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Iron Mountain Report Of 1967

Do you think the "Iron Mountain Report" of 1967 has anything to do with historical events developing in America as part of the Anti-Christ's plan of Peace? What will you do if you have to go through the 7 year Tribulation?

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I would trust in the Lord & endure until the end of my life...
YLBD
---YLBD on 8/22/09


Mark E. I am getting ready to leave for Arizona to visit my son and will try to answer your points when I return. This is very interesting, edifying, challenging, and eye opening. Thank you for your answers, peace I leave you.
---MarkV. on 8/20/09


Mark E. I am getting ready to leave for Arizona to visit my son and will try to answer your points when I return. This is very interesting, edifying, challenging, and eye opening. Thank you for your answers, peace I leave you.
---MarkV. on 8/20/09


MarkV:

In your synopsis on the 70 weeks of Daniel, you did not discuss the events that Gabriel told Daniel that would be accomplished.

Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place".

Finish the transgression - Restoration of the Jews to their land
End of sin - Fulfilled by Jesus
Atonement for iniquity - Fulfilled by Jesus
Bring in everlasting righteousness - Fulfilled by Jesus
Seal up vision and prophecy - Fulfilled by the Revelation
Anoint the most holy place - Not fulfilled
---Mark_Eaton on 8/19/09


Mark E, I wanted to get back to what you said about the time of the Gentiles. Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people (Dan. 9:24). During the period of Christ's public ministry of 3.5 years, Jesus focus was largely upon "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3.5 years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (Acts 1-6). "After that second 3.5 year period, in 34 A.D." Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhedren (Acts 7). This deed marked the last or final rejection of the gospel by the Jewish leaders "Then the gospel went to the Gentiles."
---MarkV. on 8/19/09




Mark E. 2:
continuing to follow Acts, In 9 Acts Saul became Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13). In Acts 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (Acts 10:1-28). So "after approximately 3.5 years after the crucifixion and at the end of the 70-week prophecy given for the Jewish people-the gospel shifted to the Gentiles exactly as predicted in Bible prophecy." Thats the time of the Gentiles, after the 70-week period of the Jews. Which tells us that the Daniel 70-week prophecy was fulfilled in the past.
---MarkV. on 8/19/09


Bruce, 100% of the posts that we have received from you have been posted this month. Please make sure that you are following the rules and also truly submitting properly. If you have a penpal account, please use it instead of using the blogs as it looks like you are complaining instead of asking nicely for some help which doesn't edify the Body of Christ specifically the Mods.
---Moderator on 8/18/09


Bruce B 2 continue:
In fact one major reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because of the misinterpretion of Dan 9:27. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the predicted One who would die in the middle of the 70th week. That is also happening today I believe. Another reason I don't agree with other views is that Gabriel said that the 70th week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people Dan. 9:24.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09


Is everyone around this place a moderator?

How can anyone carry on any discusion when comments aren't posted and those already posted are removed--because they don't fit the "accepted" theories?

Christianet? Freedom in Christ? As I haven't posted a single word of profanity or other marginally acceptable phrasing, I'd really like to know why my comments are either not posted--or are yanked after they do post.
---BruceB on 8/18/09


Bruce B, "In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the Cross in the midst of the week (in the middle of the seven years). At the exact moment of His death, "the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, Matthew 27:51. The act of God signified that all animal sacrifice at that moment ceased to be of value. Why? Because the Perfect Sacrifice had been offered. Jesus death was not at the end of the 69th week, but in the middle of the 70th week. One would think (the Jews) among whom these events occured, could not possibly have misapplied the prophecy, but they did as Exzucuh had mentioned before.
---MarkV. on 8/18/09




MarkV,

So, we add up 7 weeks and 62 weeks and we get 69 weeks. At the end of 69 weeks, Messiah is crucified. This occured somewhere around 30-35AD. The temple was destroyed in 70AD.

We can see that 70-35(or 70-30) is 35 or 40 years. If those weeks are 7 years each, which is almost exclusively accepted... well, I think you get the point.

