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So there for does it really matter the name of the Sabbath?
---mike 8/21/09
The 4th Commandment states "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.. the 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.." Exod 20:8-11

When Jesus walked the earth, he kept 7th day Sabbath. If the calendar had been altered to wrong day, He would have corrected it then or before.

Jesus rested in tomb on 7th day and was resurrected shortly after 7th day Sabbath was past.

Luke 23:56 "and rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" then on first day of week Christ was resurrected.

Jews keep a very old calendar, and same 7th day Jesus rested in tomb on from His work of redemption is the same Sabbath of today.
---Gina7 on 8/22/09


Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact. Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things. H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"If any man worship(worship is religious) the Beast (RCC) and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead (beliefs) or in his hand (outward observance).." Rev 14:9

The final test of mankind will be over the seal of God and the Mark of catholic authority
---Gina7 on 8/22/09


The Sabbath was never changed to Sunday. Jesus rose on Sunday so we call it the Lords day. Saturday is still the Sabbath.
---Oscar on 8/22/09


Rhonda - there are a multitude of scripture that warn against false teachers, you expect a Jewish rabbi who does not know Christ to teach Christians?
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Lee you LOOK so FOOLISH I'm laughing so hard I can barely type

12 Disciples of Christ were ALL JEWISH

EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF was Jewish or is there some Satanic verse written backwards in Gods Holy Word that says Christ was not a JEW

in your wayward attempt to continue your hollow argument you FAIL to recognize MANY Jews have been converted to Christ starting at time of Christ continues to this day

2Pet 2:1 is not ONLY about JEW it is ANY person who TWISTS Gods Truth ...hence PAGAN christianity
---Rhonda on 8/22/09


gina - **Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.

I attended one of those SDA Prophecy conference. The speaker had much to say about how the Roman Church misled people even making the same quotes as you have made.

However, when one does a serious study into church history, one finds that the speakers are merely SDA recruiters and deliberately distort the truth in order to met their agenda.

Interesting some SDA church historians tell us the Gentile church, did not observed the Jewish Sabbath by the end of the 1st century.

Joh 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
---Lee on 8/22/09




\\Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church. \\

Then explain why the ancient Christian Churches in Ethiopia, Armenia, Iraq (the Assyrians), and India that were NEVER part of the Roman Catholic Church have Sunday as the primary day of worship.
---Cluny on 8/22/09


Ken---I do plan on getting back to you. I have not been spending much time on here but I plan to much more often. Have a great day
(:
---Kella8334 on 8/22/09


C-luny: "Actually, the Sabbath was NEVER about worship" Oh really?

Isa 58:13,14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD,... Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD,

Luk 4:16 ... as his custom was, he [Jesus] went into the synagogue on the sabbath day,

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to WORSHIP before me, saith the LORD.
---jerry6593 on 8/22/09


Lee: It would seem that you are using a different Bible than the rest of us. You extract meaning that was never written or intended in OUR scriptures. I'll follow the example of Jesus, while you follow the Pope.

Jesus set an example for us concerning the Sabbath Day by His word and His actions. His "custom" was to attend the synagogue every Sabbath. He claimed lordship over the Sabbath Day. He spent a great deal of time decrying the "man-made" baggage attached to HIS Fourth Commandment. How strange that today the vast majority of His followers ignore both His word and His example by following some MAN-MADE concept of a rest day - or none at all.
---jerry6593 on 8/22/09


Question to all Sabbath keepers, Do you believe that worshiping on Sunday is the mark of the beast?
---mima on 8/22/09




//It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord.

No, it was the Apostles and their immediate successors that transferred the OT sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. We can easily see that in the writings of the early church, long before Rome has any power to do anything.

In fact, even SDA scholars have found the Gentile church no longer observed the Jewish sabbath by the end of the 1st century.

What you effectively were taught is from old Ellen White who knew little if anything about church history. She merely took advantage of religious prejudice against the Roman church.
---Lee on 8/22/09


Luk 12:26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Think God cares about what particular law you are breaking?
Isnt it more important that you know you are guilty (of all.)
Not me, right! No, not you! Youre not guilty of just sin!
You know the law, you understand the law, and you keep the law.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
---TheSeg on 8/22/09


I'm not sure about whether we should or not, both sides have good points as far as I can tell.

