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Can we eat pork and if so where is that in the Bible?

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jerry6593-- The scripture you gave me is only part of the story.

Act 10:10-15 And he [Peter] became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
---Donna66 on 10/3/09


Did Jesus lift the prohibition on the Levitical food laws?

Mark 7:18-23 And he said to them, "Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him.For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person."

The answer is rather obvious that He did.
---lee on 10/3/09


Jerry, Acts 10 beginning with v.9 while praying he saw heaven opened up and an object like a great sheet bound with four footed animals. And a voice from heaven told him to kill and eat. He said he had not eaten anything common or unclean. God answered, "What God has cleaned you must not call common." Peter had been following Old Testament restrictions.
More then just abolishing the O.T. dietary restrictions, God made unity possible in the Church of both Jews, symbolized by the clean animals, and Gentiles, symbolized by the unclean animals, through the comprehensive sacrificial death of Christ for "He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation"
---MarkV. on 10/3/09


---jerry6593
---lee on 10/2/09 gave the answers to your questions.
---mima on 10/3/09


Donna: I gave you scripture. What you offer is mere speculation. Again I ask, if the biblical prohibition against abominable flesh had somehow been lifted by Jesus, then why wouldn't Peter, a man quite close to Jesus, have been aware of it? Would you rather obey God or your own food cravings?
---jerry6593 on 10/3/09




Jerry6593--
Like Paul, Peter was a Jew. He followed Jewish dietary laws. That's what he was used to. Even today a Jewish Christian i.e. a "completed Jew" may continue to eat kosher... but not many do. Or they may eat kosher sometimes and "tref" sometimes.
---Donna66 on 10/2/09


The Christian is indwelt by the Holy Spirit whose ministry is to convict one of any sin found within the life of the Christian.

So if there is no conviction of sin by the Spirit on one that truly seeks to follow Christ,then how can we say if something is sinful?

There is no testimony in the lives of the saints of the church nor anything in the New Covenant of the church, that the Christian is restricted from eating certan foods except if such may cause another to stumble.

Ro 14:2 For one believeth he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Ro 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
---lee on 10/2/09


---Adetunji --
I never made any comment about what PAUL ate. I don't know what he ate. I DO know what he told Gentile Christians (He was a Jewish Christian who presumably ate kosher).

The Gentiles had never eaten kosher, didn't know the "rules" for that, or a multitude of other Jewish commands and prohibitions (of which there were many).
The elders of the early church decided not to burden them with all those Jewish customs. Regarding food' the Gentile believers were told only to abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled.
---Donna66 on 10/1/09


Jerry6593 --
I don't doubt that Paul continued to eat kosher as was his habit. I think he may have continued to observe many or even most Jewish traditions that he had practiced all his life. Be he never claimed that ANY of these traditions played a role in his Christianity!

He had been circumcised, as was required of all Jewish males. But he NEVER tried to get a gentile to be circumcised...because that custom had nothing to do with their Christianity.

Even today, food choices or circumcision are a matter of choice. Some may avoid pork or even meat altogether. Some may enjoy pork and shellfish.
Circumcision is chosen, or not chosen, for a variety of non-religious reasons
---Donna on 10/1/09


There is no evidence from the Bible that Jesus or any of His disciples ever ate anything unclean. Peter affirmed this years after the cross:

Act 10:14 But Peter said ... I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

If the cross somehow magically made the unclean clean, why is it that Peter hadn't got the word?
---jerry6593 on 10/1/09




Donna66: When i travel to areas where they eat things that I believe are not good for me to eat, i definitely choose what to eat. In the same vein, it is possible that Apostle Paul was choosing what he ate from whatever the Gentiles were presenting to him then. It is not binding on him to eat everything presented to him. This is why i stated that "eating with the Gentiles is not synonymous with eating unclean food/meat". When you are presented with a buffet even in this age, do you eat everything available?
---Adetunji on 9/30/09


