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Last Days Deceptions

The Bible says in the last days that deception, doctrines of demons, and damnible doctrines would be on the scene. This also includes people in the church who say they are Christians, but are of the devil. We need to have our spirit eyes open and be discerning. Comments?

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Alan of UK-- I spoke to your first concern on 8/24.
No, in the UK you do no miss out on treatments because YOU can't afford it...but rather because the government considers it too expensive.

I was treated for stage III breast cancer a few years ago. I didn't have any insurance but, funny thing, I got treatment! Not only that, but I received a drug approved by the FDA only two months prior. It was deemed so effective they stopped patient studies to make it available! It cost thousands of dollars per dose, given over a year. BUT the Drug company that developed it, paid the ENTIRE COST for me.

This drug is not available to cancer patients in the UK, because of the expense to the government.
---Donna66 on 8/31/09


Donna ... I am not suggesting that the US should follow the UK way of delivering healthcare. I approve in principle of our system, but the way it is now managed is appalling.

However, I don't hear that ever in the UK people are denied treatment or have only limited treatment because they can't afford it, and we do hear of many such cases in the US
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/31/09


Donna ... my point about the UK & US was not about the healthcare, but about t5he allegation of deceit. This was that part of my post

"So how is he deceiving the US?

I ask because although I'm not American, the future of my country is inextricably tied in with the USA and what happens there"

If we have a deceiver in the US, I won't be very happy. At present, Obama seems to be much more honest than our UK government!
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/31/09


AlanofUK-- I doubt the manner in which we deliver health care will affect you. However, the manner in which people receive health care in the UK, is one reason so many here disapprove it. They do not want to follow the UK model.
---Donna66 on 8/31/09


StevenG:

I want to understand why you keep telling people in this blog they will not recognize the two witnesses in the Revelation. What do you know that no one else knows?

This I know, this I can prove. Even though we may differ in many points of doctrine, I know a fellow believer in Christ by their LOVE of Christ. When together, we do not discuss politics, the world, TV, etc. We discuss our Lord, our walk, our hope.

I expect these two witnesses will be no different. They will not discuss politics, the world, government, or people.

They will discuss one man who is above all men, the man, Jesus Christ.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/29/09




So, you wouldn't recognize the two prophets in Revelation.
---Steveng on 8/21/09

Well Steveng, if I happen to still be here, I would recognize them by one very important fact. TRUTH! And I believe the two prophets re-iterate one very important TRUTH, and that is REPENT!!!

So, REPENT of What? Sin, Worshiping of anti-Christ or Persecuting Israel?

Ive repented of SIN
I would certainly recognize anti-Christ
and I cetainly would not be persecuting Israel.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/09


Steveng - The Prophets, Apostles, and others that speak for God will ALWAYS line up with the Bible if they are God's and truthful. If they do NOT line up with the Bible, they are NOT God's and are LIARS. If such people came on the blogs, I would see if they lined up with the Bible. If they did not, I would not believe them, and also tell others not to believe them. As I have seen, MOST of the people on the blogs do NOT line up with the Bible, and therefore are NOT God's and are LIARS.
---Leslie on 8/25/09


Alan of UK -- Obama's following his predecessors policies in Afganistan. On economics, his approach is a bit different.

Under Obama, creating the health care bill was delegated to various Representatives in the government. Such bills run into thousands of pages. Congressmen readily admit they don't read the bill before voting.

The bill was published (no attempt to hide it), but when citizens read the bill, they get a different impression than what Obama says. Obama promises we can stay with any plan we now have, but other provisions make that impossible after a year or so.

Obama lately contadicts himself. And he says
his plan will be "revenue neutral". His budget office says we can't afford it. Go figure.
---Donna66 on 8/24/09


I firmly believe that if one is careful, they will discern who is evil and who is not. Discernment is a gift of the spirit and instead of praying to speak in tongues or other such nonsense the prudent christian would pray for this gift, thank god for it and then trust god's gift to have it work.
---Michele on 8/23/09


#3 The apostosy is the mustard seed that was just a herb in the garden but grew larger that it became a tree. The birds are the devils who lodge in branches therof. There is no fruit on this tree. It is a condiment and has no nourishing properties but to add flavor and Angel of Light if you Please. When it talks about the Kingdom of Heaven all things are done in the spirit. Our battles are of Authorities of Power and Principalities. The only way we are going to have a chance in this battle for our very soul is if we have the Lord Jesus Christ win our battles for us. We need to pray for one another in the church and bring each other up in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are to live in the spirit and not of the flesh
---john_camping on 8/23/09




Yes, We need to be discerning BUT we need to keep our eyes on Jesus!