However, one thing I am sure of is that it is not required for salvation. Verses of salvation by grace through faith is ladden all over the new testament in the church dispensation.

Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast. Something like the Verichip is the mark of the beast.
---Jake on 8/22/09


It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church. Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church. Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903
---Gina7 on 8/21/09


If the Sabbath was "never about worship" then Isaiah 66:23 and Ezekiel 46:3 are LIES

Worship is simply communicating with God

True Christians who KEEP Gods Sabbath are sactified Ex 31:13, Ex 30:12, Ex 20:20

there is no other weekly Sabbath

Christ did not say he was Lord of sun-day

and nowhere in Gods Holy Word was HIS Holy PERPETUAL Sabbath Ex 30:8 EVER transferred to another day

rcc established sun-day and tells all who honor/worship/serve/observe sun-day they OBEY HER ...rcc BOLDLY tells ALL that God NEVER abolished HIS HOLY Sabbath ...and by observing no day or any other day other than Gods Holy Sabbath one is DISOBEYING The Father in Heaven
---Rhonda on 8/21/09


I just want to know what calendars God used when he made the heavens and the earth. He rested on the seventh day, Right. He didn't say "Today is Saturday or Sunday". Man gave the name to the Sabbath. So there for does it really matter the name of the Sabbath? I think that what really matters is that we take a day from our work and work on our relationship with Christ Jesus.
Satin just loves it when he sees that we are more worried about the name of the day of rest, then what we are doing on the day of rest, may it be Saturday or Sunday.
---mike on 8/21/09


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Rhonda - there are a multitude of scripture that warn against false teachers, you expect a Jewish rabbi who does not know Christ to teach Christians?

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

No, those that preach Jewish synagogues functioned as a school for Christians to learn of the law, are false teachers who know not the Word of God or its Author.

Their agenda is like Peter stated, to put "God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear" Acts 15:10
---Lee on 8/21/09


//YOU only have the MOTHER rcc Rev 17 who changed Gods Holy Sabbath Day to the sun-day as your support

The cultist who claims they know the Word of God as well as its Author, often demonize those they disagree with.

But the same types did the same thing to Jesus when they said He cast out demons by the power of Beelzebub, the prince of the demons.

Mt 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, 'It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.'

You truly need to show love and not hate toward other Christians who disagree with your position as you will stand in judgment by our Lord if you do not.
---Lee on 8/21/09


Actually, the Sabbath was NEVER about worship, but about ceasing from labor--even one's slaves and farm animals!

Saying that "keeping the Sabbath holy" means attending worship is a projection of Christian practice onto Judaism.

Traditional Judaism has services twice daily, even today!
---Cluny on 8/21/09


view that the Jerusalem council send Christians to non-believing synagogues to learn Sabbath keeping is ludicrous and simply another lie of Satan.
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nice idea it is "from Satan" except I NOTICED you have NO SCRIPTURE ...difference between scripture I provided to SUPPORT Gods Truth of Apostles in Synagagoes WITH Gentiles and you just SIMPLY DENY what is written

YOU only have the MOTHER rcc Rev 17 who changed Gods Holy Sabbath Day to the sun-day as your support ...when one worships on sun-day THEY WORSHIP rcc NOT God ...even rcc tells its daughter PROTEST-ant churches they are FOOLISH to make claims God abolished his Holy Sabbath Day and if they worship on sun-day they DISOBEY Gods Word
---Rhonda on 8/21/09


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The introduction of Sunday worship came into being at the Council of Jerusalem when the Apostles under the guidance of the Holy Spirit

---lee on 8/20/09

The Catholic Church says otherwise:

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. The day of the Lord was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church's sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy. St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
---Gina7 on 8/21/09


1)Rhonda - Pauls purpose in the Jewish synagogues was to preach the gospel message to the Jews by showing them from the Scripture that Jesus was the promised Messiah. You may notice that in Acts 17:2, not all the Jews approved of what he was doing and ran him out of town.

You may notice that Paul was not always welcomed back but faced great opposition.

Acts 18:6 And when they opposed and reviled him, he shook out his garments and said to them, Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.

