You see, Paul was in no way saying that he sinned after his conversion, but comparing how he sinned BEFORE his conversion, but now sins not. Notice how Paul says in verse 16 and 20, "Pretend" or in the KJV reads "If" I do sin, for we know that Paul did not sin after his conversion, but rather did right after his conversion. Else Paul would not be a saint, but as you wrongly say, a sinner. Mima the saint is not the sinner, nor the goat the sheep, the tare is not the wheat, nor the wicked the righteous, either one is bad or else the good tree, but not both. Once a person is transformed that person has Christ's seed and nature dwelling wihtin them and no longer has sin which Christ has conquered victoriously over. |
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---Eloy on 10/8/09 |
mima, lit. Gk: "For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were aroused by the law, did work in our members to bring forward fruit onto death. But now we are delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by. For we know that the law stands spiritual when I be like fleshly, having been sold under that sin. Pretend then I do that which I should not, I confess that the law right. Now pretend I do what I should not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. Therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:5,6,14,16,20+ 8:1,2. |
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---Eloy on 10/8/09 |
How does this statement,
"Sandra, only nonregenerate flesh sins"
Made by---Eloy on 10/2/09
Agree with the statements made by Paul, 14 years after his conversion, in Romans 7:17-18 and 19,
"17-Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18-For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19-For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." |
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---mima on 10/5/09 |
Sandra, only nonregenerate flesh sins. But as a "thief in the night", it is only to those whom choose to give their flesh over to sin being most people, rather than to those of us whom live in and for Christ which is very few people. For just as in Noah's day, ONLY 8 souls were living in righteousness and the whole rest of the entire world was living in sin, so too at Christ's return will very few be living without sin. Ever since the beginning the word was, "I set in front of you life and death, blessing and cursing, CHOOSE this day whom you will serve, God or sin, Obedience or damnation, and the world chooses sin rather than right and therefore is rightly condemned for their free choice of choosing sin over right. |
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---Eloy on 10/2/09 |
Alan, A-men, the key is to always live in and with and for Jesus Christ our blessed Savior 24 hours each day and 7 days every week, for at any moment at any time he can call any soul which he has created for himself to depart away from this world at any moment that he so chooses, whether we sleep or whether we are awake: and should any soul be without him that soul will be eternally separated from him. So it is wise for each one of us to always be prepared to meet our maker, for he alone holds the breath and life of each creature in the palm of his hand, so I pray Lord, let my breath be yours always and at all times. |
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---Eloy on 10/3/09 |
Sandr4873: "To further my theory..."
Your theory? Why must it be always your theory? What about God's facts.
And by the writings of all these posts, everyone has a theory. What a shame no one has the facts. Except, of course, what the Holy Spirit revealed to me. |
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---Steveng on 10/2/09 |
To Eloy and Alan
Of course knowing the very day or hour of his return is not biblical but knowing the times of the season is. Where it says he's coming as a "thief of the night" are to those who are not watching for His return. I encourage you to read 1Thes 5:2-5.
Ready Christians are alert watching, praying, and discerning the times. These people will not be caught off guard when Christ raptures the Church as the children of darkness because they are living their lives everyday as though He can come at that very moment...even though our flesh will sin but our spirits should be ready through prayer and repentance.
Let's be knowledgable of our Saviour's return. Hosea 4:6 says we perish because we lack knowledge. |
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---sandr4873 on 10/2/09 |
Part 2
1Th 5:2 For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief.
1Th 5:5 You are all the sons of light and the sons of the day. We are not of the night, or of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep as the rest do, but let us watch and be calm.
1Th 5:7 For those sleeping sleep in the night, and those being drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be calm, having put on the breastplate of faith and love and the hope of salvation for a helmet.
5:9 For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, |
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---sandr4873 on 10/2/09 |
Sandra, count down has not begun in 1948. Man has always tried to "set dates" for God's return. But God will not return when any human desires, but only when God whom is commanded by no creature desires to return when he alone will. I know God, and he knows me, and suffice it to say that he will return when least expected, just as he did in history, mankind continued in their sins forgetting God daily, and then he suddenly came to his creation and destroyed them all for their wickedness. The most important thing is that each single soul must be ready for his return right now, daily, and not at any future date. Even as I write this many are giving up their ghost back to him whom gave it to be sealed in their eternal judgment. |
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---Eloy on 10/2/09 |
sandr4873 ... You need to include also Matt 16.4.
Jesus said He will return like a thief in the night ... it will be sudden and unexpected and unannounced. He also told us we should NOT try to work out when it would be.
Live always as if it will be the next second, or tonight while you are asleep |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 10/2/09 |
Eloy...i understand Matt 24 pretty well and yes He will have to shorten time because of the mad destruction of lives that will be going on. All I'm saying here Eloy, Jesus desires we know the generation He's coming back to so we can prepare our hearts unto wisdom.
Eloy...remember in Matt 16:1-3 Jesus got very angry with the pharisees and saducess because they could discern the weather better than discerning the times of his 1st coming? Jesus gave that generation before his 1st coming the prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks read Dan 9:24-27.