I think there is a certain danger that we will be so busy looking for imposters... and identifying false doctrines... that we loose sight of HIM who is our true Shepherd, the author and finisher of our faith.

We must not be distracted.
---Donna66 on 8/22/09


Catherine.. "Obama is deceiving this country"

His economic & foreign policies appear to follow very much those of his predecessor.

There appears to be opposition to his healthcare policies ... that would seem to be an indication that he has been open about them, rather than dishonest.
So how is he deceiving the US?

I ask because although I'm not American, the future of my country is inextricably tied in with the USA and what happens there

---alan8566_of_uk on 8/23/09


Children of God we are waiting for our Lord to bring us to him. Let us keep things in perspective. We are waiting for the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ. For his deliverance. For he is the beginner and finisher of our Faith let it be our God who strengthens us in all things. But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace..We go to the sheep gate on our knees and out the sheep gate standing before the Lord.
---john_camping on 8/23/09


Obama is deceiving this country. As long as unbelievers are in control of most everything in this world, this world will go to the dogs. The Christians can take some of the blame for allowing this. Now, I do not care whether the wicked man publishes this or not. If the truth you do not want to know, so be it! There are plenty of false prophets in this world to tickle your fancy. Are you bold enough to publish the truth? Plenty of lies are be ing told on this quote, quote, Christian site. What a joke you are and an abomination to the living God....I will not shut up!
---catherine on 8/22/09


Leslie, the people who are in agreement with Satan had always been in every congregation or assembly where God's children are gathered. But the Church of Jesus Christ is the combination of the true believers from many congregations. What we require is that the Lord & His holy spirit be dwelling in us at all times. The Holy Spirit will teach you in every situation what to do, HE can even use you to help Satan's human-agents to decamp from the devil's fold & become saved in Jesus.
---Adetunji on 8/22/09


kathr4453: "No, because in the Church we are given the gift of PropheSY, which is a re-iteration of the OT PropheCY.

ALL PropheCY is in scripture. The Gift of PropheSy is to understand and KNOW OT propheCy and hold to it's truths.


We see the SOVEREIGNTY of God bringing Israel back to the land, fulfilling PropheCy."

So, you wouldn't recognize the two prophets in Revelation.
---Steveng on 8/21/09


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the body of believers (chruch) is the bridegroom of christ, lamb's wife. When we drink of the cup and drink of the wine in remembrance of Lord and recall the events that happened in his life we are in partnership with him. Let us remember this we are all of ONE spirit. We hurt one weve hurt Christ. So let us speak as ambassadors of Christ in all humbleness and lowliness. For is the Lord is our strength by his power we are lifted up not by our own strength. Let us not deceived by whose will we are really serving. Ours or the Lords?
---john_camping on 8/21/09


So, the questions are: if a prophet of God posted messages on these blogs, would you believe him? Or would you think of him as just another person with his own opinions? How would you tell the difference?***

No, because in the Church we are given the gift of PropheSY, which is a re-iteration of the OT PropheCY.

ALL PropheCY is in scripture. The Gift of PropheSy is to understand and KNOW OT propheCy and hold to it's truths.


We see the SOVEREIGNTY of God bringing Israel back to the land, fulfilling PropheCy.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/09


Leslie: "This is why it is so IMPORTANT to read the Bible for yourself, and follow God ONLY, NOT man."

God reaches people through people. It was godly people who brought messages from God to the people - the godly people of the Old Testament, the prophets, the apostles.

So, the questions are: if a prophet of God posted messages on these blogs, would you believe him? Or would you think of him as just another person with his own opinions? How would you tell the difference?

Would you recognize the two prophets mentioned in Revelation?
---Steveng on 8/20/09


MarkV: "Yes, God along can read a heart, the true elect are visible to Him."

And it is God who reveals the heart of one person to another person so His 'will' will be done. The bible is full of this. How do you think Paul knew the heart of Ananias who promised to give all but only gave a portion.

Again, the question is: if a prophet were to post messages on these blogs would you believe him or would you think he was just another person with his own opinions?
---Steveng on 8/20/09


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//Also, it has been said by people who had near death experiences in Hell, there will be Christians, Pastors, and Ministers of the Gospel in Hell - along with their followers and converts.

Christians in hell? Maybe the Holy Spirit who penned the Scripture lied to us?

