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Properity Gospel Biblical

Is prosperity gospel Biblical?

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paul said he profited in the jews religion, but after he met the ascended christ, he apparently left it all behind
---michael_e on 1/15/10


I flinch every time I hear the word doctrine. Yet I know there are true doctrines, but they are plainly laid out by the Apostles,called the Apostles doctrine. There are no other doctrines of the church. As long as you operate in faith by your works to obey Gods word you will prosper. That faith does include giving but you can give God all your money and not obey him in some other aspect and you will still be cursed.

Colossians 3:5-6 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth,

(Meaning die to your flesh) Cause if you sin
wilfully.

For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
---exzucuh on 1/15/10


1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God. Every child of God is made an heir through Christ Jesus to receive all the same things from God. All the good things in life pertaining to life and godliness and all His wonderful promises. The most important inheritance is our salvation and eternal life. The fruits of the Holy Spirit we inherited help us to live Godly lives. Those who preach prosperity must know that the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil and even those with unselfish and good intentions can be and/or are affected when they don't receive their financial blessings.
---Bob on 1/15/10


One "Prophet" wrote a letter to me and in it this GUY said,

"IF YOU GIVE... then "it" definitely will be given back to me."

Then HE had the audacity to say that people would be giving "it" back to me...
-In good measure
-Pressed together
-Running over

Went further to say,

"IF I even GIVE a cup of water, I GET a reward deposited into Heaven for GIVING.

The nerve of THIS GUY trying to get a blessing to me by making me into a GIVER! (DUDE also wrote something crazy about rising from the dead after three days???)

I may want to re-read the Gospels before taking the False Gospels Bible Quiz.

Just an observation... Blessings!
---Legends on 1/14/10


Rob:

From what I have seen of Mark Chironna, both from his own web site, and what some others have written about him, is that he sounds like one of these slick modern psychological lifestyle coach types - he can teach you to make more effective use of your life (for a nominal fee, of course). Then again, this is the kind of thing that Scientology promises as well, as do other many non-religious cult-like organizations like est, etc.

This is not to say that there is anything specifically wrong with taking control of your life and living it more effectively (or of making a living out of helping others to do so), but it's psychology, not religion.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/09




StrongAxe, that persons name is Mark Chironna. His ministry is called CREATING YOUR WORLD. I guess the world that God created is not good enough so he teaches people to be their own God and too create their own world.

Another thing which shows TBN has no shame is they are telling people 70 years old and older, if they want an annuity they need to send TBN $5,000 dollars or more.
---Rob on 11/23/09


I try to not directly criticize the institutional church.

I tend to try to focus on what is right, rather than what is wrong.

However, this behavior gives christendom a bad name. Christians ought to speak out against this stuff, otherwise the silence of Christians condone the abuse of the "pulpit."
---Rod4Him on 11/23/09


This week on TBN Rod Parsley is telling people if they want to receive a miracle, they need to sow a seed (send money) of $35-$1,000 to receive a so called prayer cloth that he along with others will pray over.
---Rob on 11/23/09


calhoon:

That's like that old classic Gospel hymn:

I surrender ten percent.
I surrender ten percent.
Ten percent to thee, my blessed Savior.
I surrender ten percent.


(or something similar?)
---StrongAxe on 11/22/09


"What must man do to be saved? Give 10 percent. That is what I hear in church"

I have never heard that in any church I have been in in 70 years (OK for the first 15 or so of those I would not have been listening)
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/22/09




What must man do to be saved? Give 10 percent. That is what I hear in church.
---calhoon on 11/21/09


JackB:

Saying "it is good to help with God's ministry" is exhortation, which is good. Saying "God won't bless you if you don't help with his ministries" is coersion, which is not good. Saying "God won't bless you if you won't help with my ministry" is extortion. Unfortunately, many teachers teach the last two messages.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/09


Giving money may help with missionary costs, giving time may lead people to Christ etc etc

GOd doesnt value gold and such as Eloy has said, true. I think He would just like for us to give a little back, ya know?

