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Mankind wants to do their own will, and not God's will. Why are Christians the same way when Jesus Christ said, "Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and don't do the things I say?"

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As long as the Kingdom evangel was still being offered, Paul was faithful to minister it as well. When Israel fully rejected the Kingdom evangel in Rome, the seat of Gentile power, the Kingdom offer to Israel ceased, and the evangel of grace to the nations became the only evangel of God [Acts 28:26-28].

Paul was not commissioned by Christ to baptize [1C 1:17]

The Lord needed no baptism, yet He did so to fulfill righteousness.

Likewise Paul baptized only a few, in order to satisfy "the law".

Water baptism is not a part of Paul's message, which he received from God, and not men.

Peter received his evangel from the Man, Christ Jesus.

Rightly divide.
---Phil on 1/6/13


"For Christ does not commission me to be baptizing, but to be bringing the evangel, not in wisdom of word, lest the cross of Christ may be made void."

Co-death with Christ is not part of the Kingdom evangel of the Twelve apostles. It will have twelve men ruling over the rest.

It is subjection to the King, and takes place on earth. It shall come to pass, according to God's promise.

It is based upon repentance, water baptism, and works.

James said, "faith apart from works is dead."

Paul said,"For we are reckoning a man to be justified by faith apart from works of law."

Paul's evangel leads to heaven, in spirit, not on earth, with all being equal as the messengers of God.
---Phil on 1/6/13


---Phil on 1/5/13
PETER: Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

PAUL: 1 Corinthians 1:16 And I BAPTIZED also the household of Stephanas:
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commands all men every where to REPENT:
Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, REPENTANCE toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night,.. and was BAPTIZED,

From what I posted BOTH peter and Paul taught repentance, and both of them baptized NO DIFFERENCE
---francis on 1/6/13


---francis on 1/5/13

Ac 2:38 Now Peter is averring toward them, "Repent and be baptized each of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the pardon of your sins, and you shall be obtaining the gratuity of the holy spirit.

Pardon is revokable. Justification is not.

Repentance and baptism is necessary for salvation in the Kingdom evangel, Paul's evangel does not require repentance and baptism. In it, God justifies the ungodly while they are yet sinners.

Matthew 5-7 speaks of the commandment the Lord requires of His disciples.

We are not under those strictures, according to Paul's evangel.

I suspect contention is your preference to seeking truth.
---Phil on 1/5/13


The Circumcision evangel is based upon God's covenant with Abraham (Gen.17:10).



The evangel proclaimed by Paul removes the law, but Peter's evangel does not.
---Phil on 1/5/13

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Acts 15:7 Peter rose up, and said unto them,...And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

As you see from Paul's letters, and Paters word NONE of them had a gospel based on LAW, it was ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH

They has the exact same gospel
---francis on 1/5/13




---francis on 1/5/13
One evangel saves for the kingdom of the prophets on the earth, the other for the ecclesia which is Christ's body among the celestials.

The Circumcision evangel is based upon God's covenant with Abraham (Gen.17:10).

The Circumcision evangel does not deal with the ultimate meaning and value of the death and resurrection, nor of the cross of Christ.

Jesus came to a people related to God by a covenant and by a form of knowledge and truth in the law (Rom.2:20). Thus, the ministry of the Lord asserted that He came not to demolish the law (Matt.5:17). Nor were others to teach the annulling of law (Matt.5:19).

The evangel proclaimed by Paul removes the law, but Peter's evangel does not.
---Phil on 1/5/13


---francis on 1/5/13

Under the terms of Peter's evangel, Saul ought to have been exterminated (Acts 3:23)

The circumcision apostles, because of their position, as dispensers of blessing through Israel, could not fully grasp Paul's secret evangel, which brought grace to the nations apart from Israel.

" according to my evangel, through Jesus Christ." If it was the same gospel, by what authority did Paul call it his evangel?

Ga 2:7-8 But, on the contrary, perceiving that I have been entrusted with the evangel of the Uncircumcision, according as Peter of the Circumcision (for He Who operates in Peter for the apostleship of the Circumcision operates in me also for the nations).

