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catherine:

This country was in trouble long before Obama took office. We were amassing a huge deficit under George H. W. Bush, which turned back into an upswing under Clinton, and then an even more severe downturn under George W. Bush, with his trillions of dollars of spending on the war in Iraq but no way to fund it. Remember that the whole bailout idea (and all the financial mismanagement that led to it) occured under the Bush administration. The bailout proposals were made long before Obama took office. Obama is just trying to put all the fires out so we don't end up in a second Great Depression.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/09


Well, Obama certainly isn't helping. He is going to make everything worse. Just what we needed.
---catherine on 8/22/09


Obama is helping nothing! I cannot explain how much trouble our country is in. It is going to be a long four years!
---catherine on 8/21/09

This country was in trouble LONG before Obama became president.
---NurseRobert on 8/21/09


OK brother Ralph-Obama is brilliant and maybe knows what he is doing but the bible says nobody know the heart of the man but the man so I won't assume. A person may not like health care or the stimulus, but we err in judging the motives behind both plans. Some actually believe millions without health care is a moral issue, others are on a ideological warpath against or to expand all government. Anyway, its hard to bless someone if we are overcritical so I need to be more careful. I like Obama I just think he blew it on selling health care. I've liked and prayed every president in my life time, for I look at them as frail men in needs of God's grace. They are just like me and most of the guys on the bus enroute to Promise Keepers.
---larry on 8/21/09


Really, Mr. President? Exactly who is the "We" you refer to? How did you land this "partnership" with God and does God even know about it?
---ralph7477 on 8/21/09

Obama has as much right to make this claim as Bush, Palin, McCain, and even YOU, Ralph.

Regardless if you support him or not, half of the people in this country still approve of him. This is in spite of the pitbull politics the right throws at the American People.

Please feel free to run for office if you think you can do better.
---Nurserobert on 8/21/09




Obama is helping nothing! I cannot explain how much trouble our country is in. It is going to be a long four years!
---catherine on 8/21/09


One more time I will point out, the taking away of one and giving to another, ie (kash for clunkers)and redistribution of wealth, and printing more and more monie will inflate our economy so that we will end up just like Zimbabwe. This is wordly wisdom at it's best. The height of stupidity and ignorance. Now we can see those who profess to be wise. The Bible calls them fools.
---wayne on 8/21/09


Now it's my turn, Larry. Describing Obama as "sophomoric" implies that he is simply immature and inexperienced. The truth is that he knows exactly what he is trying to do and his true colors are becoming more apparent with each passing day.

During a recent conference call with rabbis, Obama told them, "I am going to need your help in accomplishing the necessary reform. We are God's partners in matters of life and death."

Really, Mr. President? Exactly who is the "We" you refer to? How did you land this "partnership" with God and does God even know about it? This guy is something else. Of course of Bush or Sarah Palin said the same thing they would be labeled dangerous, religious kooks.
---ralph7477 on 8/21/09


Thanks Alan,I did not submit the post twice. God bless Ralph, I was just trying to correct your error in believing Social Security operates as a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi" has become an umbrella word for any system considered fraudulent.
I formerly sold commodities so excuse my obsesson with economic wordsmith accuracy.


On the question: President Obama hasn't really done anything to help or hurt the economy. Instead he's done a sophomoric job trying to sell what congress has proposed or passed.
While his name is in front of "stimulus" or "health care", he's the author of neither. He left authorship to Pelosi, Reid, Baucus and the Gang of 6, a huge mistake which has probably doomed health care reform.
---larry on 8/20/09


If you are answering several blogs at one sitting, it's fairly easy to become momentarily confused and send the same response twice. At least, it's happenend to me.
---Donna66 on 8/20/09




Yeah Alan, I figured it was just one of those things but at this point I'm simply trying to have a little fun because I honestly have no idea what in the world Larry was trying to get across.

Dismantling SS for 43 million? Soldiers, post office workers and Congressmen finding their own way?"

