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Can A Prayer Save You

Taken from the Internet,"Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori says it's "heresy" to believe that an individual can be saved through a sinner's prayer of repentance." Your opinion?

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All this hair-splitting over Scripture is distracting and drives me crazy!

Rom 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Thousands have been guided by this verse to accept God's free gift of Salvation. The message is simple and not a bit controversial to those being introduced to the Gospel for the first time.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek:(even if they disagree...my insertion)
for the same Lord over all is rich unto ALL that call upon him. (caps mine)
---Donna66 on 10/3/09


MarkV: Sorry to hear about your illness. I pray you have a speedy recovery. We live in a highly toxic environment, and it was likely these influences, rather than your supposed sin, that caused the disease.

The sinner's prayer that Jesus advocates is this:

Luk 18:13,14 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other:

Salvation by a rote sinner's prayer is salvation by works!
---jerry6593 on 10/3/09


Mima, Saying the Sinner's Prayer is part of becoming born again. The Sinner's Prayer is found in Psalm 32:3-5+ Psalm 51. BTW, that is one of my favorite songs, "Create in me a clean heart, O God" (Ps.51:10), many singers sing it, I think Kieth Green, whom is passed on, was the first music minister whom I first heard it led in music.
---Eloy on 10/3/09


Donna, thank you sister. It is not many times I call someone sister on line. I am feeling better, had a liver and kidney infection very bad but still got on my laptop. was in hospital for almost a week. Kathr says it was my sin. what else is new coming from her. Keep up the good work Donna, I am answering fewer this days I still feel the pain in my liver when they went in there and puntured it. I had no pain injection so it still hurts a lot. I am glad this is not the complaining or whining blog, cause I sure don't want to whine.
---MarkV. on 10/2/09


MarkV--

Hope you are feeling better. I think your pastor gave you good advice. Some people are obsessed with trying to make certain points about their beliefs. They will divert any discussion, on any topic, into an argument about their favorite subject.

Disagreement only energizes them and encourages them in an "us" vs "them" mentality, which, in my view, is not desirable among Christians.
---Donna66 on 10/2/09




Amen Miche,
The lord calls all men unto HIM. God loves all of HIS creation.
---duane on 10/2/09


Computer repair man has just left my home. When he finished working I ask him a definding question about whether or not he was certain of going to heaven. Yes I am he answered, you do not remember me you asked me the same question three years ago and we said a prayer together. Not only am I certain of going to heaven but my wife and I have have become church members. I want to thank you for praying with me.

It is testimonies like this that make me wonder why anyone would be against a sinners prayer!!! I remind you of John 6:37,"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Believe this verse and you too will lead others in a sinners prayer!!!
---mima on 10/2/09


You know Miche, I had another thought on your testimony. That musterseed size faith most likely was your salvation. Possibly what happened, is like so many of us...we still operate out of our flesh. The Lord had to bring that effort to an end showing you the rest of giving it all over to HIM.

I believe this is our GROWTH sperts all through our our Christian life. I still find myself, as the tests get harder and harder, trying to FIX it myself, and the Lord has to continually bring me down to the dirt so HE can do what I can't. That's our sanctification....not our salvation!

Just some thoughts!
---kathr4453 on 10/1/09

Amen! The stuff God's done for me, I couldnt fit anywhere on these blogs. He's such an amazing God!
---miche3754 on 10/2/09


MarkV, YOU distorted Romans 10:9-10, And then have the NERVE to say I distort scripture. You gave your own commentary on what you THINK Romans 10:9-10 mean.

Did you ever read any verses before 9-10?

NOTHING about what you said. It says, Don't bring Christ up again..don't bring Him down again...it is near you even in your mouth...HE IS RISEN!!!

I rebuke YOU MarkV for lying and bearing false witness against God's Word! Maybe that is WHY your not feeling well. You're driven by your FLESH and that will make you sick.