The view that the Jerusalem council send Christians to non-believing synagogues to learn Sabbath keeping is ludicrous and simply another lie of Satan.
---Lee on 8/21/09


2) Rhonda -True that the Roman church in its opposition to the Judaizers claimed it changed the OT Jewish Sabbath (Saturday, the day devoted to the Roman god Saturnus) to the Christian Sabbath (Sunday, the day of the sun).

This was convenient since Saturday was a workday throughout the empire but Sunday was a non-workday.

You might note there was no opposition to them declaring Sunday to be the Christian Sabbath. The fact is that nearly all the church already had communal worship on Sundays by the end of the 1st century.

Rome had little or no power until at least the 5th century.

However, there is virtually nothing in the New Covenant of the church that commands or even suggests Sabbath observance.
---Lee on 8/21/09


Dear Lee

I and many others here have never stated that to be a Christian you must become Jewish and obey all of the Mosaic law. We simply insist that Christians should obey all the Ten Commandments as written.

So most churches say people should obey nine of them. So is to obey nine of the Ten commandments becoming Jewish?
---Samuel on 8/21/09


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Lee- You brought up the council at Yerusalem, so I told you what was said, and now you dont like it. James said they( The gentile converts) would hear Moses preached in the Synagogues every Sabbath, and you even attack that! Thats scripture period. See how you are, truth is right in front of you. I gave scripture to where Paul taught in the synagogues and you dont like that either. You have a real problem with truth and with scripture and why.....because your proven wrong each time. And you get very arrogant about being wrong, stop believing the roman lies that protestants follow.
---wayne on 8/21/09


Rhonda- Amen to you, thank you for your truth, keep going!!!
---wayne on 8/21/09


early church was composed of house churches and the Jewish synagogues were very hostile to Christians
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REALLY so ALL of the many scripture where they met in synagogues is a lie?

Paul taught in synagogues on Sabbath Acts 17:2 to both Jews and Gentiles

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue (Gentiles were still IN synagogue), the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath

...why is it rcc claims IT changed Gods Sabbath to sun-day and God NEVER abolished his Holy Sabbath YET her ignorant PROTEST-ant daughters Rev 17 insist God did and distort and twist simple BASIC scripture in their vain attempts to support their LIE
---Rhonda on 8/21/09


//Christians should follow Christ. It was Jesus' custom to keep the Sabbath Day holy.

Jerry refused to understand Galatians 4:4-5

But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

He has been misled into believing that Christians need become Jewish and observe all the Mosaic laws as did Jesus.
---Lee on 8/21/09


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Christians should follow Christ. It was Jesus' custom to keep the Sabbath Day holy. All of His disciples kept the Sabbath long after the Cross. Jesus claimed to be Lord of the Sabbath - He never claimed such lordship over Sunday. He preached openly for 3 1/2 years, without ever once mentioning that we should now FORGET the one Commandment that He commanded us to REMEMBER. He didn't even hint that He had made a mistake or perhaps changed His mind on one of His perpetual Commandments. Jesus ever lifted up the Old Testament as the standard by which New Covenant Christians are to live. He spoke of those who offer MAN-MADE alternatives to His word:

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---jerry6593 on 8/21/09


Wayne, You're doing well, and continue being your Brother's keeper. We all need to help share with other Saints the truths that we've learned ourselves. They can choose ultimately to accept or reject it. But, since so much is NOT being taught in the common Church regarding the True Sabbath, YAHUSHUA is commanding us to share what we know to be true. Shalom
---Gordon on 8/21/09


//At the conclusion of the first Apostolic Conference in Acts 15, James said that the new Gentile converts to the Way would be able to grow in righteousness by having Moses read to them in the synagogues every Sabbath day.

Any novice of church history would tell you that the early church was composed of house churches and the Jewish synagogues were very hostile to Christians and traditionally Gentiles in particular, even banishing them from the Synagogues.

Imagine, sending a Christian to a synagogue headed by a rabbi who does believe in Jesus at all! That would be much like learning about God from a teacher who is a devil.

Get real and fire your stupid mentors. They know not Christ nor the Word of God.
---Lee on 8/20/09


>And that is why you see very few Sabbath keepers among Gentile converts during the 1st 3 centuries.