The period between the end of the 69th week and the end of the 70th week is obviously longer than a mere 7 years, and is therefore, not a sequential block of time--even if we were to accept that Da 9-26 is referring to the 2nd temple... and not the third temple. So why is it not possible for that period to be 2,000 years, just as the 2 days in Ho 6 are 2,000 years--give or take.
---BruceB on 8/17/09


Bruce B. 2 continue: In Daniels prophecy the "seventy weeks" were to begin during the reign of Persia and continue to the time of the Messiah. What I see of the seventy weeks that is wrong also is that logic also requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn't then it cannot properly be called the 70th week. Daniel 9:27 speaks nothing about a seven-year period of "tribulation" a "rebuild Jewish temple" or any "antichrist." Actually the start focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the antichrist. This are but two reasons from many why I believe it is wrong to believe anything else into the prophecy that is not there.
---MarkV. on 8/17/09


Yes Yochanan and Meira- many Christians don't know the history of their faith, haven't read Fox's Book of Matyrs, etc. I did not say history was not useful.

My point is, and it remains true, its not necessary to know the history of our faith to come into the full will of Christ Jesus or to be accepted by him, so don't make it out to be so. Its not a requirement any more than Charismatics believe you must speak in the prayer language.
My mother has two masters degrees and is working on her seminary doctorate knowing full well Biblical history. She will have no more status in heaven than the thief on the cross.
---larry on 8/17/09


MarkV:

But Mark, I have given you the scriptures that show Jesus and Paul both referring to a "time of the Gentiles" for which we have no additional explanation.

According to Jesus in Luke 21, this "time of the Gentiles" started just after the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. and according to Paul in Romans 11, this "time of the Gentiles" continues until the veil is lifted off of the eyes of the Jews.

If the disciples of Jesus had read Daniel 9 and believed the prophecy was true, according to the timeline they would have looked for Jesus to return seven years after He ascended. I do not think they did. I believe they understood what the "time of the Gentiles" meant.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/17/09


Bruce B, first of all thanks for responding the way you do. Some get angry if someone doesn't agree but this debate has been going on for a long time. What I believe is that this events to the vast majority is probably the biggest dillusion that has ever been. Too many things speak against that view. The entire prophecy of Daniel covers a period of 'seventy weeks." Logic requires that "seventy weeks" refers to consecutive block of time, in other words, to seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else) of a stated time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references in Scripture are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights, 400 years in Egypt, 70 years of captivity
---MarkV. on 8/17/09


MarkV,

...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...

Interesting take you have, how the prince that shall come is Messiah (because the word, naghidh, is used, meaning- ruler: prince: captain: leader: governor: nobles, etc) and that His people shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Why would Daniel use the title, Messiah (mashiyach, meaning- anointed one): then follow that with naghidh, as a separate title of lower stature?

Confirm The Covenant for only one week? Covenant, here, confirms Israel's right to rebuild the third temple.

BTW: You are aware that Daniel is written in Hebrew?
---BruceB on 8/16/09


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The Iron Mountain Report is the word of MEN and it is not important to read mens idea's about God ONLY Gods Truth in his Word

The tribulation is SIMPLY times of trouble ...just like ancient Israel experienced hard times when they disobeyed God the WORLD once again like days of Noe will experience this time of trouble for the LAST time at the end of times when God again will cleanse the earth and the promised REIGN of Christ on EARTH in the New Jerusalem will happen 1Corin 15

self professing RELIGIOUS christianity already follows ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 11:4 ...True Christians are praying to be counted worthy to escape (safety protection) just like ancient Israel received protection when God removed them from their trouble
---Rhonda on 8/15/09


Part 2: Bruce B 2: Another thing that I mentioned before is that nowhere in the Bible does the antichrist make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone. The word "Covenant" is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not the antichrist. "He shall confirm the covenant with many" Jesus Christ said, "This is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many" Matthew 26:28. Here Jesus was quoting Dan. 9:27.
Just giving another view by reading what is said in the passages of Dan 9:25-27.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09


Bruce B, the passages in Dan. 9:25-27 is refering to the Messiah. The word "Prince" in the Greek is speaking of the Messiah and the word is called "Naghidh" Generally speaking, it is the man at the top. Even the Messiah is called a Naghidh.
To confirm that it is Him all we have to look at is to ask ourselves, "who confirms a Covenant/" Paul said "the covenant" was confirmed before by God in Christ" Galatians 3:17. Jesus Christ came "to confirm the promises made to the father" Rom. 15:8. In the king James Version, Dan. 9:27 doesn't say "a covenant" or peace treaty, but "The Covenant" which applies to the New Covenant.
---MarkV. on 8/15/09


Larry-
Most Christians only know the greco-roman side of their faith and don't even know that "Jesus" was a Jewish Rabbi. Ofcourse, they read it in the Gospels, but that reality doesn't always sink in.