As witnesses WE witness HE IS RISEN by Christ in us....not by bearing witness of ourselves we are the Elect. Jesus did not bear witness of Himself...The Holy Spirit and the Father bore witness of Him!
---kathr4453 on 10/2/09


Kathr, everything is distorted to you no matter what I say. Even when I am not speaking to you. You need to get your head right with God, and take your mind off of me. For everyday you add to your list of sins not for rebuking my answers but for twisting the Word of God. I rebuke you today in the name of the Lord.
---MarkV. on 10/1/09




When you confess Jesus as Lord, you acknowledge that He is Lord of all things especially your heart by faith. The evidence of a broken spirit open for Christ.
---MarkV. on 10/1/09

MarkV, that is a distorted version of heart. That is NOT what Romans 10:9-10 is saying.

You will fabricate anything won't you.

We're not saved because we confess Jesus is Lord ESPECIALLY of our heart. We believe with the HEART..our will, our conscience JESUS rose from the dead! I don't have to have a contrite spirit to believe Jesus rose from the dead! I just BELIEVE the Report of the Apostles who witnessed it, and proclaimed it...called the Good News!

Our heart is where or conscience and will reside.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/09


All men have the ability to believe(faith) in something. In this dispensation the Spirit of God is striving with all mankind. HE will call, we can choose.
HE will call through the Gospel. Do we hear HIM?
---duane on 10/1/09

Amen brother!
Genesis 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh
God says if he is lifted up, he will draw all men to him!
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me
Sounds like he is calling to every man to me!
---miche3754 on 10/1/09


Yes, a prayer can save, but it has to come from a geniune heart that has a true desire to follow Jesus. If that prayer is genuine, there will be geniune change in your heart and you truly become a new creation.
---helen on 10/1/09


in re kathr to markv (9-30)- Luke 13:4-5 Jesus said, "Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
---Betty on 10/1/09


A sinners prayer does not have to be one you read out of a book. You just admit to God that you are a sinner, tell Him your sins, ask Him to help you give them up & ask God for forgiveness. Let Him know you don't want to sin anymore. Ask Jesus Christ to be Lord of your life. Ask Him to make you a clean, new creature through Jesus Christ.
---Betty on 10/1/09


Now here is the Amplified Bible on Romans 10:9-10.

Romans 10:9-10

9Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10For with the heart a person believes (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Christ) and so is justified (declared righteous, acceptable to God), and with the mouth he confesses (declares openly and speaks out freely his faith) and confirms [his] salvation.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/09


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All men have the ability to believe(faith) in something. In this dispensation the Spirit of God is striving with all mankind. HE will call, we can choose.
HE will call through the Gospel. Do we hear HIM?
---duane on 10/1/09


---Rhonda when I read your post,
"it is not heresy it is antichrist ...there is no "sinners prayer of repentance" ...repentance is TO God The Father in Heaven and Christ is the intercessor ...future gift of salvation is not a hollow act of reciting words." I was reminded of Luke 23-42-43"42-And he said unto Jesus, Lord,REMEMBER ME WHEN THOU COMEST INTO THY KINGDOM .
43-And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Those few words appear to be" a sinner's prayer" anyhow they were accepted as such by the Lord.




---mima on 10/1/09


Please don't use my testimony to spread the your false doctrine.Miche***

You know Miche, I had another thought on your testimony. That musterseed size faith most likely was your salvation. Possibly what happened, is like so many of us...we still operate out of our flesh. The Lord had to bring that effort to an end showing you the rest of giving it all over to HIM.

I believe this is our GROWTH sperts all through our our Christian life. I still find myself, as the tests get harder and harder, trying to FIX it myself, and the Lord has to continually bring me down to the dirt so HE can do what I can't. That's our sanctification....not our salvation!

Just some thoughts!
---kathr4453 on 10/1/09


Speaking for the lost sinner, the Bible commands them to, confess with their mouths. It matter not how you word it, but what you say has to come from a contrite heart, and a broken spirit.
"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." (Rom. 10:9-10).
When you confess Jesus as Lord, you acknowledge that He is Lord of all things especially your heart by faith. The evidence of a broken spirit open for Christ.
---MarkV. on 10/1/09


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"Nana,
Excuse me but how and when was Job saved."
---duane on 9/25/09
2 Corinthians 5:19-20: "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."