Do you need more?
---Phil on 1/5/13


If sincere, I will post again for your benefit.
---Phil on 1/4/13
please do so,. I sincerely want to know what was different about Paul's Gospel
---francis on 1/5/13


Many reject Apostle Paul and wrongly associate with Christianity. Lord Jesus said many would come in his name preaching another gospel and many do when slandering the Lords chosen Apostles.

by creating a non-biblical position discrediting Apostle Paul it offers the perfect example of doing ones own will

By rejecting portions of holy scripture or add in ideas and reject Gods warning to not add to his word. Each time one does his own will and decides his ways are better than Gods Word they create doctrines of demons.

The Lord asked why call me Lord (Master) yet do not do as I say. If you reject portions of holy scripture you reject the Lord and what he says to do your will and recreate the Word of God by your will.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/4/13


Please show us with scripture, how Pauls message / gospel is any different from that of the other apostles
---francis on 12/30/12

I have consistently supplied the evidence in all my posts. Any who would choose to do so may review my statements, and see the lengths I have gone to and the passages proving my position.

Creeds, sects, and tradition are not easily forsaken. These things prevent maturity.

Much personal sacrifice must be made to enter into the deeper things of God. God does not welcome any appeals to the words of men in defending what He has spoken.

We rely on the living God.

If sincere, I will post again for your benefit.
---Phil on 1/4/13




elena, when I had my thyroid out, may they took out half and june the other half. I got a double whammy on my vocal chords. people would call me and it took every piece of energy I had to talk on the phone for five minutes. it is the worst thing I have ever been thru. the surgery on my throat never hurt but the back of my neck was such awful pain. I was begging them for relief. they couldn't understand why my throat didn't hurt buy my neck did. I found out they bend your head as far back as they can without breaking it and tape your head to the table. If I had it to do over, I would not do the surgery but I would take radiation pills. elena, you are a sweet person and I love your post.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


Hello,Shira4368,really believe you have a wonderfull way with your posts, just like praise God, I am a singer (can sing glory to God) but I can not speak on the fon..and my voice too deep. I love to sing accapella.But I no longer talk on the phone.Tell people send me a text.
Thanks! Love of jesus!
---ELENA on 1/3/13


Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
---francis on 1/3/13


sometimes we don't know what the will of God is for our lives. I thought God had opened a door to sing but 3 years later I got cancer of the thyroid. had surgery and lost my voice. couldn't even talk for about 1 1/2 years. I still can't talk very well. I don't understand bad things happen to good people. I am not referring to myself but others I have seen with the same thing as I experienced. my pastor ask us to sing last sunday night and I told him I would try but would probably fall on my face. God blessed us that day. accappella.....Jesus Savior Pilot Me.
---shira4368 on 1/3/13


Phil on 12/30/12
Please show us with scripture, how Pauls message / gospel is any different from that of the other apostles
---francis on 12/30/12


"Had all Israel repented as per John's testimony and requirements, the Lord would have been received as their King, and Heir to David's throne." Phil

"Had, requirements"? Was it not the will of the Father that Israel would reject Christ? "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPPOINTED." 1 Peter 2:8. Understand the meaning of "appointed"?

Yours is nothing but a foolish theory even though Peter has revealed to us the reason and cause of their disobedience.

Simply put, you are advocating salvation is by works and not grace.
---christan on 12/31/12


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---Phil on 12/30/12

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

It was more than one gentile and they all uncircumcised prooving they were not proselytes, but gentiles

Also the Samaritans, the Ethiopians treasurer and many more non jews were all saved before paul.

You are dead wrong on this issue.

Also the church at Rome, have both Jews and gentiles was not founded by Paul but by other Apostles
---francis on 12/30/12


Scripture records Peter going to one Gentile household, a proselyte, and no others.

That "many non jews come to accept Jesus as the messiah" through the preaching of the Twelve is conjecture apart from knowledge of the Scripures

Chapter 15 also shows the usurper James (Jesus' brother in the flesh and not an apostle), giving commands to the nations as if he were an apostle.

Any attempt to find the body of Christ in the Book of Acts will be a short search.

The Acts of the Apostles is a Jewish record of failure, and the partial unfolding of Paul's evangel.

Today's ecclesia is only found in Paul's letters.
---Phil on 12/30/12


Francis: Why do you call "Lord, Lord", but then don't do what he says?

You preach righteousness by works of the law thus showing your unbelief in Jesus, rejecting God's will.
John 6:40
"this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and BELIEVES in Him may have everlasting life"

BTW, Christians WERE sanctified by Christ's ONE offering, Heb 10:10.

