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Faith Differs From Works

In what way does faith differ from works?

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People, know that there is no salvation to the fruitless tree? If you have No Works, you also will have No Salvation: "for the Command is Work the works of Christ while it is yet day, for the night is quickly coming when noone will be able to work. What do I say, says the Lord, I was hungry and you gave me no meat, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was naked and you gave me no clothes, I was sick and injured, and I was in prison but you visited me not. As you have no works says the Lord, so too I have no place for you in my heaven, O barren tree of worthlessness and you rotten branch of death, I never knew you, says the Lord, you will be rightly thrown into the lake of fire which I prepared for the devil and his angels."
---Eloy on 10/3/09


Mima, Everyone has faith and believes in someone or in something, but very very very few have works which God has Commanded all to Do. Only Doers Are Saved, And Hearers Only Are Condemned.
---Eloy on 10/3/09


Kathr, our very existence is a gift from God, so is our intellect, so is the faith all humans have. It is by faith an atheist boards an aeroplane, not knowing if it will safely arrive at its destination. We all live by faith.

If we become aware of our peril because of our sinfulness, we act by God given faith to ask Him to forgive us. By God's grace we are saved. All people have faith but not all people call out for help.
---Warwick on 10/3/09


Kathr, are not faith and grace both gifts?

Are all not given a measure of faith (Rom. 12:3) and is it not by this measure of faith that we understand we are lost in sin, and then cry out to Jesus for forgiveness?

Is not our forgiveness by the grace of God, via the measure of faith He gave us, both therefore gifts?
---Warwick on 10/1/09



Warwick, Romans 12:3 Faith here in Romans 12:3 keeping in context with these verses, is given to operate your spiritual Gift. Only those in Christ are given Spiritual Gifts of the Holy Spirit operating through us, Prophesy, teaching, evangelism etc, etc,.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/09


Nana, I will answer you comment, Mark 9:23, Here the Oldest manuscripts omit "believe" thus making the phrase "if you can" a question or exclamation on Jesus part. The issue was not His lack of power but the father's lack of faith. Jesus often healed apart from faith of those involved, here He chose to emphasize the power of faith (Matt. 17:20, Luke 17:6). Jesus healed multitudes, but most of them, did not believe in Him. (Luke 17:15-19).
The word "believe" which is "Pisteuo" is not found in any Lexicon aid that I have found, for Mark 9:23 that is why no explanation is given for it.
---MarkV. on 10/2/09




"Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief." [Mark 9:23-24]

Notice how that man is requesting the Lord's Grace with regards to his son and how he states that the bestowing of such a gift of Grace will help with his unbelief.
A child also learns to believe as when he asks his Father for a fish and get it. So then faith is the trust and certainty brought in the heart by means of grace and love...
---Nana on 10/2/09


Works, what does it mean in Scripture? People assume that living a good life, they have done all that is necessary to get to heaven on their merits. They rest their confidence on the good works they have performed to satify the demands of God's justice. God's law requires perfection. Since we are not perfect, we lack the necessary goodness to enter heaven. To believe that we are justified by our good works apart from faith is to embrace the heresy of "legalism." To believe that we are justified by a kind of faith that produces no works is to embrace the heresy of "antinomianism."
We are justified by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone. True justification is found on the merits of Christ works.
---MarkV. on 10/1/09


We can now REST. The only works we must do is to believe on HIM who HE has sent. We are the branches abiding(RESTING) in HIM, so HIS works(vine) will give us much fruit to bear. We will bear only good fruit if we rest(faith/trust) in HIM.
---duane on 10/1/09


Kathr, are not faith and grace both gifts?

Are all not given a measure of faith (Rom. 12:3) and is it not by this measure of faith that we understand we are lost in sin, and then cry out to Jesus for forgiveness?

Is not our forgiveness by the grace of God, via the measure of faith He gave us, both therefore gifts?
---Warwick on 10/1/09


Markv,
Do see the word "ADOPTED"? Think on this, why would God adopt you if you were already chosen?

