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Is tithing a Biblical New Testament teaching?

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Jake, thank you for your response and you did great in answering and please continue to do what is in your heart for the Lord. That is who you are now in Christ. It is automatic now, and a piece of evidence of the love of Christ in your heart. Peace to you bro.
---MarkV. on 10/5/09


If your Pastor teaches this, insist that he only uses tithes to pay ministers, and to help the poor. ---Glenn on 10/5/09

Why? The Levitical tithe was used to pay the Levites who were servants to the priests, and the priests only got a tenth of the tithe, or one percent. Today's servants to the priests would be the ushers, deacons, musicians, singers, etc.

You can't insist that the illegal tithe collected be used a certain way. The church bylaws will spell out how to use that income.

The proper thing to do is to show your pastor the scripture and pray that he will see the truth.

I absolutely refuse to attend any church that teaches and collects the tithe.
---Gary on 10/5/09


Jake - very good, you should continue to give from your heart whatever amount you feel your can afford.

Your giving simply reflects your love for the Lord and His work.

However, you have problems if you believe what you give is some kind of legal obligation as defined in scripture as you are then back under the law and have fallen from grace.

Some in the church are truly gifted with the ability to make money, others simply have to live from paycheck to paycheck and have obligations that must be met and are unable to contribute as much as others.

My family has always been in good health but there are those who have children with grave medical needs and very costly expenses. It has been easy for me to outgive them.
---lee on 10/5/09


Seek God's direction, 2Corinthians 9:7. The teaching of the tithe, and the giving of offerings in 'Word of Faith' theology have something in common. They both use a method of manipulation, and this comes from a spirit of Witchcraft. Giving "from the heart" builds the kingdom. Corrupt laws builds fleshly empires. If your Pastor teaches this, insist that he only uses tithes to pay ministers, and to help the poor. Also, make sure that his salary does not exceed the median salary in your area.
Ezekiel 33:31, Mark 7:9, 22-23, 1Corinthians 5:11, 6:10, 13:3, Romans 1:29, Galatians 2:21, Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-6, 1Timothy 3:3, 6:9-10, 2Timothy 3:2, Hebrews 13:5, 2Peter 2:3, 14.
---Glenn on 10/5/09


let every man tithe and give as he sees fit.
Lee for your information, there were several people in the community that read the Bible that they were given. even the heathen doesnt dare poke criticism at this effort.
I apologize to anyone reading this, if i have caused your foot to go astray, driven you to wrath or embarrassed my Saviour Jesus Christ. I only wanted to contribute to the conversation, not act as an authority. to everyone who is not an authority on the subject but who still like to give/tithe. in your heart is where Jesus Lives, and He will remain there. Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, then all things shall be added unto you.
---Jake on 10/5/09




Jake, I am not generally a blunt person, but I am going to be blunt.

You have zero understanding of the tithe, or of this topic.

Like so many others, you have been brainwashed to believe man's own doctrines rather than God's Word.

It is obvious from your continued comments that you have not studied this topic but rather are repeating what you have been told.

Look at the title of this blog. Is isn't about giving, it's about tithing.
---Gary on 10/4/09


Jake- **The comment about the naive Christian doesnt even warrant a response.

You mean you cannot see that the tithe is a very inequitable system, that it is essentially a system of deprivation for the poor? Wake up please and open your eyes.

The old church used to sell indulgences to extract money from people but sometime around the 1800's someone invented the concept of the tithe based upon the OT tithe.

As to what the man did in dumping Bibles around his neighbor is much like a shot in the dark. While you might hit something, it is better to find the target first and then shoot at it. Those ministries that know where the greater needs are at have done their research while you friend just acted on his emotions.
---lee on 10/4/09


Jake - Malachi is talking to the priests who gave God the worst instead of the best. Malachi is address to the Levitical priests, no one else. The Biblical tithe was the tenth animal WHETHER IT BE GOOD OR BAD, so the Israelite farmers were not even allowed to tithe the best. See Leviticus 27:32-33.

Nehemiah 10:37 shows that the firstfruits and offerings were taken to the priests and the tithes were taken to the Levites. How can they be the same?

Give me scripture to show they are the same. The definitions aren't even the same. The Hebrew and Greek words are not the same for offerings and tithes.