How do we overcome the world?
1John 5:4,5
"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVES that Jesus is the Son of God?"
---Haz27 on 12/30/12


---Phil on 12/30/12
Are you saying that the gospel went to the jews FIRST and only after the Jews rejected Jesus did the gospel go to the nations?

I think that I have missunderstood you. I thought that you were saying that no one went to the gentles before Paul.

I also missunderstood you, believing that you said that Paul's message was different than the other apostles, and is the only message that saves today

On the first one, you are correct, that is a biblical prophecy.

On the other two if that is what you said, you are dead wrong as I have previously posted
---francis on 12/30/12


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"Without God's providence of the person in Paul to the Gentiles, we would never have known what salvation by God is."

Had all Israel repented as per John's testimony and requirements, the Lord would have been received as their King, and Heir to David's throne.

A new heart and mind would have been given to them, as the Prophet Jeremiah foretold, and they would have dreamed dreams and seen visions as Joel proclaimed.

They would have become the kings and priests of the Most High, and inherited the heathen nations as promised.

We would be going through them as the mediators, not the Crucified One.

We would know salvation from wrath and judgment through their priestly offices.
---Phil on 12/30/12


"before Paul many non jews come to accept Jesus as the messiah of the world" francis

Why do you keep on saying "accepting" when there's not a single account of such an event in the Scriptures? Scripture says that those who believe is because they are God's elect and were being called by the grace of God.

Here, read "and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48

To begin with, Paul never went to Christ to be saved, rather he was on his way to persecute and kill Christians. His conversion is written in Acts 9 and I never came across anything like he had to "accept" Jesus Christ to be saved.

This "accepting" thing is all nonsense.
---christan on 12/30/12


In most churches, people are taught justification:
The imputing or crediting to us of the righteousness of christ when we believe.
Justification is given so that we do not have to face the penalty of sin.

What is not properly taught is sanctification: Christ in us to strengthen us so that we can overcme sin in our mortal bodies
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Jesus did not only die to save us from the penalty of sin, the second death, but he died so that we could be overcomers in this world in our mortal bodies
---francis on 12/30/12


The assumption that Jewish believers attempted to fulfill the commission of Mt 28:19 has no truth to it. Only gentiles "at the gate", proselytes, were reached, and few at that.

In fact, the Scriptures prove otherwise and contrary:

Ac 11:19 clearly states the Jewish believers "travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only."

Read that again, NONE but Jews only, no gentiles.

Any evidence outside what is Written is falsification.

Until all Israel heard the Kingdom evangel of the Twelve, Paul's efforts included, no Jews went to the nations with the Gospel.
---Phil on 12/30/12


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christan on 12/29/12
I posted that Paul was " johnny come lately" to the gospel. I pointed out that long before Paul was converted that many gentiles were already accepting the gospel and been saved.
This was my correct responce to phil who posted:
"Until Paul was commissioined to us, the nations, the Lord spoke to no one but His people Israel. All His words were to them and for them. Only Paul has truth for today."
---Phil on 12/28/12

Phil was deal wrong, before Paul many non jews come to accept Jesus as the messiah of the world, through the preaching of the apostles. Peter was the very first called by God to go to the gentiles as pointed out in acts 15

Do you now understand what I am saying?
---francis on 12/30/12


--John
1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, and have OVERCOME them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The spirit of Christ in me, is greater than the devil, and the spirit of God is given to every believer to bring them to obedience to God. Not to obey some of his laws, but ALL of them. The spirit makes no place for sin.

Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness... and servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

So the obedience to the laws of God, holy living, is a result of having the spirit in me. I am not born again because I keep the ten commandments, but because I am born of the spirit, I keep the ten commandments
---francis on 12/30/12


Francis, so your answer is that it is possible for you and the SDA's to keep all the laws of God? Is that correct? You say you know you are born again because you keep the commandments. Without going into detail about all the laws of God, how about only the Ten Commandments, are you able to keep them all perfect?
---John on 12/30/12


francis, if you are particularly talking about salvation, no Christian will ever tell you that Paul is the author of salvation. So be clear with your blog and that's because you were speaking about Paul's conversion.

What was revealed to Paul by the Lord Jesus Christ in his epistles is how a sinner is saved by God and what the OT teachings were actually pointing to and what some of them were symbolic of to the spiritual.

