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What Is A Israelite

What is the difference between a gentile and an Israelite?

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Trav:
The verses are given so that people can examine them, rather than only read an opinion.
....terms Israel / Jew and Gentile / Greek / Nation, were still used in the following verses: Romans 1:16, 2:9-29, 3:9, 9:24-33, 10:12-13, Galatians 3:7-9, 28-29, Ephesians 2:12-13 / Romans 11:23-29, etc.
---Glenn on 8/21/09

I agree. Verses should witness each other. All of Romans....and Galations, Ephesians is written to Israel. Israel..that had been Gentilized by the Divorce. Confirming Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 9/14/09


An Israelite is one whose ancestor is Israel (Jacob)

In the new testament, it is all persons who are not Israelites.
---Jake on 8/22/09

Jake....there is scriptural conflict with your statements. Understanding the confusion in the churches today, it's common.

All of Israel is found in the New Covenant. It is who the New Covenant is too. Heb 8:8-10. Note the laws. You may be this people.

I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25
---Trav on 9/14/09


Ruben i would be honored to help with your question. The gentiles was a people who were not of the jewish nation they are also refered to as a non isrealite meaning a clan or a group of family. Now the israelities were descendants of the biblical pariarch jacob, they were divided into twelve tribes each descended from one of the twelve sons or grandsons of jacob. The name was given to jacob after the death of issac. Genisis 32:28-29 His descendants are called the house of jacob, the children of isreal.The land of isreal was promised to them by God, and Jerusalem was their capital.
---unity on 9/10/09


MIchael:

Actually, the words "Hebron" and "Hebrew" are totally unrelated in Hebrew. The former is "Chevron" and starts with the letter Chet (a hard "h"), while the latter is "'Ivri" and starts with the letter 'Ayin, it is related to the verb "'Avar", which means "pass" or "cross over".
---StrongAxe on 8/22/09


An Israelite is one whose ancestor is Israel (Jacob)

A gentile is first used in the bible in regards to the Japethic nations of the Isles. Genesis 10:5

In the new testament, it is all persons who are not Israelites.

Believing in Christ makes you become sons of God (1 John 3:1-2), and we are adopted (Romans 8:15) and we are spiritually the children of Abraham

Galatians 3:8 - And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

But this does not make anyone an Israelite. Galatians 2:14 Paul says not to put Gentiles under the law even after Christ died

another verse to note: (Romans 10:12)
---Jake on 8/22/09




Trav:
The verses are given so that people can examine them, rather than only read an opinion.
Perhaps I should have started the previous entry with "from the Jewish perspective", that would be in contrast to ..."the Christian perspective". It is true that God the Father recognizes his own, and that they are separate from those who are the sons of Satan. But the terms Israel / Jew and Gentile / Greek / Nation, were still used in the following verses: Romans 1:16, 2:9-29, 3:9, 9:24-33, 10:12-13, Galatians 3:7-9, 28-29, Ephesians 2:12-13 / Romans 11:23-29, etc. In Romans 2, there is a contrast between those that do evil, and those that do good. Please see verses 16, 28-29.
---Glenn on 8/21/09


Reuben,
Yes, as well as others, there seems to be 2 meanings to these words: the relation to man, if you will, Jew, Hebrew, Israelite from an area or a patriarch, and the relation to God as promises kept the root meaning of the word. I'm sure people could go on and on about these type of dual meanings in words. I thank you for your understanding response and apologize if any of my responses seemed abrupt or harsh.
God bless us all as we find truth.
---MIchael on 8/19/09


Gentiles were all those who weren't Jews. An Israelite was a descendant of Jacob-Israel, excluding the children of prohibited unions, Deuteronomy 7:3, 23:1-8. ......Glenn

This is a topic that bears a little more study by anyone that wants clarity and understanding in scripture. Not picking on Glenn here...
Anyone that was not of Israel the 13 nations....was Hebrew:GOI, singular, GOYIM plural/Gentile.
The N.T. is ethnos (singular), ethne (plural). It is also translated "nations".
10 nations DIVORCED by GOD after Solomon...were "gentilized" if you prefer the term. Not a people is a clue.
A Christian cannot be a "Gentile". Look it up in a dictionary.
---Trav on 8/19/09