You need to study your Bible.
---Gary on 10/4/09


Gary, would love to chat about the deciet the church, but it is off topic. in its most original sense, a tithe is an OFFERING to God. unfortunately man, with his little faith turned it into something he could capitalize on. Malachai says that we rob from God by giving Him the poorest things. "Test me in this" God said, and "see if I do not open the floodgates of heaven and poor out so much you will not have room to store it". the tithe, to God, was always about the heart. that is how God has always seen even the earliest tithe. Gods understanding of the tithe is the heart. the heart has always been the most great tithe. what you give from your heart, thats a tithe. always has been. even to the Levites. cheers bud
---Jake on 10/4/09


Lee, who are we to say who needs a Bible and who doesnt. How many people in your community dont have a Bible?the gideons have their own ministry but something was on his heart and it did not come from man or satan... so where could it have come from then? who are you to say where his tithe is best suited? Cant you see that very thought as egotistical. that is how the tithe became about robbing God. People who would rather get someone else to do Gods work. maybe tell God your thoughts. I wonder if He would criticize the man?
The comment about the naive Christian doesnt even warrant a response. However, i would like to encourage you to not be so quick to offer advice. it is not sound advice and in all of your replies you seem to offer it.
---Jake on 10/4/09




Jake - Nothing wrong with giving from the heart. In fact, I give much from the heart. The problem is the Biblical tithe was NOT giving from the heart. It was required. There was no choice in the matter.

The New Testament definitely teaches giving from the heart. The more we give to where it is needed, the better.

I am aware of many churches where the pastor now requires members to tithe or they lose their membership. I am also aware of churches that now require all officers and others holding any position in the church to furnish their Form W2 each year to PROVE they have paid at least a tenth of their income to the church. That is sad.
---Gary on 10/4/09


Jake - let your heart be your guide in giving to the work of the Lord, but do not go down to the bank and borrow money to give to His work, nor permit your children to go to the neighbors for food because you have no money for groceries. I have seen too much of that among the naive Christians who swallowed the garbage that the Bible commands the tithe. They obviously fear the Lord but are simply misled in their priorities.

The tithe for a enlisted sailor with a wife and kid living in substandard housing is food off the table, but for a dentist, it is a necessary tax deduction.

Think!~
---lee on 10/4/09


Gary, I guess you can be right, I have nothing to back up the nonsense of giving from the heart and calling it a tithe. How can a man be taught to give from his heart. I am done throwing pearls to the swine....
continue to listen to the teachings of those who need to debate what a tithe is if you want. Unless you give from your heart, it is nothing. Until any man can "trust in The Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding", he will remain in the dark. the self seeking motives of intelligence and independance are the very reason we have to answer... why not humble yourself and come to Him as a little child would..."but as for me and my house we will serve The Lord.", not ourselves.
---Jake on 10/4/09


Lee is correct because he went to Scripture to give the meaning of tithes. I like Jakes answer because it came from his heart but the meaning was to give in someway to the cause of God but that is not what Scripture calls a tithe. Lee's answer comes from the Word of God. It was to support the Levitical priesthood. I have heard many preachers preach on tithing and what they do is try to convict the people into tithing. The people are convicted to tithe but not by the Word of God, but by what someone said. They make you feel guilty and tithe. God speaks to us through His Word and His Word should convict us on what we should do.
The meaning of tithe has change. In scripture it had its purpose. Today it has a different purpose.
---MarkV. on 10/4/09


God created heaven and the earth: why would He need money? Anyone truly born in His image has a desire to give, and as we become more like Him, God will teach even the stingiest of us how to give our best, as He did with Christ. How? By the law now written in our hearts, which is how we are to be led in giving. Pastors should use their faith for a change instead of coercion to meet the church's operating needs (and not their every desire - like being on tv!). I'm convinced that if believers are properly taught, whenever an unusual need arises they will operate in the supernatural, which is what Our Lord instructed, duh!!! (See Matt 17:27).
---Sharoyn on 10/3/09


Steveng--
You say...///This verse tells you explicitly to tithe...
Jesus said, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.///

No, Jesus told the SCRIBES and PHARISEES to tithe. They were JEWS. The tithe was mandatory to support the Temple.

