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Martial Law Declared In USA

Do you believe martial law will be declared in the United States within the next three years?

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The old testament has many examples of tort law that sometimes required payment in kind (for example "a life for a life") but more often, payment was double, triple, or even more. Double and triple payments are not compensatory - rather, they are punitive. One could argue that punitive damages are a fundamentally flawed concept, but then one would be arguing that the law of Moses was mistaken as well.
---StrongAxe on 9/20/09


Are you saying that because pain and suffering cannot be compensated by a monetary damage, that those who suffer such things just be forced to live with them without compensation?

That's like saying that if I broke your irreplaceable family heirloom, and since nothing I can will replace it, then I should get away with doing so and you should get nothing - which is hardly fair.
---StrongAxe on 9/19/09

Donna ... I agree with you. For all sorts of reasons people are unhappy, or unmated, or have no children or companionship.

I currently don,t have a mate, and I miss that very much ... but compensation ... no, that's not on!

Compensation should be limited to loss or earning power, or in the case where the cost of living is increased by an injury, that extra cash burden should be compensated.

But behind all this is the need to balance the ability of society to pay this!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/19/09

OK Mima, What is going on with you? I read many of your blogs and your questions border on the side of paranoia.
---BB on 9/19/09

Strongaxe --
If a person suffers the kind of illness or damage that will affect his future ability to earn a living, the court assigns calculated monetary damages for this, in addition to the cost of whatever caregiving he will need. These things have an actual MONETARY value.

BUT, deserving or not, NO amount of money can compensate for lost sleep or pain...or inability to drive a car..or inability to find a mate, procreate, raise children etc etc. etc. Awards for THESE things do not COMPENSATE... yet they are paid for by future patients who are innocent of wrongdoing.
---Donna66 on 9/18/09

Strongaxe--- (this may be a repeat...not sure if I posted my reply already or not)

The thing about awards for "future" wages is that as least it can be given a MONETARY value, along with future needs for care-giving.

There is NO compensation, no matter how well deserved, that can make up for pain, loss of sleep, loss of ability to drive, inability to engage in sports, find a mate, procreate, raise children etc etc. No amount of money truly COMPENSATES for these, yet if awarded, it is paid for by future patients who are innocent of wrongdoing.
---Donna66 on 9/18/09


While it may be easy to quantify the losses of time spent earning actual wages, how about time spent not actually earning wages? Is that time worthless because it doesn't have a dollar amount associated with it? While someone who works 8 hours a day and then has to immediately go to sleep for 12 hours due to an injury earns the same as an uninjured person, his quality of life (and that of those around him) certainly suffer, and that is the fault of the one who caused the accident. Shouldn't they be compensated for that?

Unfortunately, bleeding heart juries who award disproportionate awards sour public opinion towards more legitimate awards.
---StrongAxe on 9/18/09

NurseRobert -- Tort reform would LIMIT certain powers of the court where malpractice is concerned.

Actually, what I'd like to see is a program to determine malpractice liability entirely outside the court system.
Ireland set up special panels (composed of both health professionals and lay people) to hear complaints of malpractice. It seems to work well. The panel has the power of law in their decisions and the awards they make. BUT it eliminates LEGAL FEES.(decreasing the cost of malpractice insurance, consequently medical bills)

The only people I can think of, who might object, would be trial lawyers, who could probably, with a little effort, find other types of clients.
---Donna66 on 9/17/09

yes Donna, thanks for agreeing with me, health care can't be done cheaply.
Its congress not the president who has been lying.
President Obama may pledge not to raise taxes, as Daddy Bush did, but its Congress who raises taxes and its Congressional committees that have proposed health care reform. The five proposals are being wittled down to one for conferees. The plans have the presidents name but he is the author of none. This is how bills work.

The last congress under "Dubya" passed Medicare Part B, a trillion dollars, and made no claims to have any way to pay for it. The town hallers were quiet as church mice but now we have "born again" defict hawks?
Phooey on both Dems and Repubs.
---larry on 9/17/09

Strongaxe--Monetary damages INCLUDE the income of which a person may be deprived in the future (according to all reasonable expectation).

