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Martial Law Within Three Years

Do you believe martial law will be declared in the United States within the next three years?

Moderator - Outside of nuclear war, it's doubtful.

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Thanks Alan. Christians of all should understand the center of the universe in terms of end times in ISRAEL. The Pentagon is right to focus its efforts in that area. We have time to redeploy a BETTER system in Poland, particularly since the Patriot system will be deployed before the Bush system. This is what I do not understand by Donna and Elder, the new system actually advances the deployment date, hello?
Meanwhile Netanyahu says if the U.S. does not do something about Iraq by early next year he may act unilaterally. President Obama in this instance is correct in following the Pentagon's lead.
The martial law question has been asked previously and its so insipidly inane its unworthy of response.
---larry on 10/27/09


Larry ... Yes what is now proposed is more effective for dealing with the present threst from the Gulf.

But there is still (as Elder sees) a potential and increasing threat from Russia.

It did seem illogical to have the system in Poland, purporting to deal with the Gulf threat. Probably wasn't for that anyway! Was the US Govt honest when it claimed it was for that?

Would it not be nice if ALL powers realsied that war is destructive and wrong? Or does the world need wars to keep the population down? Perhaps that's why we have this inbuilt warlike nature?

(Now that would bew good for an evolution argument!)
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/27/09


No Elder my friend..86 the ideology, I am not blaming President Bush for anything. I was simply guiding Donna back to the land of facts. The proposed 10-missile Bush system is being replaced with a Patriot missile system because the Pentagon believes the main threat from Iraq is not the bombing of northern Europe but ISRAEL, hence the push for a sub-based Aegis system that is mobile and now CLOSER to the Persian Gulf. President Obama AGREED with the Pentagon that the Aegis system is the most effective land-based system the Navy has ever put to Sea. Did you get that?
If you believe Iraq is hatching plans to bomb Poland dream on. The rest of the world believes its ISRAEL. Sorry. >
---larry on 10/26/09


We are told there is a great potential disater waiting in the wings with SWine Flu

At present, it does not seem any more lethal than previous forms of flu.

But it is allegedly more infectious, so can spread quicker.

And it is claimed that it is likely to mutate, and return in a much more lethal form.

If that's the case, a "state of emergency" could be justified ... but martial law seems a bit drastic.

But do we know what this martial law actually entails? ... people put in camps? or just the military enrolled to set up field hospitals to ensure better availablity of the vaccines?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/26/09


More Excellent Way

how true ...FEAR will be used to establish grounds for martial law via Patriot Act

US will FALL from WITHIN ...not some outside force ...

EACH YEAR MORE THAN

40K die in auto accidents
35K die from seasonal flu (non swine) 35K commit suicide
1 million killed in abortion

these are not national emergencies

there is no "emergency" with swine flu ...there is a vaccine available

stroke of luck MORE extraordinary measures Obama has "used" to make administration MORE POWERFUL

national emergency only the front for collapse when the vaccine mysteriously has a shortage

this may not be the event for martial law maybe just a drill
---Rhonda on 10/25/09




Yesterday, Pres. Obama declared a national emergency because of the swine flu. The infections and deaths have only been estimated for more than a month now because the swine flu has overwhelmed/outpaced traditional record keeping methods (at least that's the official excuse, the numbers are probably too extreme and would cause panic).

Iowa, Massachusetts, North Carolina, and likely other states have 'forced quarantine' plans that have already passed legislation (they're ready for use).

It's not any foreign military weapons that are an immediate threat to life, it's the swine flu, the vaccines, and the quarantine plans that will cause martial law.
---more_excellent_way on 10/24/09


Larry are you concerned about the inefficient missile program? Me too.
I remember during the first Gulf war every time we fired a Patriot missile it got in a wreck with a Scud missile. Humm.... how can we blame Bush for that too.
Of course I could be missing your point. Do you want to scrap our defence while we help other rouge countries build their offence?
You need to study Davy Crockett who said, "Those who win wars are the ones who get there first with the most."
Of course our government leadership doesn't want us winning any more wars.
This you shall see and pay dearly for it.
---Elder on 10/22/09


larry-- //... the Bush missle plan.. tests were no better than 50%...Iran's fast growing to U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf.. new system for Europe will still be built but EARLIER (2015)... Pentagon has been pushing for a sea-based Aegis system for the Persian Gulf and Europe.//

Tell me again: WHICH of these is a reason for abandoning Poland and the Czech Republic?

