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Did the Messiah break any of the Ten Commandments?

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Samuel, ReRead my posting. "Now if the Priesthood be changed, then of necessity the Law also change be made. For there is truly a disannulling of the Commandment going before, for the weakness and unprofitableness of it. For the Law perfected nothing, but the bringing in of a better hope by which we draw near to God. By so much security, Jesus indeed parent of a better Testament. Then said he, Here I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second. Who has made us able to minister the New Testament, not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if through law righteousness, then Christ died in vain."
---Eloy on 11/20/09


Keeping the old testament ten commandments will put a person under the curse and send them straight to hell. And keeping the tem commandments saves no one, no one at all. Therefore breaking the abolished old testament law is not sin, for the old testament law is enmity against the New Testament Law and they are contrary one to the other. Jesus, the only God and author of the commandments must be obeyed for salvation, for there is salvation in no other. Eloy

The OT law is do not lie, steal, commit adultery, covet, murder, not to worship false gods or idols or take the name of GOD in vain.

So eloy we must always be breaking these laws in order to go to heaven by what you just said.
---Samuel on 11/19/09


Rhonda, you confuse nonChristians with Christians. I pray that you will get saved, then you will be able to discern the difference between the saint and the sinner, and between truth and error.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


Keeping the old testament ten commandments will put a person under the curse and send them straight to hell. And keeping the tem commandments saves no one
*****

that is why professing "christianity" calls a pure LIE truth

why they commit adultery, covet, murder, dishonor their parents, and LOVE idolatry outwardly LYING by calling their idols "symbols"

doing all this in THEIR "sweet Jesus" name 2Corin 4:11 and it is ALL from LOVING the ministers of light FROM the WORLD

those who ignore dismiss and say Gods Word is VOID are simply AGAINST BIBLICAL Christ who said if YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY commandments and the dozens of verses in NT scripture that tell TRUE Christians to OBEY
---Rhonda on 11/19/09


Alan,
He who sins is of the devil.
Salvation is Christ in you.
The heart of the Gospel is freedom from sin. HE has made us perfect, We are made righteous.
You deny Christ came to put sin away?
You claim your still a sinner no better than before you came to Christ? You were born again for what? To still be a sinner?
How can any man be saved or stay saved if he is a sinner? NO sin shall enter and for sure Christ cant live in you. You speak non sense because you dont believe in the work of Christ. Your still in bondage. Get out of Adam and into Christ.
---duane on 11/19/09




1 Timothy 1:13:

I see that verse and its hit my heart in a different way...

"I obtained mercy from God, because I did those things believing God was my enemy and failed to realize He was my salvation."

He didnt say he was ignorant of the law, but he was ignorant in UNBELIEF.

You cant escape the power of sin until you realize Christ is with you in death.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
---JackB on 11/19/09


Duane ... You say you don't sin

Then you say you do sin.

The truth is that you do sin ... and that the Cross means that these sins are not counted against you.

The Cross does not stop you sinning ... it does not make you perfect ... until you stand before God at the last.

Until then, you sin as much as nay man.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/19/09


The fear of death (from Gods own word) is the power of SATAN

Until you know because of Jesus CHrist you will be raised from the dead, you will be stuck in bondage the rest of your life.

You will not LOVE God and want to obey Him until you realize the depth of His grace. You will fear God and only do whats right out of fear of judgement or wrath. Those works will be burned up.

How many times does the Bible show us that obedience to God and LOVING God are tied together?

God is love and if you fear God (the kind that torments you) you are not made perfect in His love (1 John 4:8,18)

How are we made perfect? The blood of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 10:14)
---JackB on 11/19/09


Keeping the old testament ten commandments will put a person under the curse and send them straight to hell. And keeping the tem commandments saves no one, no one at all. Therefore breaking the abolished old testament law is not sin, for the old testament law is enmity against the New Testament Law and they are contrary one to the other. Jesus, the only God and author of the commandments must be obeyed for salvation, for there is salvation in no other.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


I think the proper way to look at it is in reality we do sin every day as 1 John says.

If we think we do not sin, then the truth is not in us.

But what should keep us properly motivated to do good and keep us greatly humbled before the Lord is knowing that God sees us as righteous as Christ himself because of something that He did on our behalf. That is what the blood did for us. That is His grace and the only way 1 single man will ever spend eterity with God.