Rhonda--
I don't know where you learned your biology, but pigs, like all mammals ....do not "eliminate" anything through their hoofs
******

WHAT???

you are seriously joking right?

must be that "new age" anatomy ...where hog farmers changed it to keep the masses duped ....SADLY you are either deceived or purposely spinning a web dear ...pigs eliminate toxins from ducts above their hooves ...called sores where poisons OOOZE from its body

and that isn't even half the horror but anyway ...no concern your book must be more up to date then ORIGINAL anatomy of pigs

...almost repulsive how many blindly overlook HOW and WHAT pigs eat cuz it tastes great with beans
---Rhonda on 9/29/09


Samuel //Since the Jews had to wash their hands before eating are you going to say no one should wash their hands before eating that it is just for the Jews alone?

Common sense hygiene and eating foods properly prepared are two different things.

However, we do not see any prohibitions on Christians of any kind on what food we may or may not eat, unlike Levitical food laws designed to distinguish the Jews from other people.

There is little or no agreement among dieticians as to foods one should or should not eat. Moderation in everything is really the key with an eye on ones own personal health problems. In other words, if one is diabetic or has a weight problem. then one should not eat food that is high in carbohydrates.
---lee on 9/29/09


Yes Lee Legalists can use pork and unclean food to make themselves feel superior. Others can use they fact they do not obey these rules to make themselves feel superior.

Both are wrong. Nothing we do make us superior to anyone else. We are all sinners dependent on GOD for salvation. But the same GOD gave rules of sanitation and washing hands and bathing to keep us clean. I do not eat pork and I wash my hands before eating. Both to me are simply trying to live a healthier longer life.

Since the Jews had to wash their hands before eating are you going to say no one should wash their hands before eating that it is just for the Jews alone?
---Samuel on 9/29/09


Eating of any type of meat can be a health issue if not properly prepared.

Read the label on any meat product (fish, chicken, pork, beef, lamb, etc.) and you will see a warning such must be properly cooked before consumption.

Pork, and other types of meat mentioned in the Bible were designed as a means of keeping the Jewish people separate from other people. Much the same can be said of their Sabbath & other religious tenets.

And yes, it is a fact the church did not place any food restrictions on Gentile converts.

We are instruted not to judge others on what they eat or not eat (Romans 14, Col 2:16,etc.).

It is unfortunate legalists use such external things to judge others of their spirituality.
---lee on 9/28/09


diconklin--
The "proof" is what Paul told the Gentiles in Acts 15:28-29

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you NO GREATER BURDEN than these NECCESSARY things,

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


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Rhonda--
I don't know where you learned your biology, but pigs, like all mammals, eliminate bacteria and other wastes in their feces. They do not "eliminate" anything through their hoofs. If they are allowed to stand in filth and feces, they will have an odor.

They are omnivorous, just like man. In fact, their skin is so similar to mans that it is used for skin grafts.

Pigs do not choose filth. If a clean area is available, they prefer it (but they roll in mud or dust to cool off)

Perhaps because of trichinosis, a parasite in their flesh that may affect humans, God forbad the Jews from eating it. We now know that thorough cooking eliminates the problem and the USDA inspects pork like other meat products.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


In the statment about making all foods clean. It is my understanding that JESUS was placing the importance of food in it's proper place. Unclean food is not a salvation issue. It is a health and trust issue. Do we trust that GOD gave us the best diet? Or do we think that we know more then GOD.

In a survival show I was watching recently Bear made a point about fresh water Mussels. They are scavengers and unless eated after being rinsed and cooked carefully they can poison you. GOD said do not eat them. Know we can know why?
---Samuel on 9/28/09


God forbid eating certain animals like pigs because not fit for humans...just like crows vultures etc pigs eat WASTE including diseased decaying rot ...pigs raised for PROFIT kept in close quarters in a pen cess pool of filth ...fed "grains" but a pig will EAT ANYTHING ...pigs eliminate bacteria not from defecating - through hooves which become clogged in pens one reason for miles of gagging stench created from hog farms

whatever pigs eat turns to their flesh less than a few hours and passed on as "food"

amazing how humans sauce up (disguise) food to taste great prefer ignorant bliss because can't see damage pig poison is doing to their bodies ...God knows and told us ...but not all want to LISTEN to God
---Rhonda on 9/28/09


>The point is that Gentile Christians were not required by the early church to follow Jewish dietary laws.

