe that the law that God gave moses is evil. But he kept the law. Why didn't he just tell the people that he was doing away with the law? He didn't. Ever wonder why? It is only a misunderstanding of an apostle(Paul) that you want to believe that the law was done away with. And yes, the 4th commandment you either obey or you don't. Free will.
---William on 7/27/09


It was purely a U.S. thing as to which day we consider the first day of the week nothing more.
Our calendars revolve around the pagan work week of Monday through Friday and thus we consider Monday the first day of the week and Sunday the 7th.
---larry on 7/27/09


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For me my friends, it comes down to whether or not "everlasting" means "never ending," or "up until a certain point in time."

Sabbath was given at creation before there was an "Israel." It was kept before Sinai, after Sinai, and as Isaiah 66:22-23 states, in the New Jerusalem. Why then is it missing from practice by Christians for 2000 years? What verse states Sabbath was done away with or moved to another day?

While I once believed it was done away with or moved, I can't allow emotion (and tradition) to out weigh scripture. Sabbath is either everlasting or that was a poor choice of a word by God who called it that.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 7/27/09


I am not under ANY of the commandments. I have the Spirit of God and am lead by the Spirit.
---Gary on 7/27/09

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God Forbid! We establish the law" Romans 3:31

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God Forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1,2

1 John 3:4 Sin is the transgression of the law

What law? James 2:10-12 shows the 10 commandments. "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty".

We are not under condemnation of the law as long as we walk in Christ and keep the 10 commandments in His power.
---Gina7 on 7/27/09


jerry6593 -

Colossians 2:14 (KJV): Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,

Colossians 2:16 (NIV): Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV): For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV): By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

I am not under ANY of the commandments. I have the Spirit of God and am lead by the Spirit.
---Gary on 7/27/09


Gary: "Under the New Testament, those who have accepted Christ AND HAVE RECEIVED the Holy Spirit, do not want to kill, or steal, etc."

If you have the Holy Spirit, do you want to break the Fourth Commandment?
---jerry6593 on 7/27/09


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janze- (7-23-09) One of the most outstanding contrasts between the early Christian church & Judaism was the fact that the Christians observed Sunday as the Lord's Day, and not the Jewish sabbath.
---Betty on 7/26/09


I.

Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy,
and the commandment holy,and just, and good.

1Ti 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully,

Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith,
it saith to them who are under the law:

that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.


Notice that this verse says the law speaks to those who are under the law.
Now notice that it tells who is under the law:

"every mouth" and "all the world"

The law does work. The law is good.
---SuzieH on 7/25/09


II.

Heb 7:18-19
For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before
for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. (Levitical Priesthood)

For the law made nothing perfect, (animals blood)

but the bringing in of a better hope did, (Christ)
by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Heb 9:9
Which was a figure for the time then present,
in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices,
that could not make him that did the service
perfect, as pertaining to the conscience,

Heb 10:4
For it is not possible
that the blood of bulls and of goats
should take away sins.
---SuzieH on 7/25/09


God gave the law!
The lord, made it easier to understand! But, no one keeps it!

Lord said:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Nothing can change!)

(You can look at Saturday as the Sabbath or Sunday, or any day, what the difference. This is not, whats meant, but everyday!)

(Here)I will ask you one thing, Is it lawful (everyday) to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it? (Its the same everyday!)


And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
(Thank God, the law will not fail!)
---TheSeg on 7/25/09


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Many of those that have only religion need the law to tell them if something is right or wrong. However,they do not understand that those who have become genuine Christians have the indwelling Holy Spirit and their nature has been transformed to the point that the wrong they used to do, they now hate and the things they would not do in showing love towards others they now seek to do.