When we keep that always in mind, we wont feel the need to judge others or to condemn ourselves for daily mistakes. Nor will we seek to use Gods grace to live a life of disobedience which brings shame and dishonor to Him.
---JackB on 11/19/09




Paul was not blameless concerning the commandments except in his own eyes and the eyes of those Pharisees of the day who oppossed Jesus, Matthew 23, John 8.
On the subject of overcomming sin, Pauls speaks of himself:
1 Timothy 1:13: "Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief."
mima and Kath, are you teachers against the law?
1 Tim 1:7
1 Tim 1:8,9,10,11.
---Nana on 11/18/09


INSTITUTIONS about God, teach:

Our Christ is all knowing, Christ all powerful, and Christ is PERFECT and we agree with them.

Yet in our hearts, we don't believe this.

So out of the abundance of our heart, we speak and contradict ourselves:

Our ALL PERFECT GOD:

Is SEXIST, wrong, to have put by example men to teach in church and not women. We know best, this is old fashioned. Lets fix His error.

The Torah of PERFECT CHRIST is faulty, bondage, of flesh.

Lets fix it because perfect Christ, He made a mistake.

This is why Christ came to fulfill the Torah: to be seen as pitiful and not spiritual.

The principle of how to love Him, obedience, Lets do as Adam and Eve!
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


Alan,I have said a Christian does not sin. We have been made righteous. Sin is not imputed. We have been set free from sin through the Cross. I would never preach a powerless Cross. On my own Im a sinner but with Christ Im set free from sin. Its a shame that proclaiming Christians say they are sinners, in effect denying the work of the Cross. Also denying their new birth.

The sin of the world is unbelief in HIM.
---duane on 11/18/09


Jas2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Ro5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

If Christ broke the law it could not be said that he was obedient.

Christ fulfilled the law.

Ro10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The last verse is for you who believe in living under the law in order to obtain salvation.
---trey on 11/18/09


alan, that's what I get for not reading all the posts in order.

One person misquotes another person, but quotes it as if that person quoted it. It gets confusing. Sorry for any confusion. I'll be more careful next time. Looking back at some of the previous posts in this blog, I am not sure what was said or meant to be said.

Also, many times, perhaps for the need of brevity, people are misunderstood.
---Rod4Him on 11/18/09


Mima ... You say to me:

"---alan8566_of_uk
Living a decent life(our behavior) is what gets you rewards. And the Lord is bringing the rewards with him.

I have never said that

"Your statement to Eloy is faulty"

I have not addressed Eloy on this blog

Rod4Him ... Yes there is a TOTAL disconnect with what I have said, and what both Mima and you think I have said!!!

Are you thinking of someone else?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/18/09


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Romans 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Philippians 1:11
Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth,)
kathr4453

We serve the law in the Spirit where by love results in right doing not to earn salvation. We act Righteous not for reward but in love and gratitude to GOD. Love to GOD and fellow men results in avoiding breaking the Ten Commandments.
---Samuel on 11/18/09


Without the work of the Cross there is no salvation. The Cross= freedom from sin. This is why God sent His SON to die for you.
****

And it says this where?

And if you take ONE verse out of context and you don't APPLY ALL THE OTHER verses from the Apostles who tirelessly spoke about??? What? Are you THAT deceived you believe you have ZERO accountability? I know many "christians" have been led away by their ministers of light into believing all they must do is "call on sweet Jesus" and it's a done deal ...biblical Christ WARNS that MANY will call on his name and they are FAR FROM HIM

sadly many believe your deluded watered-down version of a "Jesus" dismissing Christs very own words
---Rhonda on 11/18/09


the bible says that Jesus was without sin.
This means that he never broke any of the laws of the bible, not the ten commandments, or any other.
---Francis on 11/18/09


mima, I know alan is more than capable for answering for himself, however, I see a disconnect between what you said he said, and your response to what he said.

His quote that you quoted was correct.

I think mima you're are coming from an intellectual/mental approach. Yes christians sin and are forgiven, and yes believers will recieve rewards for their behavior in Christ.

