People who live in Disgrace make their own rules as they go along. Certain things are not optional, nor free for private interpretation:
Matthew 28:19-20: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Also, Luke 17:1-10. |
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---Nana on 9/30/09 |
Because the gift of salvation is a FREE gift that was given "graciously", NOT imperialistically, NOTHING is expected in return (do not mistrust Jesus's love).
We should simply REST and relax in The Lord...do NOTHING in an attempt to repay God (as though it were possible).
OUR DESIRE to be helpful to someone should remain a "DESIRE"/wish/sentiment of our own and not be done because we think that it is an OBLIGATION/requirement (in these economic hard times, if we wish to keep all of our money for the health of our families and fulfill our God given parental responsibilities, we should do so).
We must REST INside of our sabbath...
JESUS is lord of the modern sabbath (there is no more sabbath DAY). |
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---more_excellent_way on 9/24/09 |
People who don't understand Grace are compelled to refer to the LAW in all things.
It is only human. Life really is EASIER when we have all the do's and don'ts. There is security in the law. It gives us a basis to judge others and ourselves as well.
Living by Grace causes us to walk in the Spirit. We have to dwell in the Word and and listen to His voice. There are no "rules" for some situations. It can be uncertain at times.
I JN 1:6-7 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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---Donna66 on 9/24/09 |
more_excellent_way,
You are on a good roll these days, keep it up! |
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---Nana on 9/23/09 |
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Grace requires that we...
........STAND DOWN (forsake our pride/ego).
Jesus did "the works of God" (John 6:28 and 9:3) and our responsibility is to TRUST that His works are completely sufficient and that salvation was given FREELY (is a GRACIOUSLY GIVEN gift).
When/if we decide to give help or assistance to someone, we must not be giving our assistance GRUDGINGLY, we should be giving WILLFULLY/cheerfully (that "giving" will be of "OUR spirit"/wishes/desire, not from any "obedience"/law/rules).
We can make no effort that is "Godworthy", but we can have QUALITIES that are Godworthy (the fruit of light, Ephesians 5:8). |
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---more_excellent_way on 9/22/09 |
"So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat OR drink, OR for not celebrating certain holy days, OR new moon ceremonies OR Sabbaths. For these rules were only a shadow of the real thing, Christ Himself." Col 2:16-17 New Living Bible.
The agrument here is whether 'Sabbaths' refer to the ceremonial Sabbaths or the weekly Sabbaths. I believe they refer to both. As Christ became our rest instead of a day of the week. |
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---lee on 8/28/09 |
dconklin -- >Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
I don't see that "in respect of" has any special function in the meaning of the passage. More important is the word OR.
"..OR in drink, OR in respect of a holy day, OR of the new moon, OR of the sabbath days." These phrases, all linked by the word OR, tell us the things listed are all in the same catagory. The repetition of the word OR emphasizes that!.
"In respect of" is merely a prepositional phrase modifying "holy day", "new moon" or "sabboth" day. |
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---Donna66 on 8/27/09 |
True,the ot only required ,in it's beginnings,that one do not this or that.Today loving kindness is what we do .It is mentally and physically demanding on the person to do this 24/7.
Much is given thus much is required.Likewise with the ones with the talents given by their master.The master now expects his investments to grow. |
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---earl on 8/27/09 |
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>thro we judge not those who observe new moons, festivals & the Sabbath,(Col. 2:16)
That verse doesn't say that. The verse is talking about ascetic Jews who were judging the believers about their eating and drinking on those days. The most ignored words in the passage are "in respect of" (GK: en merei, which literally means "in that part of").
I spent almost 3 years studying Col. 2:16-17. This can be found online by searching for "Significant Words and Grammatical Structure of Colossians 2:16-17." |
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---dconklin on 8/27/09 |
dconklin - thro we judge not those who observe new moons, festivals & the Sabbath,(Col. 2:16) does the OT really demand them of us?
Apparently those that pitch tithing, will say that nowhere in the New Testament (New Covenant) do we see any negation of these ordinances or practices, and therefore they maintain that we should still obey them.