Gentiles were all those who weren't Jews. An Israelite was a descendant of Jacob-Israel, excluding the children of prohibited unions, Deuteronomy 7:3, 23:1-8. Proselytes were adopted into 'Judaism', but a Jew who rejected God, becoming a Heathen, was considered a Gentile, Genesis 17:14, Exodus 12:15, 12:19.
From the Christian perspective, the two groups of people are those who have received Jesus as Lord and Savior, and those who have not. Galatians 3:28, Ephesians 2:11-16.
p.s. Eber, the great grandson of Shem, was an ancestor of Abraham. The Iraelites were particularly called Hebrews, Genesis 10:21, 24, Luke 3:35 (Great-great grandson).
---Glenn on 8/18/09


Are there any scripture that support your view on why Abram was called a Hebrew?
---MIchael on 8/18/09

I see what you are saying. But I dont think that it was because he was from Hebron why he was called a Hebrew. But if you do a study of the word you will see what I am talking about. Paul even said that he was a Hebrew of the hebrews, that didnt mean he was from hebron because he was from rome. But we as believers are actullay Hebrews because of what it means. And NT believers were not called christians but "Followers of the Way".

Reuben
---Reuben on 8/18/09




Rueben,
I did not say he was FROM Hebron, I said he LIVED in Hebron as the scriptures say.
Genesis 13:18 Then Abram removed [his] tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which [is] in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.
Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew, for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these [were] confederate with Abram.
Gen 14:13 tells us WHY he was called a Hebrew. and Gen 13:18 tell us Mamre was in Hebron hence the name Hebrew.
Are there any scripture that support your view on why Abram was called a Hebrew?
---MIchael on 8/18/09


Israel is one nation, soon to start the daily sacrifice again.
There's no northern kingdom(Judah), just syrians.

Many nations are atempting to divide the land of Israel now, and it wont be good for anyone involved(Gods words).

God is about to set the borders of Israel back to where they should be, and ALL will know that the God of Israel is God.

Its to bad these ppl wont look at there history and see that their kings of old claimed the God of Israel as God, Soon man must be reminded once again who is who...

Some scary stuff is coming upon man, stay strong and keep your Faith, soon it will be all that we have, Endure until the end, thats what my Brother would say to you...
YLBD
---YLBD on 8/18/09


As for being a Hebrew, Abraham was called Hebrew because he lived in Hebron (Gen 13:18

MIchael on 8/17/09


Hello Michael,

Actullay Abraham was not from Hebron, but he was from the land of Ur of the Chaldeans Gen.11:31 He was called a Hebrew because he chose to follow the voice of YHWH. the word hebrew means to cross over. Thus Abraham crossed over from a pagan lifestyle to following after YHWH.
So if you were to be tecinacal about it believers would not be called "christians" but hebrews.

Reuben 8/18
---Reuben on 8/18/09


Rueben. This was a pretty good blog question. Many interesting viewpoints that make the facts more clearer as we all search this issue out in Yahushua.

thanks
---Yochanan on 8/17/09


A JEW is anyone of tribes of Judah, Benjamin and some Levites (S. Israel) -as these 3 tribes of Israel lived in land of Judea after their exile to Babylon.....
Because the other 10 tribes (N Israel)didnot keep Torah they were scattered into Gentile lands and became as Gentiles were called gentiles.

However, according to prophecy all OT, the 2 house of Israel -Southern Northern Israel will be rejoined into one house again.
---Meira on 8/12/09

Meira knows her scripture on this. Israel...GOD knows who they are and where they are. They are found with laws in their heart and minds....whether they follow them or not is another matter.
Heb 8:8-10, Jer 31:31-33.
---Trav on 8/17/09


I am, a son of God, and i am, whatever that makes me, wheather it be Jew or Gentile, i am his and he is mine.