Of course, there is nothing in the new nature of the Christian that would cause one to observe the Sabbath - a ceremonial law that has no consequences if not observed. And that has been the testimony of His saints over the centuries.
---Lee1538 on 7/25/09


Isn't it better to have God's loving Spirit within you than living by laws?
*****

True Christian receive Gods loving spirit BY OBEYING Acts 5:32 which is why self professing religious christianity clings to with men and their traditions Mark 7:7 MORE than Gods Word

Sabbath is PERPETUAL (forever) Ex 31:16

Christ KEPT The Sabbath AND is LORD of the Sabbath

not one verse suggests a change of day ASK rcc THEY changed the day and all who obey their sun-day obey them NOT God

how foolish professing PROTEST-ant christians look defending the sun gods day of worship given by the pagan false church when this religious system boldly claims they changed the day ...following ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 4:4, 11:4
---Rhonda on 7/24/09


Jamison-
Heb3-4

...Seeing therefore
it remaineth that some must enter therein,
and they to whom it was first preached
entered not in because of unbelief:... (Some who came out of Egypt)

...To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts...

...There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

...For he that is entered into His rest,
he also hath ceased from his own works,
as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore
to enter into that rest,

lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

(Those who believe-obey Him.)
---SuzieH on 7/24/09


Let me try to make this easy.

Under the Old Testament the law said thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal, etc. Those that wanted to kill or steal did it anyway - they broke the law. So what good was the law? The laws didn't work, thus, the New Testament.

Under the New Testament, those who have accepted Christ AND HAVE RECEIVED the Holy Spirit, do not want to kill, or steal, etc.

Isn't it better to have God's loving Spirit within you than living by laws?

I can't judge anyone here, but some of you say things that would make one believe you do not have the Spirit living within you.
---Gary on 7/24/09


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Mike - *the 3rd commandment says REMEMBER to keep the sabbath holy. it is a reminder that god created the the universe incl. the earth in six days & rested on the seventh day.

The Sabbath rest also pointed to that rest the believer enters into upon becoming indwelt by the Spirit of God.

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, ...
---Lee1538 on 7/24/09


SuzieH - *For it had been better for them
not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Since there is a definite article before the word 'commandment' what commandment is being viewed in this verse?

Hopefully you do not view it as the 4th commandment since nowhere in the NT or in the writings of the early fathers do we see anything that promotes the observance of the Sabbath.
---Jamison on 7/24/09


It is all too easy to stand in judgment of those who wish not to walk under the curse of the law (1) but instead according to the Spirit of the Lord (2).

(1)Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

(2)2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

All their slanderous accusations concern laws from the obsolete Old Covenant -

2 Cor. 3:14 HCSB But their minds were closed. For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant, the same veil remains, it is not lifted, because it is set aside /only/ in Christ.
---Lee1538 on 7/24/09


We are saved by grace because we break the laws of God. The 4th explicitly calls the seventh day the Sabbath of the Lord. Sin is transgression of the Law rooted in unbelief. Our sins put Christ on the Cross, His love for us kept Him there till He paid the price of our sins. We are to repent of our sins and walk as sons and daughters of the living God.
---David on 7/24/09


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Samuel - You said, "Yes the Law is our Schoolmaster..." That is not what the Word says.

Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV): Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Notice the law WAS our schoolmaster, not IS our schoolmaster. The Word is clear. Once we have faith, we are NO LONGER under a schoolmaster.
---Gary on 7/24/09


Samuel - *Who or what is to tell us we are sinner now.

You may disagree but the Christian is indwelt with the Holy Spirit (1) and it is that Spirit that can be grieved (2) or quenched (3).

Our disobedience to the Lord may very well NOT be violation of specific law. It is unfortunate that those who live under the curse of the law (4) believe only that sin is a violation of law.

1)Romans 8:9b Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him

2)Eph.4:30 Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

3)1Th 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit.

4)Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:...
---Lee1538 on 7/24/09


the 3rd commandment says REMEMBER to keep the sabbath holy. it is a reminder that god created the the universe incl. the earth in six days & rested on the seventh day.
---mike on 7/24/09


Every child of God should consider every day as the sabbath. We who are saved by grace and under grace are led by the Spirit to live by the fruits of the Spirit and walk in the Spirit so others can see Christ living in and through us. We serve the Lord each and every day and bear witness that we are children of God.
---Bob on 7/23/09


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It was not changed by God, but by men.

2Pet 2:14-22
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity,
they allure through the lusts of the flesh,
through much wantonness,
those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

While they promise them liberty,
they themselves are the servants of corruption:
for of whom a man is overcome,
of the same is he brought in bondage.

