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Replacement Theology Satanic

Yesterday in conversation I made this statement. Replacement theology (the church today takes the place of Israel) is but another attempt by Satan to deny and discredit Israel and turn the world against God's people the Jews. Do you believe this statement is correct?

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Nation or Notion?
Romans 14:11: "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12: So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
Are we grafted unto Israel? We would be then giving Israel an account of ourselves, but we are not taught such.
---Nana on 10/1/09


Replacement theology is one of the evil doctrines taught by the so called church. We are grafted into Israel , we do not replce Israel! Period! Scripture doesnt teach this, in fact we should be keeping the Torah as Yahushua did, the Apostles did. We do not have to keep the man made portions which were added by men, but Torah is still valid!
---wayne on 9/30/09


The Secret Rapture is prejudiced against jews. They must be tortured and hunted downed and killed since they cannot be raptured with all the good and true Christians. That is prejudiced. samuel***

Samuel, it's the other way around. God has a plan for Israel the NATION after the Church is reptured. ALL the promises of Jesus Christ as KING will be fulfilled.

The Church must be taken out of the way first before God can again CHOSE Israel and bring them back to their own land as He promised. ISAIAH 14..fulfilling Zechariah 12-14.

Those who believe in replacement Theology don't believe in the 1000 year Millenniel Kingdom Reign ROBBING Israel the Nation of her blessings and Promises, not to mention the promise God made to Jesus!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/09


Remember branches broken off (Israel) will be grafted back in. Gentiles(wild branch) grafted in. Both grafted to the same tree..
---djconklin on 9/28/09

Actually you are right and contextually wrong. Right in that it is Nth Israel broken off. Wrong and right in the Gentiles grafted back in. Northern house of Israel was gentilized when divorced.
She will be grafted back fulfilling the following and other prophecy's..

19Say unto them, Thus saith Lord GOD, Behold, I will take stick of Joseph, which is in hand of Ephraim, and tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

26And so all Israel will be saved,
---Trav on 9/29/09


mima, I think you were wrong to make such a statement. For one reason, it's a distraction to say that when the focus needs to be on Christ, not politics. Second, if one does believe in replacement theology, that doesn't mean they are anti-Israel (Jew).
Another reason that statement is in error is that people don't know what Satan is up to with Israel.
However, having said this, discussing what God's plan is for Israel, if there is a plan, is a legitimate issue, but still perhaps a distraction to more important issues. Maybe a question is, what is God's plan for Israel, the Nation?
---Rod4Him on 9/28/09




GOD welcomes back any child who turns from sin no matter what their parents or other ancestors did.

The Secret Rapture is prejudiced against jews. They must be tortured and hunted downed and killed since they cannot be raptured with all the good and true Christians. That is prejudiced.

The replacment theory teaches all must come to JESUS and be Born Again no matter their ancestory. It also speaks that the Jews who come into the Church are a great blessing.
---samuel on 9/28/09


>Remember branches broken off (Israel) will be grafted back in. Gentiles(wild branch) grafted in. Both grafted to the same tree(root) which is Christ.

That is correct, see Rom. 11:17-24.
---djconklin on 9/28/09


"Samaritan woman at Jacobs Well, good example.
Her father Jacob...dug the well."
---Trav on 9/18/09 ...and he was a Samaritan. And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? ....
---Nana on 9/20/09

Samaritan,like calling someone a Texan,American. Gives context of area lived in. Note witnessing scripture below.
5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of Samaritans. 6Go rather to lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[b]drive out demons.

Name of residence does not negate mission. As above.
---Trav on 9/25/09


I don't think it is satanic. I do believe it is misinterpreted.
SOme here will say that God only chose a few or God only Chose Israel and that Israel is hidden inside the gentiles. Those are wrong. Salvation is offered to Gentiles THROUGH THE SEED- JESUS CHRIST - produces by Israel. And when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, salvation will be offered to Israel.
An then the 2 shall become one in Christ.
Remember branches broken off (Israel) will be grafted back in. Gentiles(wild branch) grafted in. Both grafted to the same tree(root) which is Christ.
---miche3754 on 9/23/09


The church does not replace Israel. Israel is Almighty God's spiritual firstborn, and Gentiles are His second born.