Believers behavior should be an outgrowth of their walk with Christ.
---Rod4Him on 11/18/09


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P1,There are two parts to the post question.
Who is the Messiah?and,
Did this someone break a commandment?
If Jesus was the one of Jewish expectation to deliver or free the Jews from their human physical conditions it did not happen.Therefore Jesus did not meet the Jews expectations and they killed him even when he said the prophets spoke of him.
When Jesus asked the apostle group, "who do they say I am?"They replied with, John the baptist,a prophet or Elijah.Peter said "the son of God" and Jesus accepted his only answer.No one said anything at this meeting about a messiah.John the baptist even questioned Jesus about his actions.And Jesus replied,saying---.
---earl on 11/18/09


P.2,Jesus stated he will fulfill the law and the prophets.
He stated two facts-law and prophets.
The Jewish rulers accused Jesus of breaking law but the accusers failed to establish just judgement upon Jesus by their faulty law interpreters of the law.
The lawyers -law interpreters could only take him to court if an interpretation can stand in court.
Who was it that said ,I find no fault in this man", by your law?
---earl on 11/18/09


Nana, AFTER Paul's salvation he DIED to the LAW and served in newness of SPIRIT, bringing forth the FRUIT of Righteousness, not the LAW of Righteousness.

Romans 7:5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Philippians 1:11
Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth,)
---kathr4453 on 11/18/09


---alan8566_of_uk
Living a decent life(our behavior) is what gets you rewards. And the Lord is bringing the rewards with him.

Your statement to Eloy is faulty. Truth is that after a person is saved they do commit the acts of sinning. However if you will read Romans 4:7-8 with special emphasis on verse 8 you will see what the situation is. God's children sin but their sin is not counted against them. Let me say thank you Jesus for taking away sin.
---mima on 11/18/09


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//well if you believe you are not overcoming in this life than you have NO REWARD.

The Scripture promise rewards to those who are faithful, not those who in their flesh have reached some conceivable level of perfection.

The story of the talents tells us that much. Matthew 25:15f.

It is God who works within the believer to do good works, so what credit is there to anyone?

Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
---Lee1538 on 11/17/09


"Paul ... In fact he murdered anyone who did."
kathr4453
You've a secret I don't? Did Paul kept a secret murdering business going,that only you know? Ridiculous! He left the murdering behind him, alongside his ignorance.
"David said..Blessed is the man who's sins are forgiven...where God will not impute sin.."

God declared in Isaiah 1 a two-step-aproach:
One
16-17: "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil, Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."
Two
18: "Come now, and let us reason ... though your sins be as scarlet, ..." Skip the One, forget the second.
---Nana on 11/17/09


Yes, that is one reason why he was hated and killed, he frequently broke the sabbath, but the Ten Commandments were created by him, and he came to give us his New Commandments. Please Read- John 5:8-18.
---Eloy on 11/18/09


Duane ... You do employ some mind-numbing logic.

You are quite right that without the Cross there is no salvation.

But you always say that once saved, you can't sin.

And yet you have elsewhere said that you do sin.

Are there two sorts of sin then?,
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/18/09


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Rhonda,
If your still trying to overcome sin, then your not an overcomer. NO sin shall enter.
Without the Cross, your out of luck.
Without the work of the Cross there is no salvation. The Cross= freedom from sin. This is why God sent His SON to die for you.
Its the Cross and ressurection(life) thats going to get all men Home to God who believe(faith) in the Messiah.
.. by grace through faith..
---duane on 11/17/09


Who would ever say overcoming sin is a life long process? We could try and overcome sin in ten life times and never succeed.
*****

well if you believe you are not overcoming in this life than you have NO REWARD

otherwise you are like many self-professing christians who believe they are "gods" in this life and are spirit who cannot sin which is AGAINST scripture

or others who believe Christ keeps it all so I have a license to sin or many are deceived into believing they can KEEP ON KEEPING ON IN SIN and Christ has "covered it all" which ALSO is AGAINST CHRIST
---Rhonda on 11/17/09


Mima ...

"!TRUE CHRISTIANS overcoming sin is a life long process"

Seems to be a very good definition of what works is, that is being involved in works either to gain salvation are to retain salvation!!!
---mima"

OK .. so perhaps we should just not bother about living a decent life?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/17/09


Do Christians sin and continually?

A rather ridiculous question to say the least. But there are those who claim that once we becomes a Christian, we no longer sin.