Jew or Gentile,W/O the blood of Yahshua/Jesus, ALL are equally worthless, God measures a man by his faith, not by his nationality/ethnicity!!!!
YLBD
---YLBD on 8/17/09


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Ephesians 2 tells me that I'm neither Gentile nor Jew, I was before Christ, But now I'm a Christian. As for being a Hebrew, Abraham was called Hebrew because he lived in Hebron (Gen 13:18,14:13) and all his descendents were then called Hebrew. Ex 9:7 refers to Isrealites as opposed to Egyptians, all from the house of Israel. Roman 9:3-4 seems to suggest that Israelites were not saved by faith in Christ. Rom 11:1-6 says there is a remnant of Israelites according to grace. 1Sam 14:21 and 2Cor 11:22 seem to suggest a difference between Hebrew and Israelite. Est 8:17 says many became Jews. Gen10:5 There were Gentiles, even before Abraham, Isaac or Jacob(Israel), so what covenant were these excluded from or didn't know about?
---MIchael on 8/17/09


Yochanan on 8/15/09

this post was amazing!!!
I really enjoyed it!
Keep up the great work and God bless you!
---miche3754 on 8/17/09


the problem of this discussion is, that some talk historically, and others have a modern input. so one needs to understand what viewpoint one has before someone can descide true or false
---andy3996 on 8/17/09


"What is the difference between a gentile and an Israelite?"
The Israelite is one who has been given to embrace and share a covenant knowledge of the Father as LORD and Saviour.
The gentile is one who holds no true knowledge of the covenant of Abraham or of the Father who made it.

Refs. Ephesians 2:12>Romans 9:4>Galatians 4:8>1 Thessalonians 4:5>Etc.
---joseph on 8/16/09


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A gentile(GOIYN) is sometimes defined as a foreigner, stranger, someone without a covenant from Elohim(YHWH).

An Isrealite (Prince of God or El) is someone that is a descendant of the 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob) son of Abraham.

Because Messiah (Yahushua's)FINAL atonement 2000 years ago, Gentiles can be engrafted into Isreal. Ephes 2:13,17

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God, kjv

Although the word says Non-Jewish believers are Isreal, many continue to call themselves Gentiles...and many Jews still call them that too.
---Yochanan on 8/15/09


and you have arabs with an israeli passport, and jews who cannot ghet theire Israeli passport because they are christian /messianic. so to be an israeli does not nessecary indicates your jewishness, as being a jew does not give an automatically right upon Israeli sitizen ship. by the way a jew has to (wether he believes or not) live kosher regardless his believes.
---andy3996 on 8/15/09


On the other hand, you have Jews, both in Israel and elsewhere, who are not religious, period. They are Jewish by heritage. They may be atheists or agnostics, but they are still "Jewish".
---Donna66 on 8/14/09


reuben, any jew in Europe conciders himself a jew, no matter what tribe he's from, since being jewish is religious. if not, then we have to call judaism Israelism instead. If one is ultra orthodox or liberal as a jew does not change that as well.
furthermore, you have jews, pagans and goyims. a gentile is not the same as a pagan, since a pagan always refers to an idolworshipper and a gentile is just a non-jew (regardless their religion).
---andy3996 on 8/14/09


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A "christian" cannot be a gentile. A Gentile is anyone who is NOT an ISRAELITE. A pagan person that was consdered to be a dog Mat 15:26 And a person who was commond and an unclean person Acts 10:28 were gentiles.
But if a gentile came to the Faith are they still a Gentile or a stranger to the covenant of YHWH? NO they may still be the same person on the inside but their nationality has changed. Is.56
In YHWH's eyes there is no such thing as a GENTILE christian. That is contradicting of itself. Its like saying "Im a pagan christian" sounds stupid dont it?
---Reuben on 8/13/09


an israelite is someone holding the Israeli passport, a jew is someone born of the seed of Abraham, isaak and Jakob, or someone who converted to judaism.
---andy3996 on 8/12/09


And Israelite is a desendent of Jacob (Israel). They were not call "Children of Israel" until Jacob had his name changed.
There are 12 sons of Israel and they are NOT all Jews (of the tribe of Judah)

Abraham and Isaak were not Jews. They were Hebrews. As so are all who turn from their pagan ways and follow after YHWH. That is what the word Hebrew means.
---Reuben on 8/13/09


Ken_Rank,
I completely agree with you on your post. Many people do not know that they may be actual bloodline to Abraham, but that's ok, because Elohim knows.