It doesn't matter which group you "belong" to, the important part is the New Birth. John 3:3 says 'Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.' Verse 6 says 'That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.' If you want to get technical, every we're all a child of God through Adam and Eve, even the Moslims and other religions. However, they have rebelled against God the Father as have most of the Jews.

Would you accept your rebellious children back into your home after they have rejected your countless offers of forgiveness, pardon, and mercy?
---Scott on 9/22/09




In the book: THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THIS GENERATION, several text are given why the church is israel. It is not a replacement theology. There was no replacement. Here is what happened in a nutshell:
God made a new covenant with israel, That covenant is accepted by israel. All of israel who accepted are christians, the gentiles then are grafted into israel. Those jews who did not accepted the new covenant are cut off, so God did not start a new thing, he just cut off the dead branches, and put in new believeing branches.
The bible says that believing gentiles are citizens of the nation of israel. The bible says that believing gentiles share in the spiritual things of israel.
---francis on 9/21/09


No, I do not believe that is so.

All humans are God's people, and all living things are part of his family.

Only when someone attempts to undercut a dynamic love for all living things is there an attempt to change the focus from where it may most beneficially be placed.

How often do you estimate that demonic entities regularly communicate directly, overtly or covertly, with theological and other writers?
---Jenny_S. on 9/21/09


The early Christian theologians saw the New Covenant in Christ as a replacement for the Mosaic Covenant, but I don't see how that could be classed as "satanic". It is just another theological view that people can differ on such as Armenianism vs. Calvinism. I think there are many replacement theologians who are not out to "discredit" Israel or take away from the Jews being God's chosen ones. After all, many messianic Jews call themselves "completed Jews". Would you say their salvation and testimony are satanic? Heaven forbid!
---obewan on 9/21/09


No. Acts 28:28 "Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it." Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
---Betty on 9/21/09


NO I do not believe replacement theology is Satanic. Unless you believe that saying people are sinners and need to be saved by the Blood of JESUS is Satanic?

The old branches were broken off that we might be grafted in. Romans 11:17-19

The theory that they will have to go through the Wrath of GOD in order to be saved without the HOLY SPIRIT is what I find unbiblical. There is only one way to be saved and that is by Grace from GOD alone.
---Samuel on 9/21/09


"Samaritan woman at Jacobs Well, good example.
Her father Jacob...dug the well."
---Trav on 9/18/09

The children may be lost sheep but they are not strangers...

Luke 17:15-19: "And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan. And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole."
---Nana on 9/20/09


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God's people the Jews?
...yet the Canaanite woman earned his grace through her faith, (that hinted to Gentiles later).
We must reconsider, what actually did God swear to and who is ALL ISRAEL?

---Nana on 9/17/09


Nana..I know I trouble you in scripture sometimes. I don't on purpose...but, to point to a context given from Adam through prophets to Revelations.

He healed the womans daughter because she recognized the power he had and believed. He would be a liar if he broke with his original mission. He is not.
The prophet tell exactly who the sheep/people are. Judah..was not lost sheep. The remainder of Israel was.
Samaritan woman at Jacobs Well, good example.
Her father Jacob...dug the well.
---Trav on 9/18/09


We must reconsider, what actually did God swear to and who is ALL ISRAEL?
---Nana on 9/17/09

Again, Does Your Christ lie? Mine cannot. If he makes a statement he fulfills. My prophets state beforehand who is and why. Eloy, implied the self professed Judeans are Anti-Christ's today. Who knows if they are even Judean? Oh, because they say they are. Hmmm.
By no stretch.... do they make up = ALL NATIONS OF OLD IS-RA-EL anyway. Why does everyone leave other eleven out. Oh, seminary (cemetary trained) preacher/teacher instruct so. hmmm. Bow to these Anti-Christ's? Go ahead...not me.

Nthern house of ISRAEL = 20million+ dispersed. I've found some son's daughters. Probably you. Heb8:10
---Trav on 9/18/09


No. The physical nation of Israel is Not God's people, but rather God's people are those whom obey and follow God whether or not they live in Israel. God has his blessed people living in Israel, America, China, and all over the world. THe true Israel of God is the born-again Christian from God. Many Jews whom reject Christ are anti-God and antiChrist and are condemned to hell, and on the otherhand many nonJews whom accept Christ are pro-God and proChrist and are redeemed to heaven. God looks upon each single heart whether it is his or not, regardless of the souls nationality or race.
---Eloy on 9/17/09


Amen Larry.
We should not reject them.
We should be praying that they accept the Messiah- Jesus- that God sent to save them.
We should be praying that they realize he has come.
---miche3754 on 9/17/09


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God's people the Jews?

