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Why Do People Go To Hell

If Christ's blood atoned for all sin, then why are some people still going to hell?

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A-men Tray. So many lost in falsehood like ..... whom wrongly believe that Christ's atonement is indiscriminately applied to all.
I pray Not for the world, except for them which are mine, and I am glorified in them." Jn.3:36, 17:9,10.
---Eloy on 9/18/09

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

We see many foundations laid. The houses are indefinable though the way the stone is being laid. We should ask the Master Carpenter....but,.....
1 Corinthians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
---Trav on 9/19/09


All men born in Adam are born with the sin nature, and because they bear a sin nature, they are all damned to hell. It is our sin in Adam and that nature we bear because of that, that condemns all men to hell. As all men go to hell, God, in His marvelous grace, saves some. The rest are damned, but not simply because of the sin in Adam, but primarily because of the sin of unbelief. "You are condemned already because you believe not" John 3:
Rom. 1 say's, "that God has revealed Himself to such a degree that everyone is responsible for the revelation. And that's why the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unrighteousness, because when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God.
---MarkV. on 9/19/09


Kath, I understand what you are saying and you are right.
Maybe I just didn't clarify what I was saying.
Faith = believe, to me, so I have a tendency to interchange the two.
"Abraham had faith in God = Abraham believed God".
See what I mean.
Anyway, I completely agree. God didn't give Abraham faith. God asked Abraham to have faith in him that God would do what he said He would do.
I would even say that faith = believe = trust.
God asks us to trust him, believe him and have faith in him, I see them all as the same.
Anyway, Love ya sis and God Bless!
---miche3754 on 9/19/09


Someone said, "Faith=believe", Faith is Trust, not just believing. Romans 1 says, that God has revealed Himself to such a degree that everyone is responsible for the revelation. And that's why the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unrighteousness, because when they knew God, they didn't glorify Him as God.
So, believing God isn't sufficient to save you, but it is sufficient to damn you.
If anyone recognize's God as God, then God will accept that light of knowledge and take them to the next level, John 1:9 says, "Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world" When you live up to that light you have, God will give you more light.
---MarkV. on 9/19/09


kathr4453, miche3754,
God bless you,this world need you,"The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few".

"pits of hell"???
Luke 22:32: "But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."
James 2:18: "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

For those who get offended by James, please go and read Romans 2:6-11, and be offended twice.
---Nana on 9/18/09




Kath,

Doesn't God go to Abram(Abraham) and say (I am paraphrasing here)-
"If you will have faith(believe) in me, I will do such and such.... etc.?Miche*

My understanding is, God is REVEALING MORE OF His plan from the foundation of the world to Abraham. Little by little, God starting with Genesis 3:15, builds upon that same promise of ETERNAL LIFE already announced in Genesis 3:15. The SEED. Abraham's faith was in Christ, and was revealed to him, that through ISAAC the seed would come.

God didn't say to Abraham IF you have faith to believe...

But Because Abraham DID believe, it HIS FAITH was imputed to him Abraham for righteousness. Please read KJV Romans 4 line by line...word by word. It's so clear.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/09


The blood of Jesus DOES atone for all sin, but, people still reject God's offer and choose to have their own way. If they/we choose to reject Jesus Christ, then we are doomed to punishment.
---tommy3007 on 9/18/09


If this statement is true,
"Man does something to be saved. ITS THE FAITH OF THE MAN."
---calhoon on 9/17/0

Then men "work" for their salvation!!
---mima on 9/18/09


Explain how having faith is "work", mima?

Faith = believe

Jesus says if we just believe is telling the truth and repent of our sins, he will gives us grace and send the Holy Spirit to help us stand strong, increase our faith and teach us how to walk in God's will for our lives.
So, again, how is having faith "work"?
---miche3754 on 9/18/09


Kath,

Doesn't God go to Abram(Abraham) and say (I am paraphrasing here)-
"If you will have faith(believe) in me, I will do such and such.... etc.?
If I am not mistaken the story of Abram and Sarai is very clear that God asked them to have faith in him.
God gave them a promise if they would just have faith in him.
God didn't give Abram faith to believe in HIM. He asked him to believe in him.