The compensation I feel should be eliminated is what "pays" for things that have no monetary value..."pain and suffering" or "punitive damages" (punitive damages punish no one but future medical consumers).

Eliminating these from law suits drastically decreases the cost of medical malpractice insurance, which may cost a physician hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Exorbitant malpractice may even prevent him from practicing a specialty in which he has trained.
Tort reform in Texas has decreased the cost of care and attracted more doctors to the state.
---Donna66 on 9/17/09

>>>We're stuck between higher taxes or $600 monthly deductibles for each and every member of our family.<<<< This is pretty much true. And no proposed plan yet has found away around it.

Since Obama has promised not to raise taxes on the middle class, his plan proposes, instead, to impose various penalties and fees upon insurance companies. This, of course, solves nothing because the cost will be passed on to consumers...most likely in higher premiums.

There is no way to provide good quality care to an increased number of people without paying more.
---Donna66 on 9/17/09

It doesn't matter if martial law is declared, or if the Antichrist appears, or anything of the sort. If you are in Christ, you will come out the other side still in Christ. Jesus told us not to worry, so let's not.
---mugwump on 9/17/09

Tort reform, i.e. ....... etc..
---Donna66 on 9/16/09

I love how people scream for the federal government to stay out of our lives, but then cry out for "tort reform"
---NurseRobert on 9/17/09


While I agree the US legal system in the often awards ridiculous damages, there is a good reason for "pain and suffering" awards. If an accident and pain makes it difficult or impossible for someone to function effectively, that is real damage which should be compensated. Unfortunately, it's impossible to quantify what a person "would have accomplished" in the future had the pain not been there. Hence, punitive and compensatory damages.

My friend was beaten by bullies in school and got a concussion, and now suffers severe migraines making it impossible for him to work, and is now on permanent disability. How much is the inability to ever have a rewarding career worth? Hopefully more than nothing.
---StrongAxe on 9/17/09

I think that first in the political realm that there will be an attempt to quell desent and when that doesn't work then there will be martial law. The process while having taken almost 2000 years is starting to accelerate, so the answer is yes. Fill your lamps with oil and trim the wicks. Steve
---steve on 9/17/09

Strongaxe- I admire your ability with figures, but don't know how less than 50% disatisfaction with a system "warrents government involvement". If, by that, you means some laws should be changed,I agree.

If insurance companies were not limited to selling in just a few states apiece...prices,services, number of choices, would improve and portability would be possible.(public option would not help).

Tort reform, i.e. limiting judgements to actual damages (not "pain and suffering"), has been shown to lower doctor bills. We could even decide cases as in Ireland, by a lay/professional panel instead of the courts.
Then covering the uninsured might be affordable.
---Donna66 on 9/16/09

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No there won't be martial law within three years but there will be a major crisis in health care within three years if we do nothing.
I am befuddled as to why folks who oppose reform or government intervention don't understand the day where your full-time employer won't offer health insurance IS coming.
Even as a Christian, if you care nothing for those who don't have insurance you're already and will pay more for those who use the ER for basic health care.
Either we pay a ton of money collectively or individually.
We're stuck between higher taxes or $600 monthly deductibles for each and every member of our family. Conservatives and liberals have their head in the sand avoiding the expensive truth.
---larry on 9/16/09


Sorry, my mistake. Donna66 used the word "happy", not you.


That is 80% "of insured" who are happy with their insurance. Since about 1/3 of people have private insurance, this means around 53% of the population has private insurance and is happy with it (while around 13% have private insurance and aren't happy). Presumably 80% of the 16% on government insurance (or 13%) are happy with it while 3% aren't (and 16% aren't insured at all, they aren't included in your 80% statistics).

So 47% of the population either 1) has private insurance but is unhappy about it, 2) have no insurance, or 3) is happy with government insurance - all three of which warrant government involvement.
---StrongAxe on 9/15/09

I'm the "guilty" one who cited the finding that 80% of the insured are "happy" with their coverage. This was from a poll taken earlier this year. "Satisfied" might be a better word, but either way it sounds to me like the system is not in need of a complete overhaul.