For it had been better for them
not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known it,

to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
---SuzieH on 7/24/09


//mike...Jesus did not keep the Sabbath as he did many things on that day.
---SusieB on 7/22/09//

Christ gave the Sabbath at creation, and repeated it again at Mt. Sinai. He was sinless and He NEVER broke one law. He explained that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath Day. (Mat 12:12) Hebrews chapter 3 and 4 explain that there remains a rest for the people of God. States those who refused to keep the commandment were in unbelief. Hebrews also warns not to provoke God like they did in their disobedience which is listed as an example of their unbelief. It also clearly refers to the 7th day Sabbath.

Do you realize you have accused Christ of sinning?
---SuzieH on 7/24/09


Yes the Law is our Schoolmaster to bring us to JESUS CHRIST. I cannot agree more. But if the law was done away with then the school master is gone. Who or what is to tell us we are sinner now.

The Back to the Master ministry speaks much of the Ten commandments being the School Master to tell us we are sinners. So did John Wesley in his sermons about the law.

When you graduate from school do you throw out everything you learned in school? Or is that the basic knowledge on which all other learning is founded?
---Samuel on 7/23/09


JOE, I don't know where you get the idea that God "needed rest", but you are mistaken. The Bible tells us that God never tires or sleeps. We are told He rested on the 7th day from His work, as an example for us to rest not because He needed to rest. Everyday is God's day as far as I am concerned, I try to have worshipful time everyday with Him, not just on the Sabbath or Sunday. God bless.
---tommy3007 on 7/23/09


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In neither Testament (see Acts 15) were Gentiles EVER considered bound to observe any sabbath.
---Cluny on 7/23/09


Thanks very much, Gary. I was wondering if I was the only one that understood the function of the law as that schoolmaster or guardian to lead us to faith in Christ.

Ga 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Romans 1:17 For in it (the gospel) the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, The righteous shall live by faith.
---Lee1538 on 7/23/09


Janze - *The idea the early gentile church wanted to distance itself from Jewishness is very interesting.

While interesting, any good church history will reveal the conflicts in the early church between Jewish & Gentile converts.

See Acts 10 when Peter went down to see Cornelius and the flack he got from the circumcision party.

See also Acts 15 where they had to decide if Gentiles needed to become Jews upon becoming Christians,

See also Galatians 2, where we see the conflict between Peter & Paul at Antioch

Some SDA church historians contend the Gentile church no longer observed the Sabbath by the end of the 1st century, and the reason they give is Gentile converts sought to avoid persecution.
---Lee1538 on 7/23/09


Janze - *Moreover, if the young gentile church wanted to separate itself from Jewishness, it would seem that it had to create its own beliefs and practices which could suggest that those beliefs and practices would be extra-scriptural and therefore, less reliable.

In Judaism, one had to become circumcised and observe the laws of Moses including the sacrificial laws as commanded in the Torah, but we do not see that in the Gentile church.

And yes, the New Covenant of the church was a different covenant from the covenant made at Sinai.

See the allegory in Galatians 4 where Hagar represents the Old Sinaitic covenant and the Jerusalem above the covenant of grace.
---Lee1538 on 7/23/09


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Lee1538 - You got it right, Lee. And it's the same with the law of tithing. The law ended, and those who put themselves under any of the laws place themselves under all of the laws, and they shall be cursed by the law. Plain and simple, yet so many just don't get it.

Grace and the law do not mix. Period. You either accept one or the other. I accept grace.

The Word is clear that those who live by the Spirit are no longer under the law. Those who don't have the Spirit need the law to guide them.
---Gary on 7/23/09


Galatians 5:4 (NLT) For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from Gods grace.
---Gary on 7/23/09


*Read Matt. 5:17-19 and also remember, God's Torah was said by him to be "everlasting!"

Matthew 5:17f simply states that Christ fulfilled the law - the purpose for which He was sent into the world.

As to the Torah being everlasting, that pertained to the Hebrew people not to the Gentile nations.