Unfortunately a lot of people feed off of this love to make their pockets fat.
---JackB on 11/19/09


so many wolves in sheeps clothing today, fleecing the sheep. As Christ furiously whipped them out of the church, so again he will throw them out into the fire, he will love them no more.
---Eloy on 11/18/09


Rod:

That's not good at all. For all their faults, I can't imagine TBN allowing such a message of explicit deception on their network. Do you remember the speaker's name?
---StrongAxe on 11/17/09


Yesterday I was watching a person I had never heard of before on TBN.

He was teaching about how to prosper by using Christianity to decieve and con people out of their money.

He was talking about merchandising (selling) Christianity to make money, which is the same thing as prostituting the Gospel for selfish gain.
---Rob on 11/17/09


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The Lord will give you your heart's desire: if it's a good one then you won't desire prosperity. Almighty God has and does bring prosperity to His children i.e. those who have been generous themselves or those who prove themselves responsible. At one PG church I saw the wealthy few: Do they use such a place as an excuse not to be generous to others? I doubt that they actually put much into the collection (I knew one as a right penny-pincher). And I saw the want-to-prosper many who surely desired it and most likely gave all they could in hope of being one of those few. Do any make it? Well the Lord also gives the heart's desire of the wicked too, and not for good! It ushers in the old adage of being careful what you wish for.
---John_II on 11/15/09


I believe that if a ministry is of God, He will provide for that ministry. It may be by the giving of money from people whom that ministry blesses. But for people to ask those who are watching or listening to send money is a denial of faith in God to provide for the needs of that ministry.

When God builds the house, it will prosper. If God didn't build it, it will fall.
---Sandra on 11/15/09


The prosperity message is short sighted and a stumbling block for many who find themselves in this narrow frame. The goals Jesus set up for His followers are summed up in Love and not gain. The Bible says that in the last days some will believe that "to gain is godliness". Anyone who believes the Bible is the word of God knows that the ones who dwell on prosperity on this earth are in serious error.
---jody on 11/15/09


One persistent teaching among most prosperity teachers is that to receive a blessing, you need to first "seed" money to God (usually through the teacher himself). This amounts to paying God in order to receive a blessing.

This is called Simony, a heinous perversion of religious faith, named after the infamous Simon Magus who offered to pay the apostles to give him the power of laying on hands (Acts 8:9-224).

Gifts are gifts. One doesn't buy them, if one does, they're not gifts.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/09


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The Prosperity Gospel the way it is being taught today is NOT Biblical.

God says in his word that he will pour out blessings BUT we must abide in Him and he in us. AND we must make sure we are good stewards of what belongs to God.

God also says that trials will come and that they aren't unusual. But that we must endure them by ABIDING in God. And he will help us stand!

Has anyone not read that God says we reap what we sow?
And I don't mean if we sow money we will get money either. It is the LOVE that is sown and it is LOVE we will get back!
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


A-men Rob! Jesus bless you:
~He's got the whole wo-orld, in his hands
He's got the whole wo-orld, in his hands
He's got the whole wo-orld, in his hands
He's got the whole world in his hands.
He's got the wind and the rain, in his hands (x3)
He's got the whole world in his hands.
He's got the you and me brother, in his hands (x3)
He's got the whole world in his hands.
He's got the little bitty baby, in his hands (x3)
He's got the whole world in his hands.
He's got everybody here, in his hands (x3)
He's got the whole world in his hands.
---Eloy on 11/13/09


Eloy, what you wrote in you last post is 100% true.

It brought me joy to know it is you who wrote it, and I hope it brought joy to others.

Thank You!
---Rob on 11/12/09


No. God the Creator does not need anything at all from his creation that he created, especially not pieces of metal or notes called money. And it is immature foolishness for a person to think that they can actually buy or bargain with God Almighty, for the entire world is in the palm of his hand.
---Eloy on 11/12/09


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This are the sharlitans that God has reserved the darkest part of hell!
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/11/09


how convenient for churches to say you should tithe but ignore the saturday sabbath which is a greater commandment!!
---glen on 11/9/09