No proof for that.
---djconklin on 9/28/09


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// God did not say that He made all creatures in the air/sea/land for our eating.

Wrong!!

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Howbeit, there was a prohibition of eating meat with blood. (9:4)

And we read in Mark 7:18-19 And he said to them, Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?(Thus he declared all foods clean.)
---lee on 9/27/09


Adetunji ---
History tells us that the Gentiles in Biblical times DID eat foods considered "unclean" by the Jews. For example, shellfish were popular then and also today (no evidence that they are unhealthy).Gentiles had milk and meat at the same meal, which is definitely NOT Kosher...and not unhealthy.
All meats contain some blood..They are Kosher only if killed humanely and drained of blood as the rabbis do.

The point is that Gentile Christians were not required by the early church to follow Jewish dietary laws.
There is no scientific evidence even today that those who eat kosher are healthier than those who don't.

BTW, how many human flesh eating cannibals read Pauls letter to the Romans?
---Donna66 on 9/27/09


Let's focus on God. God did not say that He made all creatures in the air/sea/land for our eating. The same Bible passages that some of our brethren are quoting from Apostle Paul are being used by cannibals to justify their ungodly acts. It is not written anywhere in the Bible that the Lord Jesus & Apostle Paul ate unclean animal meats. Eating with Gentiles is not synonymous with eating unclean animals. ALL the things that God instructed Israel not to eat are definitely physically & spiritually not good for our consumption, BLOOD(all types), FATS(all types). Most animals that eat blood directly are in our exclusion list and all poisonous ones too. These instructions like all God's ins~s were made in His love for us.
---Adetunji on 9/27/09


//Does this sound like Paul expected these Gentiles, who were not raised knowing the details of eating Kosher, to follow all the dietary laws of the Jews?

This echos the confrontation that Paul had with Peter -

"For before certain men came from James, he (Peter) was eating with the Gentiles, but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy."Gal.2:12f

The Adventist view that Gentiles were to become Jewish and follow Jewish law by learning from the synagogues is just so much foolishness designed to support their adherence to laws strictly Jewish.
---lee on 9/27/09


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Jerry6593-- The issue in context was indeed, the keeping of Jewish law.

What Paul told the GENTILE CHRSTIANS agreed exactly with what the elders had said.

Act 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you NO GREATER BURDEN than these NECCESSARY things,

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Does this sound like Paul expected these Gentiles, who were not raised knowing the details of eating Kosher, to follow all the dietary laws of the Jews?
---Donna66 on 9/25/09


"From the days of the early church, GENTILE Christians were not required to eat kosher..... keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication."
---Donna66 on 9/22/09

Abstinance from blood and strangled animals is a part of kosher eating. Again, the issue in context was never about a newfound license to eat unclean flesh, but rather dealt with meat offerings to idols.
---jerry6593 on 9/25/09


ken rank -**Has God's Laws been done away with?

Some laws have been abrogated such as the requirement for males to be physically circumcised Acts 15, And the food restrictions given only to the Jewish nation are no longer required of converts Romans 14.

And the laws governing temple sacrifices such as sin offerings, burnt offerings, wave offerings, and other type of rituals are no longer in vogue.

The problem some people have is that they refuse to make any distinction between the Old and New Covenants.

Of course, some need to acknowledge that some OT laws such as tithing are still in force in order to exploit money from the naive and unlearned and some have made the Sabbath the centerpiece of their religion.
---lee on 9/24/09


This subject deals with Law. Has God's Laws been done away with? Did Jesus free you from God's laws? Was the law nailed to the cross, or were sin and death nailed to the cross?

