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Can We Suffer After Death

Can we Sufer after death? Romans 5:12. Then is it reasonable to believe that people suffer in hellfire for their sins, when Adam, who brought death upon mankind became dust after dying?- 1Cor. 15:22

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Regarding the Dead being "alive" in Hell. Research about American POWs from World War II, who were in prison camps under the Nazis or the Japanese. These men lived in sweltering hot temperatures. Bitterly cold temps at night. Cramped in quarters too small for a crowd of men. Lack of real sleep. They were deprived of decent food. They were fed watery soup of rotten vegetables and worms. No clean drinking water. The constant odor of filthy human sweat, urine and feces. Regularly beaten and tortured at any moment without mercy by their Japanese or German captors. Some men would go insane or angry as a result of this daily GRIND for months or YEARS. These men would call this DEATH, even though they were "alive"!
---Gordon on 10/9/09


Samuel, separation from God is no relationship with Him. Anyone who knows the nature of God realizes that God is Omnipresent. They might explain their answer not realizing He is everwhere at every time.
On Immortality of the soul,
"Who will render to each one according to his deeds, Eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality" Rom. 2:6,7.
Again in the final victory in the twinkling of an eye, 1 Cor. 15:53, "For this corruptable must put on in incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
---MarkV. on 10/9/09


Samuel, Yes, GOD is everywhere, even in Hell. But, His Presence in Hell is not like His Presence in Heaven, where His Throne is. His Presence in Hell is expressed by His Wrath. The very Fires of Hell are ignited by His Wrath. The inhabitants of Hell do experience GOD's Presence, but ONLY His Wrath. His Grace for them was cut off at the time of their death. Which is why the Bible says that TODAY is the day of Salvation. Soul immortality is not stated in a "single Verse". But, it's implication is rampant in Scripture. That's why we're to dig into Scripture, like digging for buried treasure, for answers that we presently don't see. Man's soul is immortal from the time it's first created. Unlike GOD, Who is Immortal since Eternity Past.
---Gordon on 10/9/09


Christ suffered for all mankind, or was His suffering not good enough to take away the penalty of sin? Most who believe they or others will suffer for sin, dont believe in the power of the Cross. HE came to put away sin. A true Christian knows and believes this as fact.
---duane on 10/8/09


You are right Gordan all need to pray and study different scriptures by the prophets on the topic.

We need to comapare all scripture not just pick a few. For instance many say that we have an immortal soul. But Scripture does not say that. Others say the dead are away from the presence of GOD. But David wrote that GOD is everywhere including hell. Since you do not like what Adventist write read the Fire That Consumes by Fudge a nonsda Scholar.
---Samuel on 10/8/09




samuel (10-6)- Matthew 25:46 Jesus Christ said, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment...." Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night ...." They could not be experiencing everlasting punishment if they are dead & know nothing. What if you believe that you can suffer in hell for eternity & then you don't go. You've lost nothing. If you go, you'll wish you believed that hell torments the wicked forever.
---Betty on 10/8/09


rhonda (10-7) John 5:28,29 Jesus Christ said, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice. And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
---Betty on 10/8/09


Samuel, separation from God means no relationship with Him. In fact God is Omnipresent and is everywhere and will be their in the presence of the wicked in hell. In fact He will be there with His ever burning wrath. The Bible clearly teaches that the punishment is eternal. The same word is use for eternal life and eternal death. Punishment implies pain.
Mere annihilation, which some have lobbied for, like you and others involves no pain. Wicked men will hereafter earnestly wish to be turned to nothing and forever cease to be that they may escape the wrath of God"
---MarkV. on 10/8/09


Rhonda, The belief of "Annihilation of the Damned" is ALSO by implication. When we have plenty of Scripture that shows where people are WARNED against being "cast into Everlasting Fire", and, to not be "cast into Hell, where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched". These Verses do not indicate an eventual state of a "pain free non-existence"! "The Dead know nothing" MEANS that whatever knowledge the Dead have does not contribute ANYTHING to the living who are left behind on Earth. And, they do not know about the events and happenings that are occuring on Earth, after they've died. So, to us who are left behind and are still living on Earth- They, the Dead, "know nothing".
---Gordon on 10/8/09