To assume that every "christian" knows history and understands scripture is naive-many people believe-contrary to scripture- that all they have to do is believe and accept "Jesus". But Scripture calls for REPENTANCE and this is often NOT taught in Sunday Morning feel-good, prosperity, pop-psychology meetings.

If "christians" really understood the history of their faith, they would develop more wisdom and strength and love for the scriptures that would allow them to sustain harsh times.
---Meira on 8/14/09


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Larry,LOL. No Christian "denomination" is perfect with all knowledge of God or selective learning of history. They can all learn, if they don't play "know it all ego manics". If someone does not take the time to learn history and scripture, then they are ones that are "specious" and insecure in their views, try the mirror.
---Yochanan on 8/14/09


Yochanan-most christians no all of that and no nothing about Hannukah's lesson. The assumption just has no base in reality. Go to the lobby of any protestant church on Sunday and ask worshipers about the lessons of Hannukah and you'll get an out of body distant look in response.
I think its great that you believe in the lessons of Hannukah, but to leap to a belief they are necessary to understand God's purpose and plan is specious.
---larry on 8/14/09


The IM Report has mounting evidence to support it NOT being a hoax. Infact, any one willing to look at the policies of America closely will see that IM is taking place around us today.

There are people that will call anyone a conspiracy theorist that believes that an evil master plan is unveiling itself. These same people also believe the anti-christ will one day rule the world. Yet, the spirit of the A-C is conspiring already to coherce & force people to give up freedoms.

History lesson or not, Americans -and the world - will need a righteous hero to model themselves after when our freedoms have disapated. Macabees stood for righteousness against his anti-messiahs and so must we while trusting Elohim to deliver us.
---Meira on 8/13/09


Larry-Hannukah's lesson is important to "all Bible believers" everywhere because history repeats itself. a global system will affect everything. It teaches believers to resist Ant-Christ system, shows the cost of beleiving by faith as outlined in Hebrews 11-12 great cloud of witnesses, calls attention to protect the Bible and not allow it to be burned by the Ant-Christ, not be assimilated into the Beast system's culture, dedicate your temple to God through Christ and keep your lamp oil full to make it through those times.

Against all odds we win because Messiah conquered the Advesary. Those that beleive this will live accordingly by the bible no matter what situation we find ourselves Rev. 12:11,14 & 14:12
---Yochanan on 8/13/09


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Da 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off... and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause...


In the English language, a pronoun (in this case, he) always references the first preceding noun (in this case, prince.)

You need only read the #26 verse to determine that the he is... the prince that shall come. As the first preceding noun within the context of verse #27 is prince, then it can't be Messiah.
---BruceB on 8/12/09


Yochanan - Agreed, but I didn't mention the Maccabees, the oil or anything else because those who survive the middle years of the Tribulation will have no interest in a history lesson.
For the Americas and the anti-christ the story of the Maccabees is a point without a purpose.
---larry on 8/12/09


Larry- Flee to the hills comment: Christ(Mashiach) was also historically refering to what happened in the book of 1 Maccabees 4:45-46 & 1 Maccabees 1 & 2 chapters. Many of the same tents of history will take place in the future where the "anti-christ" will do some of the same things.

This is remembered each December 25th or Kislev called Channukah by Jewish people. Christ was at the Temple during that timeframe John 10:22-23 also to minister. It's a reminder for them to stand against paganism and Christians to not let their Temples be defiled by anti-Christ, sin and keep our lamps full of oil.
---Yochanan on 8/12/09


The "weeks measurement" is used from the 70 x 7 curse =490 curse of Law disobediance their ancestors were given. Leviticus 26 chap & Jer 25:11,12, & 29:10.

Christ warned no man knows the hour or date of His Return. We do see signs of the endtimes, therefore wait on Him and continue to preach the Gospel no matter what happens.

II Peter 3:8-9
---Yochanan on 8/12/09


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For those who have swallowed the propaganda that the "Report From Iron Mountain" is a hoax, you can read for yourselves the report's enabling documents, as follows...

PL87-297 -- 09/26/1961 -- "Arms Control and Disarmament Act"... in particular: Title III, Sect 31, subsecs. (h), (i), (j) and (l), and Sect 49, subsec. (a), [the appropriation of $10,000,000 to fund it, and the report], and...