On account of Scripture and its fulfillment the Lord said, Matthew 15:24: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.", yet the Canaanite woman earned his grace through her faith, (that hinted to the Gentiles later on). Lost sheep, see Jeremiah 50. Did all the lost sheep, will all the lost sheep of today follow the calling of the shepherd? According to Christ, "many be called, but few chosen", "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." We must reconsider, what actually did God swear to and who is ALL ISRAEL?
---Nana on 9/17/09


It is sad that they believe God would reject the people that He swore would be His people forever. Christians and others who turn against the Jews will be the ones to suffer the most in the end.
---Donna66 on 9/

Because IN CHRIST we are not Jew or Gentile, Male or female, bond or free, Jew or Greek, but a completely NEW Creation In Christ....and this MYSTERY they cannot see or hear!
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09

I do not think it inconsistent that both of these sisters are correct.
---larry on 9/16/09


YES Abraham was not a jew he was a tribe within ancient Israel Rhonda***


rhonda, We're referring to the 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL!!!
With that:

Abraham was not a TRIBE of Israel
Isaac was not a TRIBE of Israel
even Jacob himself was not a TRIBE of Israel, but the father of the 12 Tribes of ISRAEL.

There was no Ancient ISRAEL before Jacob.



There are 12 Tribes consisting of the physical 12 sons of Jacob, AKA Israel.

When Paul, from the tribe of Benjamin got saved, he counted all his lineage DUNG to KNOW Christ.

Paul NEVER refers to himself as being baptized into a Spiritual tribe of Benjamin after salvatin!

He was Baptized into Christ's DEATH and resurrection life!
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09


My opinion on this is still open to more understanding, however, let me make some comments.
First, I believe Satan is more concerned with people committed to Christ than he is with unbelieving Israel.
Second, believers are grafted into the root, but not replacing the root.
Third, Israel today is still denying Christ. People are not free to try to convert Jews to Christ in Israel. That is illegal in Israel.
I am not convinced that Israel has any extra special place in the eyes of God than any other race on earth.
I just spent three weeks in Israel, my second trip. I am not anti-semtic. I believe God loves all the peoples of the world.
I have to admit, when I see Israel embrace Christ, I'll support Israel for spiritual reasons.
---Rod4Him on 9/16/09


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Because IN CHRIST we are not Jew or Gentile, Male or female, bond or free, Jew or Greek, but a completely NEW Creation In Christ....and this MYSTERY they cannot see or hear!
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09

WHEW!!!!! Amen sister!

Romans 11 says that even though Israel was broken off, if they will believe Jesus is the Christ and believe what he says and the truth, they will be graft back into the original vine.
God grafts anyone in that believe Christ.
Israel, jew and gentile. Once grafted in, no more jew, gentile, or israel. You are in Christ and will be delivered up to be "married". Amen!
They sure don't want to hear do they Kath?
---miche3754 on 9/16/09


Here's a little information to twist your mind, Abraham was not a Jew he was however the father of the Jewish people.
---mima on 9/16/09
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YES Abraham was not a jew he was a tribe within ancient Israel

many "gentile" christians cannot comprehend the lineage of physical Israel and how it applies to gentiles GRAFTED IN to Spiritual Israel

Abraham was not father of "Jewish people" HE is the father of all ...GOD GAVE HIM ALL for obeying

Abraham will rule earth under Christ at his return when Christ BINDS Satan to rule the earth ...Christ REPLACED Adam and OVERCAME the god of this world to RULE Gods Kingdom on Earth ...remember Satan TEMPTED Christ with his kingdom of governments on earth
---Rhonda on 9/16/09


The greatest scandel in all of professing Christianity is the Crusades, and the horific anti-sentimism through the RCC, and that, regardless of the reformation is STILL being promoted in the reformed churches.

Obviously they didn't reform their ways at all!