Compare:

1 John 5:18 HCSB We know that everyone who has been born of God does not sin, but the One who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

1 John 2:1 HCSB My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the FatherJesus Christ the righteous One.

Consider:

1John 1:8 HCSB If we say, 'We have no sin,' we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---Lee1538 on 11/17/09


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Who would ever say overcoming sin is a life long process? We could try and overcome sin in ten life times and never succeed.
Its only through the Cross that we overcome sin. We ARE set free from sin. We ARE overcomers.
How else can a man be saved? Where is the victory if there is no Cross to take sin away?
---duane on 11/17/09


"TRUE CHRISTIANS overcoming sin is a life long process"

Seems to be a very good definition of what works is, that is being involved in works either to gain salvation are to retain salvation!!!
---mima on 11/17/09

Samuel, Gal 2:21 "for if righteousness comes by keeping the Law, Christ died in vain". Speaking to the Galatians AFTER they were saved, rebuking going back under the Law after salvation. Paul said they fell from Grace.

Jesus said A NEW Commandment I give you.

Keeping the LAW/commandments won't help you OVERCOME SIN. If it did..what need then for the CROSS? I die daily. So the I that keeps the Law was crucified with Christ..Gal 2:20..no longer I but Christ. ##Romans 7.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/09


TRUE CHRISTIANS overcoming sin is a life long process"

Seems to be a very good definition of what works is, that is being involved in works either to gain salvation are to retain salvation!!!
---mima

1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Works are the result of being saved. Not to gain or retain.
---Samuel on 11/17/09


Why is it that legalistic Christians always leave out the blood?---JackB on 11/16/09



Legalistic Christians?? No such thing. Apostates who deny the Blood also hate David's God too.

David said..Blessed is the man who's sins are forgiven...where God will not impute sin.. Romans 4. Who are "In Isaac will thy seed be called? Galatians?

The seed is Christ...and as Isaac was laid on the alter, a TYPE of Christ, Abraham KNEW God would raise him from the dead, Hebrews 11 Abraham saw in a vision the death and resurrection of Christ.

Abraham was strong in faith...Abraham's faith was in Christ...Abraham KNEW without the shedding of blood there was no forgiveness of sin. ABEL even KNEW this!!
---kathr4453 on 11/17/09


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to believe your LIE then one must IGNORE CHRISTS VERY OWN WORDS which say if you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS"
Rhonda on 11/16/09

Amen Rhonda!
---Nana on 11/16/09

Rhonda, and Nana, you don't have to love Jesus Christ to keep the commandments. Paul certainly felt he was blameless concerning the Commandments yet did not LOVE Jesus Christ. In fact he murdered anyone who did.

Read his testimony in Philippians 3.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/09


"TRUE CHRISTIANS overcoming sin is a life long process"

Seems to be a very good definition of what works is, that is being involved in works either to gain salvation are to retain salvation!!!
---mima on 11/17/09


"interesting Mima

atheists mormons hindu's myriad of other religions do not murder cover or commit adultery, honor their parents
bigger deception is you MUST also believe Christ is keeping these commandments for them "in their hearts" too

to believe your LIE then one must IGNORE CHRISTS VERY OWN WORDS which say if you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS"
Rhonda on 11/16/09

Amen Rhonda!
---Nana on 11/16/09


interesting Mima

atheists mormons hindu's myriad of other religions do not murder cover or commit adultery, honor their parents
bigger deception is you MUST also believe Christ is keeping these commandments for them "in their hearts" too

to believe your LIE then one must IGNORE CHRISTS VERY OWN WORDS which say if you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS

ONLY self-professing christians foolishly claim "get out of jail card" - sadly deceived by MEN unable to love biblical Christ

Apostles wrote about struggles - TRUE CHRISTIANS overcoming sin is a life long process

big LIE from Satan and his ministers of light tell the deceived to JUST SAY the name of Christ and "your saved"
---Rhonda on 11/16/09


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Rhonda let us examine Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"
The ordinance was against us because we could not keep it. Only Jesus keep it.
Notice that these laws were hand written.(the 10 Commandments were written by the finger of God)
Nowhere in the Bible or the ceremonial laws spoken of as having been written.

Confirmed by Acts 13:39? Correct.
John 1:17 sums it up. " For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Get out of jail card, is called grace. Glory to the lamb!!!!
---mima on 11/16/09


>civil ceremonial laws - 613 laws of Moses)

The 613 are not ceremonial laws. If you read them you find that some only apply to the priests and some only apply to women. Others are "expansions" or explanations of what is meant in the Ten moral laws.

What was nailed to the cross is the record of our sins.
---djconklin on 11/16/09


Why is it that legalistic Christians always leave out the blood?

The blood of Christ justifies you.
The blood of Christ washes you of your sin.
Blood is required of God as payment for sin.