As late as the 5th century most Christians (when the church was decidely mostly Gentile) kept the Sabbath.
---dconklin on 8/20/09


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MarkEaton- We do not have to agree with eachother on everything, but I know what you mean. I agree with you on the christmas issue and would love to learn more from you about it, if that would be OK with you. YHVH bless you Sir.
---wayne on 8/20/09


Wayne:

I choose not to study Church history nor do I study the Jewish Talmud and Midrash. Your discussion on such facts in the church past is meaningless to me. If you choose to see this interpretation as a malicious deed, you are free to do so. I will question you no further on it. Thanks for the information.

I also have a similar issue with our December 25 celebrations. It is my firm conviction from investigation and interpretation of Scripture, that our Saviour was born on the start of the Feast of Tabernacles, fulfilling the "God in a Temporary Dwelling". Few agree with me and even fewer want to discuss it.

Keep up the good work. But remember, keep your eyes on Jesus and off your neighbor.
---MarkEaton on 8/20/09


Lee- as far as the council of Yerusalem , I have to prove you wrong again:

At the conclusion of the first Apostolic Conference in Acts 15, James said that the new Gentile converts to the Way would be able to grow in righteousness by having Moses read to them in the synagogues every Sabbath day.

Acts 16:13-15 described Sabbath worship with Lydia and those accustomed to praying by the river side near Philippi in Macedonia. In Acts 17:10 Paul and Silas went into a synagogue in Berea, and many honorable Greek women and men believed. In Acts 18:4 Paul reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath at Corinth, reasoning with the Jews and the Greeks. The same story was repeated in Ephesus (Acts 18:19 and 26, 19:8).
---wayne on 8/20/09


Christians have the wrong idea about worshipping on the Sabbath and resting on the Sabbath. We are to worship daily. Do an online bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag."

Christians are to rest on the Sabbath from all of man's activities. Christians need this more in today's world than ever before. Christians fill up every minute of every day with school, work, church, family, friends, shopping, ipods, computers, TV, entertainment, and going places that they don't have enough time to spend with God. God wants a deep personal relationship with Christians, the same relationship of your family and friends. The purpose of the Saturday Sabbath is to spend time with God.
---Steveng on 8/20/09


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//1a Lee-The introduction of Sunday worship into Rome was under the influence of the Mystery and Sun Cults

Perhaps long before the birth of the church.

You will not find any reputable church historians that will support that viewpoint. Even many SDA scholars have rejected the history as depicted by Ellen White.

The introduction of Sunday worship came into being at the Council of Jerusalem when the Apostles under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, did not impose such a thing unto Gentile converts. And that is why you see very few Sabbath keepers among Gentile converts during the 1st 3 centuries.

Sorry to reject your viewpoint, but I believe church historians are correct and you are wrong.
---lee on 8/20/09


Explain the purpose of the Sabbath?
Does the word of God say! The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath!

All this talk, about a day in the week, is it Sunday, Saturday. The first or last day of the week!
I must not work, will god forgive me! Its a day to honor God, one in seven.
And the best, its a day to rest!

Its not for you to rest. Did your lord rest on the Sabbath? No, he worked, the works of his father! Its a day for you to give rest to someone or something other when yourself.

A day to honor God, does God need honor from you?
You want to honor God then honor your brother.
---TheSeg on 8/20/09


The Holy Days and the Sabbaths are impugned deliberately. That is a promise that God Himself had made through the prophets. God spoke through the prophet Amos and likened Israel in the Last Days as a basket of summer fruit (Amos 8:1ff.). The failure to obey God is the key element. The punishment for failure to obey God is that the Sabbaths and the Feasts are turned into mourning. That is followed by the famine of hearing the word of Yahuah (Amos 8:11-14). Because of the failure to understand the nature of the One True God (Jn. 17:3, 1Jn. 5:20) the people are punished (Hos. 8:5-9).
---wayne on 8/20/09


#1 There is not one reference transferring the Sabbath, or telling the Church not to keep the Sabbaths, New Moons, and Feasts, and that includes Colossians 2:16. Paul set up an alms collection on the First Day of the week because it could not be done on the Sabbath. That is the only reference to meeting on Sunday. Even the day rendered as First day of the week is actually first of the Sabbaths in the Greek.
---wayne on 8/20/09