He wouldn't. He would tell you come through the straight gate- CHRIST.
We must be adopted to be predestined, Markv. That is what is the WORD of GOD.
You become adopted son of God when you receive Christ.
REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!
REPENT AND BELIEVE!
These are things God requests us to do to be saved!
Then he sends the comfroter- HS to lead and guide us to seal us! This is the adoption process of God. None will get in without Christ!
And works IS THE RESULT of our FAITH in CHRIST!
---miche3754 on 10/1/09




"faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6) does works of God's love. Love's faith has us working together with God . . . "one spirit with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17), doing works that He has us doing in His love while faith has us laboring in connection with Him > "striving according to His working which works in me mightily." (in Colossians 1:29) "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for his good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13) So, faith in Jesus has us doing whatever God in us is working us to will and do.

But "works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:5) would be works in our own free wills free from God (Romans 6:20), with self-congratulating choosing.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/1/09


Larry, welcome aboard. You said, "The original word rendered ordained is not once used in the Scriptures to express eternal predestination of any kind"
I would differ and say you are wrong. In fact the word "ordain" means to decree, establish, enact, in this case the context Gentiles. The word "fore" means before in time, place. In Eph. 1:5, "Having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." Means that before in time and place, God decreed that "us" those who are saved, be adopted as sons through Jesus Christ according to the good pleasure of His will. It wasn't because of our will but His will.
---MarkV. on 10/1/09


MarkV.* There was a person name Lydia,
"One who heard of us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshipper of God. The Lord opened her heart to give heed to what was said by Paul"
Lydia heard the word just like many others do, but only believed in the Word because God opened her heart. Otherwise she would have never given heed to the Word spoken to her.

What does a worshipper of God mean? It does not say because God open her heart then she believed!

---Ruben on 9/30/09


The Lord opened her heart to give heed to what was said by Paul"MarkV...


But MarkV wait...God opening one's heart to give heed is NOT being Born Again FIRST, nor does it say that Lydia was given a sepcial GIFT of faith to believe.

Our conscience is in the HEART...not the MIND!!
---kathr4453 on 9/30/09


Markv, God opened Lydia's heart because he saw that she believed his word. Did you miss that part? Thats what Ive been telling you from the start. Its through believing God's word. He doesn't make you believe it. When he sees you do, he gives you the rest.

You are contridicting yourself again!

You said that sinners don't hear God's word without the holy Spirit. Clearly Lydia heard (and she didn't have the Holy Spirit in her at that time),believed and God did the rest.
The Gentiles heard too. The Holy Spirit wasn't in them yet to tell them what they heard was the truth. But you keep saying that God has to give the Holy SPirit for them to hear. BUT the Word of God clearly says different.
---miche3754 on 9/30/09


mark, It is tempting to take a verse to prove one's belief system without full examination of the context.

As many as were ordained to eternal life. This passage has been used by extreme Calvinism that makes God arbitrarily select some for salvation and reject others.
When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad. VERY IMPORTANT HERE! Why were the Gentiles GLAD? Because they knew OT Prophecy given to Abraham, that ALL families of the Earth, included now Gentiles. Gentiles are now offered the Gospel and the promise of the SPIRIT giving LIFE everlasting.
The original word rendered ordained is not once used in the Scriptures to express eternal predestination of any kind.
---Larry on 9/30/09


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Faith is God centered and trusts only in His power in and through us. Works are man cenered and cause us to look at our own efforts. Faith works, but trusting in works fails. In my flesh dwells no good thing. I can do all things through Christ!
---Jerry_Brandt on 9/30/09


There was a person name Lydia,
"One who heard of us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshipper of God. The Lord opened her heart to give heed to what was said by Paul"
Lydia heard the word just like many others do, but only believed in the Word because God opened her heart. Otherwise she would have never given heed to the Word spoken to her.
"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God, As many as were ordained to eternal life believed"
They were chosen from the foundation of the world, the elect, the Church.
---MarkV. on 9/30/09


Saving faith is only confusing because of those who twist scripture.
Ephesians says that Grace is the gift because you had faith in God. So, the gift is not faith, Grace is. And grace is given because you have faith which is a choice to believe God instead of man.
It comes from making the right Choice. And the grace is so that no man can boast!
---miche3754 on 9/30/09


Saving faith is confusing only when someone tries to change the word of God to fit their corrupt believes.
"For by grace you have been saved "through faith" and this is not your own doing, "it is a gift of God" not because of works, lest any man should boast" Eph. 2:8,9. Pretty simple words of God. Saved by "Grace" Through faith which is a gift of God so that no one can boast saying it was their works. MarkV***

MarkV, QUOTE in the KJV.