We both pretty much agree we are living in the final days but we need to be educated as to why, to win souls. Rebirth of Israel land is the start point of this last generaton...countdown began at 1948! |
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---sandr4873 on 10/1/09 |
sandra, generation in this passage is synonymous with age. In Matthew 24 Jesus says that he "cuts the time short", and if not, then no flesh would be saved. This is why he says no one knows the numbered day because Jesus tells us that he is comming back before he planned. He set an exact date for his second coming, but because of the high speed fast-forwarding wickedness and violence across the land which greatly destroys the innocent- yes, even worse than what was in Sodom and Amorrah's day and in Noah's day- thus he comes back sooner than he planned. This is why each soul must be prepared for his return, else they be found with sin rather than with Christ and be left to eternal destruction rather than gathered up to eternal glory. |
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---Eloy on 10/1/09 |
Eloy
I'm speaking of a specific generation here...I have heard from 40 to up 120yrs. But Psalms 90 nailed it for all generations
Psa 90:1 A Prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
and it goes on to say...
Psa 90:10 The days of our years are seventy, and if any by strength live eighty years, yet their pride is labor and sorrow, for it soon passes, and we fly away.
Therefore Jesus says "This generation shall not pass" is speaking of when you see Israel return as a nation start counting down. 1948+80 yrs is very close to 2000 yrs after Jesus' rose from the grave. Your 40yrs theory won't work here because 1948+40 had already passed.
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---sandr4873 on 9/29/09 |
A generation is 40 years, from parents at 20 years of age to their children at 20 years of age. Matthew chapter 24 tells us to, Be ready at all times: for if he would not have cut the time short, then no flesh would be saved. |
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---Eloy on 9/26/09 |
To further my theory that Ps 90:10-14 was speaking to the last generation. It mentions 1) God's coming wrath 2) that we should learn how to number our days 3) The rapture (we fly away) and 4) the Return of the Lord (Jesus Christ). 1948+80=2028, isn't this nearly 2 days (or 2000yrs) after Jesus' death?
The days of our years are threescore years and ten, and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow, for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants. |
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---Sandr4873 on 8/11/09 |
Donna66, Num.32.13 "The Lord's anger burned against Israel and made them wander in the desert forty years,until the whole GENERATION of those who had done evil in His sight was gone." |
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---1st_cliff on 8/9/09 |
Yes Sandra I agree that we know based on the parable you referenced, fulfilled in 1948. (Jer 12:15>Jer 23:3>Jer 24:5,6)
Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel,
"It shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again,... every man to his land.
I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds, and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah,.... For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: .. I will plant them, and not pluck [them] up. |
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---Josef on 8/7/09 |
1stCliff--
Just curious...
If they wandered in the desert 40 years "until the generation died off" wouldn't that mean that a generation had to be MORE than 40 yrs?
It's not talking about those born at the time of or AFTER the Exodus. If it was... 40 years would mean an untimely death for them all. |
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---Donna66 on 8/6/09 |
Thanks Bill for the confimation, for others this is what Jesus had to say of those lack discernment of his 1st coming. Matt 16:1-4, in a nutshell he was saying "you can discern the weather if it will rain or not but you couldn't discern this generation to witness the Messiah to be born of a virgin and latter cut off? This was prophesied in the Daniel 70 week prophecy...the countdown started from when the king (Xeres) gave a commandment to go back and rebuild Israel and from there it would be 69 wks or 483 yrs (1wk=7yrs)until Christ would be killed.
Now we two are to discern the season of his coming, not the day or hour but just know the season...and we most definitely are. |
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---sandr4873 on 8/5/09 |
A bible "generation" is 40 years, They wandered in the desert,40 years 'till the "generation" died off!
When was your generation? the 50s, 60s 70s ?? etc.
Today:
The seniors in nursing homes- it's not their generation, nor the new borns. |
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---1st_cliff on 8/3/09 |
"Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone, these, where [had] they [been]?
Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in [their] arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon [their] shoulders.
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once?" Israel was indeed reborn as a geographical sovereign nation in one day.
Isa 49:21,22>Isa 66:8 |
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---josef on 8/3/09 |
Ps. 90 indicates that the lifespan of a man is 70 yrs...or maybe 80. If the lifespan of a person is the same as a "generation" we could have 9-10 years to go...but that's figuring on the basis of a person born in 1948. However, most of the people who saw Israel become a nation were older than newborn in 1948, so many have died already. That means the return could be anytime |
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---Donna66 on 8/2/09 |
Sandra,Yes you are correct.And its been 61 years since israel rebirth,so jesus can come any time,and will.All bvible scholars agree the scripture you quoted is the rebirth of the nation of Israel,which happened over 61 years ago,so hold on the ride starts shortly. |
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---tom2 on 8/2/09 |
No one knows when the last generation is and when Jesus is coming back.Only God knows that.I do believe we are or could be in the last days.But Jesus can come back today,tomorrow,weeks,months or years from now.Even 100 more years.We don't know.The bible says he will come like a thief in the night,no man knows the day or hour when Jesus will come back.All the prophecys have been fulfilled,so Jesus can come back anytime.That is why we should be looking for his coming,and working to win more souls for him now more than ever.We shouldn't be trying to figure out when the last generation is or hints as to figure out when he is coming.Only God knows that. |
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---angea on 8/2/09 |
But was 1948 was an *obedient* "rebirth" of Israel? It could be a
false return . . . like how there are false prophets. After all, it was Gentile produced, *and* the Jews have not been obeying God in His peace. Israel is divided, politically, in what is not a theocracy. This is not, I have to consider, how God draws His *obedient* Israel.
Jesus was concentrating attention on end-time activities when He used the fig tree idea > so, leaves growing could mean the growing developments of end-time events. |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 8/2/09 |
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