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#3 The alteration of the system could only be logically validated if a process could be established which elevated Christ to an equality with God and then gave authority to the Church to exercise such authority as might be construed as being conferred on the Church. The first inroad into the law was on the questions of the Passover and weekly Sabbath. The establishment of Sunday as a compulsory day of worship commenced with the Council of Elvira (c. 300).
---wayne on 8/20/09


1a Lee-The introduction of Sunday worship into Rome was under the influence of the Mystery and Sun Cults (see S. Bacchiocchi, From Sabbath to Sunday, Pontifical Gregorian University Press Rome, 1975). This error was followed by a series of innovations such as the introduction of Easter. When Easter was introduced by Anicetus for political reasons, it was resisted by the church outside of Rome, whose spokesman was the disciple of John, namely Polycarp. When Bishop Victor, ca 192, forced its uniform acceptance in the Roman Church, Polycrates as successor to Polycarp, was unable to stem the flow of error and the Christian church divided in what was, notwithstanding the Montanist error, perhaps the first great Schism.
---wayne on 8/20/09


1b Lee-It was done at the order of Victor who declared all who would not accept Easter in place of the Passover as anathema (Cox, (No, 277 op.cit).So the first major schism was in 192 with the Passover/Easter controversy when Easter was introduced to the church from Rome by force. (cf. The Quartodeciman Disputes (No. 277). By 325 at the Council of Nicea there had seen so much pagan doctrine introduced through the worship of Attis and the Easter system that another division occurred from the Council of Nicea.Innovation grew upon innovation based on the Mystery cults and the political drives of the church leaders.
---wayne on 8/20/09


//No where did the early assembly keep sunday, period. History proves you wrong, as does scripture

Sorry Wayne, but if you were to ask any church historian, he likely would tell you that the early church by the end of the 1st century no longer observed the sabbath outside of Jewish communities. And if you were to press them further, they would point to a horde of ancient documents establishing their belief.

Do take the time to read "From Sabbath to Sunday, a Historical Investigation of the Rise of Sunday Observance in Early Christianity" by SDA scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi. He was a church historian & theologian at Andrews Univ.

Of course, you may feel the truth would only confuse you?
---lee on 8/20/09


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//...have learned that the Sabbath is not for new testament Christians.

That is the major objection to keeping the OT Sabbath. It is strictly an Old Covenant law that has not been carried over into the New Covenant of the church.

However, those that object tell us that they cannot find where the Sabbath commandment has been annulled. They simply overlook the fact that there are over 600+ OT laws, most of which pertains only to Israel, and the Sabbath was given only to Israel as a sign of the Old Covenant (Ex. 31:17).

It is just too easy to see why the early Gentile church did not preach Sabbath keeping.
---Lee on 8/20/09


Mark_Eaton- You say its not a deliberate mistranslation, you'd better research deeper. The original manuscripts say exactly what I say they do. A Greek Orthodox priest confirmed it with me, that Mia Ton Shabbaton means exactly what I said it did. I love how when christianity is proven wrong, all of a sudden the teeth come out and no one admits to it. Why is that? The scriptures have been messed with, this is fact, you mean to tell me you can prove that wrong, this I would love to see.
---wayne on 8/20/09


Mark Eaton-

In Vol. 35 of Word Bible Commentary (p. 1188), admission is made that the first day of the week literally means one of the Sabbaths in the Greek. The truth of the matter is that there is no Greek-speaking linguistic scholar or professor who would deny this fact. I myself have consulted numerous professors of Greek at prestigious universities (such as Dickenson College in Carlisle, PA) who have confirmed the literal meaning of this phrase. We will prove in this chapter that first day of the week is a misrepresentation of the Greek
---wayne on 8/20/09


In Greek, the phrase "first day of the week" is properly rendered protes hemeras tes hebdomados. Interestingly, the Greek word for "day" does not appear in any of the "first day of the week" verses in the New Testament.If we look at a literal rendering of these phrases, we see that they would be better translated as "one of the Sabbaths" (mian sabbaton, mias sabbaton, and mia ton sabbaton), or "First Sabbath" (prote sabbatou).In 1926, Greek scholar A.E. Knoch first published his Concordant Literal New Testament. The goal of Knoch's work was to eliminate doctrinal bias from the translation of the Greek New Testament into English.
---wayne on 8/20/09