I admit I have no clue what any of that is supposed to mean. It must just be me.
---ralph7477 on 8/20/09


Ralph ... I don't think it was Larry who did it. Many others including Trish and Mark had posts published twice.
I suspect a gremlin in the system
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/20/09


Larry, you didn't need to submit your comment twice. The second read-through didn't make any more sense than the first time. You seem to subscribe to the notion that your viewpoints gain legitimacy through repetition. But we only get 75 posts!
---ralph7477 on 8/20/09


Ralph- you proved my point in the first sentence of your second paragragh thanks.

As I am saying for the third time which neither you or StrongAxe read, Social Security IS required and Ponzi schemes are NOT required therefore they have no common ground in truth and the description of SS as a Ponzi scheme is inaccurate. A comparison with the tax system would have been accurate.

I am apolitical and did not challenge your posture against government health care, I was only bemused by the hypocrisy of free market health care proponents for making no attempt to dismantle SS for 43 million and tell 8 million other federal employees including soldiers, post office workers and Congressmen to find their own way.
---larry on 8/20/09


Ralph- you proved my point in the first sentence of your second paragragh thanks.

As I am saying for the third time which neither you or StrongAxe read, Social Security IS required and Ponzi schemes are NOT required therefore they have no common ground in truth and the description of SS as a Ponzi scheme is inaccurate. A comparison with the tax system would have been accurate.

I am apolitical and did not challenge your posture against government health care, I was only bemused by the hypocrisy of free market health care proponents for making no attempt to dismantle SS for 43 million and tell 8 million other federal employees including soldiers, post office workers and Congressmen to find their own way.
---larry on 8/20/09


NurseRobert....The Republicans have done the same thing the democracts have done in my 60+ years of life----NOTHING! Don't blame the republicans. This problem has been here for years.
---SusieB on 8/18/09

Susie, the republicans have been blocking health care reform for years. Reagan was particularly good at it.

60+ years? are you eligible for medicare??
---NurseRobert on 8/19/09


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Employers are legally required to keep these soldiers' jobs open"
---Sag on 8/18/09

Not necessarily true. Google the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA. It outlines when employers don't have to give a job back.

Im a big proponent of military service (I spend over 30 years in the military, both active and reserves, my wife was in the army, my son in law was a marine and my son has joined the navy.) I also believe the goverment spends too much on the military. I hope Obama vetos the spending bill with all the military pork, pork even the military does not want.
---NurseRobert on 8/19/09


larry:

You are right - nobody is FORCED to join social security. Only people who want to work, eat, have a roof over their heads, etc.

Just as in Revelation, nobody is FORCED to take the Mark of the Beast - only those who want to buy and sell.

(Which, in both cases, means practically everybody).
---StrongAxe on 8/19/09


I've down loaded the W'''' house version of the HC bill, there are 1017 pages, and "secretary" is mentioned 1136 times. Example... the sec shall determine, the sec shall oversee, the sec shall monitor, the sec shall view, and it goes on and on. This is the biggest bunch of hogwash i've ever read. I don't need the sec telling me anything. This bunch of thugs don't seem to have a real life, so they have to meddle in ours. This has gone past democrat and republicans. It's a threat to all of freedom loving people.
---wayne on 8/19/09


Larry, your "eligibility" diversion is meaningless. But since you want to dance around the issue of the program itself by trying to focus "eligibility", I would have to conclude, if I play along with what you've written, that a private Ponzi scheme is actually more moral than the government schemes.

The private schemes don't force anybody to participate, yet the government schemes require you to involuntarily pay a portion of your earnings into an insolvent program through the force of law. The schemes themselves are identical by way of what happens to the money once they get it. So what exactly is your point, assuming you have one?
---ralph7477 on 8/19/09


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Ralph, RIF (reading is fundamental), again no one is enticed to join SS you simply become eligible. The aforementioned remains true. Donna -You don't become automatically eligible for a Ponzi scheme and its not required participation as is Social Security. I understand the urge to use Ponzi as a pejorative but the use is ill-advised.
As for trying to opt out of SS see Dick Armey of Freedom Works as exhibit A. He is trying to opt out but this rings hollow as he did not for one session refuse the governments Congressional health plan the most expensive of all so-called Cadillac plans.
---larry on 8/19/09