Well, i believe that the world is been misled by the prosperity gospel. People are no longer looking unto Jesus, but the things He has to offer. Yet, He said seek ye first the kingdom of God and all other things will be added unto you. God is a jealous God and if you walk with Him on a second to second basis then He will provide for you. Remember if u focus on the things of this world e.g a house (creation) that becomes an idol, but if you focus on Him then he provides your desires. Thats why you hear people say when they gave up thinking/praying about e.g a house(creation) they got it.
---sarah on 10/15/09


my experience with prosperity gospel is with the book of Malachi. many televangelist quote & exploit that book. they claim that with faith + your gift of 10% you will become rich bec. the statement that 'the doors of heaven will open that those who give will not have room to contain the blessings'.
they also claim that once you give to god the tools to preach the gospel, people will be blessed. i read an article about copeland & hinn that the private jet they have is used to preached the gospel. and of course they will say that god will bless you
---mike on 9/2/09


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Leslie:

Exactly! Just look at Jesus - lord of heaven and earth, yet he didn't even have a roof to put over his head. So, if one follows the teachings of these prosperity teachers, one must believe that Jesus was the biggest failure imaginable - he obviously didn't the faith necessary to be prosperous.

Jesus obviously had a different concept of prosperity than they do.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/09


Leslie you are exactly right.
---Rickey on 9/1/09


While prosperity itself IS Biblical, the proserity gospel is NOT. The people that teach such things, teach that God wants you to have $1 million dollars and a new sports car, but only if you give me $1000. 1st you having these things may NOT be God's will, because you will make them your god. 2nd we are to give to God, NOT people to pocket and buy them the sports car. 3rd prosperity is more than just money, it is for the whole life to be successful (money, health, relationships, spirit, soul (mind, will, emotions), and body). 4th prosperity is linked to OBEDIENCE - this is NOT taught in prosperity gospel.
---Leslie on 9/1/09


mike:

It's because they run very profitable operations, and as major rainmakers, deserve a good share of the profits (which are even higher, since they are declared non-profit organization. All that money has to go SOMEWHERE).

The same happens with others who make people spend lots of money - movie stars, sports stars, famours musicians and entertainers, etc.

Of course, when you convince poor widows to send their social security checks and live on cat food because God NEEDS their money - and then spend that money on luxury cars, mansions, yachts, private jets, (and sometimes drugs and prostitutes), that's deception and outright fraud. Plus you'll eventually answer to God for what you did with money you collected in his name.
---StrongAxe on 8/31/09


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to strongaxe

I am not for prosperity gospel. my question is just why are these televangelist have big salaries.

and it is posted in this website. is it because these televangelist designate how much they should be paid?

and you are right they are like a pyramid scheme.
---mike on 8/31/09


Tom2 ... So true!

There IS a prosperity gospel ... the one that Jesus taught about not building up treasures on earth, but storing up heavenly wealth.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/30/09


mike:

There are a lot of rich sports stars and movie stars, and these things aren't in the Bible either.

The reason there are so many rich pastors and televangelists is that they are very charismatic (much like used car salesmen) and can persuade many people of anything. They happen to persuade people that the prosperity gospel IS biblical (ignoring the parts about humility and the fact that Jesus didn't even have a roof over his head), and that the first step is to wealth is to give your money to the church or the pastor or the evangelist. Just like in any pyramid scheme, the people at the top of the pyramid get rich off the efforts of those on the bottom. (On second though, I guess that IS in the Bible - Pharoah...)
---StrongAxe on 8/30/09


I dont know that any of the first century church members were prosperous,I,am almost certain that none of the 12 apostles were,and that actually none were probably even remotely concerned with wordly prosperity,or that they ever thought about it.They were too busy being flogged,jailed,persecuted,and ultimately killed for their faith to worry about building a retirement portfolio.
---tom2 on 8/30/09


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The health/wealth distortion of the gospel, if I can be so blunt, sickens me. Very attractive, however, is it to the 'itching ear': You mean to say God 'is on my side' and He'll get me anything I want? I just have to say the magic words and POOF! He'll do as I command? Baloney. The Christian is a servant, better yet a 'slave' (Romans 6:22), of the Lord Almighty, and certainly not the other way around. The Christian must live in submission to His will and strive with every ounce of strength to obey His commandments (1 John 2:3).
---Bobby3 on 8/29/09


if prosperity gospel is not biblical, then why are there rich pastors & televangelist. one of the question posted in this website is

Big salaries for pastor / televangelist
---mike on 8/29/09


paul eluded to the church that he prayed that they would prosper,and that their souls would prosper.The real issue is what are treasures,or prospering.is it amassing worldly possessions,and money?or laying up treasures in heaven where moth and rust cant destroy them?do you seek a comfortable life,or are you working for a heavenly reward?
---tom2 on 8/29/09


Yes. Spiritually, physically, and eternally.
Galatians 3:13 says that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us....