God never takes the city without a warning.
He has warned all that if they don't believe and repent, they will surely die. So, salvation is offered to everyone. If a person goes to hell, it is because they refuse to accept God's gift of Grace because they don't believe Him.
---miche3754 on 9/18/09


calhoon, Salvation not gotten is salvation forgotten. Calhoon, Get saved, and join those of us whom are the redeemed, for after you get saved, will you know that Christ created a heaven for those whom he loves, AND ALSO CHRIST CREATED A HELL AND LAKE OF FIRE for all those whom he hates. Some are raised to joy and life everlasting, and others are raised to shame and horror everlasting.
---Eloy on 9/18/09




Grace is a reward for.....NOTHING.
It is unmerited favor.
We cannot do anything to earn it, even believe.
We simply accept it...or not.
---Donna66 on 9/18/09


A-men Tray. So many lost in falsehood like calhoon whom wrongly believe that Christ's atonement is indiscriminately applied to all. But clearly Jesus Commands: "Whom obeying to the Son has everlasting life, but whom disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on that one. I pray Not for the world, except for them which are mine, and I am glorified in them." Jn.3:36, 17:9,10.
---Eloy on 9/18/09


It is told by one, "Grace is a gift, the reward of our faith"
The Bible teaches the opposite, that salvation is by Grace, and that through faith one believes, and to make it clear Paul said, that faith was a gift of God so that no one can boast.

When grace is turned around as a rewarded for man having faith, then man saves himself by his own faith, and God rewards him for having it. Too bad for those who could not muster faith from within them. Maybe they were just not as lucky as those who were smarter then him.
Man centered theology, that comes from the pits of hell for it does not give glory to God but to man.
---MarkV. on 9/18/09


Grace is the gift, the reward of our faith.
---Nana on 9/17/09

Amen Nana!

This is truth.
Why then does Markv state that God gives us faith to make us believe or before we believe?

Anyway, let me make sure I am correct on what you are saying Nana.
When we hear the Words of truth spoken by CHrist and believe(have faith the size of a grain of a mustard seed)and repent(this is what Jesus said) Grace is the gift for it.
Once this is done, The Holy Spirit will come and "baptise" us and help us walk according to God's will and help us put down or deny our own will.
---miche3754 on 9/18/09


Grace is the gift, the reward of our faith.
---Nana on 9/17/09

Nana, You are so right!

If we are Abraham's seed, and walk in the steps of the FAITH of Abraham, we see in Romans 4 that no such reference is stated as our example that God GAVE Abraham faith as a gift first.

Now scripture teaches scripture. And Paul continues to state in Romans 4, Abraham's example WAS for US!

God Told Abraham something and Abraham simply BELIEVED what God had said was TRUE!

Faith Believes that HE IS.

James scolds those who's faith waivers...being double minded.

If Jesus also says, oh ye of little faith in a scolding manner....is Jesus responsible for that little faith?
---kathr4453 on 9/18/09


//Christ died for all...// --Calhoon, Eloy is right.

... which is SHED for many ....."(Mat.26:28)
---manny on 9/17/09

Many....does not mean all. All have never accepted. All never will. Eat meat now you're a grown up...throw the milk out.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:33-35
---Trav on 9/18/09


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hell is not for bad people or sinners. We are all bad and all sinners. Hell is for people who know God and still reject him, like Lucifer.
---donald on 9/18/09


If this statement is true,
"Man does something to be saved. ITS THE FAITH OF THE MAN."
---calhoon on 9/17/0

Then men "work" for their salvation!!
---mima on 9/18/09


//Christ died for all...// --Calhoon, Eloy is right.