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Maybe the Lord does not love those that are His enough to save them?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

It is more likely that those that had near death experiences bore false witness. After all there are those that claim to have seen purgatory upon the death beds.
---lee on 8/19/09


Anti-Semitism continues today in a new form called anti-Zionism. A document issued by Dr. James Kennedys Knox Theological Seminary in 2002,has been endorsed by hundreds of theologians and pastors, including R. C. Sproul. The document begins by denouncing those who teach that the Bibles promises concerning the land of Israel are being fulfilled today in a special region or Holy Land, perpetually set apart by God. The document concludes: The present secular state of Israel is not a prophetic realization of the Messianic Kingdom of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, a day should not be anticipated in which Christs Kingdom will be manifest.

This is the sad and sordid history of Christian anti-Semitism rooted in Replacement Theology.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/09


To answer some of your questions. First I have encounted FALSE Christians. One women I used to work with claimed to be a Christian. We would have fights over email about the Bible, and I felt like I was fighting with a demon. After our friendship ended, I read some books about different demons spirits, and saw all the signs of them in her. To know who they are, ask the Holy Spirit to show you, to open up your spiritual eyes and ears, and to give you the gift of decernment of spirits. Also, to deal with them, ask God to exspose and exspell them from the church. Hope this helps.
---Leslie on 8/19/09


I once heard it said that Satan knows the Bible more than MOST Christians, and this is how he is able to twist and prevert it. He also does it in such a way, that it seems like truth, but is really a LIE. Hopefully this will encourage ALL of you to get into your Bibles more, and not just believe what the Pastor says, because you think he/she is learned. Also, it has been said by people who had near death experiences in Hell, that there will be Christians, Pastors, and Ministers of the Gospel in Hell - along with their followers and converts. This is why it is so IMPORTANT to read the Bible for yourself, and follow God ONLY, NOT man.
---Leslie on 8/19/09


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Steven G. you speak of the bad in the denominations but never the good. While you are right that many within are corrupt in their teaching, many others do very good things. St. Augustine called the visible church "a mixed body." Though the church is holy, it always in this age, has unholy mixture within it. Not all of those who honor Christ with their lips honor Him with their hearts as well. Yes, God along can read a heart, the true elect are visible to Him. It is the duty and privilege of every Christian to be united to the Church of Christ. It is our solem responsibility not to neglect the gathering together of the saints. You like small gathering that is fine, but others like big gatherings. Tares are everywhere.
---MarkV. on 8/19/09


Sister Donna you are correct-many solid believers attend denominational churches. Leave the judgement on authenticity to the Lord and avoid those sweeping statements.

My plea to survive in these perilous times is to GET DISCERNMENT!
Discernment increases as we get closer to God and there are no shortcuts.
Prayer, word study even fasting may be necessary.
---larry on 8/18/09


Warwick: "Of the very many churches of many different denominations I have attended I have never been to one which taught this! Not one."

This is an unwritten law. Go to the blog "Are There Any Bad Churches" to read my post dated 8/18/09 - part I and II.

Warwick: "This (ours is the only way) theology is what we see cultic organizations promoting."

One man started each of the denominational "chruches." It's the Board of Directors of the headquarters of each denomination to keep the founder's doctrine alive which is passed down to each individual "church" every Sunday.
---Steveng on 8/18/09


Steveng -- a large number of "Those christians who have a real and personal relationahip with God" do belong to denominational churches" A smaller number do not.
---Donna66 on 8/18/09


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Donna66: "Can we get a little bit practical here?
It is obviously not the Lord's desire that those who have a personal relationship with Him isolate themselves from other believers.
The Bible often mentions corporate worship and communal activities. How does one find Christian fellowship outside a church? "

Have you not read where two or more are gathered in Jesus' name, there where He is also? One does not need to belong to a denominational "church" to have a personal relationship with God. I tell you the truth, denominational "churches are harmful to a christians spritual growth.

Those christians who have a real and personal relationahip with God are the apostles and the prophets today.
---Steveng on 8/18/09


MarkV: "So many here are right, how can we tell who they are? How can we judge someone's heart? "

It's not the heart you should trust because from the heart comes evil thoughts. To know what is truth and the other evil, we must be one with God. For all people who are in the same spirit with God, know each other and the truth. These are the same people who would recognize a person of God like when Abraham knew the angels as they were afar off in the distance.