YOU are the one CORRUPTING scripture.

THE GIFT IS GRACE...Jesus Christ death and resurrection...YOU are putting the emphasis here on FAITH being the GIFT completely overloking Jesus as the Gift.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/09


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Christ reveals Himself to those He chooses to be revealed to. Matthew 11:26-27,
" Even so, Father, for so it seem good in your sight. All things have been delievered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him"
Only those whom Christ reveals to, will know Christ, and recognize their own spiritual bankruptcy and the weight of trying to save themselves by keeping the law. The stubborness of humanity's sinful rebellion is such that without a sovereignly bestowed spiritual awakening, all sinners refuse to acknowledge the depth of their spiritual poverty.
---MarkV. on 9/30/09


Saving faith is confusing only when someone tries to change the word of God to fit their corrupt believes.
"For by grace you have been saved "through faith" and this is not your own doing, "it is a gift of God" not because of works, lest any man should boast" Eph. 2:8,9. Pretty simple words of God. Saved by "Grace" Through faith which is a gift of God so that no one can boast saying it was their works.
"For it has been 'granted to you" that for the sake of Christ you should "Not only believe" in Him but also suffer for His sake" Phil. 1:29. Words of God. God has to enables us to believe in Christ.
---MarkV. on 9/29/09


That is a great way of saying this Donna.

Works are the fruit of being a Christian. They do not add to salvation. They are the fruit of being saved.
---Samuel on 9/29/09


It did seem you were confusing faith (the gift from God) by which ask for forgiveness, and works, the acts God calls the faithful saved to do for Him.

Maybe I misunderstood.
---Warwick on 9/26/09

Warwick, the GIFT from God is Jesus Christ crucified and risen.

There is no such thing as a supernatural GIFT of FAITH by which we ask forgivness.

The preaching of the Gospel IS THE POWER of GOD unto salvation. So in fact the one preaching the Gospel must be the one who has the GIFT of Evangelism, GODS POWER speaking through them.



Those in Nineveh were not supernaturally empowered to BELIEVE Jonah. Jonah was empowered to PREACH!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/09


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Rod4Him -- I for one, appreciate your historical insight. The discussion here is the same old works vs. faith debate which will probably continue till Jesus comes. Most here seem to agree that we are saved by faith. It is the role of works following salvation that is in question.

This discussion is beginning to weary me.
I'm gaining a new appreciation for this verse.
Ecc 5:2 Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


duane--
Yes, of course many unbelievers perform good works. But I thought we were talking about the believer... who does not need to "work" for his salvation, which is freely given by Grace through faith.

The believer is not an unwilling slave. I meant that for the Christian, "works" should be EVIDENCE. You used the word FRUIT, which expresses it much better.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


Rod4him, That was very good.

I know even unsaved people talk about having faith all the time. They have faith God will help pay the bills, or get them through illness etc.

Before Jesus went to the cross, men had faith in Jesus to physically heal the sick. Unfortuantely Jesus came to Spiritually heal the sick and to give sight to the spiritually blind. So many even today don't want that part of Jesus Christ...only what they can see, touch and taste NOW. John 6 tells a great story. They wanted bread for the belly ONLY...not the BREAD of LIFE of Christ Himself.
In the end what does Jesus say about those who walked away....even though they had faith He could cook up more bread and fish!
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


Good point Rod4Him

John sums it up best.

1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.


1Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Works are the result of faith. No works shows no faith.
---Samuel on 9/28/09


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As I read through these posts in this blog, again, it appears that people are discussing different sides of the same coin in many cases.
It also appears that one person views "faith" as an intellectual activity, and another sees works as something to add to faith (an intellectual activity).
Let me suggest that the Hebrew mind understood "faith" as an action type of word. The Greeks thought in more philosophical/intellectual terms, and the West tends to do the same thing.
I suggest people ought to think of faith as an action word. Whatever a person has "faith" in, they will have an action to go with that "faith."
---Rod4Him on 9/28/09


Thank you Kath, I agree 100% and thank you for the scripture back up too.