Obewan, true to the Ponzi scheme model, any funds over and above what was necessary to pay "investors" have been skimmed off and are gone. There is no trust fund except on paper. Much like the monthly statements that Ponzi scheme victims receive, it's all fictitious. There is no big pile of money somewhere that was socked away for retirees. If S.S and Medicare were private sector entities, the Feds would have swooped in by now and people would be sitting in prison next to Bernie Madoff.
---ralph7477 on 8/19/09


One example of how the government handles healthcare is Medicare Part D for prescriptions. If you do not enroll in Part D when you are eligible for Medicare, you are penalized when you do enroll at a later date. However, if you total what you would have paid for the Part D premium and compare it to the penalty, you are ahead. So, the penalty is meaningless.
---SusieB on 8/19/09


A ponzi scheme is a system that pays old investors with money from new investors. This is where we are now with S.S. and Medicare. Receipts are not covering expenses. ---ralph7477 on 8/19/09

Is it really? I thought it was a trust fund that was paid interest with enough money to cover outflow before it was robbed by politicians to pay for trillion dollar deficits.
---obewan on 8/19/09


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NurseRobert....The Republicans have done the same thing the democracts have done in my 60+ years of life----NOTHING! Don't blame the republicans. This problem has been here for years.
---SusieB on 8/18/09
If you believe that, you have really had your head in the sand.

The Democrats would have had socialized medicine enacted 40 years ago if the Republicans had not been putting up such a huge fight.

Everyone with a grip on reality knows that there is only one party in America that really wants socialized medicine. And, that does not mean I am for it either.
---obewan on 8/19/09


Larry, what do you mean "no one is enticed to join S.S."? We are compelled to join! Try telling the government that you've chosen not to participate and you would like to stop "investing" into the system. See where that gets you. A ponzi scheme is a system that pays old investors with money from new investors. Eventually, there are not enough new investors to pay the old ones and the scheme fails. This is where we are now with S.S. and Medicare. Receipts are not covering expenses. Hence, insolvency.

Furthermore, issues like abortion should be left up to the States. The Constitution does not empower the Federal Government to be involved in pregnancy, therefore it's supposed to be a State issue.
---ralph7477 on 8/19/09


Social Security functions EXACTLY like a ponzi scheme! That's why it is in trouble. It might not be as bad if we were "enticed" to join. But it's quite involuntary. We are automatically enrolled and our contributions taken from our pay check.
---Donna66 on 8/18/09


Ralph - a Ponzi scheme fraudulently entices investors, no one is enticed to join Social Security, participants are simply made eligible. You err in your use of the language.
Patricia - the abortion issue is significant, on the other hand McCain finessed the issue by saying it should be left up to the states.
Bush opposed abortion but then pushed for a war against a country that didn't attack or provide any proof of plans to attack the U.S.
We then bombed a civilian city the size of Chicago to Smithereens. When God said he hates the shedding of innocent blood it includes the born and unborn.
The 90-years outside the womb are every bit as important and the 9-months inside the womb.
---larry on 8/18/09


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Brothers and sisters - while both parties are not serious about governance remember the real tax increases are at the LOCAL level where property taxes are increasing by the average of 15%.
If you get beyond the cable news hype its your power, property and school taxes, county gas or personal state taxes, garbage rates and even increases in fishing licenses that are killing everyone of us.
We are screaming at the Prersident but being nibbled to death by ducks at the local level. Its like the frog in gradually boiling water, our city councils are taxing and feeing us to death and nary a protest at council meetings. Maybe WE are the problem.
---larry on 8/18/09


State and Federal governments continue to offer "incentives" to get people to sign up for the military. From there, the soldiers are off to "questionable" wars. Employers are legally required to keep these soldiers' jobs open, but probably get little, or no, financial help from the governments.
I'd say that we need to cut the military budget A LOT. The "war industry" complains that that would involve lots of layoffs in the defense business.

Well, if the USA has the money for all this military monkey business, the country must have more than enough money for Health Care. Our politicians are spineless wimps who don't have the courage to stand up for what is right for USA citizens in THIS country.
---Sag on 8/18/09


NurseRobert....The Republicans have done the same thing the democracts have done in my 60+ years of life----NOTHING! Don't blame the republicans. This problem has been here for years.
---SusieB on 8/18/09


I have never heard anyone like BHO push so hard for a piece of legislation as the HC bill. I don't think it's his love for the people. It's like he's got an obsessive control problem.
---wayne on 8/18/09

Maybe its because you have a suspicious nature?