Jesus shed his blood for you. Took the full punishment (not partial punishment) of your sins.

When He did that he literally traded places with you as a believer. You are His righteousness and He is your sin. He did what you could not, not will ever be able to do, and gives you the reward that was due Himself. He got our reward.

Dont take something so beautiful and tell God it simply isnt enough for you. Is his grace not sufficient for everyone?
---JackB on 11/16/09


JESUS never sinned in thought or deed. He is the spotless Lamb of GOD.
---Samuel on 10/8/09


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No, YAHUSHUA (JESUS) did not break any of the Ten Commandments. He was the Spotless Lamb of GOD, which means He was sinless. Some one Who is Sinless cannot break the Laws of GOD. The religious leaders accused YAHUSHUA of breaking the Laws of GOD. But, it was their INTERPRETATION and ADDED RULES AND REGULATIONS that YAHUSHUA "broke". Not GOD's Laws themselves, as GOD wrote them.
---Gordon on 10/6/09


The Bible tells us that sin is the transgression of the Law (1Jn 3:4), and that we will be judged by the Law (Jas 2:12). To say that Christ broke the Law is to say that He is a sinner. To say that He eliminated the law by His sacrifice on the cross is to say that the standard of our judgement has vanished, and we may sin as much as we like. I don't buy either thesis. It was the "handwriting of ordinances" - the levitical sacrificial system - that was nailed to the cross, not the Ten Commandments. Have you ever tried to drive a nail through stone?
---jerry6593 on 10/6/09


Mima so silly scriptures and words of Christ to OBEY FOLLOW and KEEP his Word are just fluff and worthless for the lip service christians

this brand of "christianity" you preach GOT a "get outta jail card"

where does it say 10 commandments are nailed to cross?

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross confirmed by Acts 13:39

ordinances are SIMPLY mens laws (mens civil ceremonial laws - 613 laws of Moses)

Gods Holy JUST PERFECT LAWS - HIS 10 Commandments Romans 7:12, 2:13 are still in effect for True Christians who LOVE and OBEY the Biblical Christ
---Rhonda on 10/5/09


Those who place themselves under the law, are by the law, condemned!!!
Christ has freed us from the law but you(the law keepers) refused to leave the jail cell.
****

wow no wonder why so many self professing christians are in liberal mode using a watered down "christ" 2Corin 11:4 ...sin and sin and sin and do more ...as long as Jesus is dripping from your lips you are "covered"

so by this inept logic it is really ok to worship idols, take Gods name in vain, covet, lie, dishonor parents, fool around on your spouse or better yet why bother to get married hey if you 'get around to it' great if not no worries - Christ covered that too
---Rhonda on 10/5/09


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NO!!! Christ was born under the law, Christ kept the law, Christ fulfill the law, and the law was mailed to the cross of Jesus Christ. Thereby doing away with the 10 Commandments OR the law. Now because we receive the righteousness of Christ over our lives the law no longer can condemn us.
I would like to make the following statement.
Those who place themselves under the law, are by the law, condemned!!!
Christ has freed us from the law but you(the law keepers) refused to leave the jail cell.
---mima on 10/5/09


>His #184 states one was "not to eat non-kosher maggots". But this is HIS rendering of the Mitzvot based on Lev.11:44 (eat not creeping things...)

Then it is a mistranslation issue.
---dconklin on 8/26/09


Nana--My source was Maimonides list of the 613 (follow links from wikipedia).He was a medieval torah scholor and physician who has "been adopted as a symbol and an intellectual hero by almost all major movements in modern Judaism."

His #184 states one was "not to eat non-kosher maggots". But this is HIS rendering of the Mitzvot based on Lev.11:44 (eat not creeping things...)

I found the whole list interesting (and in some cases, humorous) and thought others might too. How is this "out of PLACE"?

As you mentioned, some of the Mitzvot support Christian values. But there are SOME that are not reasonable for 21st century Christians.
I know you don't believe we need to follow all the Mitzvot!
---Donna66 on 8/25/09


He wrote all the laws listed between Genesis 1:28 and Revelations 22:19, and while falsely accused *1, he broke none of them. We are to comply with the moral laws, but dont depend on keeping them in order to attain salvation. Christians have confidence in Jesus who paid the price for our sins by his sacrificial death *2.
*1 Matthew 9:11, 12:1-14, Mark 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 7:39, 15:1-2.
*2 Matthew 5:17-18, Romans 6, Galatians 3, Ephesians 2:15, Hebrews 9:24-28, 10:1-23, Revelations 1:5.
---Glenn on 8/25/09


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>"Here are a few more of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) that God gave.