You really need to know that you are livng under a curse if you rely on the law for anything except to reveal what your sin is.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them. Gal. 3:10
---Lee1538 on 7/23/09


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Gods eternal Sabbath changed by false church in Rome because they hated jews wanting to separate from them and God ...adopting more pagan practices merging them into Gods Holy Word they changed Gods Sabbath to sun-gods day\\

Then why does the Assyrian Church of the East, which was never part of the Roman Empire, have Sunday for its principal worship day? (Actually, as in Judaism, they hold services on all days.)
---Cluny on 7/23/09


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Lee1538

The idea that the early gentile church wanted to distance itself from Jewishness is very interesting. For the first christians were Jews, and the Holy Scriptures were Jewish and any chrsitian traditions that the gentile church would have learnt and known would have been Jewish. The very idea of christianity and its beliefs is Jewish.

Moreover, if the young gentile church wanted to separate itself from Jewishness, it would seem that it had to create its own beliefs and practices which could suggest that those beliefs and practices would be extra-scriptural and therefore, less reliable. If that was the case, changing of the seventh day Sabbath would not be scriptural and therefore, would not be God-inspired.
---Janze on 7/23/09


Jesus did not keep the Sabbath as he did many things on that day.
---SusieB on 7/22/09

1 John 3:4 sin is the breaking of the law (10 commandments)

If Jesus had sinned, and not kept the Sabbath, which is the 4th commandment, He could not have been the Perfect Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world. Perfect is perfect, He kept the Sabbath perfectly, as well as every other commandment. He overcame the devil and sin.

(What Jesus did not keep is the Jews man made rules regarding Sabbath observance which made it a burden rather than a delight)
---Gina7 on 7/22/09


Mima>>Here is some information about the old covenant also.

>>With respect, the word for NEW in Jer 31 is Chadasha and it means renewed. IN Heb. 8 when those verses are repeated, the Greek word kainos is used (means renewed) as opposed to nehos which means new.

Mima>>having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us.

>>The word translated in your version as requirement is dogma, which means civil, ceremonial, or religious law. It NEVER is used to describe God's Torah.

Read Matt. 5:17-19 and also remember, God's Torah was said by him to be "everlasting!"

Peace.
Ken
---KenRank on 7/22/09


to susie

the pharisees were looking for ways to accuse him so they were very focused on what he was doing. one was healing on the sabbath. he healed on the sabbath bec. of compassion & mercy and also asked the pharisees what will they do if a child or sheep falls in a well on the sabbath.

so if the 3rd commandment says REMEMBER the lord's day which is the sabbath then christians can worship him on saturday instead of sunday.
---mike on 7/22/09


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\\Some Roman calendars have been changed to reflect Monday as the first day of the week, but that's not surprising since it was also the Romans who sought to change the Sabbath and attempt a replacement called the Lord's Day (i.e. Sunday). \\

Wrong.
---Cluny on 7/22/09


---Betty appreciate your answer about the old covenant. Here is some information about the old covenant also.
Colossians 2:14" having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.] This explains how he has forgiven us. He fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law as well as the penalty for breaking it. It was contrary to us because it continually condemned us (II Cor. 3:9), and also because it aroused in us a desire to disobey it (Rom. 7). The language in this verse is also very clear as to the COMPLETE TERNINATION of the law of Moses." I found this comment on the Internet.
---mima on 7/22/09


Jews were always a hated people by other nations. Because of the Jewish rebellions of 70 and 135 A.D. the Gentile church sought to distance itself from its Jewish roots to avoid persecution by the Roman government.

Consequently, the Gentile church sought to rid itself of anything distinctively Jewish such as the OT Sabbath. Church historians (including some that were SDA), found that the Gentile church did not observe the OT Sabbath by the end of the 1st century. (see 'from Saturday to Sunday' by Bacchiocchi).

Nor do we find anything in the writings of the early church that promoted observance of the OT Sabbath. Apparently neither the Apostles or their successors taught Sabbath observance to the Gentile church. (Acts 15)
---Lee1538 on 7/22/09


The sabbath was part of the Old Covenant. The children of Israel broke the covenant many times, but it only took once to annul it. Isaiah 24:5 "...they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant." Jeremiah 11:10 "...the house of Israel & the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers." Hebrews 8:7 "For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." The Holy Ghost & the Apostles didn't give commandment for it to be kept (Acts 15:28-29). Most Christians now gather together on the Lord's Day-Sunday - in honor of Jesus' resurrection from the dead.
---Betty on 7/22/09


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to janze

when you read NLT,luke 23:54 'this was done on friday afternoon day of preparation as sabbath was about to begin.