For those people who are not one in the spirit cannot know people who are of the spirit and will not know the truth.
---Steveng on 8/18/09


Calvinism, Covenant Theology, Reformed Theology, The Institutes of Christian Religion and Replacement Theology arethose that allegorizes (spiritualizes) the Scriptures, especially Bible prophecy, allowing the practice of extra-biblical interpretations. There can be no solution in the ongoing debate with Calvinists and those that embrace Covenant Theology is because of their methods of Bible interpretation. You can never discuss the principles of gravity or thermodynamics with a person who does not respect the "literal" laws of Physics. For the same reason, you can never discuss the details of salvation or Bible prophecy with someone who does not respect the literal interpretation of Scripture. It's an excercise in total frustration.
---kathr4453 on 8/18/09


I think ed decker and other Christian apologogists are pretty good resources.

There are many ancient and modern Jewish & Christian books that obviously don't correlate with the flow of the New Covenant theme of Mashiach. Denial of Yahushua's deity, Witchcraft and seeking Gnosis(Secret knowledge), from spirits is very dangerous and against Duet. 18:9-14. Rev 21:8

Ancient Isreal fell into eastern mysticism too Isaiah 2:6

I whole heartedly disagree with Jewish and Christian groups dabbling in this stuff.

thanks for this post.
---Yochanan on 8/10/09


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Mark, I agree, we must keep our eyes upon Jesus but there are wolves about who seek to draw unsuspecting, and uninformed people away from faith in the Biblical Jesus.

Acts 20:29 'I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.' We know he isn't speaking about animals but those among us who will 'distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.'

We need to know our Bibles well so as to defend ourselves, and others, against these deceivers. We also need to know why that which they teach is untrue. 'Know the truth and the truth will set you free.'
---Warwick on 8/10/09


I must agree with the subject of this blog.

I must confess that I am no expert on sects, cults, or doctrines of demons. Rather, I have made it my purpose to study the Scriptures and not spend time investigating such subjects.

I must caution all those who read books written about these subjects, or books written about the identification of such subjects.

We need to know and abide in His commandments. Period. We do not need to study how demons operate, how angels minister, how healing occurs, how tongues are manifested.

We need to keep our focus on Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/10/09


Warwick, I agree with you, Donna and Alan. I have not gone to one church that teaches what he said. I am sure there is some, but they must be a very small group. I believe StevenG is against all denominational churches. He mentioned once a bad experience. I am sure he has his reasons, and his way might be better for him to stay away. We do have a lot of none biblical views going on in some churches but nevertheless God and the apostles call us to gather together, worship together, help each other together. A church is a group of people who gather together, even a home group can be considered a church. So I believe he is wrong about condemning all churches.
---MarkV. on 8/9/09


Warwick -- Your post says what I've intended to post several times before, but got distracted.
Denominational churches ( I've been to most of them) have their own favorite doctrines and rituals, but I know of NONE that claim you have to join them or adapt their ways to get to heaven! (When I was young the RCC taught this, but as Alan says, no more)

There are two small protestant groups I know that make this claim. Some may call them "denominations", but actually they are are more accurately "sects". And believing that they alone have the way of salvation, makes them "cults".

Maybe Steveng well tell us someday what makes him distrust "denominations".
---Donna66 on 8/10/09


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Warwick ... I agree with you that is my experience too ... even the RCC which is so often reviled here does not say that non-RCs can't go to heaven.

But you must have noticed that Steveng has nothing but bad to say about denominational churches.

That's strange because it means that non-denominationalists make their own non-denominationalist denomination!
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/9/09


Stevenq you wrote ' Most "churches" want you to believe that you must join them to have a place in heaven.' Of the very many churches of many different denominations I have attended I have never been to one which taught this! Not one.

This (ours is the only way) theology is what we see cultic organizations promoting.
---Warwick on 8/9/09


Leslie, I just finished reading a book called, "The kingdom of the cults" I had forgotten I had it. In it we are told about, "Beware of the prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. So many here are right, how can we tell who they are? How can we judge someone's heart? Are they the antichrist? It is no different today then in the beginning of the church. At that time there was many religions starting, all kinds of them Heathenism and paganism were so bad? Many in churches are not born again. Some are taught nothing about God and all about man. Where can you begin? I believe that we can only control what we do and who we follow. The rest is left up to God.
---MarkV. on 8/7/09


Steveng -- Can we get a little bit practical
here?
It is obviously not the Lord's desire that those who have a personal relationship with Him isolate themselves from other believers.
The Bible often mentions corporate worship and communal activities. How does one find Christian fellowship outside a church?
---Donna66 on 8/7/09


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Leslie, I'm curious if you've ever encountered such people that you've described here in your latest blog. I've encountered such people and it is mind-blowing to listen to them blame God for this and that, to say they are hearing from God and yet their lives are a mess. Then they go and shoot false accusations at the true Brethren and say they don't have a spirit of pride AND they deny they need healing and deliverance yet tell others, "you're messed up." It's unbelievable isn't it? it's hurtful to see what they're doing in the name of the Lord, isn't it? How can we stop them?
---anon on 8/7/09


