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Burn In Hell For Eternity

Do you believe that God will burn people in Hell for all eternity? That seems like cruel and unusual punishment.

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no...the doctrine of the burning hell or eternity if false. Hell means death. All the verses or Word Hell in the scriptures...supported that death means death, grave or pit. Once a person die it is execution of his sins. Thanks
---rosalie on 9/19/09


Gordon Mark 9:43-48 describes Valley of Hinnon ...gehenna translated hell ...city dump of Jerusalem trash was fuel continuously kept fire burning ...Christ described hell-fire "never shall be quenched" Neh 11:30, 2Kings 23:10, Jer 19:6, Ecc 3:20, Isa 66:24 (millennium fire) ...bodies of criminals thrown in dump stuck on ledges never burned up or consumed by fire instead eaten by maggots

death as "type of living" antichrist to Gods Word states dead know nothing not even God their thoughts perish bodies returns to ashes ...confirmed in John 3:36

pagans believe in immortality Dante's hell-fire IGNORES this PLAIN TRUTH from scripture ...counterfeit christian ministers follow traditions of men NOT Word of God
---Rhonda on 9/19/09


"And I live in Middle Earth."
---Cluny on 9/18/09

Now that explains a lot!
---jerry6593 on 9/19/09


Cluny, the term Aionios means "abiding for one or more eons." it is rooted in the term Aion, which means Eon, that is, a long period of time. It can't mean eternal, as eternity is timeless. To the best of my knowledge, the word Atelos does not appear in the New Testament.
---mugwump on 9/18/09


\\Cluny ...I believe Jerry answered your question to me ...if you follow the blog along you see that often

and like I said your reasoning of changing the direction of the topic is your reasoning for not answering ..\\

In other words, Rhonda, you know nothing of Biblical Greek, and the implications of the word "aionos."
---Cluny on 9/18/09




Gordon I didn't ignore your posts I didn't see it until this post ...I don't post here for a living it is in my free time after household and children give me a day or two and I'll respond if you are still interested

Cluny ...I believe Jerry answered your question to me ...if you follow the blog along you see that often

and like I said your reasoning of changing the direction of the topic is your reasoning for not answering ...YET another detour to avoid and evade the truth in John 3:36 ...you don't speak Greek you recite prayers in Greek yet you claim God understands all languages ...rather than confront truth from John 3:36 and apply scripture you create spin away from the topic ...funny you are blind to the obvious
---Rhonda on 9/18/09


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I notice you didn't actually answer my questions, Cluny.

Why do you pray in Greek? Do you live in Greece? Do you think God understands Greek better than English?
---jerry6593 on 9/18/09\\

Since I'm Orthodox, it stands to reason that I would say some of the prayers in the oldest liturgical language of Orthodoxy--and the NT itself, for that matter.

Has nothing to do with what language God understands.

And I live in Middle Earth.
---Cluny on 9/18/09


Rhonda, You are free to ignore my posts, but, it seems that your doctrine that you tenaciously hold to IS being challenged, and you can't refute it. The lost inhabitants in Hell and in the future Lake of Fire are and will be tormented day and night forever and ever, just as the Devil will be, for these lost inhabitants have followed stubbornly the same path as the Devil. They shall receive the same fate. Although Satan will suffer the worst torments out of them all. And, though they will all be "alive", they will be experiencing what GOD calls "Death". For "Life" is what GOD calls the Gift that He gives HIS people in Heaven. Your "silence" speaks LOUD and CLEAR.
---Gordon on 9/18/09


MarkV, Well said! Each part of the three-part man, physical body, soul and spirit, dies their own kind of Death. The physical body slowly corrodes with age until it stops functioning and is buried in the earth to turn back into the dust from which it was originally made. Whereas the spirit and soul remain "alive" at Death, but, have lost ALL that was good in life, given to them by GOD. And in the place of all those good things they lost, were replaced with constant torments of various kinds in retribution for their many sins which they refused to repent of while living on Earth. Refusing most of all, that is, the Payment of Blood that YAHUSHUA (JESUS) made for them on the Cross.
---Gordon on 9/18/09


Samuel, Jesus did say, "the wages of sin is death"
It is spiritual death. For God said in Genesis 2:17, " But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die"
To "die" has the basic idea of separation. It can mean, Spiritual separation, and eternal separation. In the moment of their sin, Adam and Eve died spiritually, but because God was merciful they did not die physically until later (5:5). There is no reason given for this prohibition (not eating from the that tree) other than it was for obedience. If you do not believe that the new birth brings spiritual life, then you will never understand death.
---MarkV. on 9/18/09




I notice you didn't actually answer my questions, Cluny.