"for this is my blood... which is SHED for many FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS."(Mat.26:28) --Christ's blood was shed for the remission of sins. How will we receive remission of sins through His blood?

"...whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."(Acts.10:43) --Those who will receive remission of sins are those who believe in Him.

"...repent, and be baptized...for the remission of sins.."(Acts.2:38) --Those who have REPENTED and have been baptized as a symbolism of being born again, are those whose sins have been washed by Christ's blood.

But there are those who will not be covered by His blood... see Rom.1:18-32
---manny on 9/17/09


John F. MacArthur took the quote from B.B. Warfield and added his two cents to it, as if Warfield had said that God gives the faith. What he said is that, "It is not, strictly speaking, even faith in Christ that saves, but Christ that saves through faith." Faith comes, as Paul says, Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." God will uphold us through our faith, Peter was sinking because of doubt, thus if God gave him the faith, it was weak to say the least, but that is not the case. Grace is the gift, the reward of our faith.
---Nana on 9/17/09


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Eloy,
Christ died for all, even before they were born. You speak false.
---calhoon on 9/17/09


The reason some people will go to Hell is because it is their choice. By rejecting Jesus and all that He stands for, that is their choice -- and for that choice they inheret Hell and all its torments for all eternity. So why not be smart and choose Jesus and inheret Heaven and all its wonderment for all eternity? What have you got to loose -- the only soul you have if you choose wrongly! So be smart, read your Bible, and choose Jesus, the Son of the Living God our Creator of all. Remembering that you are created in His image, an unique masterpiece. And because He loves you.
---Clair on 9/17/09


The reason some people are still going to Hell is because it is their own choice. When they reject Jesus and all that He stands for, then they choose and inheret Hell and all its torment for eternity. Why not choose Jesus and inheret Heaven and its wonderment for all eternity? When He loves you, and is the Living Son of the Living God our Creator that created all. He created you in His own image, you are an unique masterpiece. So be smart, read your Bible and choose Jesus, because He first loved you, and made a way for us to go home and be with Him forever in a loving peaceful eternity. What have you got to lose -- the only eternal soul you have.
---Clair on 9/17/09


Faith comes to the believer as a gift of God. It is not something that individuals are capable of mustering up on their own. ....Paul anticipated that men would tend to boast of their part in salvation when he wrote that faith ..."is a gift of God.. that no one should boast" Eph. 2:8-9. Salvation is "all of Grace"
MarkV. on 9/17/09


MarkV, Paul states clearly in Romans 4 that Abraham's FAITH was not something he could boast in.

GRACE is the Gift of Jesus Christ, not the gift of faith.

Jesus came full of grace and truth...not faith and grace.

In Romans 4, Paul is speaking as GOD gave HIM utterance, and it is very CLEAR that faith is not a work or one saving themself to boast of.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/09


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Christ's blood only atones for the sins of indivbiduals who personally repent and accept his atonement, else all their sins remain with them. Christ offers fortgiveness and restoration, but if a soul refuses him, then that soul in turn is refused by Christ and must be thrown into everlasting hell fire.
---Eloy on 9/17/09


What must man do to be saved? Bible say man must believe on Him. It doesnt say God must believe on God. Man does something to be saved. ITS THE FAITH OF THE MAN.
---calhoon on 9/17/09


Mark E, When I posted I was stating the doctrine of Justification BY FAITH. James is talking about sanctification..our WALK.

You will see in James, that James isn't talking about our initial Justification or did he go to the beginning of Abraham's Justification, but addresses Isaac being laid on the alter, born YEARS after God even promised.

True faith RESULTS in Obedience (from the HEART!!). Paul states in Romans 16:25-27...for teh OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, not KNOWLEDGE of faith.

We are not saved by KNOWLEDGE, but by Faith in Jesus Death and resurrection Life.

Those whom God has JUSTIFIED He has also Glorified. The question is...are you JUSTIFIED? TRULY Justified in His Blood?
---kathr4453 on 9/17/09


Faith alone (and this is the reason for the book of James) is not enough.