Shows two things:
1) Christ took upon the curse being made poor, taking our sicknesses upon Him, & dying spiritually for us.

2)Him paying our price placed us back in the position to prosper in every area of life.

Look at Deuteronomy 28...it shows the curse of the law...what Christ has redeemed us from. (Deuteronomy 28:15-68)

In verses 1-12 it shows what is ours in Christ.
---Rickey on 8/28/09


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I find it ironic that prosperity gospel is not biblical yet you see these pastors earning more that $100,000/year. their justification for such lifestyle is they are 'bless' because they have blessed others.
---mike on 8/28/09


You sure can prosper in The Lord, the Righteous things of God for His Work.
The so called prosperity gospel I believe is, if you gave God $100.00 he will give seven fold & it would be $700.00, or if you gave $700.00 he in return will give $7000.00.
God's prosoerity I dont believe works in this manner.
God owns it All & he will give to who that He intrust with, even spiritual prosperity.
---Lawrence on 8/28/09


Yes, "prosper" is used extensively in conversations and promises in the relationship between God and the Patriarchs. These can be found in Genesis, Deuteronomy, Kings and of course Joshua 1:7
In all instances God denotes prosperity for the man as a by product of HIS mission and HIS will.
Today evangelists, who will not exist without a revenue stream from broadcasts, use the words of Malachi with guilt-driven messages to sow and reap and reduce spiritual prosperity to mere coins.
You may or may not have wealth, but what does wealth have to do with the biblical definition of prosperity?
---larry on 8/27/09


I am convinced the prosperity gospel is not Biblical. However I have no idea what the 'properity' gospel is!
---Warwick on 8/27/09


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If you are preacher/teacher whose chief desire is a large and popular ministry, "the prosperity gospel" is for you!

Who WOULDN'T like to hear that "God wants you to always have the best. He wants to give you a big house and fine car, because you are a child of the king" and "We are co-creators with God who spoke everything into existance" Issues of eternity are a side-bar if anything.

The Gospel of Christ is not so pleasant to hear. It tells us we are sinners undeserving of Heaven and that we cannot, by our own works, redeem ouselves. It says we must humble ouselves, repent, and commit our lives to Jesus, who sacrificed his life for us. Not a great crowd-pleaser. But the rewards are everlasting.
---Donna66 on 8/27/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Like anything else of God's Word, the Quote Unquote Prosperity Gospel are Biblical when heard & seen with a Spiritually Renewed Heart in Christ.

"Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again", "for the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal".

Luke 6:38 speaks of spiritual prosperity which the carnal mind cannot hear nor see but tries to use to fulfill the lust of his eyes, to no avail do to the lack of God's Spiritual Guidance : from whom we receive due reward of our deeds.
---Shawn.M.T. on 8/27/09


As Moderator said, NO! The "Prosperity Gospel" is not Biblical. I am having a bit of a problem convincing an inmate at the prison where I volunteer that God is not interested in us having lots of things. He keeps asking , "Why?" The answer is really simple, God wants us to be longing for His presence and His glory and if we accumulate too much "stuff" we will become so enamoured with our things that we won't want to leave the earth. Jesus said in John 17:3, "And this is eternal life that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." God's plan for us is to know Him, not have worldly posessions.
---tommy3007 on 8/27/09


I have had many Christian friends who stopped talking to me once I told them that the "prosperity gospel" was not Biblical. Hmmm. Jesus Christ was always my example. He was "rich" spiritually, but "poor" otherwise.

Many churches seem to use the "prosperity gospel" to get money out of people. These churches claim that "sowing" large sums of money will enable you to "reap" even larger sums of money. For a while, I believed that.

However, what these churches "forget" to mention is that GOD determines your rewards. That may be money or SOMETHING ELSE. Like good health, protection for your family, a new family member, etc. GOD determines it all.


---Augie on 8/27/09


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