Because the NK was scatterd into gentile nations, they were also called "gentiles". This is mind, the letter of Paul to the galatians and 1 Peter were not so much written to those of non abrahamic heritage, but those who were once part of the "family". The were writing so that the "prodical son" would come home.

However, one does not need to be of abrahamic heritage to come to the knowledge of the truth. this is evident in the form of the mixed multitude that was at mt sinai and mt nebo when the torah was conveyed in Exodus and Deut.
---Meira on 8/13/09


If that is the question, I do not believe that there is any difference between the Jew and the Gentile other than the phyisicality and the geography.
---Janze on 8/12/09


I know what the difference is between them. I have asked the question because so many people seperate themselves from the covenantal people of YHWH and say that they are not part of Israel. The 12 sons were not Israelites until YHWH changed their Fathers name to Israel thus giving them the name for their National standings with the rest of the world. The nation of Israel is YHWH's people and if anyone wants to follow Him they must be grafted into the covenant that YAH made with only them.
---Reuben on 8/13/09


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Meira, I appreciate your post, you have good insight. My only addition would be to question whether a person who is called Israel HAS to be bloodline? Romans 11 and Ephesians 2, in my view, clearly show us ex-gentile dogs as fellow citizens with Israel. (through faith in Yehoshua, grafted in of course)

What you might find interesting is in Ezk 37 you see that the stick belonging to the Northern Kingdom is in the hand of an "offspring," that stick is in the hand of Ephraim. I believe we who are not Israel by blood (that we know of, we may be descendents of the scattered NK) are Ephraim. (the offspring)
---Ken_Rank on 8/13/09


Sorry Adam ,but you are incorrect. An ISRAELI is all those born of the seed of Ya'akob (Jacob) has his name was changed by Elohim to Israel.

A JEW is anyone of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and some Levites (S. Israel) -as these 3 tribes of Israel lived in the land of Judea after their exile to Babylon. A JEW was then also referred to those who still kept the torah. This is why many people call all torah-keeping people "JEWS".

Because the other 10 tribes (N Israel)didnot keep the Torah they were scattered into Gentile lands and became as Gentiles and were called gentiles.

However, according to prophecy all the OT, the 2 house of Israel -Southern and Northern Israel will be rejoined into one house again.
---Meira on 8/12/09


an israelite is someone holding the Israeli passport, a jew is someone born of the seed of Abraham, isaak and Jakob, or someone who converted to judaism.
---andy3996 on 8/12/09


a gentile is someone who will answer a question with a answer.
and a Israelite is someone who will answer a question with a question...
hehehhehhehheheheheheheeeee
sorry, could'nt resist =)
---kevin on 8/12/09


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Gentile = lost, Israelite (Jew) = saved (with Christ). When you get saved, you are grafted into the Jewish bloodline (because of Christ), so you are now a Jew (in religion, not ethnicity). If you are saved and call yourself a Gentile, you are saying you are still lost (without Christ).
---Leslie on 8/12/09


Reuben

Are you asking for the difference between a Jew and a Gentile in terms of their positional relationship to God?

If that is the question, I do not believe that there is any difference between the Jew and the Gentile other than the phyisicality and the geography.
---Janze on 8/12/09


You have to be careful when reading the word Israelites in the Bible.

Isrealites can refer to all of Jacob's descendants or it can mean of or pertaining to ancient Israel or its people.

Gentiles can mean of or pertaining to any people not Jewish, or today can mean a Christian, as distinguished from Jewish.
---Gary on 8/12/09


Anon>>An Israelite is a Jewish Person. A Gentile in a non-Jewish person. That's a simple answer to your question.

>>Respectfully, not a very good answer. "Jew" is the modern short form of the word Judah. And seeing the Southern and Northern Kingdoms are yet to be reconciled (see Ezekiel 37, Jer 31/Heb 8) and "Judah" refers to the Southern Kingdom, than "Jew" does not describe EVERY Israelite. It only describes those who KNOW their lineage... and since the Northern Kingdom was scattered/dispersed after Babylon and haven't returned nor know who they are at the momment... we can't (nor shouldn't) refer to them as Jews.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/12/09


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An Israelite is a Jewish Person. A Gentile in a non-Jewish person. That's a simple answer to your question.
---anon on 8/12/09


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