Without God's providence of the person in Paul to the Gentiles, we would never have known what salvation by God is. So, Paul's conversion is merely prove that he was an elect of God and never an issue about salvation, which is a given if you're an elect of God.
---christan on 12/29/12


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---christan, Acts 15:7 Peter is referring to the incident on the roof where he had the vision and went to Cornelius' house ( a gentile)_ preached the word and Cornelius' house was " saved." Pater said that he was THE FIRST apostle to go to the gentiles

Acts 8:35 After the death of stephen, before the conversion of Paul, when the apostles were scattered as a result of stephens death, it was then that philip met the ethiopian treasurer (A GENTILE) and the gentile was "saved."

Both of these events, along with the Samaritians coming to Jesus occured before Paul's conversion

POINT: Many non-jews were saved before Paul started his missionary journeys

Paul is " johnny come lately"
---francis on 12/29/12


John: John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

While I studied, I never lost faith in the blood of Jesus or what he did on the cross.

My issue was not faith in God, it was knowing the truth about God, and doing his will.

why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 6:46

How does one know that He is born again or that he knows God?
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 12/29/12


Francis, you quoted James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin".

But if you note the context of James 4 you will see it refers to the likes of you.

James 4:4 addressing SPIRITUAL adulterers (under the law instead of grace).

Verse 11,12 confirming that it speaks of those under the law.

And verse 7,8 even makes a salvation call to them.

To do good, that verse 17 speaks of, is to believe in Jesus. Salvation by grace.
Unbelief in Jesus is the sin that the world is convicted of, John 16:9
---Haz27 on 12/29/12


francis, by virtue of your understanding and testimony of "This was years before Paul became a Christian" after quoting Acts 15:7, why would we be compelled to believe what you say is truth?

You can't even get it right the chronological of Paul's conversion even when it's declared in the Scripture. According to Scriptures, Paul was converted to a Christian in Acts 9, which means by Acts 15, he was already a Christian.

The events in Acts is definitely just after the death and resurrection of Christ, not the epistles - notice the sequence? And Paul was converted in Acts not the epistles.

And you underestimate the power of the Spirit in Paul's life.
---christan on 12/29/12


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---trey on 12/29/12
Romans 2:14 when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law,... shew the work of the law written in their hearts,...

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent

I believe that by the grace and mercies of God those who are ignorant * have a sinscere desire, but taught faslesy" will be saved, While those who have been made aware of the truth, and do not repent, will not be saved

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

That being said, the ONE TRUE CHURCH: are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12
---francis on 12/29/12


Francis, you said after five years you became an SDA. How does a person become an SDA? You must mean you became a member of the SDA denomination right? So my question is, were you born of the Spirit while a catholic, or while the five years of studying, or after you became a member of the SDA denomination? And how do you know you are born of God now?
---John on 12/29/12


francis, I have two questions for you:
#1 Do you believe God will condemn someone who had a sincere desire to worship God but had been taught a false doctrine?

#2 How do you reconcile you statements with the following verse:
Mt16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

By the way, the word Peter mean pebble. Christ is the rock!

My belief is that there is one other church that has been around even longer than the RCC and it is the true church.
---trey on 12/29/12


n 1517, Luther published his 95 theses. That is about 495 years ago.

So for more than 1000 years many people were following teachings that they did not know were false. they had no bible, they did not know any better. As a result, they could not do the will of God. For 1000+ years people desiring to serve God grew up not knowing, and thus not doing the will of God

When Luther came about, and wrote his thesis, that gradually began to change. As people find truths contrary to what was taught for 1000+ years they separate themselves from the RCC, Lutheran, Methodist and so on, and form new denominations

The problem is, they separate still maintaining many of the 1000+ years of false doctrine
---francis on 12/28/12


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---Phil on 12/28/12
Acts 15:7 Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.... And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God... and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.


This was years before Paul became a Christian

Paul is " johnny come lately" When it comes to the Gospel

1 Corinthians 15:8-10
---francis on 12/28/12


The animal sacrifice in the OT was pointing to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ that was to come as prophesied.

Now that the prophecy is fulfilled, all this discussion about animal sacrifice is nothing but a waste of time and space here.
---christan on 12/28/12


Rom14:14
---trey on 12/28/12
This is not speaking of the dietary laws of clean and unclean.