Why do you pray in Greek? Do you live in Greece? Do you think God understands Greek better than English?
---jerry6593 on 9/18/09


\\The gift of GOD is eternal life. But that means that if we do not get the gift of GOD then we will suffer eternal death. The words are opposite in meaning.\\

"Eternal" (aionos) has a qualitative difference in Greek from "unending" (atelos).
---Cluny on 9/17/09


I do not speak or read Greek. But I have greek dictionaries and can look up words in Greek and Hebrew as well as many kinds of Bibles that Professors who knew greek translated.

IN then Death means dead. Gordan says being dead is still alive. That our soul is alive even when JESUS says it will be dead.

The gift of GOD is eternal life. But that means that if we do not get the gift of GOD then we will suffer eternal death. The words are opposite in meaning.
---Samuel on 9/17/09


Rhonda, Being tormented alive in Hell is not Life. GOD calls the eternal existence in Torments "Death". Just because people in Hell are alive, it doesn't mean they have LIFE. Being alive in torments forever is not Eternal Life. It is Eternal Death. It's an eternal existence without any good thing, without GOD's Merciful Love. Only His Wrath. Because GOD is LOVE, He therefore gets angry. He gets angry at SIN and EVIL that are committed by both man and fallen angels, for it destroys His Creation. His Justice demands that all evil be repaid. Yes, YAHUSHUA "paid the Price", but, that only effects those who actually receive that Payment for themselves. All others who reject it will pay with their own souls throughout Eternity.
---Gordon on 9/17/09


I notice you didn't actually answer my question, Rhonda.

Seems you were complaining about people refusing to answer YOUR direct questions just a few days ago.

So I will repeat mine.

Do you read, speak, or pray in Greek, Rhonda?

A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
---Cluny on 9/16/09


JESUS said the wages of sin is death. Yet many declare it is eternal life in hell. The Greeks taught we have an immortal soul which the gods cannot kill. The Bible says GOD will kill the wicked and we shall walk on their ashes. Malachi.

In Isiah 66 the passage about the worm dieth not that JESUS was quoting speaks of looking at the dead in the fire.

Where are the wicked promised eternal life?
---Samuel on 9/16/09


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"Do you speak or read or pray in Greek, btw?

I do.
---Cluny on 9/15/09 "

Why? Do you live in Greece? Do you think God understands Greek better than English?
---jerry6593 on 9/16/09


In the very meaning of "ainos" as in "zoin aionion" in John 3:16.

Do you speak or read or pray in Greek, btw?

I do.
---Cluny on 9/15/09
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so with your REASONING then God has LIED in John 3:36 ...SHALL NOT LIVE

you see SHALL NOT LIVE would be the same in Greek as in any other language

GET IT

in other words...
....THEY DO NOT LIVE
....HAVE NO LIFE
....they just don't live

no matter how hard you try to IMPLY other scriptures support Dante's Inferno you can NEVER tie back his hell-fire poem to Gods Holy Word in John 3:36

EXACTLY which part of SHALL NOT LIVE do you not comprehend?
---Rhonda on 9/15/09


\\alrighty and exactly WHERE in scripture is this idea?\\

In the very meaning of "ainos" as in "zoin aionion" in John 3:16.

Do you speak or read or pray in Greek, btw?