Markv, I am not falsely accussing you. You said I didn't say that faith comes from hearing when I did say that. The last I checked, that is calling someone a liar and false accusation. You do this all the time because you do not understand the WHOLE of scripture only parts. You dissect the word when I and others see it as a whole.
The WORD describes the steps of salvation and adoption which you for some reason don't get. It is IN/THROUGH CHRIST that we become addopted and predestined for salvation. You refuse to see and hear the scripture that is given to you. Kath is right and I back her up 100%
---miche3754 on 9/28/09


What people need to be aware of is any DOCTRINE that ends in ISM

CalvinISM
CatholicISM
MormonISM

I think you get the idea.

ISM's cause SchISM's
And Movements will pass

But the word of the Lord endures FOREVER.

Definition of ISM:
doctrine: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school.

But, is is accepted by GOD?

Anything that ends in ISM..run for your life. They CHANGE the meanings and definitions of God's WORD.

I don't need a school or GROUP of anyone telling me what to believe. The Holy Spirit is my teacher, and Christ IS MY LIFE, without schISMs.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


John 8:9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Miche, here is a perfect example of a depraved person being convicted out of his OWN CONSCIENCE. Therefore it is our CONSCIENCE MarkV God works through in the depraved man. AND a depraved man CAN be convicted of sin BY THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE.

So again MarkV HEAD-KNOWLEDGE does not SAVE anyone.

AND obvously after MarkV reply here to me...he doesn't believe we continue to LIVE by FAITH AFTER we are saved.

Very enlightening MarkV.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


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Miche, I believe God said those who cause contentions we are to reject.

You see, MarkV is NOT Abraham's seed, because he does not walk in the STEPS of the FAITH of Abraham....he's walking in something else he calls faith, but not teh one in Romans 4, placing being born again before faith.

Therefore, according to Romans 4 the KIND OF FAITH Abraham had IS NOT A WORK, and that is the ONLY kind of faith God recognizes. THAT faith comes by hearing...and working through our conscience..depraved or not!



Faith DOES NOT come by hearing and agreeing with what MarkV has to say! YET, he seems to think so!
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


Miche, you are beginning to sound like others who accuse others of remarks they never said. I never called you a liar. I gave you Scripture.
You are so caught up in your own little world that you change the Truth to a lie, and a lie to Truth. This is not the Miche I first knew but a different one.
Miche, you didn't mention as Scripture says that faith comes from hearing. It is important to know what Scripture says. If it comes you never had it. If you never had it, you needed it in order to make your confession of faith. The Bible tells us it is a free gift of God. So before you can make your confession of faith, God has to give it to you. You cannot muster up Saving faith with your own free will.
---MarkV. on 9/28/09


We are ALL capable of trust/faith, and believing the word of salvation, which is God talking to us and us hearing HIM. The Spirit DOES strive at this time with ALL men so none would be lost but we still have a choice to follow HIM or another. We all must choose who we will serve sooner or later.
We must obey but one command of the Lord, that is, Believe on HIM who HE has sent.
---duane on 9/28/09


Miche, You said,
"This is how God works- God speaks the truth, you here it and believe what he says, therefore having faith."
You didn't mention that faith comes from hearing. - markv,

Thank you for calling me a liar right here because I said faith comes from hearing.

"Yet many hear it and faith does not come to them."
Markv, faith doesn't come because they don't believe what they are hearing.
Markv, faith comes from hearing and believing what God says and being fed up with lies of the enemy.
You may want to recheck your doctrine again, stop accusing people and realize that salvation is a choice. You accept God's gift or you don't. And stop your false accusations.
---miche3754 on 9/27/09


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Miche 2:
Faith comes to the believer as a gift from God. It is not something that individuals are capable of mustering up on their own. Were faith a work of man's own doing, man would be in a position to take credit for his redemption. It a gift, of God, "that no one should boast" Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith. "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied" The unbeliever, by virtue of the regeneratioon work of the Holy Spirit, recognizes his or her dire need of nourishment and refreshment and comes to Jesus begging that He fill the need.
---MarkV. on 9/27/09


Donna,
Just because a man does good works and obeys what he is told, does not mean he has faith. A slave can do work and obey but yet still hate his master. There is no evidence of faith in obedience or works. Let the Lord be the Judge. Only God knows a mans heart. The only evidence of faith I can think of is the fruit of our faith. What fruit do we bear? We are the branches, let Christ(vine) produce fruit(work) through us. Lets abide in HIM.
---duane on 9/27/09