State Dept. Pub. #7277 -- 09/1961 -- "Freedom From War: The US Program For General And Complete Disarmament In A Peaceful World"
---BruceB on 8/12/09


Hebrews 9:28 says, Unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
This verse clearly declares that Jesus appearance to those who look for Him
The final act of their bodies becoming incorruptible, immortal, and glorified is the finished work of salvation. This will happen at Jesus appearance as He receives the Church unto Himself. (1 Cor. 15:51-53.)
---a_friend on 8/11/09


MarkV:

Very good analysis, if we were to conclude that the A of D applies only to Jerusalem. However, it does not, it applies to the temple, the desolation of the temple.

Matt 24:15 says "when you see the A of D standing in the HOLY PLACE...flee to the mountains,".

Dan 9:27 says that in the middle of the week, sacrifices and offerings will be stopped, all were being performed in the temple.

Dan 9:26 tell us that the "people of the prince to come" will destroy the city and temple. All before "he" makes the firm covenant with the many.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/09


//The gap after 69th Atonement work on Nisan 14th seen as Grace period. last 7 YRS (trib) is seen by some to be the end game of the age(70TH WEEK). Then Messiah Rules 1000 years.

Since these 'weeks' are not of equal length, they really are worthless as a time measure to predict anything.

We are 'stuck' in the 70th week until Christ decides to return and this 70th week may last centuries!
---Lee1538 on 8/11/09


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Mark-V If we use the Hebrew Lunar New Moon calender and the Edict of Artexes in Nisan 2, 445 BC to Nisan 10, 32 AD Palm Sunday when Messiah was hailed as King in Jerusalem by the people, it would be 7+62=69 weeks or sevens of years=173,880 days. Dr. Gavin Finely presents this on Endtime Pilgrim website chart.

Confusion may come from using the solar day pagan calender system, Yeshua's Baptism date and other Diaspera Kings edicts.

The Hebrew Holidays pertain to His coming and return. Many did and did not want to see the truth.

The gap after 69th Atonement work on Nisan 14th seen as Grace period. last 7 YRS (trib) is seen by some to be the end game of the age(70TH WEEK). Then Messiah Rules 1000 years.
---Yochanan on 8/11/09


Moderator - I will follow the Lord's advice in Matthew 24 and head for the hills. It won't be much fun though most Christians plan on taking the last express train in the Rapture prior to the middle part of the 7-years.
We'll have a warning when Temple Mount is rebuilt. This is necessary because a portion of the physical temple will be set aside for some type of abomination.
Unbelievers will face plagues and monsters, while believers will also be under great pressure. It won't be pretty and I pray I will be with the Lord before that day.
---larry on 8/11/09


Mark E. Matthew 24:15 the Abomination of desolation event. We know that Jesus clearly applied this event to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the distruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. In a parallel text to Matthew 24:15, Jesus told His disciples, "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies (Roman armies led by Prince Titus), then know that its desolation is near" Luke 21:20. The disciples did see those very events. Because of the "abominations" of the Pharisees, Jesus told them, "See," Your house is left to you desolate" Matthew 23:38. Thus Gabriel's statement in Daniel 9:27 about Jerusalem becoming "disolate" was perfectly fulfilled in A.D.70.
---MarkV. on 8/11/09


I don't think so. Those people who supposedly met on the Hudson at Iron Mountain were merely discussing whether it was necessary to either be in constant preparation for war or in war to sustain a capitalist society. The conclusion was yes and that world wide peace was probably unattainable anyway. Its great reading for conspiracy buffs.
The United States is so insignficant in end times prophecy its unlikely a world leader who first befriended and then opposed Israel would eminate from the Americas, but no one on earth has the faintest idea its just my guess. Hurricane forecasters are more accurate.
We also don't seem to have any part or mention in the rebuilding of Temple Mount which is not the end but the beginning of the end.
---larry on 8/11/09


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MarkV:

We have to back up a little to get a better understanding of the "he" in Dan. 9:27.

Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary And its end will come with a flood, even to the end there will be war, desolations are determined. And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week"

The "he" is not the Messiah but the prince who is to come.

Jesus even mentioned this passage himself in Matt 24:15. He tells his disciples to watch for this event.

I do not understand why Jesus would tell His disciples to watch for this event if He fulfilled it.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/09


Some are watching for the rapture. Some are watching for Jesus. Which one are you watching for?
---SusieB on 8/11/09


Mark E, my discussions are so that you and others can throw around and just check.
After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus died on the cross, "in the midst of the week (in the middle of the seven years)" At that exact moment of His death, "the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51. This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices at that moment ceased to be of value. Because the Perfect Sacrifice had been offered. The seventy week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish People. One would think, the people (Jews) among whom these events occured, could not possibly have misapplied the prophecy but they did. Just as many, I believe, misapply it today.
---MarkV. on 8/11/09


MarkV:

The "gap" was inserted by Jesus Himself and was confirmed by Paul.