I believe we can make reforms that will specifically do what we need. 1.lower the price of health care 2. Encourage the BEST of heath care and 3. make health insurance affordable to everyone in a portable form.

I believe this is best accomplished by putting free market principles to use.
---Donna66 on 9/15/09

StrongAxe, I don't recall ever writing that 80% are happy with what they have. You must be thinking of someone else.

Since you are fixated on whether or not people are happy, I would bet that a majority of people aren't happy with the amount of taxes they are forced to pay. I'll bet that a majority of people aren't happy with what is done with their tax money. Let's see the government work on those issues. Not healthcare where they have no business in the first place.

If the government really wants people to be happy they can start by simply getting out of our lives and leaving everybody alone.
---ralph7477 on 9/15/09

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Most people ARE insured (the majority paying only part of their premium because their employer pays the rest). Socialized medicine does NOT insure that everyone gets "good" health care and no hassle!? Are you kidding--government qualifications, waiting lists, cancelled surgeries---our present type of care delivery is straight forward and many times faster and less complicated.
---Donna66 on 9/15/09

Strongaxe --- 80% of insured say they are satisfied with their helath care...that's in 2009. (never will be 100%)
Yes, a great many uninsured are young people. Many of these forego insurance to spend their money on more "fun" things, since they are healthy and "invincible" (they think).
You don't mention people whose health forces early retirement and loss of their employee benefits BEFORE being eligible for medicare. This population IS in a bind because due to age and pre-existing conditions they can not find affordable private insurance.

There are problems that can be fixed without turning to mass-produced government managed care....but, Obama's claim to the contrary, this administation isn't listening.
---Donna66 on 9/15/09

I know of very few that can afford health insurance on their own. Its the wrong way to go. We need socialized medicine. It should be we the people helping we the people. We need taxes to do a good thing. EVERYONE gets good health care with no hassle.
---calhoon on 9/15/09


I was referring specifically to "happy about the state of their health insurance". Remember, YOU were the one who first mentioned the word "happy" when you said "80% are happy with what they have". If we have a health insurance system where half the people are happy with it (and half of them aren't), it means it severely needs improvement.
---StrongAxe on 9/15/09

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StrongAxe, I have to say that is one of the most juvenile posts I have read in a long time.

So now the government is in the business of making sure that people are "happy"? Oh please. You could have the best program in the world and people would still find things to complain about.

And speaking of systems, health care is not a "system", not yet anyway. There is no healthcare system. Just like there is no auto repair system or no home building and repair system.
---ralph7477 on 9/15/09


I just saw the government report on the insurance and poverty. In 2008, 85% had insurance, 66% had private. So of every 6 people, 4 had private, 1 had government, and 1 had none. The numbers of uninsured are highest in the 18-24 range (around 26-29%), dropping slowly with higher ages. The report says nothing about satisfaction, but if 80% of insured are happy, this means only around 68% are happy, and only around 53% are happy with private insurance (leaving government to take up the slack for the other 47%). A situation that works well for only about half the people needs to be severely overhauled - would you be happy with any system that works well for all men but not women, or all women but not men? Those are also about 50%.
---StrongAxe on 9/14/09

Hmmm...kind of see Calhoun's point about using taxes to kill people, if we would EVER bring our soldiers home where they belong, just imagine the money that could be used for soooo many good things!
---Mary on 9/11/09

Calhoon --- Where did you get the idea that MOST in this country can't afford to get insurance. MOST in this country HAVE insurance and polls say 80% are happy with what they have.
Of course, insurance companies are in business to make money! Don't insurance people need to make a living? They work hard like everybody else..and pay taxes like everybody else.

We can do better than we are now...make some reforms to insurance (mainly relying on competetion with each other). We can provide medical care for those who can't afford it.