Miche, You said,
"This is how God works- God speaks the truth, you here it and believe what he says, therefore having faith."
You didn't mention that faith comes from hearing. Yet many hear it and faith does not come to them. And if it comes, that means they didn't have it to begin with. Jesus says, "He is the Author and finisher of our faith." So if it comes it has to come from Christ, right? Yet to the others faith did not come.
Paul speaking to the Galatian believers, "But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law. Kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed."
---MarkV. on 9/27/09


---kathr4453...
Works and obedience are the EVIDENCE of faith, not an addition to faith. There is a difference there.
---Donna66 on 9/26/09


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Kathr I had no intention of twisting your words. I was not sure what you meant and was attempting to clarify the issue.

It did seem you were confusing faith (the gift from God) by which ask for forgiveness, and works, the acts God calls the faithful saved to do for Him.

Maybe I misunderstood.
---Warwick on 9/26/09


We can do good works towards mankind because we believe in (faith)towards mankind. That faith is not saving faith because its not towards GOD. We are saved through faith in Christ and only the good works of our faith in HIM ARE COUNTED as good works before GOD.

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
---duane on 9/26/09


Then for those who are saved there are works to do but these works do not save. Works are what those who love the Lord, do, post salvation. If we can earn our salvation by good works then Jesus' sacrifice was to no avail. Surely not!
---Warwick on 9/25/09
Warwick and MarkV, The BLOG question is

What way does faith differ from works....

Now if BOTH of you were paying attention, The question does not ask about SALVATION, AND if MarkV was paying attention he knows we are saved by FAITH in CHRIST'S WORKS...not ours.

I in no way said we can earn our salvation by good works.

SHAME on both of you for twisting my words.

However Warwick and MarkV, Faith without OBEDIENCE is dead.
---kathr4453 on 9/26/09


Markv, Kath is right and you are wrong.
Faith comes from believing and believing comes from the word of God.
This is just something you don't get do you?
Man does not have faith BECAUSE they don't believe the word of God.
This is how God works- God speaks the truth, you here it and believe what he says, therefore having faith. Then the Holy Spirit comes and teaches you the things of God causing you to walk according to HIS will, causing you to do the works GOD wants you to do.
That is how it works. God doesn't make you a new vessel until you you believe his word, come to Christ, then the Holy Spirit comes to live in you.
The Holy Spirit comes to people through Gods word.
That is how Abraham believed! BY Gods word!
---miche3754 on 9/26/09


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Warwick, your correct. What Kathr fails to see is that works does not save anyone. I say this because she stated,
"You cannot have works without faith..because it is the works OF FAITH we walk in."
There is many people out there doing great deeds, helping the poor, always giving to others, expressing their kind of love to mankind, but they don't have True saving Faith in Christ. As we know that everything good comes from above, those doing those good deeds don't realize that, because they don't have faith.
That's why their works do not save them. It is Saving faith, that faith that God gives the new believer, where he acknowledges, because of that saving faith, that it is the Holy Spirit who is working through him,
---MarkV. on 9/26/09


calhoon, many devoid of light refuse the light, and in their foolishness they oppose the light onto their own destruction.
---Eloy on 9/26/09


Kathr from Scripture and what some write here I see that it is by Gods grace (His unmerited favour) that we are saved. Sure, it is by faith that we ask for forgiveness, but even that faith is a gift.

Then for those who are saved there are works to do but these works do not save. Works are what those who love the Lord, do, post salvation. If we can earn our salvation by good works then Jesus' sacrifice was to no avail. Surely not!
---Warwick on 9/25/09


You cannot have works without faith..because it is the works OF FAITH we walk in.

James uses the word WORKS the way Paul uses Obedience of Faith. When James says works, read carefully what he is saying....isn't he saying obedience.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. BECAUSE Abraham believed God was able to raie him from the dead...Abraham believed God...Obeyed God's Voice, and James says this is Abraham's Works of faith. If Paul were telling the same story Paul would say Obedience of faith.