I do.
---Cluny on 9/15/09


God's Judgment is perfect. When people took God's only sired Son, Jesus Christ, Innocent and Pure and Holy, and they bad-mouthed him and cursed him and manhandled him and crowned him with thorns and mocked him and stripped him and spit on him and beat him and whipped him and then nailed him up on a cross murdering him, what should God do to these people? What would you do if people did this to your only son? Would you wrongly congratulate the guilty and say, Well done you good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your Lord? or else would you rightly condemn them and say, Depart from me, all you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels?
---Eloy on 9/15/09


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The idea is actually an incorrect mixture of many different Scriptures.

Mark 9:43-44 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED."

Rev. 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name"

Rev 20:10 "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"
---Mark_Eaton on 9/15/09


Those who have not will experience it as burning fiery torment, as in flames
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directly from Dante's Inferno antichrist ministers of world 2Corin 11:15 creating a harsh cruel and demonic "god" 2Corin 11:4 ...a sadistic monster from father of lies god of this world who DECEIVES the whole world 2Corin 4:4, John 8:44, Rev 12:9

The Father in Heaven whose Truth says ONLY the righteous receive ETERNAL LIFE Matt 25:46 ...pagan christianity deliberately DISMISSES TRUTH the sinner SHALL NOT LIVE John 3:36 to support their lie of a "hell"

by ADDING their own words claiming sinners live to be tortured forever MOCKS GIFT of eternal life Rom 6:23
---Rhonda on 9/15/09


\\Study also the greek word and latin word which is TATARO and GEHENA means pit or grave. \\

Neither TATAROS nor GEHENNA means pit or grave.

Tatarus (or -os) was the place of unending punishment of the worst sinners in Greek mythology.

Gehenna is a Hellenized form of "ge hinnom"--the Valley of Hinnom. This was the garbage dump of Jerusalem where fires continually blazed to consume the garbage.

Would you like to try again?
---Cluny on 9/15/09


No...the bible does for-ever punishment of Hell. Read all the word Hell in the bible to see that its refering to pit, grave, destruction. Study also the greek word and latin word which is TATARO and GEHENA means pit or grave. Its false teaching of the Churches about Hell that a place of eternal suffering, its time for us to search the truth
---ROSALIE on 9/14/09


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Someone has suggested that Heaven and Hell are the identical objective experience: the complete experience of God's love with nothing to distract us from it.

Those who have acquired the love of God in this life will experience it as joy and bliss.

Those who have not will experience it as burning fiery torment, as in flames.
---Cluny on 9/14/09


Cluny. You're a very confusing person. Sometimes you are right on, and then other times I have to wonder:)
---Rod4Him on 9/14/09


But to answer her question, "eternal life" is the kind of life that God Himself has.

It does NOT mean the same thing as "unending." It's not a matter of length, but quality, and can start in this earthly life.
*****

LOL

alrighty and exactly WHERE in scripture is this idea?

AGAIN

show me WHERE everlasting life is given to the sinner?

it isn't - not one verse supports this reasoning of men - ONE MUST ADD this idea to Gods Holy Word and obviously DISMISS John 3:36 where TRUTH states they SHALL NOT LIVE

claiming sinners live also IGNORES BASIC scripture about death and MOCKS The Father in Heaven and his GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE which scripture states is GIVEN ONLY TO the righteous
---Rhonda on 9/14/09


God does NOT send people to Hell, we send ourselves to Hell by sinning and not accepting Christ as Lord. Yes, there is a Hell that people will burn in for ALL ETERNATY (FOREVER), but it is us that chooses to send us there. The Bible says that God wishes that ALL would be saved and NONE would perish. The Bible also says that wide is the road to distruction (Hell) and MANY that find (choose) it.
---Leslie on 9/14/09


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I don't think of it as a punishment but rather a consequence of making the choice not to accept Jesus as their savior. That's what is so great! That God gave us free will and choice. I think that's what separates us from robots! If we choose to accept Christ as our savior our reward is eternal life in heaven and if we turn away from Christ and choose to be of this earth and other things our reward is eternal life in hell. Your choice! May God bless you and may you see the truth!
---Aislinn on 9/14/09


\\why do hell theory believers insist the sinner receives eternal life when Gods Word says it is a GIFT to the righteous only? Rom 5:21, 6:23, John 3:16,36\\

Rhonda, however, NEVER evades questions, does she?