Anon - I know that such FALSE people are in the church, because of the story Jesus told of the tares and the wheat. Tares look the SAME as wheat and grow ALONGSIDE wheat. This means they will appear to be Christians, and even confess Christ, and be in the church - they however will be FALSE converts and of the devil. This is why Jesus said NOT to pluck it up early. When the FRUIT (we will know them by their fruit) comes out (tops), then you will know what they truly are. Wheat will have lots of furry looking tops, and bend (yeild). Tares will have straight tops and will not bend. TRUE Christians will be OBEDIENT to God's Word in every way, yeilding ONLY to God, NOT man.
---Leslie on 8/5/09


Cluny: "...Most non-denominational "churches" get their start when someone says, "Now we've going to have a real New Testament 'church' with ME as the head.""

Contrary to what denominational/non-denominational "churches" teach, a person can be a christian without joining a "church." Having a relationship with God doesn't have anything to do with denominational "churches." Most "churches" want you to believe that you must join them to have a place in heaven. This is the biggest deception of modern chritianity. The seven churches mentioned in Revelation are nothing more than locations of a group of christians, not denominations.
---Steveng on 8/4/09


Well, if denominational churches are "harmful" to Christianity, and "non-denominational" churches are the same as denominational....that leaves us with no churches at all.

Are we to be Christian in isolation from other Christians? The Bible doesn't teach that. Don't tell me a "home church" is any different from any other church. Or that small groups are not harmful to Christianity.

If denominations taught people to be "hearers only" nobody would ever switch to a new denomination or new church. Some Christians WANT to be told what to do and think...but a vast number of others insist on thinking for themselves. One can belong to a church and not agree wholeheartedly with everything preached.
---Donna66 on 8/4/09


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\\ Denominational "churches" are detrimental to the christian faith. They teach their congregations to be hearers only.\\

And so you think there's such a thing as a non-denomination "church"?

Try again.

While it might be a denomination of just one "congregation," non-denominational "churches" will be found to fit quite nicely into one of the existing denominations.

Most non-denominational "churches" get their start when someone says, "Now we've going to have a real New Testament 'church' with ME as the head."
---Cluny on 8/4/09


Denominational "churches" are detrimental to the christian faith. They teach their congregations to be hearers only.

Paul says not to let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on men's thoughts and ideas. This is what denominational "churches do. They also make you believe that you must join a church to receive christ. Hog wash.

Although most christians know that they must love God and their neighbors, but surely don't know HOW. Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle, not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches.
---Steveng on 8/3/09


Leslie, now you're scaring me when you say, "This includes people in the church who say they are Christians, but are of the devil. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT??????

Leslie, God judges by the thoughts and intentions of the heart. How do you know these people's hearts whom you assume are "of the devil?"

That's a very harsh statement to make. Did God tell you they are of the devil? Maybe you mean "acting like the devil." Such as my ex-husband does.

Demons are running rampant, people won't even admit they have them or admit they need healing. Many are called Leslie, but FEW are CHOSEN. Please study the word CHOSEN. Also, the way is narrow that leads to life and FEW are those who find it. Amen?
---anon on 8/3/09


The only thing I personally need to discern is my own subconscious thoughts, motives and intents, [my heart], which is readily discerned, if I pay attention, through my conscious thoughts and actions. Fortunately I have Father's Word which "[is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of 'soul', (as my mental disposition), and 'spirit', (as my habitual way of acting towards or relating to life and my fellow man)..... and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Cutting comprehensively and decisively between the two in distinguishing and determining the source of them both.
---Josef on 8/3/09


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Most of all, be wise to how * I * can be false.

If I get for real with God, then I can have the sense to know who else is for real. By being how You make me honest and obedient, You can now connect me with the ones You know are really intimate with You in Your own peace.

And this can work for getting with the one You would have me marry. As we obey God in the intimate sharing of His peace, see if this brings us together in marriage, or if He has us enjoying something else.

"be content with such things as you have" (in Hebrews 13:5)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/2/09


people are no different today then they were in jesus,s time,just more of them.yes they are extremely less obidient,and many have fooled themselves,and believe they are disciples of christ,when in fact they aren,t.
---tom2 on 8/2/09


How do you know you're not deceived, Leslie?

How do you know that YOU'RE a real Christian and not of the devil?

After all, why should your spiritual status and security be assured and those of other people not be?
---Cluny on 8/2/09


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