Despite the fact that Poland and the Czech Republic have committed their soldiers to fight alongside U.S. forces in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, the message the Administration sends is clear. The United States will not stand behind its friends and views "re-setting" relations with Russia more important. Yup! Obama's imporoving our image around the world!
---Donna66 on 10/20/09


Donna you are so smart and wise.
Hey, Larry are you the cable guy we have heard so much about?
Have you noticed that you can travel anywhere in the USA by mass transit/air/rail with no fear because of what Bush got involved in.
If you like the possibility of not returning home when you travel come by and I'll lend you my Ford Pick-Up.
It's like the other poster said.... The General asked for 40,000 more troops. Now we need 40,125.
The left is meeting behind closed doors and trying to close News networks and stop free speech. Where are those who cried out when Bush wanted to listen in on overseas calls from the US just to protect our citizens?
---Elder on 10/20/09


My goodness Donna, the Bush missle plan was years away, tests were no better than 50% effective and the change led by a Bush administrative defense secretary was based on technology not some Fox news ideology.
The threat from Iran is short to medium range missiles aimed at Israel. Obama cited intelligence showing Iran's fast growing threat to U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf for the move, how can you disagree with that?
The new system for Europe will still be built but EARLIER (2015) than the 10-missile Bush system anyway.
Are you aware the Pentagon has been pushing for a sea-based Aegis system for the Persian Gulf and Europe since Obama was in the Senate? Obama aceded to the Pentagon. Praise the Lord and pass the facts please.
---larry on 10/20/09




larry--

//He saw reality at Gitmo, but Bush, McCain and Obama wanted it closed. Did you forget?// who is "he"? You didn't say.

Were you paying attention when Obama sold out the two ex-Warsaw Pact countries (Poland and the Czech Republic) to a belligerent Moscow? Bush was not aggressive against Pakistan because Pakistan is an ally NOT an enemy. The Taliban had been greatly subdued in Afghanistan (under the Bush admin.) when we went into Iraq. Remember?
Any president who bases foreign policy on pleasing those who elected him, is not deciding on the basis of reality.

If Obama is consulting with Bush the Elder, there is hope.
---Donna66 on 10/20/09


Thanks Donna, just understand fear is not fact. The left is already mad at Obama because he's too much like Bush on issues of defense. Have you been paying attention?
He saw reality at Gitmo, but Bush, McCain and Obama wanted it closed. Did you forget?
President Obama retained Bush's Defense Secretary, have you forgotten? Obama is far more aggressive against Al Queda than his predecessor in Pakistan and Afghanistan, have you been paying attention? No peacenik throws 21k more troops into Afghanistan angering the left that elected him. Obama also has a healthy relationship with Daddy Bush who is much wiser than his son.
As long as you understand fear shares no common ground with reality you'll be okay.
---larry on 10/16/09


larry - I SAID every person is unique. I have no problem with God or the variety that He created. I do think we emphasize "diversity" too much. I could have just said "united we stand, divided we fall" as a nation, and left it at that.

I do think Obama would like to disarm us i.e. I doubt he agrees with "Ronnie" who sought "peace through strength". Every president since Eisenhower wanted world disarmament. But during the "cold war" every nation with nuclear capability was afraid to use it and that kept us safe. We believed in "trust but verify"

I fear that Obama depends too much on being able to "charm" our enemies into giving up their murderous ways.
---Donna66 on 10/16/09


Donna, anything is possible for the future of America. But it is not as Janze has stated,
Professed christians must believe that their god is All Knowing and All Mighty and therefore, no force or combination of forces can defeat or even, seriously, threathen the power of God."
Our God is all knowing and Almighty and no force or combination of forces can defeat or threathen the power of God. God gets threaten by no one or no thing. Our God is Sovereign and Ruler of all. We do not believe in "Duelism"
I am with you, Janze, Kathr and others who are worried about the future of America. I don't worry about me, but about my grand children. We live in a time which is unsure for us, but not for God.
---MarkV. on 10/16/09


Donna, you say diversity is a popular term but not a constructive one? Sister, you've got a problem with God who created diversity in creation. Unity in the flesh bought us Babel, ONLY unity in faith is worth seeking.