After the Resurrection of Jesus, Paul told CHRISTIANS,
2Cr 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Get that? NOT OF NECESSITY.
---Donna66 on 10/3/09


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Jake - If I have a zero knowledge of the tithe, then so do the following who teach the same thing I teach:

Scholars at the SOUTHEASTERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY who published their report on tithing in 2005, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, J. Vernon McGee, Robert Baker (chief SBC historian), Dr. David Croteau and Dr. Russell Kelly (both of whom wrote their thesis on tithing to get their Ph.D.), Phillip Schaff (historian), Scholars at the Dallas Theological Seminary, DALLS THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY, and the list goes on and on. ALL of the above say that tithing ENDED AT THE CROSS, and that there is NO tithing in the Christian Church.

Jake - you are all words with nothing to back up your nonsense.
---Gary on 10/3/09


Gary on 10/2/09, tells a story of a person who needed medicine, and the "pastor" chastised her to tithe anyway. The Church should have looked into purchasing her medicine for her. What a gross story of the turning goodness of God into the greed of a "church/institution."
Here, the traditions of man trump the grace and goodness of God.
---Rod4Him on 10/3/09


Jake - I understand that you simply equate giving with tithing. But that is not what the Bible refers to as the tithe. The tithe is basically a Old Covenant law (legal obligation) designed to support the Levitical priesthood & the temple.

While your friend took his money and donated Bibles to his neighbors, he would have been more effective in his giving if he had given it to the Gideons or some other Bible Society as they know more exactly where the needs are at.

Suggest you pick up the book "Tithing:low-realm,obsolete, & defunct' by Matthew Narramore. The book is inexpensive and will tell you everything you will ever want to know about tithing.
---lee on 10/3/09


nobody is asking of a levitical tithe.
---Jake on 10/2/09

You must be in a vacuum, Jake. Every church I have attended specifically teaches the Levitical tithe as being required by God today. Any pastor who teaches Malachi 3:8-10 is specifically teaching the Levitical tithe because Malachi 3:8-10, robbing God, is specifically referring to the Levitical tithe. The Levitical tithe is the ONLY tithe where any part of the tithe went into a storehouse.

There is no way to teach that tithing is required without referring to the Levitical tithe because that was the ONLY tithe the Lord claimed as His.
---Gary on 10/3/09


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Jake, that was a wonderful answer. You hit the nail on the head and by all means always be blunt. It brings the real point across. It's what we feel in our hearts. When people don't feel a thing, then I believe there is something wrong there some place. I believe its a sacrifice from our part. We show our love by sacrificing ourselves for God and for others in giving and helping.
---MarkV. on 10/3/09


Gary, I am not generally a blunt person, but i am goingto be blunt.
you have zero understanding of the tithe, or of the topic. nobody is asking of a levitical tithe.
A man in my community, who does not attend church for the very reason you discuss, still wanted to tithe unto God. He felt in his heart that he wanted to tithe but where does he tithe. If he gives tot he church, they spend it foolishly, but he wanted ot tithe from his heart. so he took 10% of his earnings and he bought bibles. then he put one on every doorstep at night. now that my good friend IS a tithe. call it what you want but be careful that your ego on the subject does not getin the way of the gesture unto God.
---Jake on 10/2/09


No, titheing is sin. Recall how Jesus the Lord called those whom require tithes, thieves, and so he turned over the tables and the moneychargers and he made a whip and whipped them he hated out of his Temple and he loved them no more. lit.Gk: "But woe to you Ministers, because you take tithes of the mint and the rue and every plant, and pass by the discernment and the love of God, these befits to do and them not to leave aside." Lk.11:42. In otherwords, "Shame on you Ministers for taking tithes, and not ministering truth and God's love." In giving, God's way is this: "If you have a lot, give a lot, if you have a little, give a little, and if you have none, then give none."
---Eloy on 10/3/09


This verse tells you explicitly to tithe...

Jesus said, Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In other words, you should have practiced the latter (the law, judgment, mercy, and faith) without neglecting the former (tithe).
---Steveng on 10/2/09


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By your selfish actions, you deny Him. ...Steveng

You judge me without even knowing me.

When did I ever say I don't give?

I am against teaching someone they are robbing God if they don't pay 10% of their income to the church.