Ama9947, It was Adam's physical body that returned to the dust. Because, it was his physical body that was made from the dust of the Earth. From dust the body came, to dust it will return. But, his soul was not made of dust. GOD breathed Adam's soul into his physical body, and his body became a living functional human body. That's why, when the physical body completely stops functioning, or "dies", the soul of the man (or woman) that inhabited the body leaves, and passes on to Heaven or Hell. A soul has no purpose in staying in a decaying, worm-infested body. GOD takes the soul of a "dead" Saint immediately to Heaven. And, the soul of the unsaved one goes straight down to Hell, at death.
---Gordon on 10/8/09




1st, The answer is not in one simple little Bible Verse. It's by knowing different parts of Scripture. You have Teachers and Prophets (Ephesians 4:11-12) who GOD's raised up with understanding, to teach other Saints these truths. GOD has taken people to Heaven, Hell and to the Lake of Fire and back. (Sorry if you don't believe that, but, that is your personal choice.) One simply must know the Scriptures and pray for the Guidance and Understanding by the HOLY SPIRIT. YAHUSHUA is telling us in Luke 16, what happens after Death. But, you don't understand. Mark 9 tells what happens to the lost. But, you don't get it. Nothing I can show you will convince you. PRAY and PRAY and PRAY to the HOLY SPIRIT for understanding of what I've mentioned thus far.
---Gordon on 10/8/09


Samuel, when the wicked die physically without Christ, the death that they will receive is complete spiritual death, never to be united with Christ, separation from God. But that is not all, they will receive their new bodies and they will feel pain for what they have done in life, and as I said, there will be no cruelty there. Each will get what they have coming. MarkV.

They have to suffer spiritual death here to go to hell in the first place. My Bible teaches GOD is everywhere. Are you saying He is not? To escape the presense of GOD you have to cease to exist. Is not torture without end cruel? How then if all recieve the same punishment for different sins fair?
---Samuel on 10/7/09


Gordon, You could save all those "capitals" by simply showing me where the bible says that the "soul " leaves the body at death.
Now is that too much to ask??
With all those capitals you obviously know where to look. In all my bible versions I can't find it!!
Waiting......
---1st_cliff on 10/7/09


Rhonda we are not told what kind of bodies the wicked will be resurrected with. Revelation 20 speaks of their resrurrection but does not describe it in much detail.
All we can know for sure is that in order to enter the lake of fire they have to be resurrected. The dead are currently asleep in the grave. No bodies no feeling no thoughts.

But that the will die in the lake of fire is shown by the term second death.

Born once die twice. Born twice die once.
---Samuel on 10/7/09


But that is not all, they will receive their new bodies and they will feel pain for what they have done in life,
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Fascinating

Where in Gods Word does it say the sinner receives a "new body"?

where does it say the sinner will be ALIVE?

CAREFUL now ...don't IMPLY or ADD to verses to make it say what you are simply TOLD by deceived men Prov 30:5-6
---Rhonda on 10/7/09


Samuel, when the wicked die physically without Christ, the death that they will receive is complete spiritual death, never to be united with Christ, separation from God. But that is not all, they will receive their new bodies and they will feel pain for what they have done in life, and as I said, there will be no cruelty there. Each will get what they have coming.
Spiritual life, is what all genuine believers already have and will continue to have for all eternity. Union with Christ. While alive we are in union with Christ and after our physical death we will continue to be in union with the Lord with our new bodies.
---MarkV. on 10/6/09


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Rhonda, the only reason you and others do not believe in hell is the very reason you do not believe in re-birth. Markv

I believe in and teach the rebirth so that answer does not fit me. I am Born again. I believe in a hell hot enough to destroy the wicked.

Bible tells us we will all receive new bodies, some prepared for heaven and some prepared for hell. The body prepared for hell will feel pain. MarkV.