Works of faith and obedience of faith are the exact same thing. The JUST shall LIVE by faith until Jesus Comes!
---kathr4453 on 9/25/09


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Nana,
If you have no trust/faith, there is no love/mercy/charity in you. If you have one, you have the other.
I think you know better.
---duane on 9/25/09


I really dont understand why there is confusion with works and faith. There is only ONE and that is faithworks. Anything else is just plain wrong. Even a common sinner understands that if you dont work or do anything in good faith, your work is not wanted. Who wants a faithless/trustless worker?
---duane on 9/25/09


Eloy,
You make the most mindless and ignorant statements.
---calhoon on 9/25/09


Here is faith & works together as God planned based upon the post from Eloy(great by the way).
Faith & works says- I believe Christ so I obey and follow him.
I know Christ so I do his will not my own.

Our good works are MOTIVATED by Christ in us. It is Christ working through us that shows his light to a lost and dying world and leads sinners to Christ.
Where before our good works were motivated by ourselves and profited nothing.
---miche3754 on 9/25/09


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duane,
1 Cor 13:13: "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three, but the greatest of these is charity." Charity stands by itself and above faith and hope. The synonym of charity is mercy. Micah 6:7-8: "Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"
The Samaritan, true brother by his (charity/mercy), not by his faith. Those of 'the faith' amounted to nothing in Gods eyes.
---Nana on 9/24/09


Interestingly, Jesus imputed saving faith to love and humility! Luke 7:36-50.Nana

Nana, when Abraham BELIEVED God's Promise and God IMPUTED Righteousness to Abraham....I don't see one thing about Love or humility here???

In reading the Great FAITH Chapter of scripture..Thank you Lord for giving US the definition of faith and these examples...It would appear FAITH is in the person of Jesus Christ from Abel on...all starting with that PROMISE in Genesis 3:15...is the ONLY thing that motivated all those in the Hall of Faith of Heb 11.

Jesus promise of redemption was the substance of things THEY ALL HOPED for and they believed without evidence..without even the Holy Spirit who sheds the Love of God abroad in OUR Hearts.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/09


I disagree with, "You cannot have good works without faith. Faith comes first, then good works follow." Nana

Nana, I believe Scripture states it is FAITH working THROUGH LOVE.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/09


Faith says, "I believe, I know" (Satan and sinners have faith), and works says, "I obey, I do" (Satan and sinners do no works).
---Eloy on 9/24/09


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If I gave someone money(charity) but I didnt give it in good faith, would that be a good thing? Maybe we should be charitable so we can boast? Anything not of faith is sin.
How silly to think otherwise
---duane on 9/24/09


"Actions motivated by love, however, may result in beneficial outcomes for the one engaging in the love and those towards whom the love is directed."
---Jenny_S. on 9/22/09
That is excellent Jenny!
I disagree with, "You cannot have good works without faith. Faith comes first, then good works follow."
Paul said, 1 Cor 13:2: "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."

Interestingly, Jesus imputed saving faith to love and humility! Luke 7:36-50.
Even in the story with the Centurion, love and humility are there too.
---Nana on 9/24/09


Leslie,

You cannot have good works without faith. Faith comes first, then good works follow.
Your works produce nothing. BUT, faith produces all good works of God always.
---duane on 9/1/09

Absolutely duane. and this is exactly what James teaches.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/09


If faith is an assertion that a statement is true whether one knows it is true or not, that faith is, at best, worthless.

Such faith can even be quite detrimental to spiritual growth, as it may prevent someone from seeking to find the truth about a given matter, as they may claim falsely that they already have the truth.

Actions motivated by love, however, may result in beneficial outcomes for the one engaging in the love and those towards whom the love is directed.

One would do well to emphasize and further manifest dynamic love.
---Jenny_S. on 9/22/09


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WOW! Awesome words nana, samuel, donna. Just awesome!
They also back up what Jesus says- "Whosoever will, let them come"
Jesus DID NOT say God picked a few and the rest are left and sent to hell with no chance of salvation.
---miche3754 on 9/22/09


Interesting order there samuel...
John the Baptist, in preparing the people to receive the Lord said, "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance", Luke 3:8. even good fruit!,
mercy, kindness and justice, Luke 3:9-14.

Jesus said, Matthew 9:13: "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Also look at this order:
Isaiah 1:10-20, with special attention to verses 16 and 17, the which come before having audience with the Lord, verse 18.
---Nana on 9/22/09


Good word, Samuel! God doesn't just give us
"rules". He gives us a new heart!
---Donna66 on 9/21/09


Let us get this in the right order.

Faith coming by hearing the word of GOD. Then because you Love GOD you do not wish to hurt or disobey HIM. Because you love GOD you learn to love others and do not wish to hurt them.