As his body was taken away, the women from Galilee followed and saw the tomb where his body was placed. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and ointments to anoint his body. But by the time they were finished the Sabbath had begun, so they rested as required by the law.

however, sunday is called sabbath or the lord's day.
here is what the bible says
---mike on 7/22/09


Gods eternal Sabbath changed by false church in Rome because they hated jews wanting to separate from them and God ...adopting more pagan practices merging them into Gods Holy Word they changed Gods Sabbath to sun-gods day

when one worships on sun-day they worship rcc ...rcc BOLDLY proclaims THEY changed Gods Holy Sabbath to sunday and ALL her worship on this day worship her ...in many of their published writings they state that nothing from Gods Word changes HIS Holy Sabbath to sun-day and all her PROTEST-ant daughters observing sun-day are breaking Gods Sabbath Law to follow rcc ...it will play out well when europe unites with rcc again forming LAST Holy Roman empire watch when world bows down to her again uniting under satans sun-day
---Rhonda on 7/22/09


The sabbath has not changed.

Some Roman calendars have been changed to reflect Monday as the first day of the week, but that's not surprising since it was also the Romans who sought to change the Sabbath and attempt a replacement called the Lord's Day (i.e. Sunday).

Consider, also, that resting on the Sabbath was actually outlawed as is recorded in the 29th Canon of the Council of Laodicea in Phrygia Pacatiana (364 A.D.):

"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day, and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."
---AlwaysOn on 7/22/09


mike...Jesus did not keep the Sabbath as he did many things on that day.
---SusieB on 7/22/09


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The Jewish Sabbath - Saturday - was considered a workday except in jewish communities. And most of the early Christians were of the lower economic & social classes so it would not have been feasible to observe the jewish sabbath particularly for Gentile converts.

However, the early church gathered on the non-work day Sunday and thus Sunday became the Christian Sabbath.

We note the church historians have found that the early church no longer observed the Sabbath by the end of the 1st century. Therefore we can conclude that the Apostles and their immediate successors did not teach observance of the jewish sabbath to Gentile converts. We can easily see that in the writings of the early church.
---lee1538 on 7/21/09


The sabbath was never changed. Most European languages have "Saturday" as a phonetic form of it, i.e., in Spanish it's "sabado."

But the Sabbath was NEVER about worship. It was an enforced rest from labor that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals. Read what the commandment actually says.

Furthermore, "Sabbath" (which day means "stop work" or "cessation" in Hebrew) is applied to more days than the weekly Sabbath.

Worship was held in the Temple and later the Synagogues (and still is for observant Jews) TWICE DAILY, not just on Saturday.
---Cluny on 7/21/09


Mike:

I am unaware of any Biblical directive indicating that the Sabbath was changed. If you have any such references, I would be pleased if you could point them out.
---Janze on 7/21/09


History points to Constantine and his Bishop lead Church councils forcibly instituting Babylonian Sun-God Mithra/Tammuz & Easter demon worship calender mixed with Bible teachings.

law of excommunication for believers if they did not keep the new Roman Sun God and Babylonian Easter worship schedules. The HISTORY OF THE SABBATH AND THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, 4th Edition noted that canon 29, 49, and 51 outlined these issues.

The churches in Asia still followed the Passover celebration and resurrection of Christ. They were accused by the Roman Church leaders of Judiazing and labeled s Fourthteenthers , meaning the 14th Day of Nisan Passover.

7TH Day is,was and always will be the Lord's Day.
---Yochanan on 7/21/09


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My calendar starts with the week on Monday. So Sunday is the seventh day of the week. My advice is to buy a better calendar.
---stephen on 7/21/09


The sabbath is on saturday and as mike said we worship on the Lord's day witch is sunday. We never did away with the sabbath. We still have seven days in a week and we need a day of rest. All of us need rest! God needed rest!
---JOE on 7/21/09


to susie B

in the bible saturday is recognized as sabbath day which is the day that christ & the israelites remembered the lord's day.
---mike on 7/21/09


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