But to answer her question, "eternal life" is the kind of life that God Himself has.

It does NOT mean the same thing as "unending." It's not a matter of length, but quality, and can start in this earthly life.

So as you see, it's not something we're waiting for, either.
---Cluny on 9/14/09


Why do most Christians believe that their God will torture people for eternity? That makes Christians sadists. How sad. I pity the so called Christians when they meet their God on judgement day. He will say, You thought this of me? Go away from Me.
---calhoon on 9/14/09


Jerry ... I'm glad it was not you!

But there was a group who were making that suggestion. I was supposed to be not only MikeM and various others too.

It's not a very nice accusation to make, and ofteren those who make it are those who are themselves offenders.

To me Cluny does not sound or read like Lee, even though they may share some ideas
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/14/09


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Rhonda, I see that you do not believe in Hell-Fire. What do believe the Verses of Mark 9:44 and Mark 9:46 and Mark 9:48 mean. Especially, that is, as they are laid out within the context of the Verses of Mark 9:43 thru 9:48? I'm looking forward to your answer.
---Gordon on 9/14/09


Alan: "And it was Jerry or another of his friends who accused me of being MikeM"

Now Alan, you know that I never did such a thing. I have always had respect for you.
---jerry6593 on 9/14/09


It is truly pitiful that these posters would stoop to discredit one that they disagree with by saying I posted under different handles.

But what else can they do when they have lost so many of their arguments? They all too often have made fools of themselves.

Such is the case with the carnal minded christians or the mere professor of Christ (the religionists).
---lee on 9/13/09


Rhonda - In your quotation of John 3:36 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him'.

The phrase 'but the wrath of God remains on him' refers back to 'whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life'. You will notice ' the first phrase 'whoever believes in the son has eternal life' refers to a present possession of eternal life.

In contrast to SDA Investigative Judgment teaching, the genuine believer does not even come into judgment.

Joh 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
---lee on 9/13/09


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Rhonda = **and the poor dear sweet man thinks the brain is located in the nose too! .

If you were to visit your dictionary you would find that nose is part of the head.

And if you were to take the time to read the critiques created by Adventists medical researchers at Loma Linda Medical Center you would find they agree that EGW suffered brain injury after being struck in the snout by a rock.

While the ears, nose, teeth, etc. are not part of the brain, any injury to these organs may result in a brain injury. I even know of one who suffered a brain injury as a result of not having an infected tooth taken care of.
---lee on 9/13/09


Cluny ... Lee is the chap that has been accused of being a reincarnation of MikeM.

Now MikeM was previously SLCguy.

And it was Jerry or another of his friends who accused me of being MikeM

Don't worry about it!
---alan8566_of_UK on 9/13/09


Jerry I must agree ...apparitions and medicated hallucinations can wreck havoc on one's ability to focus on reality ...and the poor dear sweet man thinks the brain is located in the nose too! ...with all of the theology and greek and Ellen hating courses he has taken over the years one would think basic anatomy would have been par for the course ...ah but anyway I digress

I must ask ...why does everyone keep evading my question ...why do hell theory believers insist the sinner receives eternal life when Gods Word says it is a GIFT to the righteous only? Rom 5:21, 6:23, John 3:16,36
---Rhonda on 9/12/09


\\Rhonda: I'm beginning to think that Cluny is just another of Lee's alternate personalities.
---jerry6593 on 9/12/09\\

Who's Lee?
---Cluny on 9/12/09


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That seems indeed like a cruel monster rather than a loving God.