In my own opinion, those who teach and collect the tithe are immoral, corrupt or ignorant, and robbing God's children.

In my own opinion, those who don't give generously, according to their means, are selfish and losing the many blessings God has stored up for them.
---Gary on 10/2/09


Steveng - I have written a book called THE PRINCIPLES OF NEW TESTAMENT GIVING where I conclude that God is more concerned with what we keep for ourselves than He is with how much we give. In other words, if my neighbor, friend, or family member needs financial help and I purchase a big-screen tv instead of helping, I have not followed God's wishes.

But I have also written a book called TITHING TODAY where I reveal a false premise that lead to a false conclusion, and today's teaching of tithing has been based on that false conclusion. I show when and how it happened. I also plainly show that NO ONE pays the Lord's tithe today. They just think they do.
---Gary on 10/2/09


I have a godson who is married with 3 children. He is in his twenties and his wife had to quit work in order to take care of the children. His pastor recently told him that he could not be a member of his church unless he tithed.

I know of a woman whose husband was very ill and needed very expensive medication. She went to her pastor and told him she could either buy his medicine or pay her tithe. The pastor told her she would be cursed if she didn't tithe.

This is committing crime against God.

I've already had one pastor admit to me that tithing ended at the cross, but he said he had to teach robbing God, etc. because people just don't want to give. Talk about fleecing the flock!
---Gary on 10/2/09


By your selfish actions, you deny Him. There are a lot of people in your own community that need help - including christians. So go out and help.
---Steveng on 10/2/09
You obviously have not read all his posts for I seem to recall him saying more than once that he gives away MORE THAN 10% as a FREEWILL OFFERING. I agree that position is completely Biblical unlike the legalists who distort scripture to make tithing a law again.

I think more people will follow the example of grace in giving than the force and distortions of obsolete laws. Where there is grace, giving may even increase.
---obewan on 10/2/09


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Gary: "Steveng - A great deal of my knowledge did NOT come from any sermon, book, websites, etc. God, Himself,...
Plain and simple, and IT MATCHES HIS WRITTEN WORD PERFECTLY."

You profess to be walking with God and that God spoke to you, but what you have heard/learned from God is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacab. Godly people and christians show their love for God when they make offerings, tithings, and giving of alms - without conditions, without asking for anything in return. You are making an excuse not to give to the poor and needy. By your selfish actions, you deny Him. There are a lot of people in your own community that need help - including christians. So go out and help.
---Steveng on 10/2/09


No, tithing is not a NT teaching.
II Corinthians 2:17 "For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's Word..."
Aside from the tradition of tithing, which came about the time of Constantine, it's a gross tradition to take advantage of sincere people.
Rather than raising money by selling indulgences, the institutional church makes people feel guilty if they don't give their money to the institution. People can relieve their guilt by giving money, similar to indulgences.
If that doesn't work to raise money, the institution appeals to people's greed by telling them, "If people give their money, they'll get more money by giving to the church/institution."
---Rod4Him on 10/2/09


Steveng - A great deal of my knowledge did NOT come from any sermon, book, websites, etc. God, Himself, taught me through the Spirit over a period of about ten days. He told me what to teach, and how to explain it. I can tell you right now God is NOT happy with the tithing situation, but He has told me it is His fight, not mine. I am only the messenger.

God spoke to me plain and clear, and told me the following: Tell the people that the tithe was on the miracles of God. OR Tell the people that the tithe was on gifts from God. OR Tell the people that the tithe came from God's labor. Tell the people God never intended man to tithe on man's labor.

Plain and simple, and IT MATCHES HIS WRITTEN WORD PERFECTLY.
---Gary on 10/1/09


Pierr5358 - Matthew 23:23 is where Jesus is talking to the law keepers. This is still OLD Testament. Therefore, Jesus had to uphold the tithe. After all, Jesus was born, lived, and died UNDER THE LAW. The New Testament didn't begin until after Jesus died on the cross. So Matthew 23:23 means nothing as far as tithes supporting the Christian Church.

