Book Of Jude Verse 6
Can anyone explain this verse? Jude Verse 6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.
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---Bob on 7/21/09
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Gina 7, I also read the same that you quoted about the angels taking women but did not want to mention that part. What I was interested in, was that some bad angels were already in chains awaiting the judgment. I said because of something they did before the flood but did not eleborate on the reason since I answered another blog concerning Gen. 6:4 and after a long study of the passages was convinced that it was talking about the sons of Seth instead of angels. When I accepted it was the sons of Seth instead of angels, it left open Jude 6 without an answer. So I am still pondering what really happen with those angels before the flood. And which answer is really correct.
---MarkV. on 8/2/09|
I also wanted to point out that the angels who sinned in Enoch and referenced in Jude 6, were referred to as "Watchers" who were supposed to be looking out after us, hence good angels. They were called Sons of God as that was the name for the angels (Job 2:1). But suddenly the Sons of God went in to the daughters of Men, and they bore them giants, men of renown. Gen 6:1-4. This is why those watcher angels are now in chains, for their terrible sin. These angels are different from the 1/3 of angels that fell previously with Satan from heaven. Those angels/demons can still roam the earth, these fallen watcher angels are not, they are in chains.
---Gina7 on 8/1/09|
Jude 14 quotes from Book of Enoch, 1:9, which is not in Bible, and Jude 6 also is explained in Enoch 15:2-6. The Book of Enoch was found in dead sea scrolls, and it is obvious from it's citations in the NT that it was known to Christ and the discriples.
The answers to what Jude is referencing from is the Book of Enoch and it explains the entire fallen angel problem. They were allured by beautiful women, and had children by them, which were the Nephilim, giants. Because of their sin, Jude 6 referenced the angels punishment for this sin. This all occurred before the flood, and almost entire world was contaminated by the genetic cross breeding, except for Noah and his family which were "perfect in their generations" Gen 6:9
---Gina7 on 8/1/09|
Leon, thank you for your answer. I guess the passage is not speaking in the past tense. "I read it over and over and it did seem to me to be past tense. even looked at five different commentaries and they all say they are in chains already, but they could be wrong. I believe Bob who posted the question up also believed they were in chains already. I will move on Leon, blessings from California
---MarkV. on 7/30/09|
This verse is describing Satan and his demons. They are all fallen angels, who will be judged by Christ on Judgement Day.
---Leslie on 7/30/09|
MarkV: I'm listening & do hear you. Are you listening to what you're saying? :) Your comments don't correspond to what the Bible says?
Where specifically does the Bible say,"... some...not all of them were put in chains."? You can't make Scripture say some are & some aren't bound in hell. The Bible doesn't say that. You misunderstand the meaning of key words (reserved, chains, darkness, deep) & how they fit together to form a contextural word picture.
You believe some "bad angels" are already in hell & others aren't. I believe all bad angels (including Satan) are destined for hell but aren't there yet. So, there's a real gulf between our minds. :)
---Leon on 7/30/09|
Leon, you are not listening. One third of the angels went with Satan. Ok?
Out of those angels that went with Satan, some were put in chains already. Not all of them are on chains since many are roaming around. But not the one's mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4,5 are already in chains. That was my point. Something they did cause God to already put those in chains.
If you do not agree with that interpretation, then can you explain why did He say, "they were, in the past tense, casted them down to hell and delivered them into chains." What it tells me is that this already happen, not that it will happen.
---MarkV. on 7/29/09|
MarkV:) Since, "ALL the bad angels [BAs] followed Satan," doesn't that mean they ALL "sinned" & are ALL hellbound (destined)?
Do you think the chains holding the BAs are iron or some other super strong substance? I believe the term "chains" is a metaphor indicating ALL wicked spirits (ALL BAs, INCLUDING SATAN) are now confined/bound (chained) IN THE EARTH REALM since being vanquished from God's heavenly realm.
Some people in the Bible were ( & in the world today are) demon possessed. How's that possible if ALL BAs are chained in hell?
Again, what was Legion afraid of when Jesus cast them out of the possessed man? (Mk. 5:7-13 & Lk. 8:26-33)
---Leon on 7/29/09|
Leon, all the bad angels followed Satan. That is a fact. But some angels were kept lock up as 2 Peter 2:4,5. "For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment," This angels are been kept in chains already. There are many discriptions as to why they are been kept in chains but Peter in this passages is giving three illustrations of past divine judgments on the wicked. Though God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked He must judge wickedness because His Holiness requires it (2 Thess. 1:7-9).
---MarkV. on 7/28/09|
"[These] angels did something very wrong before the flood. God [dealt] with them different[ly] [than] the other angels." MarkV 7/26
Are there two distinct groups of angels who rebelled against God? If one group followed Lucifer (Jude 1:6 & 2 Pt. 2:4-5), what's the origin of "the other group of angels"?