You've also seemed to have lost your sense of history suggesting President Obama wants to disarm us vs. rid the world of nuclear weapons. This has been the hope of most all U.S. presidents.


Ronnie had many hopes for the future, and none were more important to America and to mankind than the effort to create a world free of nuclear weapons.

FYI..that quote is from Nancy Reagan.
Go with facts even when they don't fit your ideology. God bless.


---larry on 10/15/09


Shirley -- OK. I see. I was wondering if our government still COULD act in time to prevent an attack. The UN talks about wanting to stop nuclear proliferation and Obama has this as one of his goals...but our enemies continue to build and test nuclear weapons. It seems to put us in a very weak position.
Yes, the Lord surely could allow a nuclear attack on American soil. I pray it doesn't come to that.
---Donna66 on 10/15/09


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I think our government would act in time to prevent a nuclear war.If they don't most of us will be destroyed instantly.Any survivors will exist in a dog eat dog survival of the strongest enviornment unless they die from nuclear fallout.So life as we know it will end.I don't think God will permit this but if we the USA don't repent and turn from our wicked ways HE might.
---shirley on 10/15/09


shirley---What makes you sure that we won't have nuclear war in the USA? Or "the USA as we know it won't be here" what does that mean?
Can you elaborate?
---Donna66 on 10/15/09


As for me, I will not correspond with you again. You do not want to honestly share along the christian walk, so I will share with others who do.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/15/09

You are correct. We are not plowing together...our scripture is different. Your walk...is approved ...but by whom? The world. Scary to me.

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Colossians 4:5
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
(Not very good at this personally speaking, sorry)
16.Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
---Trav on 10/15/09


It is notable that you label each one either by UNIQUE race or nation.
---Trav on 10/14/09

For your benefit only. I see them as my friends and family.

It seems that all you want to do is fight and argue. Please do it with someone else. Perhaps you and Steveng should go somewhere else and discuss why you dislike people and why he dislikes churches. You seem most suited to him.

As for me, I will not correspond with you again. You do not want to honestly share along the christian walk, so I will share with others who do.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/15/09


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I think it is very doubtful and if we have nuclear war the USA as we know it won't be here.
---shirley on 10/14/09


IMHO...(I'll probably rub somebody the wrong way) But I think the sooner we quit use of "hyphenated"-American, the better for our country. Whatever your heritage or color, if you are an American, you are an AMERICAN, period.

Those that have done best in the United States have NOT been those that stressed their "uniqueness". They have been the ones who emphasized the things they had in common with other Americans. This is true in any nation.
"Diversity" is a popular term, but to me not a constructive one. Although each American is unique for a variety of reasons. I'd like to see us stress "unity", rather than "diversity"...with race or former nationality, a minor secondary detail.
---Donna66 on 10/14/09


Didn't we just have this blog question last week? Anyway, it doesn't matter if we have martial law or an antichrist or a magnitude nine earthquake. If we go into it in Christ, we will come out the other side in Christ. Jesus tells us not to worry, so let's not.
---mugwump on 9/20/09

Ah mugwump, the voice of reason. Yes, some questions are so absurd I must assume the motive is sophistry (argue to raise an argument). The question above is improbable in 3-years for even Afghanistan.
It sounds like Jim Bakker nonsense.
---larry on 10/14/09


Where is the experimenting in that? This is real life, without borders, without color. Loving people because Jesus told us to do it.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/13/09

I'm no different I love em too for their UNIQUE differences. They are GOD's specials. So am I, an mine.
They should love me too.
It is notable that you label each one either by UNIQUE race or nation. Think they are not proud of their own. You boast what an understanding guy you are, Wow. Such a large,gracious and open minded person. Genesis 24:7
The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land, ...
---Trav on 10/14/09


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They are not social-listic experimenters like yourself and many.
---Trav on 10/12/09

I will get "James" on you and say show me your faith and I will show you my works.