Job was very highly thought of by God before his trial. In the end, was he reconciled to God? I believe that he was.
---Nana on 9/30/09


it is not heresy it is antichrist ...there is no "sinners prayer of repentance" ...repentance is TO God The Father in Heaven and Christ is the intercessor ...future gift of salvation is not a hollow act of reciting words

if there were a "prayer" to be recited than Christ LIED when he said DO NOT be like the heathen Mark 6:7 ...any prayer that is repeated over and over again is VAIN ...deceived people follow men who teach contrary to Gods Word creating a "prayer" VAINLY repeated by many
---Rhonda on 9/30/09


Mima: you cannot believe everything you read(books) and certainly not on the Internet. That's for starters. You need to know the truth for yourself and you will not be tossed and turned by every wind of doctrine that you hear. You need to be rooted and grounded,like an oak tree in Christ, and then you can and will be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil.
Satan is cunning and uses every trick or tool at his disposal, to try and confuse Christians. Stand on that rock and that rock is Jesus. Jesus is all that we will every need. He is the same yesterday,today and always. If you will not only read the Word but live the Word,you will endure.
---Robyn on 9/30/09


Its really strange the way some try and convince others to believe their way of thinking. Its all in vain.
A christian knows the right way, he walks IN the LIGHT. There is no darkness.
I put MY trust in the LIGHT(Christ). I could have chose darkness. The choice is yours. Never think God will choose for you.
..What must YOU DO to be saved??..
---duane on 9/30/09


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MarkV, Thanks for the condescending narrative on Miche testimony, as you take her testimony to exploit and use for your ramblings.

It can also work the other way around. many can actually BE SORRY and contrite....but still fall SHORT of salvation, some may call an EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE. WE'RE NOT SAVED BY OUR EMOTIONS!

Being SORRY does not save anyone....but our Faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is what saves. That is the Gospel..the good news...
---kathr4453 on 9/30/09


Excuse me Markv, But yes I did have faith before God revealed anything to me. I went searching because that is what I was told to do by others who searched for him and found him. I believed his word (that came from others) and because he saw I believed He grew that faith that started at the size of a mustard seed.
That was how I was saved!
Please don't use my testimony to spread the your false doctrine.
What God did for me he can and will do for anyone if they just believe.
I was not predestined before coming to Christ. No one is predestined anything except hell until They come into Christ.
You can't go above/below/around. You have to go through Christ period.If you didn't use Christ's door, you are nothing.
---miche3754 on 9/30/09


Our little group of four men have just prayed with 2700 people(in 11 days) at a district fair here in Missouri.

This statement,"I don't know about a sinner's prayer, but I know what God says.
He says to come to him with a broken spirit and a contrite heart." It is impossible to get people to comply with this statement
(say a sinner's prayer) that do not have a contrite heart and a broken spirit. This brokenness and contriteness is caused by the self recognition and guilt of sin.
---mima on 9/30/09


What Miche put down was perfect. And she is right when she said,
"I don't know about a sinner's prayer, but I know what God says.
He says to come to him with a broken spirit and a contrite heart."

She knows now what God says because she is a believer. She knows now that it took for her to have a contrite heart and a broken spirit. When she was lost she didn't know that because she was not a believer. She had no faith to trust in God or understanding that is what He needed from her. What she needed was a new heart, a heart for Christ. God gave her that new heart through rebirth. He granted her repentance and her heart understood what she had done against Him. It was a work of God from beginning to end.
---MarkV. on 9/30/09


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MarkV, you're corrupting the meaning of REBIRTH. You say you're given this Before salvation. You say your NewBirth is not salvation.

MarkV, many here including mima totally disagree with YOU!!!

Jesus IS the gift...NOT faith!!!
ROMANS 5 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT FAITH BUT JESUS!!!
Romans 5: 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.