Agreed. But the body prepared for hell is to suffer the second death. It is not eternal life. Also do not tell me that a dead person is alive. That does not make sense.

God is incapable of inflicting an unjust punishment. MarlV

Agreed. JESUS said the wages of sin is death not eternal life in torment.
---Samuel on 10/6/09


Rhonda, the only reason you and others do not believe in hell is the very reason you do not believe in re-birth. Because if you did you would understand that God puts His spirit in you, and the new believer is alive to Christ spiritually not in the flesh. But that spiritual realm you will not go, in order to argue for no hell. Bible tells us we will all receive new bodies, some prepared for heaven and some prepared for hell. The body prepared for hell will feel pain. You also say that God would be a mean God, but in hell there is no cruelty. Cruelty involves inflicting a punishment that is more severe or harsh than the crime. God is incapable of inflicting an unjust punishment.
---MarkV. on 10/6/09


duane (10-3) - Some people are so stupid they reject Jesus Christ and find Him unnecessary in their lives, but torment in hell makes them think twice. God said Hell will burn forever, and He meant it. Wicked ones go there and will burn forever.
---Betty on 10/5/09


Gordon (10-2)- You're right about that. I think some people are going to be sorry they're so carefree in criticizing God. Those kind of people desperately need the fear of God in them. Psalm 111:10 says that the fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. I think some Christians need to stop thinking God is their friend, and realize He is their God and their Judge. I read your posts all the way up to today - you're doing a great job laying out the facts.
---Betty on 10/5/09


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Gordon

AMAZING

you are literally hell-bent on SERVING mens idea's about a place called hell the heathen devised and Dante made into a colorful fearful poem depicting a monster god

YOU HAVE 5 separate posts of wordy drivel and NOT ONE WORD From Gods Holy Word

the PARABLE of Lazarus and the Rich Man does not say heaven or hell AGAIN you are SO BLIND 2Thess 2:11 you cannot see how YOU IMPLY this idea APART from Holy Word of God Prov 30:5-6
---Rhonda on 10/5/09


Rhonda, WHERE does the Bible say that the dead shall be "as if they never were"? Where is THAT in the Bible? WHERE? Where does it say anywhere in the Scriptures that the Dead will be as if they never were? YAHUSHUA gives us a clear account of a Rich Man in Hell, and a poor beggar "Lazarus" in the Bosom of Abraham (Paradise), all in Luke 16. A Rich Man in Hell who was so tormented in a FLAME so hot, that even a mere drop of water would've made a noticable difference to the tormented man. In Hell, alive in Hell, RIGHT AFTER he died, YAHUSHUA says. YAHUSHUA (JESUS) gave this Story, in the Holy Scriptures.
---Gordon on 10/5/09


1st Cliff, Regarding Luke 16: The Rich Man was in HELL. Hell is called "Hades" in the Greek. CHECK A CONCORDANCE. "Hades" not only means "grave", it ALSO means "HELL". The place of DEPARTED SOULS. Not "DEPARTED FLESH-AND-BLOOD DEAD BODIES". But, DEPARTED SOULS. At Death, the soul of a unsaved man LEAVES his dead physical body and that soul and spirit of the man goes to the "Place of DEPARTED SOULS" for the unsaved, that is, HELL. (Or, what is called HADES in the Greek language. Different language SAME PLACE.)
---Gordon on 10/5/09


Samuel, Man is made up of THREE PARTS: Physical body, soul, and a spirit. EACH DIES IN A DIFFERENT WAY. And, until one sees that, they'll never understand GOD's Word concerning Death and Judgment. As for Matthew 22:3---Right! GOD is NOT the God of the Dead (the Damned in Hell and those who are unsaved, living on Earth) for they do not know Him, they do not follow Him, nor do they worship Him. GOD is their Creator, but, not their God. But, GOD indeed IS the God of the Living, that is, the Saints who now dwell on Earth and of those who now dwell in Heaven. Again, GOD is not the God of the Dead (the unsaved and ungodly of humanity), He is only the God of the Living (righteous Saints full of New Life).
---Gordon on 10/5/09