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, its because he has a desire to help those who need the help. Health care has been a mess in the country for years. What have the republicans done about it?
---NurseRobert on 8/18/09


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I have never heard anyone like BHO push so hard for a piece of legislation as the HC bill. I don't think it's his love for the people. It's like he's got an obsessive control problem. If a sales person keeps insisting that we buy something after awhile we should get suspicious of their motive.
---wayne on 8/18/09


It's always just whining or complaining about the blog question, or about radio or TV broadcasts and Bush (still).

No matter how much power they have, no matter how big their majority, no matter how much they get of what they want, they are still never happy and always find things to moan about. Weird.
---ralph7477 on 8/17/09



We learned it from the rightwingers, especially YOU Ralph. I honestly don't remember any post from you that wasn't complaining about the left.
---NurseRobert on 8/18/09


Yes Medicare is socialized medicine. It is also broke and unsustainable in its current form. Medicaid is also broke. Social Security is on the way to bankruptcy and also unsustainable. All government ponzi schemes.

Oh I'm sure those are just flukes. Let's let the government run more things. Government knows what's best. Government is most efficient. Government is so much more moral than evil business.
---ralph7477 on 8/17/09


DO you know for SURE he(G. Bush)told a LIE "Intensionally" to America?
I don't think so,
HOWEVER, Obama has told you numerous lies(Intensionally) and he has his people telling you lies everyday.

Actually he speaks with double meanings too,
Like:Grandma wont get unplugged
(Because grandma aint gettin plugged in)

God see's the doubleminded/two-faced/forked tongue standard's ppl have, I would be careful being like that, it wont go unanswered, those ppl will give account for such things when the books are opened.

Bearing "False witness" will bring many men/women to Hell.
IT AINT WORTH IT
YLBD
---YLBD on 8/17/09


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Janze-you are exactly right Medicare's 43-million and 8-million other government workers are already socialized medicine - the largest of all government programs. Let's see if they return after Labor Day and attempt to dismantle that program. Don't hold your breath? The hypocrisy of on both sides is breathtaking.
We are so inconsistent in the face of the Lord and waste even more time with arguments in the flesh as if we have never read Ephesians 6:12. Its ridiculous.
Leave those hypocrisies to pagans like Limbaugh and Pelosi. Christians are peculiar and different and should have no interest taking sides in politics but instead truth and righteosness.
---larry on 8/17/09


Helping the economy will not restrain the judgment that is coming because of the innocent blood that has been, and is still being shed in the abortion mills provided 'by the people of the people and for the people'. I didn't vote for Obama for just that reason. I was out voted. Some self proclaimed Bible thumping 'Christians' actually told me to vote for him and when I said I could never cast my vote for some one who has voted against pro-life at every turn, they said, 'pray and God will change him'. Sometimes I wonder if some 'Christians' have actually gone crazy. I have no other expanation for it.
---Patricia on 8/17/09


Here is the BASIC MATHEMATICS concern that I have. I can't seem to solve my math equation:

More money is being SPENT on the military, space programs, Medicare, Social Security, economic stimulus, etc.

While all that is seemingly being done without any concern that the increasing Federal budget deficit, more people are losing their jobs and not paying as much in taxes as before. LESS Federal Income tax, LESS State Income tax, LESS Social Security tax, etc.

In elementary school, I learned that BOTH sides of a math equation must be EQUAL. Barack Obama's spending doesn't seem to match what I learned in my math class. I'll let you solve the math equation using the data I've provided above. A tough one!



---Sag on 8/17/09


Its hard to say because the stimulus and the 5 health care proposals are acts of Congress not the President.
His budget proposal however slows the rate of increase in the deficit from the Bush administration so I guess the answer is yes.
More importantly for the few of us who were actually praying for the president, he is now under enough pressure that he starts his day with a devotional that the director of his Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships initiative, Pentecostal pastor Joshua DuBois, sends to his BlackBerry.