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Kella8334, I truly do not judge anyone for what day they keep holy. That's between you and God. But I would be interested in hearing why you stopped keeping it? I keep it, I am not nor ever have been a member of the SDA, never even stepped foot in one of their churches. (nothing against them) But over the last 10 years I have started to see scripture differently, and I simply do not see where Sabbath (any commands) have been done away with, nor found where Sabbath was moved to another day. I can find that in the writings of the church fathers... but not in scripture.

Enlighten me. :-)

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/20/09


Yes, The 7th Day Sabbath is a matter of GOD's Holy Word and Command. You will not find one Bible Verse stating that GOD has changed the Sabbath Day. You will not find any Scriptural support that GOD has "abolished" the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 are not Verses that nullify the Sabbath of GOD. Rather, they reinforce it. The followers of GOD, at that time, were being told that now, since they follow the New Blood Covenant, they no longer had to follow the Sabbaths and Holy Feasts. (As some of the Church is trying to say today). But, in these Verses, the Saints are told to not let anyone persuade them FROM observing these things, for they are, indeed, of GOD, for His people, be they O.T. Saints or "N.T. Saints".
---Gordon on 8/20/09


The Saturday Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath day according to the Jewish calender.
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According to mans self professing RELIGIOUS christianity and ITS traditions Mark 7:6-7 it is a "Jewish Sabbath" under a Jewish Calendar (except Gods Word does not say Jewish Sabbath OR calendar ...Hebrew Calendar MADE and GIVEN to ancient Israel BY GOD)

...rcc is MOTHER In Rev 17, Dan 7:25 who abolished Gods calendar adopting pagan days ...GIVEN by ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 11:4

The Sabbath is perpetual day (meaning forever)Ex 31:16

...remember rcc BOLDLY declares God never abolished or changed HIS Sabbath Day ...Spiritual Israel is GRAFTED IN and FOLLOWS Christ who KEPT the Sabbath
---Rhonda on 8/20/09


I am a former Sabbath keeper. I would say outwardly that I don't keep the Sabbath to be a Christian but inwardly I felt that I had to. It has been a few years now since I've stepped away from this belief and have learned that the sabbath is not for new testament christians.
More on a later post
---Kella8334 on 8/20/09


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I am a former Sabbath keeper. I would say outwardly that I don't keep the Sabbath to be a Christian but inwardly I felt that I had to. It has been a few years now since I've stepped away from this belief and have learned that the sabbath is not for new testament christians.
More on a later post
---Kella8334 on 8/20/09


The Saturday Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath day according to the Jewish calender. Apostle Peter delivered God's Plan of Salvation on the day of Pentecost according Acts 2 v's 37-41 & Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20 under the Jewish calender. Apostle Paul delivered This Very Same Salvation message to us gentiles under the roman calender, the gentile sabbath day which is Sunday. Sure, I think since God's Salvation Plan came under the Jewish calender, that us gentiles should observe the same. Why not?
---Lawrence on 8/20/09


The Saturday Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath day according to the Jewish calender. Apostle Peter delivered God's Plan of Salvation on the day of Pentecost according Acts 2 v's 37-41 & Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20 under the Jewish calender. Apostle Paul delivered This Very Same Salvation message to us gentiles under the roman calender, the gentile sabbath day which is Sunday. Sure, I think since God's Salvation Plan came under the Jewish calender, that us gentiles should observe the same. Why not?
---Lawrence on 8/20/09


Wayne:

Since you have been bringing this up, I have researched it quite extensively. There is no DELIBERATE mistranslation.

The literal translation of the phrase "mia ton sabbaton" is "one of the Sabbaths" or "first of the Sabbaths".

The verse that is the pattern for the interpretation of "sabbaton" is:

Luke 18:12 "I fast twice a week, I pay tithes of all that I get".