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Samuel, GOD is not "too weak" to annihilate the soul of a man into non-existence. It's that He has chosen, as His own design, to create mankind with a soul that will live on throughout Eternity, from the point in time at which it was first created. The soul of a man shall live on in Heaven, or in Hell and the Lake of Fire.
---Gordon on 10/5/09


Rhonda, It is the DEVIL that says that there is no literal burning Hell for the souls of the Damned. Because he knows that mankind is born in sin, with a bent toward sin. He knows that sinful, lustful desires are a weakness to man. Both saved and unsaved. The saved also are constantly tempted with lusts of all kinds to sin. Satan knows that mankind is inclined to do the easy way of sin, rather than the hard way of righteousness. So, he tells some people that "Hell does not exist!" So that people will not be afraid so much to sin. They will not think Holiness is a big deal. They will then get entagled all the more into sin, which will ultimately lead them to the very Hell that they were willing to believe that "did not exist".
---Gordon on 10/5/09


...false view of GOD that stems from a person's misunderstanding of what GOD is really like. They do not know the whole Scriptures
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which "whole" scriptures considering much of scripture is ignored or dismissed to "prove YOUR point" apart FROM Gods Word ...DISMISSING plain truth of Holy Word of God to SERVE traditions of men Mark 7:6-9 - ties in perfectly with 2Corin 4:4

WHICH GOD?

Biblical Father in Heaven is a DIVINE God FULL of mercy who says DEAD shall NOT live ...as if they NEVER WERE ...DESTROY BOTH body and soul

monster god of this world 2Corin 4:4 and those who serve ANOTHER Jesus 2Corin 11:4 ADD their OWN Words that dead are "really alive" IGNORE GODS WARNING Prov 30:5-6
---Rhonda on 10/4/09


Someone mentioned, the people that die are dead and asleep. And the complain is that if they are alive God is an aweful God for torchering them in hell, even though they have rebelled against Christ.
Yet your conclusion is that these people are dead, but asleep and God wakes them up or brings them to life to kill them. He would have to in order to make a statement. He could have just left them there dead asleep. What difference does it make? To whom does God have to answer to?
No matter how you color it, there is a hell. "And many will be going there and many are there already. They will feel pain, they will wish that God would have taken away that free will that many of you preach, so that they too could be saved.
---MarkV. on 10/3/09


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The wages of sin is death. Lets just leave it at that.
What did the Cross do for all mankind?
We should be proclaiming the Cross of Christ, instead we talk of torture for sinners. While we were yet sinners HE died for us. Lets proclaim the good news which is God loves us.
---duane on 10/3/09


Hell part 2: Those in hell will say, Lord, why didn't you take away my free will? I would have rather not had it for it brought me here". You should have intervened in my life. Thats for the one's who believe in free will.
Jesus spoke of hell more then any other in Scripture. The teaching of any other gospel without hell is avoiding the gospel of Christ. The Bible describes hell as a place of outer darkness, a lake of fire, a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, a place of eternal separation from the blessings of God, a prison, a place of torment where the worm doesn't die. This are graphic images and symbols, but we can find no relief for symbols conclude the reality is worse than the symbol suggest.
---MarkV. on 10/3/09


I believe Helen is correct.

"---helen on 10/1/09"

At any rate what a exciting future we face if we have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ.
If we have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ we can look forward to an eternal torment. Remember the greatest remorse of all is that which might have been!!!! Make certain of your salvation this very day.
---mima on 10/3/09


all good things
---Globals on 10/2/09


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Betty, What does John have to do with the Rich man and Lazerus????
---1st_cliff on 10/2/09


1stCliff old boy you are getting ahead of yourself there. What I said is there is a place called hell, obviously. I didn't mention the details did I!