I have been praying for his safety from terrorism and the far right and praying that he comes to a real relationship with our Lord and Savior. Thank you Jesus for every little step.
---larry on 8/17/09


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Remember why we fought England...they were imposing such ridiculous taxes on our people for the purpose of depleting our finances...they wanted to make us so dependent upon them that we would fall economically, which would give them complete domination over our colonies. This is what the democrates are trying to do to America. THey are spending us into oblivian! In just the first 100 days of this new administration, the US has spent FAR MORE than we have EVER SPENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! Incredible! The govt is working to bring us to our knees. Remember England's excessive taxation on our colonies and the reason behind it.
---Linda on 8/17/09


It is really quite telling that the liberals who post on these blogs never seem to come up with anything positive to say. It's always just whining or complaining about the blog question, or about radio or TV broadcasts and Bush (still).

No matter how much power they have, no matter how big their majority, no matter how much they get of what they want, they are still never happy and always find things to moan about. Weird.
---ralph7477 on 8/17/09


Wayne:

You have not specifically pointed to anything that President Obama has said that was not true. However, you cannot be suggesting by your statement, that George Bush did not lie to the American people and the rest of he world about his desire to wage war against the Iraqi people? Even at this point, some of his lies are still believed by many rightwing republicans.
---Janze on 8/17/09


There is only one solution,
Repent as a nation or die as one.

Turn or Burn is my philosophy, but we won't, we've come to love the wages of sin in this country and sin is a REproach to ANY nation.

Openly parading our sin's before Gods eye's has brought a stench unto his nose, and with a blast of his nostrals we shall be destroyed.

Actually, G. Bush did the best he knew how to,
don't let Bush's mistakes blind you to what Obama's doing,done...

W/O a God fearing America, there is no world, at least as we know it!
Let today be the day that you choose whom to serve, Right or wrong, good or evil, God or the devil, Just remember by NOT making a choice, you have already made one!!!!
---YLBD on 8/17/09


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Now you'll never hear anything like that on the other news stations except Fox news. They won't even show anything about the TEA parties because they are afraid of BHO. Is this what you want Robert, a state controlled media?
---wayne on 8/17/09

This is bordering on the absurd. Your right wing paranoia amazes me.

You get your info from Limbaugh? The guy with half a brain (the other half is tied behind his back). Limbaugh, along with Hannity and Beck, distorts, manipulates and outright fabricates his information. He even has said he is not a journalist, but an entertainer. Fox is not a network, its a propaganda machine for the right wing.
---NurseRobert on 8/17/09


Yahshua/Jesus told us that nation shall rise up against nation, and "ethnic" shall rise up against ethnic in the end days.

Man(Godly Men), can only take so much evil being forced upon him before he reacts and stands up for rightenous.

Remember, the days inwhich man has never seen, nor shall ever see again, are upon us,
soon the bitter hand of Satan will have the reins of this world, be thankful, it is only
for a short time...
YLBD
---YLBD on 8/17/09


Obama's actions will turn into a mass anger when people are hungry and homeless and cannot find heat in winter (winter is coming). Unless our government changes its economic and spiritual course 180 degrees, chaos in one form or another is an inevitability. There is no way to stop this train wreck from happening and the enormous and almost certainly violent social fallout that will ensue when it does.
To understand the above statement one doesn't have to be an economic genius just a understanding of economics 101 makes the statements painfully clear !! These results were not caused by Obama but by Mr. Bush. Obama solution to the problems have only exacerbated the problems!!!! I know of no solution however I see the pain coming!!!
---mima on 8/17/09


Janze, nobody has said that i can remember that the last 6 months is the cause of this mess. This has been going on for the past 40 years.
Robert and Allen, BHO stated just what I said, and he said it would take 10 to 15 years to impliment the one payer system. It was an audio clip I heard On Rush's program. Now you'll never hear anything like that on the other news stations except Fox news. They won't even show anything about the TEA parties because they are afraid of BHO. Is this what you want Robert, a state controlled media?
---wayne on 8/17/09


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Patricia:

If god functions in the way that you suggest, he is already punishing America and Americans for decades of gross wickedness.
---Janze on 8/17/09


HI!! I've just tweaked my yahoo page, and found this blog here on one of the christian links. You all have very interesting, knowledgeable, and opinionated ideas about the occurrences of the American government. Although, I think everyone has missed a very important aspect of this situation. The fact that God is in control. America is mentioned in Revelations one time, which is a debatable reference at that. There is no doubt in my mind, no matter who is the current president, that America will not be here in the end, one way or the other. Could be now, could be later. We will either be destroyed, or join another nation. Personally I'm seeing a pretty realistic avenue towards Canada, North America, and South America joining as one.....
---John on 8/16/09


Wayne ... As an observer, it seems you have double standards.