As Christians we are quick to post the 10 commandments, but then turn and only keep 9 of them. We tithe, but then say the law is dead. We read Jesus say as long as heaven and earth are here, so is the law... and then say he nailed the law to the cross. We look at Torah (Law) as bondage, punishment to the Jews, and then ignore David who called Torah a Delight, or Moses who called it Light.

Is Law the bondage, or was sin and death the bondage?
---Ken_Rank on 9/24/09


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And Isaiah 7:22:
And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.
---Gary on 9/23/09


Interesting that take on butter...,
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign, Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good."
---Nana on 9/22/09


mima - love my ham & eats!!

But apparently if you are a strict Adventists, you really cannot eat either, as ham comes from pork(a Levitical no no food), and eggs (along with meat & butter) act as aphrodisiacs on children according to the supreme teacher of Adventism, Ellen White.

Healthful Living, p. 217 You place upon your tables butter, eggs, & meat and your children partake of them. They are fed with the very things that will excite their animal passions, and then you come to meeting and ask God to bless and save your children." (see also Testimonies for the church, Vol. II, page 352)

So it is food that is responsible for some types of our sins!!!!
---lee on 9/22/09


Lee I read first Timothy 4:4-5 and my Bible reads the same as yours. However I promise not to look at it too often especially when around seven-day advance people.
---mima on 9/22/09


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Jerry6593 -- From the days of the early church, GENTILE Christians were not required to eat kosher.

PAUL didn't decide it, the elders did.
They are the WE referred to in the next passage. They passed this information on to Paul.

Acts21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
---Donna66 on 9/22/09


Adventists are known and respected throughout the United States for their fine hospitals. I know this from my professional experience...I'm not a Adventist.

These hospitals are vegetarian, however a patient may eat meat if his doctor orders it.
I found their vegetarian meals so delicious that many patients and employees were happy to forgo meat for the time they were there.
---Donna66 on 9/22/09


I like it. God has yet to rebuke me on it. I don't eat it all the time, because it is fattening, probably not anymore so than some other stuff. A lot of it is not healthy so they say. For what that's worth. Anyways I like it, I eat it sometimes, yes!
---catherine on 9/22/09


Ignats: Rom 14 doesn't say anything about the supernatural cleansing of unclean flesh. In fact, as is clear from Paul's writings in Acts 15 & 21, the issue is over food made unclean by being offered to idols. If you'll notice, the OT Hebrew ban on the eating of blood and strangled flesh is still upheld by Paul. How could that be possible if the OT dietary law was made void? Besides, just who gave Paul (a pharisee) the power to overrule God?
---jerry6593 on 9/22/09


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Lee having eaten meat in Adventist churches and homes I am well aware that vegetarianism is a dietry advice, not a Biblical or church command. Surveys show only about 40% of Adventists are vegetarian.

As regards working and trading on the Sabbath I have rarely met this rigid legalism you prattle on about. The pastors and elders work, they accrue costs for electricity, prepare food, and some travel to church by bus and taxi.

In my ministry we sold books at these services.

---Warwick on 9/21/09


lee - That's interesting. Oysters were forbidden in the Old Testament every bit as much as pork! To avoid only ONE of these foods for "spiritual" reasons contradicts the whole idea of eating only "clean" kosher foods.
---Donna66 on 9/21/09


To StevenG. And my point? I guess you didn't go back and look at it with a fresh perspective. No worries, you are free to see it as you do.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 9/21/09


Peter suffered some "confusion" about this too.

Gal 2:11-14 (NIV)When Peter came to Antioch, I [Paul] opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.
Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles.....
The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force GENTILES to follow JEWISH customs? (caps mine)
---Donna66 on 9/21/09


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Adventists may however, eat oysters since that was one of White's favorite foods.