17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one, much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.

The GIFT is EVERLASTING LIFE.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/09


Moses put his faith in the promised redeemer Genesis 3:15, when he believed God would give him a son...ISAAC. Abraham's belief in this promise was in fact putting his faith in the promised redeemer...who would bring LIFE to those now dead!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/09

Correction...nope wasn't Moses! Ha!

Abraham!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/09


kathr- Matthew 4:17 Jesus preached "Repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand." Luke 13:3 " Jesus said, "...except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Mark 6:12 "And they went out, and preached that men should repent." Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ...." Revelation 3:19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous, therefore, and repent." Those that don't repent are not going to be in God's Kingdom.
---Betty on 9/29/09


Kathr, I would hug and kiss you too if you were close by even though you are on my case forever. You do not have to agree as I said before. If you are a genuine Christian, you would be picking up on what others say, for your theology is very corrupt. I don't mean you are not saved, but you do not even know what rebirth really is and how it takes place. You make statements that are completely false, and compromise the Word of God. Though I am not worried about any True believer because they should already know who saved them. If they don't then they have not the gospel of Christ. If they don't have it, it is because the Spirit has not revealed it to them. Their eyes have to be open and their ears need to hear the Truth and comprehend it.
---MarkV. on 9/29/09


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I don't know about a sinner's prayer, but I know what God says.
He says to come to him with a broken spirit and a contrite heart.

I came to him exactly like this. The problems in my life had me so burdened down and I was sick and tired of trying to fix them myself. It seemed like everyway I turned it was the wrong way.
I remembered when I was a little girl, my grandma always told me that God can do anything and to call on him in Jesus name and he will fix it all. Not always the way we want but he will fix it. I turned to Jesus because he said "come all who are heavy burdened and Ill give you rest". He has even in the trying times Im going through, I trust that HE will fix it according to his will and it will be right!
---miche3754 on 9/29/09


Interestingly Abraham did not have to repent of sin to be counted/Justified righteous.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/09

Here is what I said.

First, we need to understand that from Adam to Moses SIN was not imputed to those at that time. From Moses to Jesus came in the LAW, and through the LAW was the knowledge of sin. Romans 5.

However those from Adam to Moses KNEW they inherited DEATH from Adam's transgression, and that death passed on to ALL men regardless.

Moses put his faith in the promised redeemer Genesis 3:15, when he believed God would give him a son...ISAAC. Abraham's belief in this promise was in fact putting his faith in the promised redeemer...who would bring LIFE to those now dead!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/09


Betty, You can't separate repent from faith and belief correct. Didn't Abraham BELIEVE God? Of coarse he did. Jonah did not asked Ninevah to repent..they weren't even given the option TO REPENT...HOWEVER though believing Jonah's report that God would destroy them resulted in repentance because they BELIEVED what Jonah was saying...and God had MERCY on Nineveh.

I know MarkV is going to hugg and kiss you all over, totally FAILING to see the Truth re..depravity ..repentance, and faith in God's words ANYONE can receive...hearing what you say, what I DID NOT SAY.


John 5:44
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


I wouldn't call her statement heresy, but it is a bit strong. I sometimes say things that sound way off, but I do it to challenge one's thinking and hopefully to raise a point. I also challenge a simple seven word prayer, "Lord, forgive me, come into my life," as a, "now one is saved." I won't say it can't happen, but I doubt it. Perhaps she is saying there is more to salvation than a simple prayer, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
Some promote that type of prayer, and then tell that person that he/she is saved, eternally, and now it doesn't matter what one does, he/she is "in." umm...I doubt it. Sounds like a great disservice to people to promote "a sinners prayer" puts them in.
---Rod4Him on 9/28/09


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kath- Abraham had to repent of sins just like any other person. Where did you get the idea that he did not?
---Betty on 9/28/09


I'm not sure how it is "heresy", since the Bishop didn't cite what she believes her church teaches.
There is no "Sinner's Prayer" that is universally or even commonly used. But any prayer of repentance could properly be called a sinner's prayer. I, myself, know many devout Christian Episcopalians who might find her statement puzzling, since repentance is how they came to truly know the Lord.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


Repentance is inseparable from saving faith. Nor can saving faith ever be exercised apart from repentance.
---MarkV. on 9/28/09

Well MarkV, I was not opposing you at all.