Faith must be accompanied by action, and that action is obedience to God.
Mark Eaton

Markv says faith alone. Period.
Do you concur with that?

And How do you think God saves sinners in the first place?
I am wondering what your position is on this And do you believe man has the freewill to deny salvation?
---miche3754 on 9/17/09


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The saving power of faith resides thus not in itself, but in the Almighty Savior on whom it rest. It is not, strictly speaking, even faith in Christ that saves, but that Christ saves through faith.
Faith comes to the believer as a gift of God. It is not something that individuals are capable of mustering up on their own. Were faith a work of man's own doing, men would be in a position to take partial credit for his redemption. But such a concept is not found in Scripture. Paul anticipated that men would tend to boast of their part in salvation when he wrote that faith (one of many components of salvation) "is a gift of God.. that no one should boast" Eph. 2:8-9. Salvation is "all of Grace"
---MarkV. on 9/17/09


True faith 2:
Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no Saving Faith. Therefore, faith, though it manifest itself in action as Mark E stated, comes as a result of God's work in us. "God grants us faith and that faith is evidenced by our walking in the good works that God has prepared beforehand" The Bible says that if we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved. However, the Bible does not present faith as simply "mental assent to the facts of the gospel" True saving faith involves repentance from one's sin and a complete trust in the work of Christ to save us from sin and make one righeous.
---MarkV. on 9/17/09


ONLY faith alone is enough IF its real faith. Faith is the foundation, now God can work through you.
---duane on 9/17/09


Mugwump I do not read Phil. 2 to say that all will be saved. Only those who accept they are helpless sinners and further accpt that Jesus died and rose again paying the price for their sin, will be saved.

I note it does not say every knee will bow (better bend) but that every knee 'should' bend..

I think this makes sense as anyone in their right mind should bow to Jesus will and avoid hell. But most, stubbornly, will not.

I know of no other Scripture which say all will be saved, just the oposite. Revelation 22:15 is one that comes to mind.

I think it a wonderful hope that all could be saved but it is only that, a hope.
---Warwick on 9/16/09


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Kathr:

Faith alone (and this is the reason for the book of James) is not enough.

Faith must be accompanied by action, and that action is obedience to God.

Paul even says what the action was later in the chapter:

Rom 4:20 "yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God"

The action of Abraham was giving the glory to God before he actually saw the results of God's promise to him.

That was why Abraham's faith was righteous.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/16/09


Mark E, 2 continue:
"And He answered and said unto them, unto you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have abundance, but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that which he hath. Therefore speak I unto them in parables, because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."MarkV****


MarkV, to Know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven has nothing to do with KNOWING that Jesus died on a cross for our sin.

More what MarkV, MORE SALVATION????

MarkV YOU don't know the Mysteries, or even the Gospel according to the Mystery (one of Many)
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09


5But to him that worketh not, BUT BELIEVETH on him that justifieth the UNGODLY, ***HIS FAITH*** IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Calvinists hate THIS verse!!!

Is faith/believing a WORK? NOT ACCORDING TO GOD!!!!

2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God.

Romans 4:9 ...for we say that faith was reckoned/IMPUTED to Abraham for righteousness.

Romans 4:12 ...but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham,which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, .....but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, ...
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09


God reconciled the world to Himself through Christ, NOT counting mens sins against them. (This is the power of the Cross). ALL men can now come to God to receive life through faith in the messiah. (the good news)...Praise God
---duane on 9/16/09


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Mark E, 2 continue:
"And He answered and said unto them, unto you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have abundance, but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that which he hath. Therefore speak I unto them in parables, because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
Only those that the Father has drawn to Himself will understand the mysteries of the kingdom. The lost cannot perceive the mysteries of the kingdom of God. They need to be born of the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 9/16/09