ALL those who believe in Replacememt Theology:
RCC
Covenant Calvinism Replacement Theology( believing they are one of the spiritual tribes of JACOB for all things.
JW's
Mormons
and so many more...Armstrongism etc, etc, are all enemies of teh CROSS. Why?

Because IN CHRIST we are not Jew or Gentile, Male or female, bond or free, Jew or Greek, but a completely NEW Creation In Christ....and this MYSTERY they cannot see or hear!
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09


---Cluny I have grown to love your comments such as,"Finally, a careful reading of Galatians 4:22 ff reveals that the Jews are spiritually children of Hagar the bondwoman, who do NOT inherit with the children of the free Heavenly Jerusalem."
Now while I believe this comment to be wildly off the mark I want you to know that I read again Galatians 4:22.
Here's a little information to twist your mind, Abraham was not a Jew he was however the father of the Jewish people.
---mima on 9/16/09


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Finally, a careful reading of Galatians 4:22 ff reveals that the Jews are spiritually children of Hagar the bondwoman, who do NOT inherit with the children of the free Heavenly Jerusalem.
---Cluny on 9/15/0

Cluny, Hagar's children are children born after the flesh,(self effort) not the PROMISED Child of ISAAC. Like Isaac was, so are we. Isaac nor Abraham were JEWS, and Galatians has no mention of Jacob.

Those who are above and FREE are the New Creation, where our freedom is in Jesus Christ ALONE...making us Children of promise. The Promise is the promise of the Holy Spirit and our New Birth...Birthed/begotten by God, Children of God.....

Isaac was born by a miracle....after Abraham and Sarah were both past age.
---kathr4453 on 9/16/09


It certainly COULD be.. But it looks like Satan is doing a good job of that, even without Replacement Theology!

I think most Christians don't understand HOW Israel was "chosen", or what it meant that they were chosen by God. It sounds to them like God is playing favorites, somehow. Christians want to be God's "favorites".

It is sad that they believe God would reject the people that He swore would be His people forever. Christians and others who turn against the Jews will be the ones to suffer the most in the end.
---Donna66 on 9/15/09


For Gentiles there is nothing to replace since they were never part of Israel in the first place.
---mugwump on 9/15/09


No. The statement is not, mima.

Didn't John the Baptist say things like, "God can make children for Abraham out of rocks?"

And consider the Lord's parables about the Prodigal Son (and the OT says, "Israel is My first-born son") and the workers in the vineyard (based on Isaiah 5)--concluding it by saying, "Therefore, the Kingdom of heaven is taken from you and given to a nation that bears its fruits of it."

How about, "If you were the children of Abraham, you would do the WORKS of Abraham."

Finally, a careful reading of Galatians 4:22 ff reveals that the Jews are spiritually children of Hagar the bondwoman, who do NOT inherit with the children of the free Heavenly Jerusalem.
---Cluny on 9/15/09


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John 1 v 11. Jesus came unto His own & they recieved him not. Then Jesus turned to the gentiles (that didn't replace the Jewish people with the gentile people all together, because the Jewish people still have a chance & some being saved today along with us gentiles until the door of God's Salvation plan will be closed to the gentiles. Then God WIll return to His First chosen).
Sure satan is doing his best to turn the other countries against The Jewish Nation, and is happening today.
---Lawrence on 9/15/09


Mima, your statement is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
And as a matter of fact, if you read Zechariah 14, you will see those who come against Israel God said He is going to consume.

Those who believe thy replaced Israel are in hells danger of being onthe wrong side of God's plan, and those who believe God is finished with Israel WILL in fact be those who follow anti-christ ...believing the lie that thy are teh New Israel, and will certainly be consumed with the brightness of His coming!

Worse that a nuke will hit those guys. Yet, they still scoff Mima don't they..even though God tells them their fate!
---kathr4453 on 9/15/09


Mima, you are correct.

But I think the problem goes even farther than hatred of the Jews by the world, it also causes hatred of the Jews inside the body of Christ.

Many "believers" who accept Replacement theology think that God is through with the Jews and therefore, so should they. They do not support or defend Israel, Jewish congregations, or anyone Jewish in their neighborhoods. They believe that the Jews crucified Jesus and in doing so, sealed their fate with God.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/15/09


Mima, you are very correct.
---Leslie on 9/15/09


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