1 Corinthians 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

This addresses the idea from some christians, that if an animal is offered to an idol, and then it's meat sold in the market place, that that animal is unclean

1 Corinthians 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
---francis on 12/28/12


"Until Paul was commissioined to us, the nations, the Lord spoke to no one but His people Israel." Phil

Talk about dividng the Word - you have completely cut it up into pieces with your "cleaver of wisdom". Here's why:

Were Adam, Abel, Enoch, Noah and mainly Abraham - Israelites? Guess what? They were not! Yet the Lord spoke to them, so your point of "the Lord spoke to no one but His people Israel." is nothing but a fallacy and more importantly a lie.

Even when God spoke to Israel, He spoke through the prophets and never directly to the people. Ever wondered why through the prophets and not directly to them?
---christan on 12/28/12


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---trey on 12/28/12
No problems. Let me first take the one from Acts. Here is the ONE AND ONLY BIBLE GIVING interpretation:
Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

In addition Acts 15:20..
Abstainng from meats strangled, and blood are parts of the dietary laws

1 Timothy 4:4-5
All NT passages that says: it is written, or word of God are referencing the books of the OT

Paul here is saying to Timothy that people can eat anything that is sanctiied by the word of God IE what is in the dietary laws
---francis on 12/28/12


Let us be clear. The nations, or Gentiles in KJV, is us.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh--who are termed "Uncircumcision" by those termed "Circumcision," in flesh, made by hands

Divide the word correctly.

"...that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.

Until Paul was commissioined to us, the nations, the Lord spoke to no one but His people Israel. All His words were to them and for them. Only Paul has truth for today.

Until this is understood and correctly divided, doctrinal error will persist.
---Phil on 12/28/12


Hi francis,

How do you intepret the following in light of your beliefs?
Acts10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Ac10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
Act10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Rom14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Not picking a fight, just asking.
---trey on 12/28/12


"The Lord was talking to His people Israel when He said these words. He was not talking to us." Phil

And you seriously think the Gentiles are spared from "Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and don't do the things I say?"

Christ prophesied "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

And I assure you that multitudes of Jews up till now does not even recognize Christ as Lord. Or they wouldn't have hated and crucified Him. So who are those who's prophesied calling Christ "Lord, Lord"?

Answer: false christians.
---christan on 12/28/12


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let me ask you, how do you find a church?
---shira4368 on 12/28/12

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I grew up as a Roman catholic ( no regrets) i desperately wanted to be a Roman catholic priest

I started studying the bible, after I was told that christians do not eat crabs.

Once I found it in the bible, my defence was the same as othes:r NT not OT. I was then shown in the bible, that Jesus is the same yesterday today adn forever. I BELIEVED THAT

After 5 years of indep bible study and visiting churches asking to see thier statemnt of faith and doctrinal beliefs and comparing it to the bible. I became a SDA
---francis on 12/28/12


I have studied my bible for over 60 years and I know when icabod is written over a church and there are many. I visited different churches and most are cold, unspiritual and dead. if you think the mega churches are spiritual, just go to one and you will have all the entertainment you will ever need. one couple said "we have been trying to find something for our kids to do." "what can your church do for my kids?". my pastor answered them saying "I will ask you what can you do for the church". my pastor also told them their kids would get the truth from the pulpit. let me ask you, how do you find a church? I look for a church where the Spirit of God works, where we love the brethren and where truth is taught.
---shira4368 on 12/28/12


it took me a long time to find a church where true doctrine was taught.
---shira4368 on 12/26/12

Nice, now please tell us about your process of choosing that particular church.

here is what I would like to know

1: Did you first study the bible, compare it to what that particular churches teaches, compare it to what other churches teach and THEN make that church your choice

OR

2: Did you start going to that church first and then later decided that that church teaches the truth

3: What was the reason you choose to attent that church for the first time?
---francis on 12/27/12


francis, do you make blanket judgements against christians and southern churches? actually you do not know what you are talking about. have you ever been to an "on fire church" in the south? I don't mean snake handling nor passing out at a touch of someone's hand. I am talking about Godly music and Godly preaching. no tongues, no word of knowledge but just old time worship. maybe you should come down to the south and try it, you may like it.
---shira4368 on 12/26/12


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francis, give people a little credit for what they choose. it took me a long time to find a church where true doctrine was taught. see, people make fun of little southern churches. they call us fanatics, dumb, loud and we live in the past. I am thankful to be part of a church who loves the old time gospel.
---shira4368 on 12/26/12


francis, I hope you don't really believe people believe as their parents did.
---shira4368 on 12/25/12

The vast majority of christians do have the same denominational beliefs as their parents. Most people still atent the same church their parents did

some have in later years chosen to believe or attend the church of a spouse pr close friend.