Mark E, Kathr hears the Truth, reads it, but her heart at the moment is not for God, no ears to hear, or eyes to see, she devices answers to confuse the Truth. Just listen to what she said:
"Mark_Eaton, MarkV is saying we are born again first to have faith to believe."
She rejects that Truth, Suggesting that the lost have faith while lost. If they do, they are all believers already. And if believers, they can enter the kingdom of God without been born again.
Jesus Himself declared that one of the reasons why He spoke in parables was that the Truth might be concealed from those for whom it was not intended. "And the disciples came and said to Him, 'why do you speak to them in parables?"
---MarkV. on 9/16/09


Mark_Eaton, MarkV is saying we are born again first to have faith to believe.



MarkV does not understand the doctrine of Justification by faith. he needs to seriously meditate on Romans 4. Abraham was justified by faith BEFORE Circumcision, not after..representing the unregenerate man.

Our circumcision (spiritually) is explained in Colossians 2.

The sins of the flesh and our identification with Christ in death and resurrection were NOT imputed to MarkV first before he had faith.

Justification is NOT the New Birth. It is our LEGAL standing before God to those who have placed their faith in Christ's death and resurrection Justified by His Blood and through that alone we are declared NOT GUILTY!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/09


If Christ's blood atoned for all sin, then why are some people still going to hell?

---vicki5621 on 9/9/09

vicki5621, you may want to look at it this way.

ALL those who came out of Egypt under the Blood did not ALL enter the Promise Land! Many died in their SIN right there on the very border.

Many today, still on the wrong side of the CROSS (no pun intended) refuse to GO OVER!!!!

The Promise Land represents salvation...The Jordan represents the Cross, and the ARK, Christ Himself who went before us! There is not eternal life in the wilderness. Entering REST represents salvation....the did not enter God's REST!!Hebrews 3 & 4 is good insight!

We enter God's rest through the Cross...it is FINISHED!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/09


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MarkV, Kathr:

I think what you have is a difference in terminology.

Kathr you said that we are saved by faith in God.

MarkV you said that we are saved by the grace of God.

Is not that the SAME thing? We accept God's grace and mercy in the death of Jesus by faith and in doing so, we are saved.

It seems to me that you are saying the same thing but accusing each other of being wrong.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/15/09


MarkV,Flattering yourself will get you nowhere.


MarkV, what do you have? And you say BOB KNOWS what YOU have?

You MarkV, have a problem twisting truth. I have a problem contending for the FAITH.

Now if my contending for the faith using scripture that speaks for itself is that thorn PRAISE GOD!!!

SO, actually you are calling scripture a THORN in your flesh!


You called God's love toward us REDICULOUS.

You said "Show me where we are Born Again of teh Word...and I did!"

MarkV, you scoff and snarl at scripture, and your PRIDE will never come back and say...gee, I never saw that...thank you. No you come back and take God's word and say...Oh, that really MEANS somehting else.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/09


Hi again Warwick. If you do a careful reading of Philippians 2, you will find that in the end every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. That can only happen if the whole creation is redeemed. It is wonderful news for humanity. God bless you!
---mugwump on 9/15/09


Kathr, you are a thorn on my flesh as Bob declared you were. I don't know Bob but he knows what I have. I made the mistake of believing you were for the Lord. I was wrong. I believe I have nothing more to discuss with you. I accept the thorn, but will not fall for it's actions. The temptation you give me, is strong, but greater is He that is in me, then he who is in the world.
---MarkV. on 9/15/09


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Oh Father how I LOVE your WORD
And WHO the WORD would be,
I KNOW the WORD is Your own Son
And I know He lives in me.


And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among is, full of GRACE and TRUTH.

The WORDS that I speak are Spirit and LIFE.

Acts 8:14
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

Acts 11:1
And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.


# Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 9/15/09


---MarkV. on 9/14/09

Its true we don't become Spiritually Alive until we receive the Holy Spirit. We don't receive unless God gives it to us. HOW does God call us and bestow the Holy Spirit upon us?
We must 1st Believe that Christ is the Son of God, that he died for our sins, and rose again to give us everlasting life.
Acts 19:2
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost
Paul asked them this. Believing comes first. God says "asks and ye shall receive".
But you claim God makes us do this when he says for us to ask, seek then the HS comes to teach us all Spiritual things.
---miche3754 on 9/15/09


She wants to be that thorn, and wants everyone to see, she is not forced to. It is her nature.MarkV***


Now I'm convinced you used an alies RE: the thorn..Shame on you MarkV.


You have so highly exalted yourself to believe you are WORTHY of a Thorn? Have you not read WHY Paul was given a Thorn? Because God brought him up to Paradise and showed him things not lawful to utter. GOD sent him a thorn to keep him humble and be dependednt completely on God's Power.

Paul said he gladly GLORIED in that thorn of affliction and persecution!

You're not Paul MarkV....and shame shame on you for thinking you are a greater than a Paul.....

Shows us here what ignorance and arrogance together will do! Exalt themselves!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/09


mugwump the Good News-is Jesus came to overturn the Bad News of Adam.

See:
1 Corinthians 15:21,22 'For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ will all be made alive

Romans 6:23 'for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

Scripture says Jesus died upon the cross, and rose again for the remission of our sins. If we repent of our sins, and accept by faith (Eph. 2:8-10) what Jesus' has done, we will be saved and avoid hell.

You appear to believe Jesus' blood covers everyone, that even those who have no Faith in God, do not repent, and ask for forgiveness will be saved? Surely not?
---Warwick on 9/15/09


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Christ Jesus' blood does indeed cover everyone. People go to an eternal hell only in each other's imaginations.
---mugwump on 9/14/09


People will still go to Hell, because acceptance of Christ and His blood are a choice. The Bible says that wide is the road to distrution and many will find (choose) it.
---Leslie on 9/14/09


Is a man that tells a lie considered to be a liar forever?
---mima on 9/14/09

mima, When God says LIARS, he's talking about false prophets..satan's children who is their father, the father of LIES!

Those who take God's name in vain, speaking things God NEVER said!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/09


Mima, let her (Kathr) go as deep as she can go. She does not discuss anything, she is judge and jury, not God.
As some husbands are consumed with their wives and follow them, hide to see what they are doing, will never give them peace, will invent anything to harass them, Kathr is consume by me. She will not answer others hardly but me. She's doing this, out of her own will, a thorn on my flesh. She wants to be that thorn, and wants everyone to see, she is not forced to. It is her nature. The sad part, is one other supports her actions.
Who was the thorn on the flesh for Paul? It was a messenger of Satan. God permitted that thorn to do as he wanted for a period of time. It was for Paul's humbling.
---MarkV. on 9/14/09


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Liars are not going to enter Heaven....
---kathr4453 on 9/14/09

Is a man who commits murder considered to be a murderer forever?

How many lies does a person have to tell in order to be a liar?

Is a man that tells a lie considered to be a liar forever?
---mima on 9/14/09


Comment,
"Whosoever will hear and believe"
Only those who are spiritually alive will hear and will believe. A dead person cannot believe Comment:
"We see Paul, who certainly WAS NOT Born Again first. We see it was DAYS LATER when he received the Holy Spirit."
You speak of spiritual things you do not understand as always. You cannot possibly know if Paul was born again or not at any time. Because you are a sinful creature. Only God can. Because He does the work. Rebirth is not the same as endwelling by the Holy Spirit. The drawing of God to Himself brings life to the spiritually dead person. God then gives His Spirit to the new rebirth. And so comes under the Covenant of Grace.
---MarkV. on 9/14/09


Kathr did you not follow instructions about reading the story about the thorn on the flesh of Paul, that Bob mentioned? Do you know who or what the thorn was? wake up lady.
---mikeg on 9/14/09


Amen again Kath.
---miche3754 on 9/14/09


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1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him..