REPENTANCE is to TURN..to Change one's mind.

Here is a good example of repentance:

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas, and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

You see MarkV, they TURNED to God....and they were depraved too. All at the Preaching of Jonah..they HEARD without being Born Again first....their CONSCIENCE was convicted. AND Jonah never ONCE said REPENT!!! Awesome Huh!

Thanks for TAKING THE BAIT!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


Kathr, you are wrong not only about repentance, for all not just Jews, but also wrong when you say that Abraham did not repent. You happen to mention Abraham not repenting when you made your other rediculous comment,
"Interestingly Abraham did not have to repent of sin to be counted/Justified righteous."
You make every effort to oppose me but when you do, you twist the word of God to do so. If Abraham did not repent why was he trusting in God? For what is repentance but a change of attitude toward sin that enables a person to Trust in God (Christ) as our Savior.
Repentance is inseparable from saving faith. Nor can saving faith ever be exercised apart from repentance.
---MarkV. on 9/28/09


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Actually, the Bishop is 100% wrong. The Bible said that if you want to be saved, then you must do five things in order. 1. Hear the Gospel. 2. Believe the Gospel. 3. Repent (this is when you must pray to God/Jesus for forgiveness of your sins and ask him to fulfill you, so the bishop is wrong) 4. Be baptized (Jesus baptized, and we should follow his example) and 5. Live according to his word. I do not like insulting people, as maybe someone is Catholic here, but I believe that the Catholic religion is one of the evils of this world. Nearly everything they do flies in the face of the Bible and all Jesus commanded.
---Katherine on 9/28/09


It is true, we must repent towards God. We must turn(repent) to Christ to be saved. We must believe on HIM.(FAITH).
Repenting from sin has never been achieved by mankind because we are born to sin through Adam. All are sinners.

So, we must be born again. Through faith, we turn to the Cross(Christ). HE will set us free from sin and HE will give us a NEW LIFE. We are finally made righteous and are sinners no more.
This is truth, please believe. There is no other way to Salvation but through Christ.
---duane on 9/26/09


Mary, she is a sinner, for anyone whom says the Truth is heresy is a sinner.
---Eloy on 9/26/09


Nana,
Excuse me but how and when was Job saved.
---duane on 9/25/09


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I know.... The only way to get forgiveness and inherit heaven. Any true believer knows this, because they have the experience. The Person of the Holy Spirit comes to you and convicts you that you are a sinner. And so forth. I KNOW! They will never publish this, because it's too vague, and I am hungry got to go eat, and I'm tired too. Have a good weekend everybody. Be safe!
---catherine on 9/25/09


Mima, .....And it is the sinners prayer of repentance that completes the salvation of the individual. It acknowledges he sinned against God and wants to commit his life to Christ which gives evidence of his heart been convicted by God. The sinners prayer is their confession of faith in the works of Christ on the Cross for his sins and Christ resurrection. Some confessions of faith are false when there has been no repentance from the heart giving evidence there was no conviction from God.
---MarkV. on 8/19/09


Interestingly only Jews were told to REPENT. Meaning turn to Jesus Christ whom THEY rejected.

Interestingly Abraham did not have to repent of sin to be counted/Justified righteous.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/09


Correction...I was wrong about only Jews repenting!

However, I do believe repent means to turn to God FOR the forgivness of sin...so one must KNOW they are a sinner to turn to God for forgivness. Turning to God for any other reason won't result in salvation.