Very very few people choose a denomination because they first studied the bible, them decided that that denomination did teach exactly as is in the bible

Most tend to choose the church first, THEN believe and defend the doctrine

This is the result of the ban on the bible before luther
---francis on 12/26/12


The Lord was talking to His people Israel when He said these words. He was not talking to us.
---Phil on 12/23/12

This is a very very bad arguement.
There is no letter to The Americans, The Franks, the British, the German's, the Spaniards, the Canadians etc.

So I could say that this is for the romans only, or this is for teh galations only, or this is for the corithians only, or this si for the ephesians only, he was not talking to Canadians.
---francis on 12/26/12


in 1517, Luther published his 95 theses. That is about 495 years ago.

Image that for more than 1000 years, christians did not know what was really in the bible. take for instance " the just shall live by faith" which is 3 times in the bible, christians did not know about that and lived through indulgence.

Most denominations today are protestant, who are formed luke lutherans not on a total search of the bible for doctrinal truths, but rather on protest of one or more false teachings of the RCC.

This is why so many people are still saying " lord Lord, and not doing as God says, many of them do not know, and it is hard to get them out of their traditions
---francis on 12/26/12


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francis, I hope you don't really believe people believe as their parents did. I know two catholics who were saved then their family turned on them. they are members of my church. I am also thankful for parents who taught me right, prayed for me and carried me to church. I will always be greatful and thankful for my parents teaching me the right way.
---shira4368 on 12/25/12


---Betty on 7/31/09
At one point in time, the " church" thought it best to take the bible out of the hands of the average person. This was done because of the teaching that Jesus was not God / diety.
As a result of this, the " church" taught that truth is not what the bible says, but rather truth is what the church said.
In an attempt to secure the Roman Empire, The " church" then mingled paganism with christianity, and asked christians to stay as far away from judism as posible

The result was a form of christianity which said lord lord, and though that what they did was from the lord, but it was not
This continued well past Luther and to this day most christians simple do as thier parents did
---francis on 12/24/12


The Lord was talking to His people Israel when He said these words. He was not talking to us.

From Sinai to Olivet, Israel refused to follow the Shepherd.

He had come in flesh to offer divine aid to them, to help them, still they refused Him.

For any man to do the will of God, the presence and power of God is needed. It cannot be done apart from God superimposing Himself on us.

This can only come through dying with Christ, and becoming a new creation in His Son's image, which is the gospel message that Paul preached alone.
---Phil on 12/23/12


Sis. Elena, the passage that mentions "Why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and don't do the things I say" is found in Luke 6:46). This another passage found in the parable of the two foundations. What it is saying is, "it is not sufficient to give lip service to Christ's lordship. Genuine faith produces obedience. A tree is known by it's fruits (v.14)." The reason many do not help others is because many are not saved at all. They only give lip service to Christ but never do good works. And (Eph. 2:10) tells us that all genuine Christians,
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus "for good works" which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12


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For me, one of the hard to realize that we have people here who will not visit the sick, or the people who probably elderly no family left..
It came home to me, some years ago when my mother died. I was like a lamb lost.I will not mention the church's only tell you..later they all summed it up to this...".well,truth we did not visit you because you are not our race" I was hurt. We need to be real! Love our neighbors & our fellow church brothers & sisters. We would NOT have had forgiveness nor redemption had God been that way! I got over it but a point. Church time to love & be genuine.
---ELENA on 12/20/12


Hello,try my best here,hope I get it right,we still have our sin nature, if we catch ourselves,we can get before the lord ask forgiveness, we can't hide nothing from him,yes,it is true for many for whatever reason, many of us like myself, (not everyone) but we need structure.We need to be around other believe the lord. I am still pray about the home.church, it sounds good idea to me.pray God lead me, have good days n others not say ...God good everytime.
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---ELENA on 9/28/12


One of the main reasons for following our own will is a lack of understanding what God's will really is. A second key reason is lack of submission - when His will differs from mine it gets difficult (i.e., as long as He wants me to do what I want to do it is easy!).
A truly excellent book on this subject is "Thy Will Be Done On Earth" by Robert Russell. I would highly recommend it to all Christians regardless of their physical or spiritual maturity.
---Lawrence on 8/18/09