For those who wish to give a tenth of their income I have no problem. I DO, however, have a big problem with pastors saying we are robbing God if we don't tithe. THAT is telling us we are still under the law.
---Gary on 10/1/09


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Jake - I don't lack understanding on this topic. Every church I have attended I hear the same old thing - that the tithe belongs to God (from the Levitical tithe) and that if you don't give God what belongs to Him you are robbing God (Malachi 3:8-10). For those pastors who say tithing is from the heart -- they are NOT teaching the Biblical tithe. They are teaching the tithe that man came up with in the second half of the 1800s. The Biblical tithe IS the Levitical tithe. The Levitical tithe is the ONLY tithe that God claimed was His, and He gave it to the Levites.

People need to understand that in the New Testament you cannot tithe to God. You are giving your so-called tithe to man, NOT God.
---Gary on 10/1/09


Gary: "Steveng - I will say it again. Jesus was born, lived, and died UNDER THE OLD TESTMAMENT LAW. "

One of the most, if not THE most, learnable devices from the bible is by setting an example - especially parents to children. Jesus was to set an example to the christians living at his time. If he didn't teach us by example, he would be considered a hypocrite and not worth following. I suggest taking a six month sabbatical and read/meditate on the bible without concordances, books by opinionated authors, other christian reference books, novels (like Narnia and Left Behind, etc.) - just you, the bible, and the Holy Spirit. To really get a different perspective listen to the bible.
---Steveng on 10/1/09


Gary, I understand where you are coming from, but I disagree with you. I have not been told by church leaders to tithe. the bigger issue is "whos holding back?"... all of us. you give a heck of alot more than 10%?, who cares, give it all...if not you are holding back. give away everything you have and follow Jesus.
call it tithing or give it another name, Jesus doesnt care what you call it, He just wants you to serve Him with everything you can serve Him with. So in that respect, yes it is a New Testament teaching. A 10% tithe, or first fruits tithe might not be a NT teaching, but helping your brother is, and that is a tithe no matter which way you spin it.
---Jake on 10/1/09


Gary, as I read more of your replies, I see that you are extremely hung up on the notion of your intelligence and Biblical knowledge being superior to others. Why do you do this? I dont recall the question being asked of a "levitical tithe", it asked about a tithe. the general understanding of a tithe should be a gift from your heart. thats really what the people are asking an answer to, because thats what pertains to our everyday lives, not something commanded to the Levites.You have knowledge but lack understanding. these 2 gifts come as a package when delivered by God.
---Jake on 10/1/09


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GARY: Granted, most texts supporting tithing are from the Old Testament.But is it not TRUE tht in MATH 23:23 Jesus endorsewd the tithing principle when he said:...these you ought to have done without leaving the others
(ex. pay tithe) undone. Since Jesus endorsed the tithing principle I conclude that it is a good way to finance the churche's ministriess.
---Pierr5358 on 10/1/09


Offerings/tithes/giving all mean the same thing---Steveng

This shows your lack of biblical knowledge and understanding. Maybe YOU use all three words to mean the same thing, but they don't mean the same thing in God's Word IF you are talking about the Lord's tithe - the Levitical tithe - the ONLY tithe that God claimed was His.

A tithe is a TENTH. Period. A TENTH. The Biblical tithe was PAID, not given.

It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

PAYING is not the same as GIVING.

You CAN give ten percent of your income if you wish, and call it tithing, but it is NOT the Biblical tithe.
---Gary on 9/30/09


The Hebrew definition for the word translated into the English word tithe means:
A TENTH, A TENTH PART
It has NOTHING to do with God or anything else. It is a mathematical term. It has NOTHING to do with giving to The Lord.

This is the problem with preachers today. They make up definitions to fit their own purposes.

People actually THINK they are tithing their income when they give 5% of their income. Just plain ignorance. TITHE = TEN PERCENT
---Gary on 9/30/09


Offerings/tithes/giving all mean the same thing - to give unto the Lord. It's an act of love to give a portion of what you have to God or to needy people who, in reality, is giving to God.

Genesis 4:1-4
And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.
---Steveng on 9/30/09


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Steveng - I will say it again. Jesus was born, lived, and died UNDER THE OLD TESTMAMENT LAW. Therefore, Jesus acknowledged that those UNDER THE LAW were to pay their tithes. Jesus could NOT have told those under the law to not tithe.

You must distinguish between what Jesus said to those under the law, and what Jesus taught his disciples to pass on after His death.