I know what Scripture says and like others, feel that the toasting forever deal seems to be inconsistent with the nature of our loving God. Nonetheless hell gets bad press and we have no need to visit. No one does. Get the other bus!
---Warwick on 10/2/09


While I cannot speak for Rhonda I believe that like me she believes in Condtionalism. In other words the wicked will be destroyed and cease to exist. After all GOD is powerful enough to destroy the wicked. Unlike some who teach GOD is to weak to destroy a soul.
---Samuel on 10/2/09


Betty and Helen, the statements you both made were as true as True can be. It's hard Truth, because, nobody, at least, no true Saint of GOD, including GOD Himself, wants to see anyone end up in Hell. What some don't understand is, is that just because GOD destroys a person's body and soul in Hell, it does not mean that He "enjoys" it. Some say that (if) GOD sends people to Hell, or ALLOWS them to be eternally tormented in Hell and in the Lake of Fire, then, He's a TYRANT, a cruel tyrant who gets his jolly's out of seeing people suffering and roasting in Hell. But, that is a false view of GOD that stems from a person's misunderstanding of what GOD is really like. They do not know the whole Scriptures.
---Gordon on 10/2/09


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Separation from God at anytime is suffering whether it is now or into eternity. When our physical body dies our soul enters eternity. If separation from God happens then we have no way of changing the outcome of our denial of Christ. Yes we can suffer after physical death.
---Sierra on 10/2/09


Rhonda, Do I understand right that you have earlier stated that eventually everyone will be saved? If GOD knows that everyone will be saved, none to perish, He would not have had to put Verses in the Scriptures that warn against ending up in Hell and in the Lake of Fire. Like in Mark 9, Matthew 18 and in Revelation 19. He would not have said what He said in John 3:16 through 36. GOD's Love includes Wrath. For, He declares that He will indeed take Vengeance on all those who do evil, both man and angel. If Hell was not a real place in which one could be cast into, then, why did YAHUSHUA (JESUS) admonish us to "cut off" (figuratively) body parts that cause us to sin, so that we would not be cast into Everlasting Fire? Matt. 18:8
---Gordon on 10/2/09


Rhonda, What I did was "explained" the Scriptures
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Gordon you poor dear sweet man ...if you cannot comprehend how you ADDED the idea that the dead are alive than you are far more blind than scripture indicates

you may live in your deception ...I understand Gods Warning quiet clearly ...my suggestion would be to meditate on that warning before you give out opinion and an explanation that is VOID of Gods Holy Word

AGAIN you have IMPLIED the dead are alive which is ANTICHRIST to HOLY Word of God ...your explanation has ADDED this idea
---Rhonda on 10/1/09


rhonda (9-27) - God made a hell, and He's been using it to put wicked ones in it for ages. After the Judgment, the bodies of the wicked will go to hell along with their spirits & be tormented forever. You want to judge God on that matter, and call Him a monster, but that is blasphemous. If you keep it up, you might find out more about hell than you want to. God is going to judge YOU, you're not going to judge Him. You ought to be careful what you say about God, He might get offended.
---Betty on 10/1/09


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samuel (9-28)- Matthew 17:1-3 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John...and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them.... And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him." Also God allowed the spirit of Samuel the prophet to be raised up to give a prophecy to Saul. 1Peter 3:19 "By which also He (Jesus) went and preached unto the spirits in prison...."
---Betty on 10/1/09


No! No! You cannot be DEAD and feel PAIN!
You have to be ALIVE to feel PAIN!
Discussion closed!
---Pierr5358 on 10/1/09


1stcliff- John was in the spirit on the Lord's Day and he saw things going on in Heaven. You see what God wants you to see in the spirit.
---Betty on 10/1/09


After death, you will have a new body. That body will be designed for eternity. That body will withstand eternal sufferng and eternal glorious life. For some there will be a 2nd death and that is a spiritual death. Those will spend an eternity away from God, which I believe it the true hell. Our bodies will be different, we will be able to see, hear, do and feel things unimaginable to our finite minds.
---helen on 10/1/09


