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What Is The US Constitution

Is there a notion that, somehow, the Constitution is the law governing the people?... or is it for "governing" the government? What do you think? Have you read the US Constitution?

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I like the line in the declaration of independence. WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT,THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED RQUAL.THAT THEY ARE RNDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS,THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE,LIBERTY,AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS.tHOMAS JEFFERSON ,WHO IS ACCUSED BY many to have penned separation of church and stae wrote those words.
---tom2 on 10/20/09


I am more concerned by a proposal sponsored by the Obama administration at the United Nations. It calls for a worldwide crackdown on freedom of speech and a mandate for nations to ensure "that relevant national legislation complies with international human rights obligations" a clear threat to the First Amendment, according to critics.

The resolution was submitted recently by the United States and Egypt.

It demands that all nations condemn and criminalize "any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence."

It would be unlawful for anyone to criticize Islam or Mohamed or any other religion in any form of communication.
---The_Friendly_Blogger on 10/20/09


the preamble is more interesting ,and important.the other acticles are just a list of the branches,and their powers,and duties to meet the goals of the preamble WE THE PEOPLE,great line,but justice has a way of sometimes following money and power,but I agree its an outline for governing government.
---tom2 on 10/20/09


The US Constitution does not give us rights. It asserts that we HAVE all the rights already - given to us by God Himself. It is rather a set of restrictions on government - limiting its rights
well said Jerry!

The "no controling legal authority" comment by Al Gore you cite was earily similar to comments made by Nixon and the attitude shown recently by VP Cheney. Scary.

BTW, the problem with the government is us. It's not some far off hated entity from the wing nuts on talk radio. The government is all those young mothers blown up in the Murrah building, Coast Guard rescuers from Katrina, and Congressional library employees who are stuck in traffic every night and attend Sunday school just like the rest of us.
---larry on 10/20/09


It's for the government to govern us by, but boy are they (the government)taking away our God given rights.
Besides our constitutions was formed from the word of God.
---larry on 10/12/09




Our Constitution was built by men that understood the abuses of organized religion. Abortion = Herod killing the 1st born. Teenage pregnancy = Mary (the 1st unwed Mom). Crusades = Jihad, both are Crimes under the Constitution. The Lies, Deceits, of ChristianDUMB and their Jewish Gods is clear. Our Constitution does not allow our President to rule anyone. God the Father = the King, God the Son(the Prince) & the Spirit - is the Anti ruler - no matter who they are. Our Constitution is anti Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant rule. We the people allowed these clowns to congregate in DC, and take over the Greatest Nation in History. We trusted the untrustworthy, now we will all pay the price for their success.
---G_Edward_Fallon on 10/11/09


Thomas Jefferson: "How necessary was the care of the Creator in making the moral principle so much a part of our constitution as that no errors of reasoning or of speculation might lead us astray from its observance in practice." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Law, 1814.

We who believe in the constitution are at the mercy of Devils. They want Freedom to kill, freedom to commit immoral acts and force their immorality upon the people that are offended by them. The constitution does not support tyranny by the immoral, but rights of the virtuous and peace and happiness to the moral.
"Without virtue, happiness cannot be." --Thomas Jefferson to Amos J. Cook, 1816.
---exzucuh on 9/4/09


While there are some citizens who have read and understand the Constitution, there are but a handful who have read and understand the supporting documents for its creation and revisions into the final signatory draft. The Federalist Papers AND Anti-Federalist Papers give us a virtually irrefutable foundation for every single clause of the Constitution and 1st ten amendments.

But the Supreme Court and other branches couldn't care less what the document actually says or means: or even that it exists, Were the Constitution in force and effect of law, there would likely be but 172 pages left intact after some millions of pages were yanked from the Federal Statutes at Large.

Way too much freedom for us common folk, though.
---BruceB on 9/3/09


The US Constitution does not give us rights. It asserts that we HAVE all the rights already - given to us by God Himself. It is rather a set of restrictions on government - limiting its rights.