BUT being SORRY for your sin does not save anyone...but placing your trust in God's word that HE will forgive your sin based on Jesus Christ and His work on the cross is when we are Justified by His Blood.
Acts 26:20

20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/09


"How was Paul saved?????"
---duane on 9/24/09

The same way that Job was saved. Go ask kathr about "head knowledge", that it is not enough. A plurality is composed of many singularities, but that works not backwards.
---Nana on 9/24/09


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Hi Eloy, you could have just used the woman's first name only--God knows who she is, and maybe not refer to her as "sinner" but as "woman" perhaps?
---Mary on 9/24/09


sinner katharine jefferts schori needs to get saved.
---Eloy on 9/24/09


How was Paul saved?????
---duane on 9/24/09


"... the teaching ... or the reaching...?"

John and Jesus came calling, "Repent", we should know that they were calling a people which knew of God already. Surpise surprise, even Job said that he knew of God, not that he knew God.
Job 42,5: "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."
Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Romans 10:14: "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

The rule (doctrine is based on rules, not exceptions) then says, teaching comes first.
---Nana on 9/24/09


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She's a liar. If you never repent & pray for God's forgiveness, you won't be saved.
---Betty on 9/23/09


Mima, When anyone goes out to witness to the lost it is their duty to pray to God and ask Him to open the hearts of those we are going to witness to. To bring conviction to their hearts and to bring them to repentance. And it is the sinners prayer of repentance that completes the salvation of the individual. It acknowledges he sinned against God and wants to commit his life to Christ which gives evidence of his heart been convicted by God. The sinners prayer is their confession of faith in the works of Christ on the Cross for his sins and Christ resurrection. Some confessions of faith are false when there has been no repentance from the heart giving evidence there was no conviction from God.
---MarkV. on 8/19/09


OOoopps!!! "save me from eternal damnation!" is what I meant in my post of 8/18
---Donna66 on 8/18/09


Stephen -- What an imagination you have--- being pushed off a building by a crazed lunatic! I agree that if you scream out "Jesus save me from eternal salvation" you'd be saved.
But if, as you say, "You just pray and go on sinning..." lol...Well,I'm not sure how much sinning one could do in the last few seconds of one's life, but maybe a few really wicked people could manage it! :)

It's not some "sinners prayer" that secures salvation, it's the sincerity of the sinner praying that matters.
---Donna66 on 8/18/09


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In connection with this question, let me ask another. Which comes first the teaching(of the convert) are the reaching out to the convert?(Salvation). -- I was just asked this very question during a telephone conversation question with a pastor yesterday.
---mima on 8/18/09


unless you accept you are bought by jesus,s death on the cross,that without him you are lost,and already dead,then no prayer will save you.
---tom2 on 8/18/09


Of course she says this. She wants money. God forbid Jesus save people and she stops making money. I looked her up online. I saw how fancy she was dressed.
---amand6348 on 8/15/09


Is it heresy? To have faith!

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Having eyes!
---TheSeg on 8/15/09


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You're pushed off a building by a crazed lunatic and you are unsaved.

On the way down, you scream out in prayer as your life flashes through your eyes, "Jesus save me from eternal damnation."

I think you'd be saved.

However, if you just pray and go on sinning, then you are truly doomed.
---stephen on 8/15/09


it is a heresy to make a statement as such, and it is minimising the faith of billions of persons who started their relation with Christ with a prayer of repentance. however it is true that a prayer alone cannot save, and your life should be a life of repentance in accordance to the sinners prayer one made.
---andy3996 on 8/15/09


Can a prayer save you? I remember the song.
I believe above a storm the smallest prayer, will still be heard.
I believe that-someone in the great somewhere hear every word.
I believe, I believe.

And not only the smallest prayer!
But, the very air you breathe.

Have you every stood over a baby, as they slept.
Well, there do you think your father is?
God, he loves you! Sleep well.
God bless
---TheSeg on 8/14/09


Of course god hears the prayers of sinners, why should he ignore a man/woman deep in sin and wanting to repent?

What kind of advice is that, What!!!! Jesus came for the unrepentant sinner not for the saved. He is a savior to sinners and came to do just that save people of their sins.