... and...do not eat non-kosher maggots!(Lev 11:44)"

I checked the web page on the 613 Mitzvot at Judaism 101 and the Bible itself--there's nothing about maggots.

Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy, for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
---dconklin on 8/25/09


Donna66,
Do you hear yourself? "Here are a few more of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) that God gave.
Do you have a different god that him who issued those decrees? I picked those that are fruitful and applicable to me and mine, those who like me came from the ranks of the gentiles to faith.
What is it with you, because you can't eat the skin of the banana you don't eat them?

"Boast not against the branches."
My advice, don't boast about God and the ancient people, get in your place.
---Nana on 8/25/09


Here are a few more of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) that God gave.

Burn a city that has turned to idolatry (Deut 13:17), Break the neck of a calf by the river valley following an unsolved murder (Deut 21:4), A king may not have too many wives (nor horses) Deut 17:16-17 Purchase a Hebrew slave in accordance with proscribed law Ex 21:2 Canaanite Slaves must work forever unless they have an injured limb Lev (25:46), and...do not eat non-kosher maggots!(Lev 11:44)

Every male must write a torah scroll (Deut 31:19) and perform "yibbum", i.e. marry the widow of one's childless brother (Deut 24:5).

Some might be difficult for modern law-keepers.... except eating non-kosher maggots. Not hard to follow THAT 100%!
---Donna66 on 8/24/09


Rhonda,
You say that the "commandments/traditions of men" are "600+ laws". You are very wrong! Lev 19:2 "God commanded Moses, "Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them..." Online you can find 'Judaism 101: List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments). Here are a few:
11. "To honor the old and the wise" (Lev. 19:32). (1 Tim 5:17 revalidates)
28. Not to wrong any one in speech (Lev. 25:17)>>> Matthew 15:19
31. Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
32. Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)
Lev 19:18: "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."
---Nana on 8/22/09


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What was nailed to the Cross was our record of sin--Christ died for us, to save us from our sins.
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DEATH was NAILED to the cross 1Corin 15 Christ overcame sin BEFORE the "cross" ...self professing RELIGIOUS christianity regurgitates their LIES DISMISSING Gods Word in Acts 2:38 IGNORING all scripture where Christ tells us to KEEP His commandments and OBEY and cannot GRASP simple scripture identifying commandments/traditions of men 600+ laws and commandments of God ...spelled out in Mark 7:6-7

ORDINANCES (traditions of men their 600+ commandments were civil laws or oridinances) blotted out by Christ Col 2:14

Gods Laws (10 Commandments) are not grievous 1John 5:3
---Rhonda on 8/21/09


NO!, NO! Jesus was sinless. Jesus is God.
---catherine on 8/21/09


Ken & Rhonda: The Ten Commandments may also be considered the Ten "promises" of the Old and New Covenants. That is, "if" I keep them, "then" there is great reward for me. For example:

Isa 58:13,14 IF thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: THEN shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD, and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
---jerry6593 on 8/21/09


>strict Jews still live by 600+ civil laws/ordinances dismissing Christ as Messiah who abolished these Col 2:14

Actually, the 600+ laws you refer to are (in part) expansions of the 10 Conmmandments. What was nailed to the Cross was our record of sin--Christ died for us, to save us from our sins.
---dconklin on 8/20/09


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NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. Jesus fullfilled the law, he had no gain in brzking the laww. However he did attack uselus binding traditions that where mistaken for law. (not that im against a tradition, but it should never bind us or keep us away from the LORD)
---andy3996 on 8/21/09


"No!" is my one word answer - now to give you the Scripture that proves it:

Dont assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Mt. 5:17

If Christ has broken any of the Laws, then He couldn't have fulfilled the Law and be a perfect, unblemished sacrifice, that God required.
---wivv on 8/20/09


Ken,

Interesting ...may be true for some loose sects of American Jews who removed themselves from stict Judiasm now calling Gods Spiritual Law "words"

Ancient Israel Hebrews or Judiasm today refers to 10 Commandments as SPIRITUAL LAWS of God

strict Jews still live by 600+ civil laws/ordinances dismissing Christ as Messiah who abolished these Col 2:14