My beef is with all the politicians in Congress and the White House who, with their hands on the Bible, swear to uphold the Constitution, and then promptly use it for toilet paper. If the rule of law meant anything in the US, virtually every politician in Washington would be in jail for breaking the laws which the Constitution establishes. But in the famous words of Al Gore, "there's no controlling legal authority." (Translation: The President is the top cop, and no one can arrest him.)
---jerry6593 on 8/17/09


Where have the writers of the Constitution been described as biblical and righteous? Just curious, as I have yet to see that anywhere.

"Very few of the Founding Fathers would be allowed to join one of today's American pop-evangelical churches.

And fewer of the others would want to."

True. Those men would have possessed too much honor and character to get mixed up with the liberal nonsense of today's churches. I couldn't picture one of those statesmen sitting in the church of Reverend Wright, for example, for more than 20 minutes, much less 20 years.
---ralph7477 on 8/13/09




well,thats the problem with the church today.DENOMINATIONS,baptist,lutheran,weslyan,southern baptists,presbaterian,catholic,orthodox catholic,and on and on.seems like we believe when we get to heaven there will be lines for each one there,but guess what ? there wont be.
---tom2 on 8/13/09


Most of the founders were either Christians or deists (believers in God, but not Christians). They were no more enlightened or "righteous" than most men of their day. Slavery was practiced world-wide, so common that it wasn't even questioned then.

I can't think of any reason why they would not be accepted in today's evangelical churches (I don't know about "pop" evangelicals). Of course they would find that things have changed a lot since the 1700's!

The founders are not admired for their holiness, but their assertion that men have rights granted by their Creator, instead of a King... and that goverment acts with the consent of the governed. They put this into a document like none other of the day.
---Donna66 on 8/12/09


//vWE all know at least in part what the Constitution is supposed to be, including the separation of powers, but has anyone been paying attention to how the Supreme court continually violates the intended purpose it should be fulfilling and trying to legislate from the bench? ---tommy3007 on 8/11/09

Quite True. Again, their rulings are based on their opinions. So what really dictates law is the OPINIONS of SC justices and fed circuit court of appeals judges. This is why many judges have held in contempt those who try to use the constitution as their defense in court.

If judges really used the constitution, then we could not legally have a fed income tax- as this current tax is unconstutional.
---Meira on 8/12/09


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It is extraordinary that the American constitution and the writers of that constitution are being described as biblical and righteous!\\

I quite agree.

Very few of the Founding Fathers would be allowed to join one of today's American pop-evangelical churches.

And fewer of the others would want to.
---Cluny on 8/12/09


It is extraordinary that the American constitution and the writers of that constitution are being described as biblical and righteous! The same men and constitution that allowed 1 in 4 of the population to be enslaved, that prevent 75% of the population from voting in national elections and that denied citizenship to millions of American born individuals.

Would someone please point to a period of history and give examples when the founders and the constitution practiced to the mythology of today?
---Janze on 8/12/09


any rights given by man can be taken away.In america since 9-11 it depends on your place of birth as to whether you have any rights.But thats how the world reacts,in 1942 all japanese americans were interned,for being of japanese descent.Women had no rights until I believe the 1920s,blacks in the south until 1969.Like any other piece of paper,words mean nothing,unless we apply them equally.Anyway,its a document outlining the federal government.
---tom2 on 8/12/09


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Donna66: Article V. Amendment Procedures. It is the Amendment process that provides the fluidity of the Constitution. It is that process that allows for changes, such as the Women's right to vote, Prohibition and then its repeal.
---Trish9863 on 8/11/09


WE all know at least in part what the Constitution is supposed to be, including the separation of powers, but has anyone been paying attention to how the Supreme court continually violates the intended purpose it should be fulfilling and trying to legislate from the bench? Much of what they do is a violation of the very document they are supposed to defend! They work a little here and a little there to change the laws to give them more power, and then what?
---tommy3007 on 8/11/09


Trish -- I'm not sure the source of the idea that the Constitution was "intended" to be fluid and change. I don't find anywhere where the founders expressed anything like this. However, the Amendment process allows for changes. It is deliberatly not easy nor quick to amend the Constitution.
---Donna66 on 8/11/09


meira -- you a right that a lot depends on interpretation. If Judge Sotomayor had been on the Supreme Court earlier, they might not have ruled that the right to bear arms was an individual right.