Luke 21:24 "and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled".

Jesus tells us about this "time" that has not been revealed anywhere else.

Rom 11:25 "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in".

Paul calls this a "mystery" which is a usually a truth not yet revealed.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/09


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Mark E 2: "He shall confirm the covenant with many." If as we know it was Christ mentioned on the passage In Dan 9:27 doesn't that mean it happened during His first coming? What first got me to look at this passage more closely was the Seventy weeks. Here is why, If you told your son to be in bed in 60 minutes, it would be consecutive minutes. If your son was still up after four hours and you asked him what happen? and He answered you, the 59 minute has not started yet. you would put him right. it is illogical to insert a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week. No hint of a gap is found between the first week and the following sixty-two weeks, so why insert one between the 69th and 70th?
---MarkV. on 8/10/09


Mark E. Lets look at that passage for a minute in context. "He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week, and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.." Dan. 9:27.
The "he" in this passage is Jesus Christ for he is saying, "by offering himself a sacrifice once and for all he (Jesus) shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices" Thus Matthew Henry applied Daniel 9:27 to Christ, not antichrist. Here Jesus confirms or ratify the New Covenant with mankind. The confirmation of a Covenant is asign only to Christ, not to the devil or the antichrist.
---MarkV. on 8/10/09


Bill-Interesting current events and historical points. someone posed the blog question to me that was into the sort of things you brought out so I thought I'd see what others thought.

Mark Eaton, this my view also. great scriptures.

anon-
what's your view of JerimiYAH 50-51 and Isaiah 47, 48 and Rev 17, 18 in relation to your comments. Many have varying views of this scripture about babylon.
---Yochanan on 8/10/09


MarkV:

The missing "week" of years is only mentioned in Daniel, but its timeline is confirmed in the Revelation.

Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering,".

Middle of the week, 3.5 years, 42 months, 1260 days. These figures are in Rev. 11:2-3, Rev 13:5, Rev. 12:6, not to mention Rev. 12:4 "time, times, and half a time" used in Daniel 7 and 12.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/10/09


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\\ Cluny, the peace and safety is what the anti christ will make those who are still here during the tribulation think they have, then it will be taken away and there will be sudden destruction everywhere. If you are not looking for Him to come and take you out from all that is to come in the tribulation, then you will find yourself in it. But I am looking for Him, He will take those who are looking for Him.\\

Not before the Tribulation, He won't.

Jesus prayed, "I pray that You NOT take them out of the world, but keep them safe from the Evil One."

YOU are praying, "Don't listen to Jesus. Take me out of this world."

Who do you think the Father will listen to?
---Cluny on 8/10/09


In Revelation it says who can war against the beast (Revelation 13:4)? Sounds like this could be the United States. And ones worshiped the beast > Chinese worship how Americans have been able to live, I'm told. And a world order meeting, here, in the United States, with a leader who is not royal (Daniel 11:21), who can take over with just a few people (Daniel 11:23-24) and not depend on military. Interesting coincidences? But Hitler tried to establish his world order. Mr. Chavez is working on it. Russia communist tried and the U.S. is believed to have helped topple the Communist order . . . not by military means. So, things can at least appear to fit, here. But isn't Satan's kingdom always working for this?
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/10/09


Mark v-Thanks for your comment. John Darby and other "rapture" views are rather speculative depending on (your) use and mindset of scripture. Daniels 70 WEEKS has been spun different ways to each reader. Many Jews come to Messiah after reading that scripture view, you disagree with.

Dr Gavin Finely at Endtime Pilgrim is a strong proponent of the 7 year Trib.

My point in the question is "if" there is a literal 7 YEAR TRIB(Hama Tsrah) what do you expect to do? It is meant to make the reader prepare for real life events and lessen the mental shock if the Pre-trib "two return theory" is not valid. Who could you trust during those times?
---Yochanan on 8/10/09


I don't know what the Iron Mountain Report says, but I believe the bible and the bible alone about anything to do with historical events. However, America is not mentioned in the bible. If you go to Revelation, the seven churches does describe the state of America -mostly in poor condition.