I married a Hispanic lady. My best fiend is a black man. My christian accountability partner is an Asian man. My workout partner is from Uruguay, my old workout partner was from Guyana. I have close friends from Ukarane, Romania, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. All of these people have been to my house and I have been to theirs.

Where is the experimenting in that? This is real life, without borders, without color. Loving people because Jesus told us to do it.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/13/09


interesting, since I'm WASP.

Thank you for proving my point.
---NurseRobert on 10/9/09
Your welcome.
Seems to be my mission in life. Proving peoples points are not found when searched as scriptural points. Happened to me several(13) years ago.

So you're a WASP. Not by any mark I've seen. Heb 8:10. Strange critter, Wasp. They build those little paper nest and seal their larvae until the spring. Touchy little bugs, single minded. No plague at my home though. My sting is fatal to em.
Do you belong to the nation of WASP. As Googled? Notice they are having a meeting of Hellions soon. No Really. What the site says.
---Trav on 10/13/09


The latest information I've heard from doctors is that Swine flu is now weaker than it was. It's still a good idea to get vaccinated, especially for children and young people.

Quarantine was fairly common in the US when I was young. It was nothing resembling martial law.

We were "forced" into quarentine when my brother had sacarlet fever. Like swine flu, there was no cure for scarlet fever. They put a sign on the front door and no body was allowed to to leave or enter until he was well. My father moved into a hotel so he could continue his job.
---Donna66 on 10/12/09


The U.S. Center for disease Control (CDC) has authorized each state government to make emergency plans to quarantine anybody who has the swine flu (INVOLUNTARY quarantine).

Iowa, Florida, North Carolina, and Massachussetts have already made plans for the forced isolation of tens of thousands of people that the state thinks might be a risk (at the governor's discretion,...martial law).

How many months/weeks are there until the swine flu strikes millions that don't have jobs and can't afford to stay healthy?.

Are you going to continue to play prideful games as 'master scholar' or will you now get serious with God?
---more_excellent_way on 10/12/09


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I would suggest you find someone of another race, befriend them, invite them home, and learn to love like Jesus did.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/10/09

I have many. They feel as I do. They are not social-listic experimenters like yourself and many. They honor their their fathers. I honor mine.
You honor you know not what....yet.
---Trav on 10/12/09


GOD created/separated us special for his own purposes.
---Trav on 10/8/09

What???

Can you honestly say you believe that?

Separated whom? White/black, Jews/Gentiles, Christian/Muslim???

If you believe in separation, you do not know my God or Jesus His Son. He is no respector of persons. He has given His Son to all men, all people, everywhere, in every place.

I would suggest you find someone of another race, befriend them, invite them home, and learn to love like Jesus did.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/10/09


Actually you by ur measure...your as partial to yours as me to mine.

interesting, since I'm WASP.

GOD created/separated us special for his own purposes. To universalise is not scriptural. Actually against. ---Trav on 10/8/09

Thank you for proving my point.
---NurseRobert on 10/9/09


So then, who's the racist?
And if your going to insult someone, do it right... the term currently used is Obamanation, not Abamanation.
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09

Actually you by ur measure...your as partial to yours as me to mine.
Thanks, on name see you've adopted it. He's got so many names I can't keep them straight. Evil probably the shortest for me.

GOD created/separated us special for his own purposes. To universalise is not scriptural. Actually against. Your word ploy "racist" is worn/found out. Good for a laugh though.
---Trav on 10/8/09


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I would have left people where they belong. In their own,with their own.
---Trav on 10/7/09

Isn't that what the segregationists have been saying for the last 150 years? So then, who's the racist?

And if your going to insult someone, do it right... the term currently used is Obamanation, not Abamanation.
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09


With your misuse of scripture, I can picture you as a slave owner back when it was "legal".
Seldom do I question the Christianity of the people on this site, but with you, I make an exception.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09

You got the wrong picture. I would have left people where they belong. In their own,with their own.
I'm relieved actually you feel that way about my Christianity. If you approved would mean I'm for the things scripture condemns. We've concluded who you lockstep with your religion is much closer to muslim, as witnessed by your love and unwavering defense for the abamanation. A confirmed racist, which tells us other things.
---Trav on 10/7/09


BUT,
On September 25, 2009 from 4am until 7pm, a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion will be held on Capitol Hill, beside the White House.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09

And your point is what? This was started by "New Jersey lawyer who is organizing the event says its to show "we love America." What does this have to do with the Government? NOT ONE THING...