But we live in a real dollars and cents world. We have no limitless well of money. There is no utopia.
---Donna66 on 9/11/09

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The question sounds like some of the "scare them into buying my products" garbage from Jim Bakker, who also believes we will be in full-fledged food riots by 2011. His solution is hocking powdered meals which is much more profitable than preaching fasting, prayer and faith.
Worse than a lie is the perversion of the truth.

God does not assign mission without provision.
---larry on 9/11/09

Martial law is most likely to be declared after another Katrina not due to the current political situation. Most of our recent riots have been in urban centers where voters tend to be liberal.
Its the far right wing nuts who are now furious and conservatives usually don't choose corporate violence so I can't see martial law being imposed.
The far right is much more likely to resort to individual violence (Oklahoma City) or assassination which is bred in these Satanic anti-government groups.
Since the Bush administration pushed through nearly 3 trillion of unfunded mandates and the righties were silent as church mice this anger really has nothing to do with large government. It's personal.
---larry on 9/11/09

Yeah, food should be free too, paid for by taxes. Why should only rich people get to eat good food?
---ralph7477 on 9/11/09

I believe health care is a right in this country of wealth. Insurance companies are in it to make money and most cant afford or get health insurance. Its a sad day in this country when people cant get the meds or care they need because of no money.
Like I said, spend tax dollars to care for the people and not for other foolishness.
---calhoon on 9/11/09

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calhoon -- How about taxes being used ONLY for those who cannot afford health care?

Right now most people choose and pay for the insurance they want. There needs to be reform in the insurance industry, but a few changes in the law could do this.

Why overhaul the whole engine, when changing a few spark plugs would fix things?
---Donna66 on 9/11/09

I believe health care should be free, paid for by taxes. Seems we only use taxes to kill people.
Why should only rich people get good health care?
---calhoon on 9/11/09

Look who Obama surrounds himself with. Radicals. One believes in forced abortions, your pet can sue you no hunting or eating meat. The health care bill is not to improve health care but government control. Cap and trade to kill Americas coal production and raise your power bill sky high. They want us to go back to living in the stone age.
---Pastor_Herb on 9/11/09

Court said. The President can declare martial law when circumstances warrant: When the civil authority cannot operate, then martial law is not only constitutional, but would be necessary: "If, in foreign invasion or civil war, the courts are actually closed, and it is impossible to administer criminal justice according to law, then, on the theatre of active military operations, where war prevails, there is a necessity to furnish a substitute for the civil authority, thus overthrown, to preserve the safety of the army and society, and as no power is left but the military, it is allowed to govern by martial rule until the laws can have their free course. As necessity creates the rule, so it is confined to the locality of actual war."
---kevin on 9/11/09

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"Can you cite the exact Constitutional provison that forbids this, Donna? I've actually found no reference to either insurance (except for a passing reference in the Preamble) or auto companies in my copy."

Does your copy include Amendment 10?-
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The fact that you admit that the Constitution makes no references to either insurance or auto companies legitimizes Donna's statement quite nicely.
---ralph7477 on 9/10/09

\\He has already taken control of Insurance and Auto Companies contrary to the Constitution.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09\\

Can you cite the exact Constitutional provison that forbids this, Donna?

I've actually found no reference to either insurance (except for a passing reference in the Preamble) or auto companies in my copy.
---Cluny on 9/9/09

If you say so Donna. Take care, God bless! :)
---Leon on 9/4/09

Mike- Bush was reacting (you will say over-reacting) to 9-11. Obama is the one who wants to "re-make" the country. He has already taken control of Insurance and Auto Companies contrary to the Constitution.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

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Leon, I didn't understand what you meant about the FBI (I think you left out a word).

From what I know of the "hate-groups" you mention. they are paranoid toward the government and in a perpetual defensive mode. If they fight, it will be (in their eyes) to protect themselves and their families from the government. Not to take over... they have no unifying political ideology that I can discern..