1 John 3:16
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/09


Absolutely Duane, NOWHERE does it say we must LOVE God first to be saved. It's GOD who LOVES us."
Suggesting that people who are lost, who hate God, are running to Christ for salvation.
Suggesting the lost who are dead spiritually to the things of God, separated from God, can make a committment to Christ while dead. With thier own sinful hateful heart.
They suggest the lost can enter the kingdom of heaven without been born again?
---MarkV. on 9/11/09

"For God so loved the World he gave his only son....."
Sounds to me like God loves ALL of us first, Markv. Why do you continue to twist the Gospel? Jesus said CLEARLY in Matt 7:24, 10:32, 12:50, Rev. 22:17 WHO SO EVER WILL. Hear and Believe!
---miche3754 on 9/14/09


No the Lost certainly cannot have eternal life without being Born Again.

As stated in Ephesians 4, there is ONE SPIRIT, One Baptism.


We see Paul, who certainly WAS NOT Born Again first. We see it was DAYS LATER when he received the Holy Spirit.

For MarkV to say one must be Born again first is not found ANYWHERE in scripture. Cornelius was not BORN AGAIN first either.

The Holy Spirit is given to those WHO obey...scripture does not say the Holy Spirit is given to obey and believe teh WORD of the Gospel.

Even while we were yet sinners Christ died for us....YES The Greatest LOVE is God revelaing HIS LOVE to sinners through Jesus Christ death and resurrection!

Your rebuke MarkV is BLASPHEMY!!!

---kathr4453 on 9/14/09


Part #2


1 John 4:19
We love Him, because He first loved us.


Here is teh TRUTH of which MarkV calls rediculous!

MarkV calls TRUTH rediculous.

MarkV is a FALSE teacher and will have eternal consequences for his lies!

Liars are not going to enter Heaven....
---kathr4453 on 9/14/09


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People might get offended when I say this, but what they hey-

Because GOD don't want RIFRAFF in HIS HOME!!!

Rapists, murderers, etc. People who never truly repent....would you want them in YOUR home?

It may not be as bad as you think. There may be more people going to Heaven than you think.
---amand6348 on 9/11/09


Just look at this rediculous statement.
Absolutely Duane, NOWHERE does it say we must LOVE God first to be saved. It's GOD who LOVES us."
Suggesting that people who are lost, who hate God, are running to Christ for salvation.
Suggesting the lost who are dead spiritually to the things of God, separated from God, can make a committment to Christ while dead. With thier own sinful hateful heart.
They suggest the lost can enter the kingdom of heaven without been born again?
---MarkV. on 9/11/09


All God wants is your trust. Do you believe in HIM? While we were yet sinners, HE forgave us.Duane**

Absolutely Duane, NOWHERE does it say we must LOVE God first to be saved. It's GOD who LOVES us.

Oh my, when I heard the Gospel it was the Holy Spirit revealing God's LOVE to me. This can be rejected...as the Holy Spirit can be rejected!

There is no greater love than this: That Christ laid down His life for SINNERS!!! Our Love then is revealed after we are saved by laying down our life a living sacrifice to God, which is our reasonable service. Romans 12:1 & 2.

Now as believers...we are PERFECTED in HIS LOVE! 1st John!
---kathr4453 on 9/11/09


What is the LOVE of the TRUTH men would not receive? ...simply this

For God so LOVED the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes in Him will not parish but have eternal life.

Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men..