All foods are considered clean and "not to be rejected if received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer". 1 Tim.4:4f
---lee on 9/21/09


The clean & unclean meat issue was an Old Testament unction from God which was part of the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant was done away with & the New Covenant takes its place. Acts 10:10 Peter became very hungry. He went onto the roof to pray and saw a vision in which the Lord told him to kill and eat unclean animals. He did not tell him to kill and eat people (Gentiles). Though the vision was also about not calling any man common or unclean, it was also about the ban being lifted of unclean meats such as pork. Later some accused Peter of eating with the Gentiles. Paul ate with Gentiles also.
---Betty on 9/21/09


Eskimos eat seal and walrus and other animals that are not listed as kosher in the Hebrew scriptures. Should they start raising sheep and cattle instead, up there on the arctic tundra? :-)
---mugwump on 9/21/09


Early Roman diet, two web hits:
"Fish and oysters were especially popular, meat, particularly pork, was in high demand as well. Elsewhere in Rome, delicacies, such as snails or dormice, were specially bred."
"There was also delicacies like truffles, goose liver (thought of by Plinius), minced lobster-balls, and oysters."

I wonder what Cornelius ate, being he was "a centurion of the band called the Italian band"?

jerry6593 says, "...rather than cessation of religious bigotry." Apparently Peter did not learn a thing then, Galatians 2.
---Nana on 9/21/09


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"I guess he missed the memo." (Jerry)

I guess Jerry Bible doesn't contain Romans 14. He missed Saint Paul's memo on dietary restriction. According to Saint Paul, poor old Jerry is wrong. Who should I believe? Jerry or Saint Paul? I choose Saint Paul, thank-you very much.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/21/09


Margarette: I read all the posts below and didn't find a single one that says pork is OK to eat. I saw the old distortion of Peter's vision to mean the eating of biologic garbage rather than cessation of religious bigotry. And then there's the old "the New Covenant frees us to not only break the Ten Commandments, but also to eat abomination" ruse.

Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Remember Peter's confession, years after the cross:

Act 10:14 ... I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

I guess he missed the memo.
---jerry6593 on 9/19/09


Ken_Rank: "StevenG, in the early 200's...

At the same time, when we see "scripture" or "the Word of God" in the NT, it is a reference to the OT, seeing there was no "NT" when these letters were written.

With these in mind, go back and read 1 Tim 4."

And your point?
---Steveng on 9/17/09


StevenG, in the early 200's, at the council of Elvira, a law was passed by a portion of the church later absorbed by Rome. It said you weren't to eat the food of the Jews. A hundred years later, Rome passed a law forbidding Christians to marry Jews. In fact, at that time, Rome assumed the authority for marriage, no marriage was considered legit unless it went through them. Until then, the authority for marriage was given by God to the families.

At the same time, when we see "scripture" or "the Word of God" in the NT, it is a reference to the OT, seeing there was no "NT" when these letters were written.

With these in mind, go back and read 1 Tim 4.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 9/17/09


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PS, 1 Timothy 4:3,4,5--,and commanding to abstain from meat,which God created to be received,with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good,and nothing to be refused,if it be received with thanksgiving. For it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer.
---Darlene_1 on 9/16/09


Dietary restrictions in the Old testament were strictly for the Israelites. When Jesus died on the Cross He fulfilled this Old testament law(Romans 10:4)( Gal 3:24-26)also(Ephesians 2:15)
In the New Covenant of Grace God is more concerned about how much we eat rather than what we eat. Our appetites are also an indication of the control we have over our own bodies.We are not to let our appetites control us, we are to control them(Prov 23:2)This is also why we should pray over our food/meals. Ask God to cleanse and sanctify your food,then proceed to eat, with thanksgiving to our God.
---Robyn on 9/16/09


When God told the Israelites not to eat pork+other animal/bird meats & FAT in general, HE did not say so to deny us of anything. The ones HE said we can eat are always available. It takes too many years to confirm by human-observation(science) that some things are bad for our consumption in those thing HE did forbid from eating. Consider: How many years after God spoke before humans discover, (1)tape-worm can survive in the oil of pork after being hard-boiled? (2)that FATS are not good for consumption? Avoid those things stated not to eat(eating it will not take the person to hell but may cause unknown medical problems here on-earth).
---Adetunji on 9/16/09


Samuel: "The Bible does not demand being a vegeterian."