Rhonda: I'm beginning to think that Cluny is just another of Lee's alternate personalities.
---jerry6593 on 9/12/09


The people who want there to be an eternal hell will be sorely disappointed when they find out there isn't one to receive the people they especially dislike.
---mugwump on 9/12/09


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DUPED by religious christianity colorful hell-fire sermons from false ministers preaching another Christ 2Corin 11:4 choosing to DISMISS basic scripture of death Ecc 9:5 because they are unable to understand MYSTERY of 1Corin 15
---Rhonda on 9/11/09\\

And you actually think that YOU do?
---Cluny on 9/11/09


Gordon,

not sure how Jenny would answer John 3:36 is very clear: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him

important to understand it DOES NOT state - everlasting life is for those who receive wrath ONLY for those who believe on Christ

must IMPLY everlasting life is given to those who receive wrath and CONTRADICT PLAIN scripture that states they SHALL NOT SEE LIFE

DUPED by religious christianity colorful hell-fire sermons from false ministers preaching another Christ 2Corin 11:4 choosing to DISMISS basic scripture of death Ecc 9:5 because they are unable to understand MYSTERY of 1Corin 15
---Rhonda on 9/11/09


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HEll only means the grave/death, no more existence, not the hell that ministers try to impose on our beliefs.
---metuschelah on 9/10/09


Jenny, Can you explain what John 3:36 means? After your last post, I'm curious to know how you read that? Thank you.
---Gordon on 9/10/09


God will not do that, as he is full of love and compassion.

If a person has a deluded and destructive spirit, God may keep him from others for awhile to protect them, but God will not stop working to bring about a transformation in such spirits.

Love never fails and never quits trying, so God will prevail by extending insightful and deep love for as long as it takes.
---Jenny on 9/9/09


"sharing truth ...reading scriptures that apply to topics

what is it your doing Nana?"
Rhonda on 9/9/09

Unlike you that shares "TRUTH", rather I am sharing my understanding of Scriptures as I see fit and applicable to the innumerable topics that are presented here on these blogs. Cluny is correct in his assertion, "Teaching by any other name.....". That also is true for me also, for as I make a stand on my beliefs, by neccesity and exposition I am also teaching my faith and my beliefs. Hopefully we are not just talking, rather seriously addressing the Word of God to the best of our abilities.
---Nana on 9/9/09


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\\and still MORE nonsensical drivel only continues to support your stand - clouding the original nonsensical post with MORE gibberish words that take away from the post continue to evade dodge because you don't understand scripture to use it to support your idea's ...just another counterfeit christian parroting back his sun-day sermons\\

Would you like me to share with you God's truth about not striving and not wrangling, Rhoda?

In the mean time, keep on blessing me. All you do is increase my heavenly treasure.
---Cluny on 9/9/09


\\sharing truth ...reading scriptures that apply to topics \\

Teaching by any other name.....
---Cluny on 9/9/09
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and still MORE nonsensical drivel only continues to support your stand - clouding the original nonsensical post with MORE gibberish words that take away from the post continue to evade dodge because you don't understand scripture to use it to support your idea's ...just another counterfeit christian parroting back his sun-day sermons

one should look to themselves when they teach by another name ...one's who always fail to use scripture - more strife scattered using mens words superimposed OVER Gods Holy Word to DESTROY Gods Truth Matt 7:6
---Rhonda on 9/9/09


\\sharing truth ...reading scriptures that apply to topics \\

Teaching by any other name.....
---Cluny on 9/9/09


"I'm not teaching ...maybe YOU think you're "teaching" on a blog"
Rhonda on 9/8/09

What is it that you are doing on these blogs, Rhonda?
---Nana on 9/9/09
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sharing truth ...reading scriptures that apply to topics

what is it your doing Nana?

...unlike evangelist "christians" I KNOW ONLY The Father in Heaven calls those to him ...only an open mind wants TRUTH ...MANY THOUSANDS witnessed Christ when he walked the earth less than 120 did not TURN AWAY from Truth ...something mainstream christianity has twisted making MANY believe THEY call one to The Father in Heaven
---Rhonda on 9/9/09


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GOD's Ways are not our ways. His Ways are higher than our ways. Hell and the Lake of Fire were initially created for Satan and his fallen angels. The reason why any of mankind end up there in Eternal Torments is because they have chosen to follow Satan's ways of evil, sin and rebellion against GOD and their fellow man. For those who think that Eternal Torments in Hell and in the Lake of Fire is too cruel and unjust do not comprehend the absolute pure and perfect Holiness of GOD. GOD is repulsed and absolutely HATES even the slightest sin of mankind. Yes, YAHUSHUA's (JESUS') Blood covers sin, but, people must first acknowledge their sin and be willing to TURN AWAY FROM their sin and be willing to strive to walk in GOD's Right Ways of Holiness.
---Gordon on 9/9/09