I agree about humility. I was called to humility recently when I was moved from an office to a cubicle at work. I pray that my love for the Lord is too deep to let this affect His calling in my life!
---timothy on 8/8/09


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Betty, I know of two things that ARE God's will that perhaps you should consider. One is humility. The other is love. Just a suggestion--seriously.
---Mary on 8/5/09


Christians want to do their will because of PRIDE and IDOLITRY (making themselves God).
---Leslie on 8/5/09


Gods will is that none should perish,thats why he sent his son to die for us.Thats why he gave us the gift of eternal life,of salvation thru jesus.Yes as disciples we are to daily crucify our flesh,to obey Gods word,and with the help of the holy spirit,getting our guidance and strength from above,live our lives covered by grace thru jesus,because we cant do a thing to save ourselves.
---tom2 on 8/4/09


Betty, do you really know what God's will is? I'd like to know what YOU think God's will is....
I'll give you some hints:
Take up thy cross and follow Him. Deny yourself, your fleshly desires, and unless a seed falls into the ground and dies, it shall have no life in itself. Tell me Betty, what that means?

How about when Paul said, I die daily. To what Betty?

How about don't repay evil for evil, or insult for insult, are you doing that?

Are you forgiving everyone who has wronged you? Are you keeping your mouth shut when the Holy Spirit doesn't want you to say something to someone? These are all part of God's will and there's more......
---anon on 8/3/09


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Jesus said do not be caught up in this world! Thats the hard part right there.
Read and study the bible and disapline yourself.
---jim on 8/2/09


Betty, Donna is correct in her answer. Different people see different things depending on what is in their hearts and mind and act on those feelings. Just as you did when you told me to park my car in hell. All I did was answer you kindly to what I thought in my heart was truth, and you answered that way because you didn't like my answer. You think that saying that to someone, is morally ok and I don't. What you do now is make the comments without thinking they are wrong. You have become accustom saying it, that now you say it to others and it doesn't seem morally wrong to you. So yes, we do have a different view of what is right and what is wrong.
---MarkV. on 8/2/09


Maybe because Jesus also said, "Do not call me good. Only One is good, and that is the One who is in Heaven." ???
---amand6348 on 8/1/09


For once I agree with Cluny. Betty, are you talking about yourself? The Lord's will is the priority at our house.
---SusieB on 8/1/09


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I believe that I'm doing God's will when I'm given the opportunity to witness for Him. I also believe that I'm doing God's will when I'm tempted to look at my own needs and feelings instead to looking to the Lord and continuing to witness for Him. I also believe that I'm doing God's will when I suffer persecution for His sake as a result. Always believe that the Lord works everything to the good - beyond our human understanding.
---Timothy on 8/1/09


Man is this way because God said that with our free will, NONE will choose God.
---Leslie on 8/1/09


I concur. I'm at the point in my life that I'm doing what God tells me or dying in the process. There is no point to participating in the sick society that is America. 95% of them are probably going to Hell.
---stephen on 8/1/09


Betty, I'm curious what you mean by "not God's will". Are we measuring by what people do outwardly, and how we ourselves have decided certain things must be morally . . . and outwardly . . . culturally . . . with copy-cat religious acting? Or, are we thinking about how God wants us in our souls with Him? Yes, I'd say there are people called "Christians", who do not do God's will and do not even understand what is God's will . . . how He wants us to be living *within* ourselves, relating with Him intimately in His own Heavenly peace, and sharing in this with others who are Jesus Family people, plus caring about all others becoming adopted into this > Colossians 3:1-17. "The chicken comes before the egg (o: "
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/1/09


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betty,another relationship with lip aervice only.most people live by the flesh ,and not the spirit.
---tom2 on 8/1/09


Reason #1 Christians are human. They cannot usually get victory in every area at once.

Reason #2 Not all Christians get the same meanings out of the same scriptures. What one interprets as "God's will", another might not. What one sees as "sin" another may not. The Holy Spirit is responsible to teach each individual Christian what that person most needs to know.

#3 Salvation is always God's will.
But the directions He guides individuals after that are far from identical.

The question, "why do ye call me Lord and don't do the things I say?" is a question all must answer to the Lord. Not to you.
---Donna66 on 7/31/09


Speak for yourself, betty.
---Cluny on 7/31/09


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