I think we are down-playing the threat of foreign terror cells within and without the US. I have no assurance another 9-11 type event isn't on the way. I don't think Obama is helping.
You and I share concern for potential dangers to "we the people"...guess we'll always disagree on the source of the greatest threat.
---Donna66 on 9/4/09

the US was nearly ruled by a dictator during the 8 years of BUSH.

we were under surveillance thanks to his illegal wiretaps in the name of protecting from the terrorist

he (bush) has its own interpretation of the law.
---mike on 9/4/09

"...there are some hate-based militaristic groups...I don't see how they pose a grave threat to the United States."

Yes Donna, hate groups are in the U.S. In my opinion they want to undermine civil order & cause social unrest (caous) in efforts to carry out their twisted plans.

I disagree with you & think the FBI, etc., may also regarding the grave threat posed by domestic & foreign hate groups within the U.S. Downplaying the seriousness of the threat they pose to "we the people" of the United States is a big mistake.

"Assault weapon": I mean those weapons used for the sole purpose of intentionally killing human beings -- not deer, squirrel, rabbits, quail, etc. :)
---Leon on 9/3/09

I guess I just wasn't sure what you meant about "home-grown terrorist & subversive assault weapon toting, hate filled religious anarchist neo-nutsies". These stereotypes have often been applied to people who have done nothing more than disagree with present administration.

We all know there are some hate-based militaristic groups,but they are a small fringe-- I don't see how they pose a grave threat to the United States.

And as you probably know, (being a Texan) some definitions of "assault weapon" includes even the fire arms ranchers and hunters use to kill rabbits or praire dogs...not exactly uzis and AK47's!
---Donna66 on 9/3/09

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Donna: Please re-read my 9/2 comments. You may come to understand I wasn't talking about law abiding citizens like you :) My comments were directed at lawless robbers, murderers, home invaders, driveby shooters, etc., & the crazy subversive racial groups & gun (assault weapon) toting religious cultist in our "not so polite anymore" society. These are the very real terrorist & neo-nutsies I refer to! :)

I have no problem with citizens hunting animals for food or owning firearms to protect themselves, their loved ones & property. But, people who choose not to see the difference between animals & human beings, & use their weaponry to publicly intimidate & kill others are a BIG PROBLEM!
---Leon on 9/3/09

Thanks Wayne, I found it. Your interpretation of it, though leaves a lot to be desired.

They are NOT worshiping Obama, they are using him as an example of what they can do with their lives. Since when is that wrong?

Furthermore, who made the video? and just how was Obama involved?? I daresay, he wasn't.

More right wing scare tactics.
---NurseRobert on 9/3/09


Unless I missed something, you eventually agreed with me after first disagreeing with me.

We in the USA have been blessed by God with freedom. But without effort, we would not continue to have these freedoms. Effort, work, striving, whatever you want to call it, along with faith in God, integrity and honor, are the things that have made USA great.

I agree, the decade of the 60s has forever corrupted the USA. However, I think that losing our faith in God is the problem, shown by Gal 5:13

"For you were called to freedom, brethren, only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another"

The USA has turned our freedom into an opportunity for the flesh.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/3/09

Google "Obama's brigade"

It's rather funny really. Not at all sinister, just pathetic.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/3/09

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Wayne, what is the title of the video. Ive searched and cant find it..
---NurseRobert on 9/2/09 ......
............Robert, its on world net daily.
its on the aug 31 edition. you probaly can't find it now, but i still have it. if you care to look at it i'll have to email it to you with instructions on how to locate it. it's called Obama's brigade.
---wayne on 9/3/09


And what if it were?

Our lives are hidden with Christ in God.

Why do you post questions that are seemingly designed to stir up strife, mima?
---Cluny on 9/1/09

Thanks Cluny, somewhere that ought to be engraved in bronze.

Listen to the holy spirit Mima and your inquiries will radically change. You'll have an increased burden for the lost and that will affect your future posts.
Right now your too heavily influenced by someone who is preaching conservative ideology clothed in faith. The question suggest you believe martial law will happen and its rooted in fear not confidence in Christ. For the record liberal ideology is no better.
---larry on 9/3/09

Yes. I think that is the only way Obama the Horrible can install himself as Dictator for Life.
---jerry6593 on 9/3/09

No,I don't think so.
---shirley on 9/3/09

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no,the idea of the usa,is the people governing lincoln said in his gettysburg address,that government of the people,by the people,for the people.The government deriving its just powers from the conscent of the people.
---tom2 on 9/2/09

Leon--Wait! Just because one has a gun, means they don't trust God? It may mean they don't always trust their fellow man. Where I live it may mean they supplement their diet with that healthy lean meat, venison.