Jesus here was speaking about a Pharisee. The fasted Wednesdays and Fridays. The word translated "week" here is the Greek word sabbaton or the plural word Sabbaths. The statement makes no sense if its translated as Sabbath, since the Pharisees did not fast twice on the Sabbath.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/20/09


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Lee- It was a deliberate mistranslation, but as most christians you could care a less. Your happier believing a lie. No where did the early assembly keep sunday, period. History proves you wrong, as does scripture
---wayne on 8/19/09


Wayne. The Sabbath is still Saturday. However, this is besides the point. The Acts of the Apostles record worshiping on the first day of the week. Second, considering that none of the Holy Apostles' successors (beginning in the 2nd century) mandated the observance of the Sabbath, and offer the Divine Liturgy on Sundays, it is reasonable to conclude that worshiping on Sunday is a tradition delivered by the Holy Apostles, and not something invented by the Roman Church.

"Its a deliberate mistranslation, youve believed a lie given to you by rome! "

Please leave Rome out of this. And do you have any training in a scholarly seminary, to conclude that the Greek texts said he rose on the Sabbath?

In IC.XC,
---Ignatius on 8/20/09


The Sabbath! The day of rest, order by God! So, why did the lord, break the law of the Sabbath, with the corn and his disciples?
(Because) if ye had known what this meaneth!


What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

How much then is a man better than a sheep?
Stretch forth (your) hand!


Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
Behold my mother and my brethren!

Still not clear is it!
God Bless
---TheSeg on 8/20/09


Wayne - //Show me where the Apostles set sunday as the christian sabbath?

Since the early church no longer observed the Sabbath by the end of the 1st century it is totally reasonable to conclude that neither the Apostles nor their immediate successors taught it.

As stated before, it would have been impractical to command Gentile converts to observe the Jewish Sabbath since Saturday was a workday in the Gentile world and most early Christians were of lower economic and social class.

Sunday was the mandated non-workday, so it was practical for Christians to gather on that day. See "from Sabbath to Sunday, a Biblical perspective" by Samuele Bacchiocchi.
---lee on 8/19/09


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// most of the bibles say they came to the tomb on the first day of the week, but in the Greek it doesnt say that. It says Mia Ton Shabbaton which means early on the regular Sabbath ( Saturday).

So you conclude all the translators of the different versions of the Bible did not know enough Greek to translate the passage correctly?

Conspiracy???? LOL.

I suppose you are now going to tell me you are an expert in Koine Greek? Have you taught the subject and graduated from some seminary?
---lee on 8/19/09


Lee- Show me where the Apostles set sunday as the christian sabbath?

In the Gospel of John most of the bibles say they came to the tomb on the first day of the week, but in the Greek it doesnt say that. It says Mia Ton Shabbaton which means early on the regular Sabbath ( Saturday). So Yahushua was raised on the Sabbath not on sunday. Its a deliberate mistranslation, youve believed a lie given to you by rome! So once again show me where they set sunday as the sabbath, for all through out the new test they worship on the regular sabbath, but please feel free to show me.
---wayne on 8/19/09


It is rather interesting that those who pitch the Sabbath cannot find anything in the New Testament that either commands or even suggest it. All we have regarding holy days is Roman 14:5-6 where it says we may or may not esteem or observe any day.

The Sabbath has meaning only within the Jewish communities as no other people or nation ever observe it.

Saturday was considered a workday in Gentile nations, and most early Christians were of lower economic & social classes. Can you see a Christian slave asking his master for a certain day off for religious reasons?
---lee on 8/19/09


Cluny: "Nothing in Acts 15 about obliging the Gentile Christians to keep it."

What a lame excuse for not observing it. A christian is a christian whether Jew or Gentile.
---Steveng on 8/19/09


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Christians have filled up every minute of every day, 24/7, with ipods, computers, TV, radio, friends, family, work, school, church, studying the bible, shopping, entertainment, and on and on that they can't spare a few minutes of their precious time to truly walk and talk WITH God (as opposed to talking TO God).

The Sabbath is a time to develop a very personal relationship with God - the same way a person develops a relationship with an earthly friend. No books, no bible, no chrisitan reference books or concordances - just you and God alone.
---Steveng on 8/19/09


>According to the Jewish Calendar - lunar calendar (which Jesus and the Apostles used), the Sabbath is Friday sundown (6pm) to Saturday sundown (6pm).