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mugwump- I doubt that we have to watch & listen if we don't want to. Besides, it's not our place to criticize God and His way of doing things. He doesn't need us, but we do need Him. God's will will be done whether we like it or not.
---Betty on 10/1/09


rhonda- Christ did not want to hide the meaning about hell, but expound it. Dante has nothing to do with what Jesus said about the Bible. You seem to always be discrediting the gospel truth & giving the credit to anybody (RCC, Dante, pagans) for what the Bible says. Jesus Christ said,"Then shall He say unto them on the left hand, Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire (Matthew 25:41). "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matthew 25:46)
---Betty on 10/1/09


Rhonda, What I did was "explained" the Scriptures. That is not "adding" to the Scriptures. GOD's Word is GOD's Word, whether it comes from the Canonical Holy Scriptures or if it comes from Him speaking through one of His modern holy Prophets (Ephesians 4:11-12), or if He sends one of His Saints to Hell and back to give us a more detailed understanding of what the Scriptures say about Hell. Because, Rhonda, it is the failure of some Saints to simply believe or understand what the Scriptures do say about Hell. So, they, in turn, fail to see the urgency of warning the lost (and backslidden Saints) about Hell.
---Gordon on 10/1/09


Rhonda, In Matthew 18:8, YAHUSHUA (JESUS) says "Wherefore, if thy hand or thy foot offend thee (causes you to sin), cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into Life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE." YAHUSHUA used the exact words that He meant to use. He said "everlasting fire", and "everlasting fire" is exactly THAT. It's a Fire that will last FOREVER. Never going out, never to be quenched. And, that Fire is on the souls of the inhabitants of Hell. Yes, GOD can make man's soul of a substance that can be on fire, but not be totally consumed. Just like the Burning Bush.
---Gordon on 10/1/09


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Atheist: I believe it was you who first asked the excellent rhetorical question:

"Can pain be experienced without nerve endings, or a brain to process their signals?"

I would like to ask all on this blog to tell me if you would torture a small animal with fire. How about a child? If you would not, how can you worship such a cruel god who would do it forever? The Bible calls the destruction of the wicked by God in the lake of fire "His strange act" (Isa 28:21), indicating that this destruction is contrary to His loving nature - but necessary to conserve justice.
---jerry6593 on 10/1/09


Betty ET AL, To those who believe that the Rich man and Lazarus was a "literal" happening ,consider this=
The RM was buried (in hades-the common grave of mankind) looks up and sees Lazarus "afar off"..huh? buried and looks up thru 6' of dirt and sees Lazarus?? (x-ray vision?) has a conversation to Abraham"s bosom (some believe is heaven).
Go up to the 10th floor of an apt. bldg. balcony (100') try to have a conversation with someone in the parking lot below!!!
Heaven and hell are closer than this?? really??
---1st_cliff on 10/1/09


Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you [yourselves] thrust out.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
...sounds like something that happens after death.. and sounds like suffering...
---MIchael on 9/30/09


Rhonda, As I explained earlier....GOD calls eternal torments of the Damned "DEATH", not "Life". Even though they are "alive" in torments.
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Gordon

you have ADDED idea that death is "alive in torments" ....ADDING to Gods Holy Word dismissing Gods warning Prov 30:5-6

ETERNAL LIFE ONLY for righteous ...plain TRUTH sinner SHALL NOT LIFE John 3:36 in SILENCE Psalm 115:17 as if they HAD NEVER BEEN Obadiah 16

counterfeit christianity IMPLIES reasoning "dead are alive in death" MOCKING Christ future gift salvation eternal life 1Corin 15 ...MOCKING The Father in Heaven depicting HIM as cruel vindictive demonic being void of mercy EXACTLY like pagan Dantes hell
---Rhonda on 9/29/09


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Warwick, With some of them on here it's the "same old same old" but I can't believe a person of your intelect would subscribe to this God-defaming doctrine of our loving God barbecuing humans for no other reason but to inflict as much pain as possible on a living (even tho they are dead?) being!
Listen!You wouldn't even do that to a vicious pit-bull .
Instead you would have it "put down"
That's what our God does "the wages of sin is death (put down)" If you don't want to live in His kingdom,He will accommodate you!
---1st_cliff on 9/29/09


Js5ywS I want to say - thank you for this!
---jonnjenkind on 9/29/09


Yes Gordan you have said that a dead person is still alive. That being dead does not mean they are dead. But show me where in the bible it says that those who are dead are alive?