RELIGIOUS christianity cannot identify with Isa 42:21, Rom 7:12, 7:7, James 2:10, Matt 5:17, 2John 5,6 because they REJECT GOD and HIS commandments serving traditions of men Mark 7:6-9 and ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 4:11, 4:4, Rev 12:9, Matt 4:8,9 and do not OBEY and KEEP the commandments of God Dan 9:4, John 15:10, 1John 2:4
---Rhonda on 8/20/09


What the religious of Jesus' day and many religious today don't understand is this:
-Psalm 103 says Healing is a benefit of God that we shouldn't forget about.
-Forgiveness and healing is part of our salvation benefits.
-Salvation is a FINISHED work of GOD.
-Jesus operated in the finished works no matter what day it was. Jesus RESTED on the promise of God for healing and forgiveness.
-The ones who were breaking the Sabbath were the Religious ones who did not believe God for forgiveness and healing.
-According to Hebrews you enter into the Sabbath when you BELIEVE that God's WORD and WORK were finished before the foundation of the world.

ENTER THE SABBATH
---Legends on 8/20/09


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Rhonda, I am not disagreeing with you, just adding something you might not know. The 10 commandments are called the 10 Words by most Jews. The reason, when you read them in Hebrew they are not as much commands as much as they are statements of fact. It is more like him saying: "My people do not make idols," or "my people do not steal." These aren't as much in command form but are spoken from the point of view that God's people simply don't do the don'ts, and do do the do's. (yikes, I said do do)

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/20/09


NOPE!
---jerry6593 on 8/20/09


Jesus did not break any commandments. The legalistic pharisees THOUGHT he did, because THEY mis-interpreted what it meant to keep the Sabbath.
---Donna66 on 8/19/09


Where do people get the idea there are Ten Commandments? ....term is NEVER used in the Bible
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self professing RELIGIOUS christianity is self serving full of LIES Mark 7:6-9

ACTUALLY Gods Laws are written in several scriptures one is:Deut 4:13 ...his covenant, which he commanded you to perform ten commandments ...wrote them upon two tables of stone

GODS HOLY PERFECT LAWS Psalm 19:7 (10 Commandments) NOT same as 613 CIVIL laws given to people of Israel purpose of following 10 Commandments ...Christ NEVER broke commandments or he would have SINNED and LIED in John 16:33

...Christ blotted out 613 CIVIL laws Col 2:14 ORDINANCES are civil laws giving us Holy Spirit
---Rhonda on 8/19/09


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--Reuben:

The Messiah knows that God's Commandment is Life Everlasting and does not speak of Himself, He speaks only what the Father said unto Him(John 12:49-5).

The Father which sent the Messiah gave Him a Commandment, of what He should say & speak : To Spiritually Fulfill the Righteousness of the Commandment of the law, so that it might be fulfilled in us.

So Brother, Did God mean for the Messiah to spiritually break any of the Commandments?? If He spoke or did anything other than what God Commanded Him, He couldn't be the Messiah!!.........or could He??
---Shawn.M.T on 8/19/09


Jesus brings us to the *purpose* of the Ten Commandments . . . "to better than what people can understand, then boast they are better than others".
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/18/09


The Jew leadership believed that Jesus was breaking the law that Moses was given him by God.
Basically ,no God except the one God of Abraham opposed to "I and my Father are one".
The concept of 'son of God' was,then, not acceptable.
Yes, Jesus did break the existing Moses law God gave to him.
This also created a credibility problem for Jesus and the expected coming of the Mssiah.
---earl on 8/18/09


Phil:

It is interesting that the Rabbis have created just such an exception that Jesus demonstrated to them.

Many Jew are employed in the medical field and must work on the Sabbath. Those that do are "exempted" because they work in a profession where it is a matter of life and death.

Many Jews credit Jesus for setting the precedent for this exemption.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/18/09


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Where do people get the idea there are Ten Commandments?

The term is NEVER used in the Bible.

Actually, there are 613 commandments in the OT.
---Cluny on 8/18/09


No. He just didn't believe in MAN'S interpretation of the ten commandments. The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
---amand6348 on 8/18/09


Jesus was a PERFECT, SINLESS man. He NEVER broke ANY of the 10 Commandments, but rather fulfilled ALL of them in what He did on the cross. This is NOT to say that we no longer have to obey the 10 Commandments. Jesus or the Apostles NEVER taught this. Rather we are to obey them just as Jesus did.
---Leslie on 8/18/09


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