"I'm not teaching ...maybe YOU think you're "teaching" on a blog"
Rhonda on 9/8/09

What is it that you are doing on these blogs, Rhonda?
---Nana on 9/9/09


\\Yes he mentioned hell ...and if you CAREFULLY READ Gods Holy Word you would comprehend ...but claiming ETERNAL LIFE for wicked is NOT FROM Christ - it is from men ...\\

And if you actually read God's Holy Word, you would know that women are not supposed to teach, Rhonda
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AND AGAIN as I've TOLD you across several topics (maybe this time you can remember) I'm not teaching ...maybe YOU think you're "teaching" on a blog ...like I said BEFORE if you hate women then don't respond to me - REALLY THAT SIMPLE

interesting you NEVER USE SCRIPTURE always pick out something to EVADE and DODGE your misunderstanding ...seems you are here ONLY to post nonsensical idea's unsupported by Gods Holy Word and cause strife
---Rhonda on 9/8/09


Cluny,
If you were to read and see the very original letters written by Paul, you will find that MAN inserted those scripture that says women can't teach.
Check it out. I am telling you the truth.
Ask around about Pauls' original letters.
That section where he supposedly wrote that to Timothy is ......MISSING!
Might upset some people but it is truth.
God says for us to seek it and when we do, we will find it.
Rhonda is very knowledgable about the bible.
It sounds to me like you might by a woman that knows more than you.
Really sad because we are all here for edification.
---miche3754 on 9/8/09


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\\Yes he mentioned hell ...and if you CAREFULLY READ Gods Holy Word you would comprehend ...but claiming ETERNAL LIFE for wicked is NOT FROM Christ - it is from men ...\\

And if you actually read God's Holy Word, you would know that women are not supposed to teach, Rhonda!
---Cluny on 9/8/09


Revelation--20--10. ( forever and ever.) Matt---25--41--eternal( forever and ever.) It is also cruel and unusual sin to reject God's own Son who offered himself a living sacrifice on Calvary for the sins of this world.
---gideon on 9/7/09


you need to read your bible

HELL IS NOT ETERNAL

HELL IS DEATH

and HELL AND DEATH ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE

YOU NEED TO WAKE UP and actually
STUDY FOR TEN YEARS
then you might know some truth

and the goodnewsaboutgod dot com
---robert on 9/7/09


No! He is not that kind of God! The Bible clearly indicates that the punshment for rejecting God'will, will be death! not eternal "hurting" in hell.
Study it for yourself and He will help you now the truth.
---Pierre on 9/6/09


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God didn't create man for hell but to live with Him forever. God doesn't send anyone to hell. He has given every person a free will, to choose how they live their life. It is our choice about where we will end up. The Bible says that hell was created for the devil and his angels. But if man refuses to live righteously, he will end up there as well. People who never think about God, don't care about God, don't study God's Word, will be very ill prepared for eternity. We can't live any way we desire and think we're going to Heaven. God desires that we seek to know Him. To learn about Him. To study scripture so we can make wise decisions about our life. The sole purpose in our being here is to know and love God, so we can be with Him forever.
---Alena on 9/5/09


"If hell is not eternal, then heaven isn't either, because the SAME WORDS are used to describe the duration of both."
---Cluny on 9/2/09

So what's your take on Sodom and Gomorrah "suffering the vengance of ETERNAL fire?"

The Bible says that the wicked will be destroyed in the lake of fire (not in hell), and that they will be ashes under our feet. It is the EFFECT of the fire that is eternal, not the duration. Any other interpretation does not agree with the ENTIRE Bible.
---jerry6593 on 9/5/09


"Do you believe that God will burn people in Hell for all eternity?" No.
If one believes the Father "The soul that sins (misses the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus) shall die.
After the final judgement death and hell are casted into the lake of fire. The second death is the final death of the wicked. Only the righteous receive the gift of eternal life.
Only " then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
Refs.Ezekiel 18:4>Rom. 6:23>1Cr 15:54,55
However, If one chooses to believe the lie of Satan, man "shall not surely die."
---joseph on 9/4/09


Like the fable told by Jesus Christ Himself?