Anyone can claim a National Day of Prayer for anything... As we said in the Army... It don't mean nothin....
---NurseRobert on 10/1/09


kathr4453 -
Your facts are correct. I noticed this too, but heard nobody publically mention it.
Guess who he REALLY cares about not offending--the Muslims or the Christians?
---Donna66 on 9/28/09

Donna66, wow, that is stranger than a science fiction novel, that he can so blatently decide this.

Are we really to roll over and play dead?

Well, when Paul was illegally thrown into a Roman Prison without due process of law...he took the jailers to the mat.

Yes, there are times we do need to speak out. Make those times COUNT..and pick what is most important.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


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kathr4453 -
Your facts are correct. I noticed this too, but heard nobody publically mention it.
Guess who he REALLY cares about not offending--the Muslims or the Christians?
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


Donna66..Good one!!! Now to boost the economy too, Obama is selling some swamp land in Florida....

Can anyone verify this fact?

This year 2009, President Obama, decided to cancel the ceremony, National Day of Prayer at the White House not wanting to offend anyone.


BUT,
On September 25, 2009 from 4am until 7pm, a National Day of Prayer for the Muslim religion will be held on Capitol Hill, beside the White House.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/09


More excellent way--
// Because of the economy, unemployment, swine flu, and the millions of people who plan not to pay taxes, there will be social unrest, .
This is only speculation/guessing,...nobody knows the future, but even the government thinks it is inevitable for the near future//

NO,Wait! I hear the recession is OVER! And THOUSANDS of jobs have been created! That's the latest out of Washington.
Not paying taxes is no big deal...just ask Geitner, Rangel etc. As for swine flu...the government just has to find a way of making all the stupid public (who never know what's good for themselves) take the vaccine.
Probably, Obama will be giving a SWINE FLU speech on national TV (except fox) soon!
---Donna66 on 9/26/09


Yes! If people don't start standing up for their rights. Freedom of religion is slowly being corroded. So is ones rights to assemble. Freedom of speech also under attack, and all over this world. Freedoms should not be only for the powerful....NO!
---catherine on 9/25/09

AMEN catherine.

Ya know, it won't be long before it will be illegal to even speak the Gospel in this country.
---kathr4453 on 9/26/09


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The "Posse Commatitus Act" has been in place for more than 100 years and prevents the U.S. military from replacing the peace officers and local laws of any locality (in other words, the National Guard can only ASSIST the police in emergency WITH PERMISSION if/when requested).

Northcomm was activated on American soil earlier this year to prepare for civil unrest (and they will no longer need permission from the states).

Because of the economy, unemployment, swine flu, and the millions of people who plan not to pay taxes, there will be social unrest, but WHEN is another question.

This is only speculation/guessing,...nobody knows the future, but even the government thinks it is inevitable for the near future.
---more_excellent_way on 9/25/09


Yes! If people don't start standing up for their rights. Freedom of religion is slowly being corroded. So is ones rights to assemble. Freedom of speech also under attack, and all over this world. Freedoms should not be only for the powerful....NO!
---catherine on 9/25/09


If USA is being destroyed, it is being destroyed by Americans within America. And the fact is, Americans have been doing just that for decades.
---Janze on 9/25/09

I see that another way.
The Bible says GOD raises up and tears down according to HIS Plans and purpose.

Will God give us enough rope to hang ourselves?

The days are EVIL friends..including America.
All the warning shots are there.

2nd Timothy 3 INCLUDES America...hello!
---kathr4453 on 9/25/09


Yes Janze! Some do what they do just for the "affect". :/

Like the former Roman Empire, the U.S. is politically decadent & morally corrupt. We've been on a slippery slope for decades. Many of our politicians are more concerned with their party(capitol gang) & corporate special interest group agendas than with doing the will of the people who elected them.