RESERVED (Jude & 2 Peter): The word implies booking a reservation, like at a restaurant, a hotel, etc., for a future date. God made reservation for judgment of rebel angels. The devils (demons, rebel angels), in Mk. 5:7-13 & Lk. 8:26-33, were afraid Jesus would judge & cast them from the man into the "DEEP" (abyss, the bottomless pit, HELL).
---Leon on 7/27/09|
Leon, that was a great answer you just gave. Not many here will say they were wrong. There is nothing wrong with saying we have something wrong.
This angels Jude 6 were angels "that left their own abode, and God has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness of the judgment of the great day"
They were not the same angels that roam around now. They are different angels who are also mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4-5 "For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserve for judgment"
This angels did something very wrong before the flood. God dealed with them different then the other angels.
---MarkV. on 7/26/09|
Ignatius: Thanks for the correction. I was intentionally wrong about Jude 1:6 not being Angels. I just wanted to see who was paying attention. (Pv. 23:23) Sorry Bob. :)
Read in context with the whole writing of Jude, it's obvious He was using as an example the Lucifer led angelic rebellion in heaven to highlight the problem of ungodly people rebeling in the church of his day.
Specifically, Jude 1:6 does refer to "fallen angels". I believe Jude's contrasting idea was to show the similarity of end result consequences for rebellion whether in heaven or in the church. See Jude 1:6 & 1:13. Six speaks of fallen angels. Thirteen focuses on ungodly people within the church then & now.
---Leon on 7/24/09|
Sounds to me like this refers to the angels that followed the angel Lucifer in his rebellion against God and subsequent fall from Heaven. It is generally believed that Lucifer is Satan and his lesser angels are the demons or evil spirits that inflict and sometimes possess humans.
There's no way to prove it, but this explanation seems to fit the context.
---Donna66 on 7/23/09|
Any attempt to find a biblical explanation within the parimeters of biblical research for this specific question will create additional questions and adds confusion.
There is ,for me ,an alternate answer that I discovered yet is outside of bible only searches and is with minimal confusion.
This occurence(the Lucifer rebellion)the defection,a disloyal act of self will by a multitude of various non human personalities are now charged with rebellion and are awaiting trial in detention concerning their total extermination.
---earl on 7/23/09|
To add,Faith sons and daughters here on earth and there in heaven have a responsibility and to act disloyal to God's will only brings extinction of personality.
---earl on 7/23/09|
Leon. There is nothing in the text to suggest such a interpretation. Jude 6 was talking about Angels, not ungodly men. Saint Peter mention the same thing in 2 Peter 2:4, and neither texts give us any indicatation that they was talking about anything but Angels who sinned (somehow) and was cast into Tartarus (prison) by God.
Your interpretation of the text is odd.
---Ignatius on 7/23/09|
The answer given by---1st_cliff is also the understanding I have of this verse.
---mima on 7/22/09|
Bob: When read in proper context (from beginning to end) the book of Jude is self-explanatory. Jude 1:6 is not speaking of heavenly angels. The "angels" mentioned by Jude were/are ungodly men (messengers/false teachers,wayward pastors, unbelieving false prophets, "creeps") who turn(ed) the grace of God into lasciviousness (all kinds of lustful works of the flesh, i.e., arrogance & sexual immorality, making claims of having superior knowledge apart from the word & will of God, self-indulgent people out to make merchandise of true believers & get what they can get for themselves, rebels against God-given authority, etc.).
---Leon on 7/22/09|
Well, it shows that angels can leave what God has for them, and become "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day." (Jude 6) And we have how "Michael the archangel," "dared not bring aganst [Satan] a reviling asccusation", in Jude 9. So, I can see that, in bad-mouthing even Satan, Michael would have been leaving his proper domain as an angel. So, we need to be careful about dissing ones in secular authority. Our proper domain is to have caring hope for all people, and therefore pray
*for* ones who are wrong > 1 Timothy 2:1-3, Romans 13:1-8, not criticizing and disrespecting our secular authority people. And arguing is not in the domain of love (Philippians 2:14).
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/22/09|
Perhaps it relates to the many rooms of my father referred to by Jesus. Perhaps God is keeping them bound there until the great day.
Not keeping to their domain could mean these angels came here and caused trouble once before but not any more though.
---stephen on 7/21/09|
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Bob, These are the Angels that came down to earth (materialized themselves a human body)an married women and fathered the Nephilim.
When the flood came and drowned the Nephilim ,they de-materialized but could not return to heaven .God has placed them in Tartarus (for judgement) as stated!
Angels have been seen to materialize as humans on many occasions in the OT.
---1st_cliff on 7/21/09|