My ancestors have carried a gun for 200 years. I don't "hate" anybody, I am law- abiding citizen. I think the government has too much power and I will so so, but I don't want anarchy!
If you knew me, you'd think the label "terrorist" quite laughable if applied to me (unless my looks are that scary)

I think you are paranoid!
---Donna on 9/2/09

" any declaration of war the USA is automatically under martial law." HUH?!!! That only happens in Wayne's world Kevin.

Please give the source of your statement. Thanks. :)
---Leon on 9/2/09

Leon: A huge "Amen" to your reply to Mima. It is statements like his that cause me to have to defend myself with unbelievers. I would rather converse with my unsaved friends than some believers, like Mima.
---Trish9863 on 9/2/09

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Wake up people!
we have been under martial law since Ladybird Johnson declared war on illiteracy,
at any declaration of war the USA is automatically under martial law.
---kevin on 9/2/09

"BHO is not a Christian..." What?! Who died & made you god Mima that you would dare think you can judge the heart of another man? It's because of self-righteous people like you that many other people aren't Christian. You need to repent & maybe even get saved.
---Leon on 9/2/09


>>>The USA was built on one The striving is what made us great<<<

Not exactly!
The USA was built on individual freedom and responsibility. Americans worked hard to maintain their INDEPENDENCE.

But since the 1960's people have been gradually propagandized to believe, not just that the ill and disadvantaged should get help, but that every hardship makes them a helpless "victim" ,and as such, the federal government is obligated to rescue them..

They learned that the "rich" acquired their riches by evil deeds, not hard work, and selfishly would not share with those who were poor and honest

Always seeking something for nothing...THIS IS GREED..
---Donna66 on 9/2/09

BHO is not a Christian. The Bible says let the redeemed of the Lord say-so. When given the chance to say-so BHO refuses to say that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. In fact he repudiates that by saying there are many ways of getting to heaven.
Regardless of whatever else this man is he certainly is playing a pivotal role in history. Placed in that role by Almighty God himself perhaps he is the whip of judgment on the back of the USA!!!!
---mima on 9/2/09

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Do you Mima? If so, why?

The only way the U.S. can be destroyed isn't from without, but from within by lawless home-grown terrorist & subversive assault weapon toting, hate filled religious anarchist neo-nutsies. The latter's irrational fears have driven them to an unholy trust in "gun", not God!

Martial law could happen "some day", in case of a national emergency, to protect & preserve good order "for all law abiding citizens". Why do you think we have a national military, reserve military, ANG, etc.? Those of us who've served in the U.S. military took an oath to defend our nation, "against all enemies, foreign & DOMESTIC."

---Leon on 9/2/09

Wayne, what is the title of the video. Ive searched and cant find it..
---NurseRobert on 9/2/09

Wayne: In your worldview, do you suppose it's really true?
---Leon on 9/2/09

I just saw a post on utube where 15 young boys were marching and worshiping BHO. they seemed to well rehearsed. wearing combat clothes. i wonder how many more are doing this. I know that BHO knows this is going on and he being a "christian" should denounce this. The young people are being deceived.
---wayne on 9/2/09

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Tea anyone?

Mima, you are stirring up trouble.

I normally avoid these subjects because believers are way TOO involved with politics. If only they would read their Bibles as much as they watch Fox News.

I am fearful that our freedoms are eroding, but not the way most think.

The USA was built on one The striving is what made us great.

We are losing our freedoms to GREED. We no longer strive because we HAVE. Greed has made the USA weak, made us argue among ourselves, made us lazy, made us hate other countries, all for the love of money.