You won't accept what Nurse Robert heard in 2004.

Why should he accept what you say you heard in 2003

Keep a level playing field and play fair.

Where did you hear the 2003 statement?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/16/09


The problem is, Wayne, is you hear what you want to hear. Try spending some time researching instead of listing to Hannity or Limbaugh. You might just learn something.
---NurseRobert on 8/16/09


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see Robert, that's the thing with liberals. We can hear someone say something, and you will tell us not to believe our ears. That's the basis of your logic. Please if that's the best you can come up with I'm wondering if you just like to debate, or if you really think we don't know what we are talking about.
---wayne on 8/16/09


I 2003 BO stated that he favored a single-payor system, but thought it would probably take 10-15 years to initiate such a program.
I think he says whatever seems advantageous to him at the moment and to that particular audience. He'll deny it later, if he wants to, hoping nobody will remember.
---Donna66 on 8/16/09


In February 2004, about a month before the primary election in the U.S. Senate race, the Associated Press reported the stance of all the candidates on universal health care. "Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible.

Obama has never pushed for a single payer system.

Another right wing "half truth"?
---NurseRobert on 8/16/09


Alan, in 2003 BHO said he was in favor of a one payer system. In 2007 he said he's never said he's in favor of a one payer system. What bothers me is the press is not pointing this out to the people. more later, I promise.
---wayne on 8/16/09


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Anyone who points to a six-month presidency as the cause of Americas problems is either simply deceitful or is being deceived.
---Janze on 8/15/09


Interesting point. I doubt the rightwingers would agree..
---NurseRobert on 8/15/09


Aw, come on Nurse. Don't pout. These questions are very open ended. It's a perfect opportunity for you to trumpet all the things that are good... if you can think of any.
---ralph7477 on 8/15/09


I feel badly for Obama. Not only is he black/white but has lived in many places in his life time. So everyone jumps on him, poor guy. As far as the economy goes, he is bringing us out of it slowly...and that is a good thing. We have tried to get health care for every American since The 40s, and no, not one Republican president has wanted it, and they always veto it. I have health insurance...but that has not always been the case, and I struggled,
so I am one Christian American that would like to see everyone have H I.
---amamda on 8/15/09


I though that George W. Bush might be the worst U.S. President after his untrue stories to justify invading Iraq, doing wire taps, etc.

Well, it looks as though Barak Obama is well on his way to being the worst U.S. President now. It seems like his mega-spending programs are guiding the USA into being a dept-ridden, socialist country. Most people know that all that will only destroy the capitalistic system that the USA is known for.

The USA economy needs government help in ENCOURAGING more capitalistic growth. Not more government spending that hinders that.

Remember the Beatle's song "Back In The USSR"? That's where the USA is headed. Sad, but true.




---Augie on 8/15/09


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Promotion doesn't come from the east, the west, or the south, but God puts one down and sets up another. He judges nations for the shedding of innocent blood.
{37Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,

38And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.Psalms 106.
Obama was elected by the people for economic reasons, but as long as we have a president who won't stand against abortion, and stand up for those 'who can't speak for themselves' to deliver them from death, this nation will not only never attain the prosperity Obama promises, but will face the judgment of Almighty God.
---Patricia on 8/15/09


Wayne ... In the UK we have not heard of Obama being an outright liar.

Can you give details? His actions will probably have more effect on my country than our own politicians, so I would like to know.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/15/09


Obama is hurting the economy in every way. He is breaking even more what is already broken. I am telling you, his main goal is to destroy America from within, because he hates America. I am NOT racist, but this is what he is truly doing. He is the next Hitler.
---Leslie on 8/15/09


Jantz -- Socialism is not a bad word. It is a philosophy based on the principle "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Marx and Socialists before him, coined the phrase for this utopian idea.