If I had to go through the tribulation, I would stay steady in Psalm 91. I live in Psalm 91 now, and am preparing to believe it, study it, and put it into my being day and night so that when the Trib comes, I can say, "My God in Him will I trust." and "No evil will come nigh my dwelling."
---anon on 8/10/09


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Yochanan, if you look for "seven year" tribulation in a concordance, you won't find it. The truth is, from Genesis to Revelation, there is no exact passage that specifically mentions a seven-year period of tribulation at all. Amazingly, the entire theory is really based on a rather speculative interpretation of two little words in one single verse. That is found in Dan. 9:27. This two words are, "one week" A whole theology came about out of those two words. Seventy weeks are mentioned, but people interpret sixty nine weeks minus "one week." So why they call it Seventy weeks when it was really sixty nine plus thousands of years later one more week? With that they have the seven year tribulation. Wow
---MarkV. on 8/9/09


Everyone is free to their theological and resources they use to view the endtimes based on facts that present themselves.

They should not be "harrassed" or labeled with disrespectful names etc.

This blog is not a venue for asinine emotional comments against other people with different views. I noticed several blogs that got shut down and rude comments being made. Christanet has a policy about such things.

The endtimes is not a joke and many people will lose their lives. If the report is real, then many need to wake up be praying against any Anti-Christ plans to take over their country. regardless, it will happen, but we have an obligation to stand against such things with wisdom.
---Yochanan on 8/9/09


//Once saved, always saved, Fixed for time and eternity. Going up in the Rapture. What, me worry? I've got peace and safety.

That is basically what is found in Reformed theology as expounded upon by John Calvin in his Institutes of the Christian Religion - something that the works + faith people will not venture to study.

As for the Iron Mountain Report, it is just another one of those end time scenarios that someone has sought to publish and make money on. Those that subscribe to those kinds of things often end up looking like fools not knowing the hour or day of the Lord's return.
---Lee1538 on 8/9/09


#2.....Things were so "conservative" that the high school I had just graduated from the year before did not allow the girls to wear pants of any kind (dresses only). And, that was a public high school. No jeans were allowed. Anyone who came to school dressed inappropriately was sent home to change. There were no sporting events on Wednesday nights or Sundays. Even national football leagues did not have games on those times. Those were times when most people went to church. This just touches the tip of the iceberg about how times have changed for the worse. Jesus is coming soon! Are you ready????
---SusieB on 8/9/09


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Cluny, the peace and safety is what the anti christ will make those who are still here during the tribulation think they have, then it will be taken away and there will be sudden destruction everywhere. If you are not looking for Him to come and take you out from all that is to come in the tribulation, then you will find yourself in it. But I am looking for Him, He will take those who are looking for Him.
---a_friend on 8/9/09


\\ Don't know what that is. Christians will NOT go through the Tribulation.\\

Once saved, always saved, Fixed for time and eternity. Going up in the Rapture. What, me worry? I've got peace and safety.

1 Thessalonians 5:3
For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape.
---Cluny on 8/8/09


Some of this that you talk about could very well be apart of the New World Order, and THAT is coming.
---a_friend on 8/8/09


An alleged leaked think tank report that some beleive to be authentic and not a hoax back in 1967.

Some see the report outlining future plans to bring America under a global power if a state of peace took place by creating enemies (aliens, environmental pollutions and people) eugenics, taking away guns,add drugs to food and water, economic crisis, and combine one police force etc.

I think the greek city state use of war is the model.

Has current events been showing this alleged plan is taking place since 1967?
---yochanan on 8/8/09


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Don't know what that is. Christians will NOT go through the Tribulation. In order for the Anti Christ to come forward, the church (Christ' Bride) must be out of the picture, that is the Great falling away.
---a_friend on 8/8/09


I had never heard of this report before reading your question, but, I did find a link to it on the net and from my reading of it believe it to be a hoax. Certainly not anything to be worrying about. I have never been much of an advocate for any of these conspiracy gags. I know who my Redeemer is and If He so chooses to allow me to go through the time of Greaqt Tribulation, I know He will give me the strength to endure.
---tommy7376 on 8/8/09


War,War,War,
So we got war on terrorism,drugs,illiteracy,poverty, homelessness,hunger...
the media says,
"only the weakminded use drugs,
only fools are illiterate,
only the lazy are hungry,
homeless,poverty stricken"
the Bible says'
"only God can strike terror in the heart"!
God has created all,is it a polite way of saying," War on God "?
---kevin on 8/8/09


What on earth is the Iron Mountain Report of 1967?

Yes, Christians will go through the tribulation.
---Cluny on 8/8/09


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