We complain about the bailouts because we want that money for ourselves. We live in bigger and bigger mansions but complain about improving heathcare.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/2/09

by strict definition martial law has not been invoked fully.the citizens would be tried by a military court if this were the case.When president lincoln was assasinated the military trial held,atleast in my opinion was illegal,but remember while america is a grand idea,not all rights have been equal to all people,maybe by words,and even by mouth,but by the heart,nope.
---tom2 on 9/2/09

>>>>>so why does BHO want a civilian task force the size of the military?<<<<

I know, Wayne, it sounds scary!

But I don't think he can pull it off. How will he raise the money to support it?...will he get it from taxpayers? How will he get that many to enlist? Most people just want to get back to work and make some money...not join some Americorps type effort.

I think it's wishful thinking on his part and I think he's scared that he's losing his grip...because he is. (it sounds like a desperate measure, doesn't it)

I think he's scared because people are getting frustrated and he's losing support. Ordinary Americans are defying his efforts to ram legislation down our throats. And that's a good sign.
---Donna66 on 9/1/09

What is sad is to see professing Christians becoming paranoid so easily. Where is their faith?
---SusieB on 9/1/09

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There are enough RED FLAGS flying around this adnim, BHO and his cronie thugs to cover the state of Texas. There's only one news source that has the guts to stand up and tell the truth. We need a leader that won't go bow down the the muslims and portray America as the villian.
I hope our congresss has the back bone to do what they did in Honduras if worse comes to worse.
---wayne on 9/1/09

"Our freedom is better than what the world can take away."

So, if we are worrying about the freedoms that people can take away, instead of enjoying the freedom we have with You, that's paranoia (o:
Our attention belongs with You, LORD our Father.

When these things begin to happen, Jesus said look ^u^p^. So, this is where we need to be looking > up ^ ^ ^ (o:
Or we are taking our own freedom away.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/1/09

so why does BHO want a civilian task force the size of the military? and quote "just as strong as the military." end quote. all under his command. I'm not sure if thats all his idea or not. But somebody is planning on a change. I smell a rat.
---wayne on 9/1/09

Rhonda -- Martial law has been available for years, not just since the patriot act. I half-way expected it to be used in the days following 9-11. It was used toward the end of the Civil War and has been used locally (which was actually it's intent) several times since then.

You have a vivid imagination.

Yes, a lot of our troops will remain on active duty when they come home ...they always do! But, I think you overestimate their susceptibility to be manipulated. Military men and women are American citizens too... just like you and me.

(I have a legal registered 0.38 handgun for my own protection.
If someone wants to try to pry it out of my hand, they do so at their own risk.)
---Donna66 on 9/1/09

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The 14th Amendment removed the freedom of US citizens ...freedom here in US is a GRAND illusion

And just where does it say this in the Amendment?

The Patriot Act allows martial law to be established and will be USED internally

And you base this on what?

NOTICE troops will be home be end of next year, or year after 2012? ...when they come home they will REMAIN active and the US military will be USED AGAINST the citizens of US to be taken INTO slavery by their OWN government

Oh really. Who told you this? Glenn Beck?

you're becoming paranoid again, Rhonda..
---NurseRobert on 9/1/09

...freedom here in US is a GRAND illusion.
Rhonda 9/1/09

I take great exception to this! I worry constantly about losing our freedoms (which is one reason I question the present adm.)

BUT we have RIGHT NOW, freedoms that the rest of the world can only imagine! (or can't imagine because they have never had them) Believe me, I've been around the world, on every continent. Citizens of EVEN the most advanced nations do not enjoy the freedoms that we take for granted!!!
---Donna66 on 9/1/09

The 14th Amendment removed the freedom of US citizens ...freedom here in US is a GRAND illusion

The Patriot Act allows martial law to be established and will be USED internally

NOTICE troops will be home be end of next year, or year after 2012? ...when they come home they will REMAIN active and the US military will be USED AGAINST the citizens of US to be taken INTO slavery by their OWN government

once it becomes illegal to own firearms the end of US is VERY NEAR
---Rhonda on 9/1/09

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