The Sadducees taught the dead did not exist at all and would never come back. JESUS answered them that they will be resurrected.

Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Whey did he not teach what you do?
---samuel on 9/28/09


Rhonda, As I explained earlier....GOD calls eternal torments of the Damned "DEATH", not "Life". Even though they are "alive" in torments. GOD calls it DEATH. It's not LIFE. And it's not Life as He promises to His Saints who will inhabit Heaven. Regarding the Lake of Fire being called "Gehenna" after the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem: The Lake of Fire is also named "Gehenna" for it is like that garbage dump (Only eternally WORSE!). When the Lake of Fire was named after that garbage dump, the people of that day, then, had a better idea of what the Lake of Fire was like. It gave the people a better understanding of what Hell and the Lake of Fire were like that the LORD kept warning them about.
---Gordon on 9/28/09


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This "returning to dust" refers only to the flesh-and-blood body
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one must IMPLY this idea

this idea is NOT from scripture

seeing Gods Holy Word says

the dead know NOTHING
their thoughts PERISH
and they do not even KNOW God

hell is the SIMPLY the grave

John 3:36 states the sinner SHALL NOT LIVE ...only counterfeit christianity dismisses and ignores this very plain verse and MOCKS salvation and Christs return to resurrect the righteous who have GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE

not one scripture states eternal life for sinner to "roast" in a place called hell by a sadistic monster "god"
---Rhonda on 9/27/09


Atheist as no one needs to land in hell unless they choose to do so why would anyone do so. It gets such bad press.

I got a free offer of heaven and happily took it. You can too. No need to worry yourself about hell.
---Warwick on 9/26/09


Mugwump,

That thought has often crossed my mine...

In fact, it would seem that an eternity of ancestors would watch their sinful ancestors burn for an eternity. At some point would there not be a revolt with those in heaven asking, 'Dear God, haven't they been tortured long enough?'
---atheist on 9/25/09


The Problem with this idea of an immortal immaterial soul is that it is not found in the Bible. The Bible states we are a soul.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Soul and life are used to mean the same thing.

Behold now, this city [is] near to flee unto, and it [is] a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, ([is] it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.
King James Version 1769 Info

NASB - Gen 19:20 - now behold, this town is near {enough} to flee to, and it is small. Please, let me escape there (is it not small?) that my life may be saved."
---Samuel on 9/25/09


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This "returning to dust" refers only to the flesh-and-blood body. The physical body was initially created by GOD from the dust of the earth. As the body ages, it slowly corrodes, dies (stops functioning), is buried in the earth, and decays into the dust from which it was made. But, the SOUL of man is a totally different animal altogether. The soul was made to live on forever from the moment it was first created. Some argue that THAT is saying man is "eternal" like GOD. But, only GOD existed from "Eternity Past", not man. Man was CREATED at some point in time. So, when the man's body "dies", his soul and spirit live on and go directly to Heaven or Hell. If to Hell, then, YES, he will suffer in Hell-fire.
---Gordon on 9/25/09


Well, Ecclesiastes 9:6 says that "under the sun" the dead are finido. In their bodies *on this earth*, they can no longer suffer. This does not say "after they die" they can not suffer spiritually. We have Revelation 14:9-12 > one who "worships the beast" etc. "shall be tormented with fire and brimstone

in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb".