But much of the Constitution is simply a job description for the Executive branch (Pres. VP etc) and the Legislative branch (Congress). The catch is, that the powers of these bodies are LIMITED to the rather sparse duties named in the Constitution! If the Constitution doesn't say you can do it, you can't!

Some Congressmen and most presidents ignore this. Bush did. Obama does. They do what they want regardless of what the Constitution allows. There is no simple process to prevent it even though the country may be endangered.
---Donna66 on 8/10/09


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\\ no the bill of rights were original,amendments came later
---tom2 on 8/10/09\\

The Bill of Rights are the first 10 amendments.

Try again, tom2.

In fact, many states were reluctant at first to adopt the Constitution PRECISELY because it did not contain a bill of rights.
---Cluny on 8/10/09


The Bill of Rights is the First Ten Amendments to the Constitution.

The Constitution was intended to be fluid, and change, hence the Amendments.
---Trish9863 on 8/10/09


no the bill of rights were original,amendments came later
---tom2 on 8/10/09


the constitution is a list of the righteous actions americans should live by, not the you can if you want to ideal most people live by. for example . if everyone was bearing arms would our country be in the mess it is? would politicians dare cut school funding and give themselves raises?
would our children be getting slaughtered in foriegn countries?
not to mention the crime rate would be
nonexistant.
---kevin on 8/10/09


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Hmm . . . so the rights are *ammendments* not found in the original Constitution set up by the "founding fathers"? So . . . does this mean the ones making the original Constitution overlooked the people's rights, at first? Were they aristocrats mainly concerned about themselves? I'm a little suspicious. After what happened to Marie Antoinette, ones more well-to-do and in power might have arranged for there to be a middle class to buffer between the poor and themselves, so the poor couldn't rise up like in France. This is the world > things can be made to look the way ones want us to see things.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/10/09


Good reply Bill_bila. Many don't understand that it is the character of men that run this country. It is the OPINIONS of judges -called common law- that dictate what the constitution says.

Sotomayor (new SC justice) says that the 2nd ammendment applies to the states right, not the individual's right to bear arms. This is her interpretation of the constitution, aka her opinion.

So the constitution really governs neither the government or individuals, but rather the opinions of judges who dictate what we call "constitutional" law governs the actions of men and the Federal Reserve (a private business that lends to the government) dictate what the government does.
---Meira on 8/10/09


both,it has the separation of power between congress,supreme court,and president,or executive branch,and a list of peoples rights listed as amendments. frredom of speech,freedom from illegal search and siezure,and others,including a voting rights for women.
---tom2 on 8/10/09


I have. I'm sure most Americans have, though many have confused the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution in parts.
---Cluny on 8/10/09


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My first thought > "It is a trick." Because it's a standard that ones are not going by . . . not by the originally intended purpose and therefore the rightful interpretation (o: But, to answer your question directly, I understand it's the guideline for the government and for how the people conduct themselves, including in attitude. Trickery can lie in how each has one's own choice and vote > so each of us can be our own God, including to make ourselves
*judges* of candidates we don't even know. The Constitution is at the mercy of the character of the person interpreting and applying it. We are under the *dictatorship* of the character of ones in power, and of our own nature . . . except that God is in control, really.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/10/09


Since the government is made up of the people of this country, the answer to your question is yes to both. The Constitution is the law of the government of the United States. It outlines the rules by which our government runs. It also lists the rights of the people of this country, which places limits on the government's power.
---Trish9863 on 8/10/09


I have read it. I have taught it. And have great admiration for it. Our Constitution is to be used as guideline for both individual people, and the government over individual people. The writer HG Wells has called our Constitution the great experiment and actuality that is a very good analysis. Ideally the Constitution would be used to rigidly controlled those who are governing. One of the biggest offenders of the Constitution has been the presidents of the United States!!!!! Today there is very little left of our Constitution that has not been violated by the politicians.
---mima on 8/10/09


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