The day begins with sundown and ends with sundown which varies depending on the latitude.
---dconklin on 8/19/09


The rest is *in* us . . . all the time, if we obey > "the kingdom of God is within you," Jesus says, in Luke 17:21. In God's Holy Spirit there are no days > because God is eternal > "as He is, so are we in this world." (in 1 John 4:17) God is doing His work every day. He never stops, He never gets tired > "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29) You might notice that the examples James uses of works that justify (James chapter two) are ones done in personal relating with people and with God. Abraham did exactly what God personally communicated with Abraham . . . not just copy-cat stuff that any psychopath could imitate.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/19/09


David -//The commandments to be inscribed in our hearts...Yes,the same commandments of Ex 20.

If that view is correct then the Lord wrote the ministry of condemnation and death on our hearts.

2 Cor. 3:7-9 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory?For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
---lee on 8/19/09


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//We are not under the law, but under Grace.

As one that strives to keep the Christian Sabbath (Sunday) established as a tradition by the Apostles & their immediate successors, I can only agree with Anon.

We truly need a day of rest from our labors and in which we may gather to worship the Lord with others, in spirit and truth.John 4:23-24
---lee on 8/19/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Having begun in the Spirit, are we now made Perfect by the flesh?

The only way to keep the Sabbath, no matter the day of the week the world wishes to say the Sabbath falls on, is to abide in the Fulfillment of the Righteousness of the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ.

No man can fulfill all the Commandments & Truly keep the Sabbath without the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ because if we fail in one part of the Commandments, we've failed in all of the Commandments as a whole.

What the Righteousness of the law could not do through the flesh, it does through its Fulfillment in Christ, making us Perfect in keeping all of the Commandments, the Sabbath included.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/19/09


Sabbath is a covenant gift from God for His bride. Marriage and Sabbath were the only things Adam and Eve could take from the garden. The word ABBA is in the Sabbath for a reason. When adopted by His Spirit we are born again. The Sabbath that God calls us to keep is the law described in Ps 40:8. The commandments to be inscribed in our hearts...Yes,the same commandments of Ex 20. The feast sabbaths are obsolete. The Law written on the fleshy tablets of the heart was spoken on Sinai. Daniel says that the little horn power will think to "change times and laws". Beware when we say peace, peace where there is no peace. Peace is in Him and resting as He commands. Not as man dictates.
---David on 8/19/09


I love how christians say YHVH's laws and commandments are a burden. Christians follow the gospel of paul, I will follow the Gospel of Yahushua. There is a difference, but most christians refuse to admit this. All of scripture tells us to follow the commandments, yet christians say just love your neighbor, follow your conscience, as if mans conscience should be trusted. We are told by christians to just believe thats it, faith only. Yet James stands in thier way and says faith alone cannot save you, period.
---wayne on 8/19/09


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According to the Jewish Calendar - lunar calendar (which Jesus and the Apostles used), the Sabbath is Friday sundown (6pm) to Saturday sundown (6pm). This is the Sabbath we should keep. Today we go by the Gregorian Calendar - solar calendar (started by Constantine), which is a Pagan calendar (worship of false gods and even Satan himself). Most Christians celebrate Sabbath on Sunday (dedicated to the pagan god of the sun). We MUST come out from them and be separate and holy, and do things God's way, NOT mans.
---Leslie on 8/19/09


The purpose of the Sabbath was simply to provide a day of rest and relaxation for those who would labor.

It is unfortunate that there are those who feel that the Sabbath has to be some kind of obligation or burden designed as a test of ones faith. And that is why, I would reckon, Jesus had such problems with the Sabbath keepers, the ones that made a fetish out of it and eventually brought Him to the Cross.
---lee on 8/19/09


It is good to rest, free yourself from the mudane daily affairs of life and give the day totally to the Lord whether Jew or Gentile. More importantly I can't see any disadvantage in obedience.
The argument over whether its Saturday or Sunday misses the point and is fruitless at its conclusion because the Sabbath was made for man not the other way around. I attend a Saturday evening service but I have not gone as far as some 7th Day Adventist in worhip of the Sabbath instead of on the Sabbath.
---larry on 8/19/09


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