We are saved by GRACE alone. But Grace results in loving deeds or works. But if there is no love some can do some good deeds for other reasons. But love is the reason why we obey GOD and His commandments.
---Samuel on 9/21/09


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It depends on what kind of relationship you want to have with The Lord ("more excellent" devotion so you can "enter by the door", or do you want to be a 'climbing sheep'?, John 10:1).

All who will "enter by the door" must have a "faith FOR FAITH" (Romans 1:17) and also believe that God will reward those who wish to "draw near" with His "depths"/secrets (1 Corinthians 2:10).

On the cross, JESUS did all the "works" that must be done (we only need to let them be manifested in us by trusting that they are completely sufficient for us, John 6:28 and 9:3)...REST/relax INside of Jesus's body...which is OUR sabbath rest.

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 9/19/09


FRANK---German scripture writers didn't remove James epistle or his "faith without works is dead" comment because they saw that there is no contradiction with the truth that "by faith are ye saved" and "the just shall live by faith".

If scriptures appear to contradict, you should first assume that YOU do not understand something clearly.

I'm not sure why you assume that the Gospel writers were protected from error, bur other NT writers were not. What is your basis for this belief? The books of the NT (and OT) where NOT chosen at random. They were chosen my mature Christians who recognized, in their spirits, the inspired nature of these writings. Generations of Christians can testify to this as well.
---Donna66 on 9/7/09


As was stated in the blog above the writer states that old adage "Sola Scriptura." If that is the case why didm't German scripture scholars remove the Epistle of St. James ? St. James clearly states that Faith without good works is dead. In the NRSV Bible almost all of the Jerusalem Bible sections are the same. Even 1st. and 2nd Maccabbees are included. When the four evangalists wrote the Gospels those writers were protected by God from error. Modern Biblical scholars or even Early Christian Scholars are not. I hope this blog leaves the reader something to think about.
St. Thomas Aquinas
---Frank on 9/7/09


Good works are easy. Even non-Christians do good works. Christians do them out of faith, ..or for praise, ego or self-rightousness. See how God looks at good works.

1 Corinthians 3:11-13 (New American Standard Bible)

11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,

13 each man's work will become evident, for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work.
---Donna66 on 9/1/09


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Leslie,

You cannot have good works without faith. Faith comes first, then good works follow.
Your works produce nothing. BUT, faith produces all good works of God always.
---duane on 9/1/09


Great faith can move mountains, great faith can heal the sick. Now tell me who is doing the good works? Is it you? or God working through you, through faith? It comes down to this, its not your flesh works, its Gods works. So dont be so prideful.
Great faith will make you do things that would be impossible for most.
We will all be judged by works, so be sure its through faith in HIM.
---duane on 9/1/09


The Bible says that Faith WITHOUT Works is DEAD. You can NOT have faith without works.
---Leslie on 9/1/09


In many ways faith differs from works. In order to do works, you gotta have faith.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Where is works mentioned here? No where, right?

I once heard Jerry Savelle say that his bible says, Faith worketh. LOL

So when my friend says she doesn't want to work, I tell her, "Faith Worketh."
---anon on 8/31/09


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Works is faith in action. Any other kind of works is as filthy rags to the Lord.
Faith produces works, but works can never produce faith. So if we have faith, we WILL have great and wonderful works pleasing unto God. Faith and works are ONE.
Jesus said, the works we should do is, to believe on HIM(faith) who HE has sent.
... HE wants your faith/trust...
---duane on 8/31/09


According to Holy Scriptures, faith is connected to works. They can never be separated.

"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love." (Saint Paul, Gal 5:6).

"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? [.....] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works [....]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (St. James 14, 17, 24).

In IC.XC,
---Ignatius on 8/30/09


Many people have an abundance of good works, but have no faith in God, no understanding of salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ. They think that surely they will get credit, from God, for their good works

There are some who have a little faith, a dawning awareness of Jesus, but no real commitment to Him. They may or may not have good works.

Then there are some who have had their hearts and lives changed by the living Savior and commune with Him many times a day. Almost unconsciously, they produce fruit that is pleasing to the Lord. They are not much interested in judging "works", their own or those of others. It is simply that He is the vine. They are the branches
---Donna66 on 8/30/09


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