That's right, Samuel. They are the strong christians who eat anything, nothing to be refused even ALL meats, when they eat with thanksgiving. They are the weak christians who eat only vegetables and not meat.
---Steveng on 9/16/09


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It is just not just a matter of Pork, it is a question of whether you are going to keep a complete Kosher House hold. That means no Lobster clams, oysters or shrimp, separate eating and cooking utensils for meat and deary products. You are going to observe all the hand washing between courses and food groups and the water must flow down from the wrist to the elbow. You can't have real milk or cream on your coffee or tea.

Most Christian Households don't want to do that and it is basically an all or nothing proposition. As a Christian Gentile you have been freed from those requirements when Paul stated that Luke did not have to be circumcised. All of those requirements of Judaism went away.
---The_Friendly_Blogger on 9/16/09


I know some people feed slop or left over food and table scraps but that isn't done by Hog Farms. Hogs really are clean animals preferring water over mud to cool in and in the wild eat roots and other plants. Hogs also used to carry parasites which could be passed on to people. Now hogs are animals from good blood lines which are shown like cattle in shows. People who raise them only raise animals fed on regular feed,such as corn and soy beans,as livstock are. They also get shots to protect them and people from any "bugs". It is as safe to eat Farm raised hogs as it is cattle. Will hogs eat slop,yes,will they wallow in mud yes,but they are at the mercy of owners so its the people who are filthy not the hogs.
---Darlene_1 on 9/16/09


Here in Texas I used to listen to a Baptist Preacher out of Corpus Christi who opposed eating pork and unclean foods. He used to say that pork, dead animals found, cats, dogs and scavengers were declared uneatable by the word of GOD. So they were never set to be recived in the first place.

Since they were never supposed to be eaten they should not be. GOD designed us. Should we not follow his rules on good health? Or should we just eat what we wish without considering that GOD knows best?

The Bible does not demand being a vegeterian.
---Samuel on 9/16/09


Let us be very careful in what we write. This statement is incorrect,"Adam and Eve made their first clothes from animal skins...I doubt they wasted the meat.
As Genesis 321 makes clear.

Genesis 3-21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

Nor is there any implication that they ate the meat. In fact they were vegetarian at this time.
---mima on 9/16/09


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It's OK to eat Kosher --no pork or shellfish--
(To the Jews, Kosher, is more complicated...including separating meat and dairy, even to the dishes they are served on.)

But it's OK to eat any meat. God has no preference for vegetarianism. Adam and Eve made their first clothes from animal skins...I doubt they wasted the meat.

God says in the last days there will be:

1Ti 4:3-5 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
---Donna66 on 9/15/09


Porky the: too much beef and a lot of red meat is not too good. Moderation is the key in all that we do.
---Robyn on 9/15/09


No meat is prohibited.

The Spirit says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and...

... commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
---Steveng on 9/15/09


I have been questioning the same things.

I have been eating as close to kosher as I possibly can, and I feel great. I have broken the pork rule (myone big strict one) a couple times and felt gross and Seperated From His Presence, just as I had when I had fallen into temptation a couple times since accepting Jesus.

No one can judge except YHWH. However, do what the Holy Spirit is convicting you, personally, to dO!

ANd think about that story when Jesus casts those demons into the pigs that drown themselves! I feel that when I eat pork now!
---Jonathan on 9/15/09


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Watch out Porky! I love bacon!
---Gary on 9/15/09


Sure. There's a lot things one can eat. It's just not good for one's body.
---Rod4Him on 9/15/09


.the human mouth consists of both kinds of teeth..."