There are legitimate responsiblities of government according to the Constitution.(try reading it) i.e. "all branches of the military, the school system, the production and distribution of the utility services, the flight paths of air planes, the road and highway systems, the elections processs..."

Medicare and Medicaid are NOT, but were begun humanitarian purposes.

Government take-over (not just regulation) of private companies and private property is a foretaste of socialism.
---Donna66 on 8/15/09


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NurseRobert...Hope you don't make over $250,000 a year. Just yesterday a private citizen told President Obama that he couldn't possibly pass any kind of universal health care and not raise taxes, Obama's answer was that he couldn't, but that he would not be raising taxes for anyone making under $250,000 per year. Wonder how quickly Obama's campaign contributions for next election started dropping after that comment.
---SusieB on 8/15/09


Janze: Thank you for the most intelligent thoughts on this subject I have read in ages. You are absolutely correct in what you have said about this issue.
---Trish9863 on 8/15/09


I really don't care whether he is or not. The poor are becoming poorer and the gaps between classes are becoming wider. The middle class are becoming the poor. We can't make politicians leave no matter how much "picketing" of Washington that we do. A revolution might be coming soon. Remember the depression?
---amand6348 on 8/15/09


politicians are bad enough, but to have BHO being an out right liar takes us further down the wrong road. The heavy handed politics is being used, his green jobs czar is a self proclaimed communist. BHO said, we need an over seerer for the over seers. this was Hitler's philosophy.
---wayne on 8/15/09


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All I can say is that my IRA and 401K both had 50% losses when Bush was in office.

Now, the IRA has a 12% loss and the 401K has a 1% loss.

If you are going to insist that the president has anything to do the the economy results, you have to let the numbers speak for themselves. Otherwise, you have no right to speak. If a Repub was in office you would be quick to give him credit for any "recovery".
---obewan on 8/15/09


is this question aimed at Obama.iF so I would ask,just what ,with the world economy which affects everything,can one country do?amd without saying,just what do you think one man can do,?other than implement policies based on the advice his economic advisers give him.Are we or anyone person accountable for a global market?Were up to a couple trillion dollars in bailouts now,eveyone going bankrupt,just what do you suggest he do?
---tom2 on 8/15/09


Part #1

It is always amusing to me to read the views of some Americans and their convenient use of the term socialism. They use the word to mean that they do not like the person as president and therefore, they do not like his policies or they are simply mimicking the equally foundationless voices of the republican party.

News flash, Medicare and Medicaid are government programmes. And the following are either government operated or government controlled: all branches of the military, the school system, the production and distribution of the utility services, the flight paths of air planes, the road and highway systems, the elections process and so on. Please tell me when we get to socialism.
---Janze on 8/15/09


And just for emphasis, your government knows exactly how much money you make and the purpose for which every cent is used. Part #2

Most of your communication with the rest of the world is subject to being monitored or can be monitored without your knowledge. Every move you make is equally subject to surveillance by an increasing number of means.

The fact is, what ails America today and for the foreseeable future have been in the works for decades of a society and an economy that were built on greed. Anyone who points to a six-month presidency as the cause of Americas problems is either simply deceitful or is being deceived.
---Janze on 8/15/09


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Well, here we go again...
---NurseRobert on 8/15/09


NO.

Obama made some temporary politically correct "fixes" for the corporations, but our tax bills in the coming years will be sky high and it is unrealistic to believe that the economy will EVER recover.

He did pull us out of Iraq, but now he wants the military to be fighting in Afghanistan for the next 10 to 40 years (check news reports) and says it might cost more than was spent in Iraq (young generations will die from swine flu, starvation, and overseas military actions, not a pretty future, is it?).

Life as we know it will end within a year (Jesus comes??).
---more_excellent_way on 8/15/09


I know several people who emmigrated from Europe or Scandinavia to escape Socialism. They are NOT happy with the direction they see pres. Obama takung us. Economies have never thrived under Socialism.
---Donna66 on 8/14/09


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