Seems He mentioned it several times.
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Yes he mentioned hell ...and if you CAREFULLY READ Gods Holy Word you would comprehend ...but claiming ETERNAL LIFE for wicked is NOT FROM Christ - it is from men ...if you understood BASIC scripture of death it would be EASY to understand more difficult scriptures of hell that Christ described

MUST IMPLY the wicked have eternal life - because SCRIPTURE doesn't support that LIE of men

AGAIN - what scripture describes ETERNAL LIFE for the wicked?
---Rhonda on 9/4/09


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How ignorant to think man will choose to be tormented in hell for all eternity. If hell is for tormenting then God made the choice, for He made it.
---calhoon on 9/4/09


Right-o again Cluny.

Mima, God does not send people to hell, everyone there is there by choice. If got even worse news for you - hell is never full.

btw, everyone deserves hell so if God did decide hell would be all of man's final destination he would be perfectly justified in his own sovereignty. Grace is an underserved gift.

Mima, never forget the creature has no right to demand anything of the creator.
---larry on 9/4/09


If hell is not eternal, then heaven isn't either, because the SAME WORDS are used to describe the duration of both.
---Cluny on 9/2/09

More research required....but, there are several translations for the word "hell". Most mean grave, which an unbeliever will find eternal.
There is no contradiction in the length of time.
Not all will be come into judgment as is preached. What is to judge? They were unGODly.
Psalms 1:5Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
---Trav on 9/4/09


JESUS said the wages of sin is death. Yet many say the wages or penalty is being tortured for all eternity.

The bible speaks of hades and gehenna. Hades will be destroyed in a lake of fire. Hades is the greek teaching that we have immortal souls which are tortured for all eternity.

In the Bible immortal souls is not mentioned and in fact we are told the soul that sinneth it shall die.
---samuel on 9/4/09


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If God tortures people forever then you serve the wrong God and you are no better than Hitler if you serve this God.
---calhoon on 9/4/09


\\what self professing RELIGIOUS christianity does not comprehend is their fable of a place called hell\\

Like the fable told by Jesus Christ Himself?

Seems He mentioned it several times.
---Cluny on 9/4/09


"I don't believe that God will make people burn for Eternity,we do not serve a mean and unjustful God.........." this statement made by Gabby is pure human reasoning.
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then by all means PROVE from Gods Holy Word that Gabby is drowning in mens reasoning

...where are the verses that describe ETERNAL LIFE for the sinner/wicked?

I'll save you a trip through Gods Holy Word ...there is NOT ONE VERSE describing ETERNAL LIFE for the wicked

what self professing RELIGIOUS christianity does not comprehend is their fable of a place called hell MOCKS the GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE GIVEN to the righteous ROMANS 6:23 ...religious christianity MUST IMPLY by REASONING this verse includes the sinner
---Rhonda on 9/3/09


"I don't believe that God will make people burn for Eternity,we do not serve a mean and unjustful God.........." this statement made by Gabby is pure human reasoning. The problem is pure human reasoning goes against what the Bible says will happen. And of course we have no choice but to go along with what the Bible says and believe the word of God!!
---mima on 9/3/09


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The word of God teaches that the suffering of the lost in hell is eternal [Isa. 66:24, Matt. 25:46]. There is strong evidence to indicate that the Bible does in fact teach literal fire and other sufferings [Matt. 13]. It is no wonder why "it is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" [Heb. 10:31].
---catherine on 9/2/09


If hell is not eternal, then heaven isn't either, because the SAME WORDS are used to describe the duration of both.
---Cluny on 9/2/09


I don't believe that God will make people burn for Eternity,we do not serve a mean and unjustful God..........

What the Bible does say is He will Blot you out as though you never were,if you want nothing to do with Him

Gabby
---gabby on 9/2/09


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