That's an interesting perspective Eloy. It's so obvious, yet I never really looked at it that way, i.e., we have incisors for tearing flesh & molars for grinding vegetation, etc. Very interesting how meticulously God even designed our teeth for the types of foods He made available for us to eat!

I admit, after recently renting & watching the HBO epic series "Deadwood" -- yes, I did! --, I'm very reluctant to ever eat pork again. :)
---Leon on 9/15/09


Eat-t-t-t-t more beef and chic-c-c-cken folks!!!
---Porky_the. on 9/15/09


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It is up to the individual whether or not they eat kosherlly. Some like myself abstain from eating pork, ham and bacon and anything from the pig. And I also abstain from strange sounding foods, like squid, octapus, oysters, raw fish and raw eggs, animal tails, feet and hoofs, snouts, eye balls, ears and nose, etc., but other people choose to eat almost anything without any discretions at all. Scripture records that Jesus ate lamb, so Jesus is not a vegetarian. Yet some are vegetarians and some are meatetarians, but the human mouth consists of both types of teeth used not only by herbavores but also by carnivores specifically designed to tear meat, therefore at least according to our teeth people are omnivores, eating both vegetables and meat.
---Eloy on 9/15/09


While spending time with the messianic Jews this subject about eating pork was discussed many times. All the messianic Jews had eaten pork. Pork was served every morning at breakfast to all who were in the counseling sessions. But most messianic Jews told me that they did not eat pork in public because of the witness(and offence) it gave to the Jewish people.

In China I ran into people who were not Moslem in their religion, but were Moslem in their habits and one of those habits was they did not eat pork!!!
---mima on 9/15/09


Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
---Gary on 9/15/09


Acts 10:11-12=13-14-15
"11-And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12-Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13-And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15-And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

After reading these verses the question is are pigs fourfooted beast???

You get to be the Judge.
---mima on 9/15/09


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ken, Thank you for clarifying the passage to which I was referring. Yes, the context and meaning of Peter's vision was about Cornelius. However, given the passages later in the Epistles about liberty, and meat sacrificed to idols, I believe that Peter's vision could also be taken literally in the context of the question about pork. Had there NOT been scripture supporting my thesis in the Epistles, I would not have mentioned the vision.
---Trish9863 on 9/15/09


I'm thinking there's scripture (couldn't seem to find) that says all meat is when blessed (prayed over). I just love p-steaks etc & chicken fixed on a grill.
---Lawrence on 9/15/09


Trish, you are welcome to eat anything you want, I am not telling you what to do.

However, Peter's vision had nothing to do with food. Food was something used by God because Peter understood it's significance. The message of the vision, which Peter clearly relates to Cornelius, is that "God showed him not to call MEN whom he has made clean, unclean." Re-read the whole chapter, that should become clear.

Dreams are not literal, though they carry a literal message. The Pharaoh's dream had 7 sick cows eating the 7 healthy cows. Does that mean we can't put healthy cows in the same pen with sick cows because they will be eaten? No, the cows, and the unclean food, were symbols representing something else.

Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 9/15/09


Study the book of Acts to see when Peter had his dream. Also, 1 Corinthians to see about our liberties in Christ.
---Trish9863 on 9/14/09


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The Apostolic Council of Acts 15 makes it clear that Gentile Christians are NOT bound to the Jewish kashuroth.
---Cluny on 9/14/09


You may eat pork unless you think it is wrong to eat pork. You can read Romans 14 and decide for yourself. Whatever you decide, no one should hold it against you.
---mugwump on 9/14/09


Jesus said, "Focus on not what goes into the body, but what comes out." We are made unclean from the evil thoughts that come out of our hearts, not from what we eat.

Also, in an old testament story, God lowered a blanket in a vision/dream of "unclean" animals to a man and told the man not to call what God has Blessed/Sanctified? unclean, but in that story he was using it as an example for this man to witness to another man?

Jesus also said, "I am not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it."

Most Christians do not follow the whole Bible.
---amand6348 on 9/14/09


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