I was deep in fornication, sin and shame I always prayed, I may not have felt blessed but he told me through his word to follow him and my life would change and it did, he heard my cry.I turned my back on my children's father and his unfaithful lifestyle and stepped into the shelter of the Lord.
---Carla3939 on 8/14/09


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All a man must do is believe on HIM. Its by grace through faith. We must turn to Christ for HE is the only ONE who can free you from sin and give life. HE takes sin away. All mankinds efforts for salvation are in vain.
We do the will of the Father by trusting in HIS SON.
---duane on 8/14/09


1 Corinthians,
"But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness, but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

That's a lot of preaching material! Mima only teaches men to say "Lord, Lord", ok, you are done. There is something not right in making a doctrine of just one point, it has no substance. Philip of ACTS 8 is a good role model of a sound ministry.
---Nana on 8/13/09


There is NO SUCH thing found in the Bible as "the sinner's prayer" so it is heresy (false teaching) to say such a thing. For one thing, God does not hear the prayers of unbaptized sinners. For another thing, the ONLY way to become saved is to HEAR or read God's word, UNDERSTAND it, REPENT of your sins, CONFESS your understanding, repentance and faith, be BAPTIZED, and then live FAITHFULLY. It's that simple.
---WaPa on 8/13/09


Yes, A prayer without deeds can save a mans soul.
Nobody knows what's in a mans heart. Only Jesus does the judging and to say one person hasn't a chance because you believe it's so, just represents a common ignorance about the teachings of Jesus.
Brought about by the churches need to control man. Wake up. We're not the judge.
We're the forgivers....Put that deep in your heart and cling desperately to it.
---JusSumguy on 8/13/09


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To---Lawrence, How would you handle the verses in the Bible that say this,
Romans 10:13 and Acts 2:21 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." ? These are straightforward definitive questions so how would you handle them? Are they of none effect, are they untrue? What say you ?
---mima on 8/13/09


Just praying the sinners prayer is NOT enough. Faith with out works Is dead. God's One & Only Salvation Plan,Mark 16 v 16 - Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20,Gal 1 v's 8-9. From God was given to Apostle Peter & was delievered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost,Apostle Paul brought This Very Same to us gentiles.

Man's teaching for salvation is the,father-son & holy spirit baptism,along with easy believism,repeat aft me & the such like. In the K-James Bible,No one found in scriptures that was baptized in the titles. This All started r-catholocism the first trin-church. Again,Man-made ideas & Not scriptural.
---Lawrence on 8/13/09


you must believe that jesus died for you,that salvation comes thru him,you must realize you are a sinner,lost in the world,you must repent,and ask him into your life.Aprayer realizing what you are,what jesus did are whats required.
---tom2 on 8/13/09


Her comments on this and other issues seem muddled, yet somewhere in there are grains of truth.

The grain of truth here is that just saying a specific formula "sinner's prayer" is only a work and can't save you.

But from this she seems to build a bizarre attack on personal salvation and grace and says that can't save you.

Odd!

I wonder what she thinks does or can save you?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/13/09


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I've been saying the same thing for years, and on these blogs.

Where do people get the idea that they can decided all by themselves to be saved and say a short prayer formula, and are automatically saved?

As I've said, this is nothing more than the heresy of Pelagius.
---Cluny on 8/13/09


I looked at an Episcopal web presentation of her message with this in it. It is not clear to me what she really understands and means. She's saying something about how getting redeemed is not what comes just with an individual saying a prayer to Jesus for salvation. But that being redeemed comes with all together as one. But she is not clear how this is done to get each individual into this. I believe an individual comes to one's realization that one needs Jesus, but this involves all of us who have been reaching to and ministering this person to trust in Christ. And "No one can come to Me unless . . . the Father draws him," Jesus says in John 6:44 > "everyone who has . . . learned from the Father comes to Me." (in John 6:45)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/12/09


Aren't we all sinners?
Who knows what's in a man's heart?
Prayer is an entity to itself. A sinners transgressions can't corrupt a prayer. Prayer belongs to God.
---JusSumguy on 8/12/09


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