I pointed out to one prominent theologian who writes lots of books, that if you believe selected OT laws are still mandatory,then we truly need a pope or some kind of infallible religious leader to guide us.
Of course, saying things were not negated by the New Covenant, is making an argument from silence. |
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---lee on 8/27/09 |
>Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The three most misubderstood words in that verse are "in respect of." The ascetics were judging the believers for their eating and drinking _on_ the days that are then mentioned. It would be like someone judging you for eating a large meal at Sunday lunch. The issue then wouldn't be Sunday, but the lunch. |
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---dconklin on 8/26/09 |
"But then Paul goes on to tell us"
A great book could be written along that line. If it were not that he did, we would have a very dimished Gospel and Doctrine based at best on some five precepts only. "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"
"So to avoid discipline we need to know what is expected of us. It is good we have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide us, but we need to listen to His voice."
lee, Amen to that! |
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---Nana on 8/25/09 |
In a sense this is true. Grace gives us tremendous freedom.
The law says, DO this! DON'T do that! The pharisees were models of this kind of religion. Life is easy when there are rules for everything and they are all spelled out for you.
The old ordinances, which were a yoke to the Jews, and a partition-wall to the Gentiles were nailed to the cross by the Savior.
Therefore Paul (a pharisee turned Christian)
said
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:16
The new rule, of our new life, is "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him".(Col 2:6) Great liberty... but great responsibility. |
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---Donna66 on 8/25/09 |
Grace "demands" nothing! It deserves EVERYTHING! God gave the law to show our need of a Saviour, then, at His appointed time, He brought forth His only begotten Son, to provide the payment of grace for us who could in no way make the payment ourselves. Praise God! |
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---tommy3007 on 8/25/09 |
To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?
It by the Grace of God that the Righteousness of the Law is Fulfilled in His Children through the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, freeing us from the law of sin & death.
As more is revealed & given unto us, more shall be required. (Luke 12:48)
Now, Instead of making animal sacrifices, to save our lives which only later led to us losing it because we could not fulfill the righteousness of the law : We (and not animal) are killed all the day long and accounted as sheep for the slaughter. While losing our lives for Christ sake, we find it : through His Fulfillment of the Righteousness of the Law. |
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---Shawn.M.T. on 8/25/09 |
Does grace demand more of the believer than it did under the law?
Romans 6:14 tells us we are not under the law but under grace.
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
But then Paul goes on to tell us we are not to continue in sin. (6:15)
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
But since sin can be viewed as a transgression of the law (Torah) then effectively we must be responsive to the law even if we are under grace.
The Author I referred to pitched the law of OT tithing, claiming that Christians are still under that law as it has never been negated in the NT. But I guess they have to protect their financial turf. |
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---lee on 8/25/09 |
//Galatians 3:24 states, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto The Messiah, that we might be justified by faith."
And the following verse 25 states "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
And that is because by faith we became children of God."For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."
And as children of God, we come under His loving and caring discipline.
Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,and chastises every son whom he receives.
So to avoid discipline we need to know what is expected of us. It is good we have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide us, but we need to listen to His voice. |
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---lee on 8/25/09 |
Grace demands that we forgive 70 times 7 times. |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 8/25/09 |
#1 It is the grace of Yahuah that brings to man the Law and its curse. Yahuah's holiness would seem to demand that He purge the earth of sinful man. Man has turned his back on Yahuah from the time of Eden and deserves to be snuffed out and without so much as an explanation. However, Yahuah showed favor (grace) to man and gave to him His holy Law so that man would understand wherein he has offended his Creator. Galatians 3:24 states, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto The Messiah, that we might be justified by faith." Therefore it is blatantly obvious that it was the grace of Yahuah that delivered to man His Law with its curse to bring man to his knees in search of mercy |
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---wayne on 8/25/09 |
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From what do we gain freedom? Romans 6:18 states, "Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." Ephesians 2:1-10 describes how the believer WAS dead in trespasses and sins. But now he is "made alive" and "unto good works." When he was "dead" he was in sin / transgression of the Law. But once he is made alive unto good works, he is no longer in sin. If sin is transgression of the Law, then "good works" would be obedience to the Law. |
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---wayne on 8/25/09 |
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