Lawlessness permeats the public school system since corporal punishment (discipline) & God's Ten Commandments were outlawed. School leaders, etc., thinks it's best to teach children to use condoms & not to be homophobic rather than teach them how to read, write, do basic math & become U.S. Constitution literate, productive citizens in our society.
---Leon on 9/25/09


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I am not trying to cause offence, but some of the ideas expressed on this medium seem to be expressed merely for their effects on readers rather than for their degree of accuracy or reality.

Professed christians must believe that their god is All Knowing and All Mighty and therefore, no force or combination of forces can defeat or even, seriously, threathen the power of God.

If USA is being destroyed, it is being destroyed by Americans within America. And the fact is, Americans have been doing just that for decades.
---Janze on 9/25/09


More excellent way --
I saw the video of a kindergarten singing about Obama. I know nothing about any kind of pledge.
What was most disturbing was their singing the tune of "Jesus Loves the Little Children" with the name Obama substituted for Jesus. The same song with the name Jesus would be illegal.It's fine to teach respect for the presidency...but this is over the line.

Where did you hear about a new pledge for the military? That's hard for me to imagine.
---Donna66 on 9/24/09


Leon -- Are you seeing a lot of fear in these
comments? I don't. Speculation? yes Fear? no.
---Donna66 on 9/24/09


The school kids in Burlington, NJ are taught to praise Obama (no doubt the same is being taught all over America).

Look up the "Fox News Debate Over "I Pledge Obama" Video" at youtube. The military will have a new pledge also.

The Army's "Northern Command" (Northcom) has been established on American soil to prepare for social unrest.

Still, many 'pie in the sky' christians rather remain naive and oblivious to reality (a Dr. Feelgood euphoria). The wise and sincere will not care about 'WHEN', but will realize that time is short and the DEPTHS of God will reveal the TRUTH about The Lord (beware of propoganda).
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/09


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Vince6854-- I can easily imagine just what you are saying, and mostly agree with you...but I'm not as cetain as you are regarding WHEN all this will come to pass.

We will se what happens in Washington...if there is a change there and in the hearts of many people, some of this may be delayed. (That's my prayer, anyway).
---Donna66 on 9/23/09


Martial law WILL BE sooner,then a "dictator" can give up our sovereignty to the world government.Its an "agenda" thats been in the works for a long time. No matter what-the world government will be.Its in the Bible.what you see+mostly what you arent "allowed" to see because of media control has to happen.The only obstacle to the world government is the United States.We were too strong+had to be broken so the world gov. could gain its power. If you notice + in Jesus name -are one of those that can really see the truth then you will notice how one "attack" after another on the economy,healthcare,Constitution,God, is being done to acquire the "agenda"==Stay with the only true Lord Vince
---Vince6854 on 9/23/09


Susie B -- Paronoid? Not me.
I summerized concerns expressed by others in response to the original question.

Cluny- there is no direct relationship.
It's where the previous blog ended up when it closed. I was hoping to continue a discussion I started there with Strongaxe. He objected to tort reform, but I guess he's dropped his argument, since he hasn't responded. Tort reform has decreased the cost of medical care in the states where it has been tried...and at negligible expense.
It's not being considered by the adminisration because the trial lawyers would pitch a fit!
---Donna66 on 9/22/09


"Outside of nuclear war, it's doubtful." Moderator...

I agree with the moderator & would like to add, short of a grave national crisis (like massive citizen insurrection), it's Constitutionally impossible to impose nationwide martial law.

Donna:

"...God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Tim 1:7

---Leon on 9/22/09


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One of the most alarming things as state tyranny begins to take control is the total lack of any awareness on the part of the citizenry.
As the German said, yes I know they picked up my Jewish neighbor but they didn't bother me!!!
When martial law will be declared is up in the air. But the groundwork for such an operation is being put in place today.
In my opinion there are many people reading this blog who will see themselves subject to being rounded up are forced to conform to the states wishes!!
Notice how a penetrating question by Donna raises so much flak!
---mima on 9/22/09


the patriot act was started with bush.

it is ironic that right wing people supported bush regarding the patriot act but when it was extended by obama, right wing people say that obama will declare 'martial law'.

come on!!!!!
---mike on 9/22/09


Donna...Are you getting paranoid?
---SusieB on 9/21/09


There were various concerns that generated the original question.
Some were concerned about government powers granted by the "Patriot Act".
Some were alarmed by BHO's expressed desire for "a civilian defense force as large as the military"
A few were worried about militarily inclined "subversive hate groups" bent on creating chaos in the US.