So . . . if these are ones who have died . . . they can suffer, later. I have had a sample experience of what the brimstone feels like, I would say. You do not want to be wrong about this. But Jesus "did not threaten" (1 Peter 2:23). So, hell is not a threat, but a sewer for the filth of Satan's selfish spirit.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/25/09


Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
---MIchael on 9/24/09


....then you will spend your eternity in heaven watching the people in hell being tortured for eternity. Does that appeal to you?
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sadly it does appeal to the masses who cling to pagan poet Dantes hell-fire poem

Christ spoke in parables to HIDE meaning in Luke 16:19-31 there is no description of heaven or hell one must IMPLY and ADD to Holy Word of God that Lazarus and Rich Man are in heaven and hell when scripture is VOID of this idea from men

New Testament church is founded on Apostles and Prophets Eph. 2:20 ...the PARABLE teaches if one REFUSES to HEAR the prophets like Moses you have no hope 2Tim 3:15
---Rhonda on 9/24/09


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Betty, if heaven and hell are literally as described in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, then you will spend your eternity in heaven watching the people in hell being tortured for eternity. Does that appeal to you?
---mugwump on 9/23/09


Eccl. 9:5: "The living are conscious that they will die, but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all"
Eccl 9:6, "Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun".
Isaiah 26:14, "They are dead, they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up".
Surely man cannot suffer after death.
---ama9947 on 9/23/09


Also, Betty, we have how John saw the souls of martyrs under the altar in Heaven > Revelation 6:10 > they actually call out to the "Lord, holy and true", and communcate. And this is before all the saints who will be killed have been killed, according to what I get from the next verse.

Hi, ama . . . I'm Bill . . . I understand that our bodies die and then can't suffer while rotting, etc. But deeper than physical, I experience we are spiritual beings. And we can suffer or have peace, depending on whose spirit has us > Ephesians 2:2 or 1 Corinthians 6:17. And "God is light" (1 John 1:5) > effecting each one according to one's spiritual nature. The same warmly loving sunshine can burn a worm or tan a sunbather.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/23/09


steveng- Luke 16:19-31 Jesus told of a certain rich man and a beggar named Lazarus. The two men died & one went immediately to hell & the other to Paradise. Luke 16:24 Jesus described the rich man as being tormented in the flame (hellfire). Luke 16:28 Jesus describes it as a place of torment. He was teaching about what hell is like, and people were already in it.

Revelation 20:13 "...and death and hell delivered up the dead that were in them...."
---Betty on 9/23/09


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The Bible teaches that the dead are in a state of unconsiousness They know not anything in that state of affairs. They can feel nothing in that state of affairs neither can we help them or pray for them.
---Pierr5358 on 9/23/09


atheist- The wicked who died since Jesus rose from the dead are in hell. The righteous are in Paradise.
---Betty on 9/23/09


No one is suffering in hell - not yet anyway.

After one dies (and before the second resurrection mentioned in Revelation) one does not have thoughts or feelings. If one does not have thoughts or feelings, one cannot experience suffering. It is written that David is not ascended into the heavens (Acts 2:29-35). The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10)
---Steveng on 9/22/09


If you go to Hell after you die, than yes you will suffer for eternaty. If you go to Heaven however, there is no suffering.
---Leslie on 9/22/09


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Betty,

So Adam's spirit went to Hell? Along with everyone else who died before Jesus? Are they all burning and suffering?

Where are the people who died after Jesus, particularly those who 'sinned'?
---atheist on 9/22/09


\\When God covered Adam and Eve with the animal skins he also covered them with the blood that was on those skins and those animals served as sacrificial animals with their bloodshed for Adam and Eve!\\

The "garments of skin" made for Adam and Eve was a change in their physical nature to keep them from direct contact with fallen spirits--i.e., demons.

It was for their protection.

It had nothing to do with sacrifice.

Adam and Eve still died.

There is only ONE BLOOD that takes away sins.

To say otherwise is to say that Christ was incarnate, suffered, and rose from the dead for nothing.
---Cluny on 9/22/09


---Betty your answer seems to imply that Adam went to hell. But I do not believe that it's true. When God covered Adam and Eve with the animal skins he also covered them with the blood that was on those skins and those animals served as sacrificial animals with their bloodshed for Adam and Eve!
---mima on 9/22/09


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