Therefore the LOVE of the TRUTH has appeared to all men...not just a select few. God has not withheld the Love of the Truth to those He supposedly can't wait to torment in Hell! Paul here is talking about AFTER the Church is raptured...no second changes to those who have rejected the Gospel already!!! THEY will worship anti-christ! Keep these verses in context please!
---kathr4453 on 9/11/09


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All God wants is your trust. Do you believe in HIM? While we were yet sinners, HE forgave us. Forgiveness is ours, now believe it. Some are still asking for something they already have. Is that faith?
God has reconciled the world to HIMSELF through Christ, not counting mens sins against them. How many believe this?
---duane on 9/11/09


Yes!!!!!! and it has always been my contention that those who do not receive the love of the truth are those who do not believe the Bible. Natural man's mind is dark and unable to escape that darkness except the light(love of the truth) be revealed to him by the Holy Spirit.
---mima on 9/11/09


Mima, about your passage in 2 Thess. 2:10. This passage speaks of the sovereign right of God to do as He wills in the live's of individuals who are lost. While man believe they have the power to choose Christ or not they lack the love of God to choose Christ.
In context the passage is talking about the coming of the lawless one according to the working of Satan, with power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all deception (hear this) among those who perish. Why? Because they did not receive the love of the Truth, that they might be saved. All who are lost do not receive the love of the Truth. And here is what God has to say, "And for this reason God will send them strong delusions, that they should believe the lie"
---MarkV. on 9/11/09


Hell is a reservations only resort. All who go there choose to do so and the acceptance application is usually completed over many years.
God is long-suffering and not willing that any should suffer, however he is the ultimate gentleman and allows those for whom he cares to reject him.
Anyone who rejects him will drifts away and will spend eternity in hell, but always by choice.
---larry on 9/10/09


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I think its simpler than that. The Kroger and free bread analogy is good, but here is something better. You already own the free bread.

If a lawyer came to you and said you were given the entire estate of a very wealthy uncle, and you were living in the streets with nothing to your name, are you a multi-millionaire? Yes.

But if you decide to stay in the street because you did not believe it, are you still a multi-millionaire? Yes. Except that you are not living in that reality. You are closing the gates of hell and locking yourself in and not letting a better life reach you. But you are still a multi-millionaire.

THAT is hell. Welcome to it!
---Boyd_Allen on 9/10/09


---kathr4453 I am in total agreement with your answer to this question. I am very impressed with your answer and I believe it is clearly one of the clearest and correct answers I've read in a long time.
---mima on 9/10/09


Most people will die and go to hell. How come? Because people love their sins more than righteousness. Won't ask God for forgiveness of their sins. Oh yes! God knows who you are! If I may quote scripture: "There will be No unredeemed sinners in heaven because they would ultimately wreck it". [It's in there somewhere].
---catherine on 9/10/09


Yes the Blood of Jesus has in fact atoned for the sin of the whole world.

People are not going to hell because there wasn't enough blood to go around (limited atonement) but because they are without excuse.

The FREE GIFT of salvation is offered to ALL, yet ALL will not receive. Those who reject the FREE GIFT of Jesus Christ and HIS Finished work upon the Cross are by their own choice staying in a fallen state of unregeneration and sin.

So those STILL in their fallen state, (you must be Born Again to receive eternal life)
themselves rejected the gift of eternal life. Salvation must be made Personal.

If Kroger was giving away FREE bread...it's not mine until I go and pick it up and have it in my posession!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/09


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While Christ atones for all sin, a person MUST accept Christ as Savoir to have the benefits of this atonement (Which is heaven). And like any gift, it has to be accepted. Any person who rejects this gift from God, therefore only has hell to look forward to for eternal life.
---wivv on 9/10/09


God doesn't send anyone to hell, people send themselves to hell because:

1) They will not and do not repent of their sins. "Unless ye repent, ye shall perish."

2) they don't accept the blood sacrifice of Jesus shedding His Blood on the Cross for their sins.

3) Pride-some people don't believe they need Jesus to get to heaven, they think it's by their good works.

4) You've got to accept what Jesus did for you, repent of your sins and accept and believe in Jesus, walk with Him and Obey His word.
---anon on 9/10/09


People go to hell because they don't believe the words of Christ.
They don't believe he came to set them free.
They don't believe any of what is told to them about Christ.
That is why.
---miche3754 on 9/10/09


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