The discussion "morphed" into a political one, and eventually, one on health care reform.
---Donna66 on 9/21/09


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Now, Donna, can you please show how tort reform, lex talionis, and martial law are connected?
---Cluny on 9/21/09


Cluny--Our court system, too, provides compensatory damages...payment of any medical bills or health care bills for years to come if they result from the injury...also lost wages now or projected in the future.
Punitive damages encourage doctors to practice defensive medicine. But other patients, guilty of no wrongdoing, are the ones who ultimately pay for malpractice insurance (premiums may be 100,000
dollars per mo. per physician). Their doctor and hospital bills directly reflect this cost.

Elimination of "pain and suffering" awards, which do nothing to alleviate pain and suffering...and also "punitive" damages, which produce little punishment, could save millions in health care dollars to the consumer.
---Donna66 on 9/21/09


to the person who posted this question.

what is your basis for the gov't to declare martial law. just bec. the gov't passed a law, it is perceived that your rights will be taken away.
---mike on 9/21/09


\\ Re: TORT Reform
Strongaxe gave an interesting defense of "punitive" damages (which I called useless) as Biblical, according to the OT law "an eye for an eye".\\

As a matter of fact, most experts on Judaism say that the lex talionis was not only to limit vendetta, but to provide for compensatory damages, because there is no mechanism in Jewish law in the Talmud or elsewhere to commit judicially sanctioned mayhem.
---Cluny on 9/21/09


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For MOST "christians" (the 'climbing sheep', John 10:1), it really serves no useful purpose to be concerned about martial law, but for the wise, it is a good warning that all of the prideful habits of treating scripture like a crossword puzzle to be navigated successfully in order to win the "christian of the year" award should end (we all need to get serious and learn the "depths of God").

The economy will likely get bad enough within six months to cause widespread rioting.

The swine flu will likely cause rioting before that.

Some generals want us in Afghanistan for the next 10 to 40 years (more costly than Iraq).

It is time to get serious with God and stop all the games.
---more_excellent_way on 9/21/09


Didn't we just have this blog question last week? Anyway, it doesn't matter if we have martial law or an antichrist or a magnitude nine earthquake. If we go into it in Christ, we will come out the other side in Christ. Jesus tells us not to worry, so let's not.
---mugwump on 9/20/09


Like the moderator, I doubt it.

I continued this blog so that I could continue my conversation with Strongaxe, or anyone else who is interested, about Tort reform as a way to cut the expense of medical care for everyone.

You may think that a malpractice suit punishes the physician or hospital. It doesn't, as much we'd like to think. Doctors pay as much as 100,000 dollars a year for malpractice insurance. They cover the expense by what they charge patients or patients' insurance. If courts awarded only present and projected monetary losses, it would not deprive the injured plaintiff in a malpractice suit at all... but might well mean an average family could afford their own medical care.
---Donna66 on 9/20/09


Re: TORT Reform
Strongaxe gave an interesting defense of "punitive" damages (which I called useless) as Biblical, according to the OT law "an eye for an eye".

That is the very rationale used for the death penalty for murder, "a life for a life". After all, there is no monetary compensation for loss of life.

But in malpractice suits, as I said, "punitive" damages ultimately punish other ill people more than care providers. We could cause paralysis of a drunk driver who caused the accident that paralysed another driver. It wouldn't help the original victim...and we'd have TWO paralysed patients, instead of one.

Luckily, in Moses' day, everybody paid their own medical bills.
---Donna66 on 9/20/09


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No, I don't.

Now, why are you asking this three-year time frame?

And whether it is or is not, what does it have to do with Christianity?
---Cluny on 9/20/09


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