Tithing in the Old Testament is NOT from the mind. It was law. It was REQUIRED by the Israelites who farmed crops and raised animals in herds and flocks. NO ONE ELSE tithed.

It's too simple for so many to not understand. All it takes is reading God's Word and NOT changing it.
---Gary on 9/30/09


Steveng - Some of the tithing laws (commands) in the Old Testament:
Leviticus 27:30-34
Numbers 18:23-28
Nehemiah 10:38
Deuteronomy 14:22-27
Deuteronomy 14:28-29

These are commands, NOT from the mind.

When are you going to start giving scripture references to accompany your remarks? Unless you give scripture, I must regard what you say as pure garbage. You are like some of my SDA friends who have lots to say but nothing to back it up with except denomination garbage.
---Gary on 9/30/09


In the OT there were offerings, a physical way for atoning sin. In the NT, we offer ourselves which is the greater of love as Jesus offered himself. But faith without works is dead faith so giving from the heart is to show our love.

Deuteronomy 12:17
Joshua 22:27
1 Samuel 2:17, Wherefore the sin of the young men was very great before the LORD: for men abhorred the offering of the LORD.
2 Chronicles 29:21/31
2 Chronicles 31:12
2 Chronicles 35:8
Nehemiah 10:37
Nehemiah 12:44
Malachi 1:11
Malachi 3:3
Malachi 3:4
Malachi 3:8: Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mark 12:33
Luke 21:4
Acts 24:17 (they gave offerings in the NT)
---Steveng on 9/30/09


Gary: "Jesus did NOT teach tithing to the Christian Church. "

You assume much. Jesus didn't reprimand the old lady who gave pennies and didn't say to his disciples that it was wrong to tithe. Jesus just made tithing/giving more personal. Tithing in the OT is from the mind, giving is from the heart. Both the same yet diffeent.
---Steveng on 9/30/09


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Jake - Who's holding back? I cheerfully give a heck of a lot more than ten percent of my income.

Tithing and giving is not the same thing at all. What is commonly called The Lord's Tithe is the Levitical tithe in Leviticus 27:30-34. It was a command from God. It was law. There is no heart involved in following a law.

Jesus did NOT teach tithing to the Christian Church. Jesus was born, lived, and died under the OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus, Himself, was under the law. Jesus nailed the law to the cross.

The Biblical tithe was NEVER on income or anything that man made or earned. Church leaders who tell you to tithe are either corrupt or ignorant.
---Gary on 9/28/09


larry - thanks for the nice compliment. I have actually spent hundreds of hours, if not thousands, studying the Biblical tithe, and money and finances according to the Bible. I have my own financial ministry and have been teaching pastors this topic.

I have also written a book on tithing and giving which is being downloaded at the rate of about 50 per month, and have well over 50 websites dealing with tithing.

I have dedicated my life to getting the truth out and to expose all the false teaching. You can see by this blog how many people have been taken for a ride by their pastor. I learned a long time ago that many pastors are no more honest than a used car salesman.
---Gary on 9/28/09


Of course tithing is a new testament teaching, from Jesus Christ Himself.
"Render unto ceasar what is ceasars, and unto God what is Gods."
I have read several responses on here trying to determine an offering as different from a tithe. There is no difference. God does not work on a monetary scale, a tithe is an offering from your heart. What does anyone have that is not God given anyways... As far as Cain and Abel, this is ridiculous. If you dont want to do your part to help God's Will be done, or to show your appreciation for His Grace, dont. He did His part for you, and more than that, He held nothing back... yet we hold back.... we suck!!!!
---Jake on 9/28/09


Gary and Lee, you've really done your homework and thank you.

To answer the question: Tithing is Old Testament teaching which we now exceed as being fully dedicated to Christ.
A cheerful giver will probasbly exceed 10% but God doesn't work on the point system where a person who gives 30% is better than the person who gives 10%.
God as always is looking for the humble, willing and worshiping heart.

Albeit the willingness to give is a type of barometer of the heart.
---larry on 9/28/09


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What do you suppose Cain and Able, the sons of Adam and Eve if you haven't read the bible, tithed? ---Steveng on 9/28/09

There is nothing in the scriptures to show that either Cain or Able tithed. However, I believe the false prophet, Ellen White, said they did. I say false prophet because the Bible is clear that a prophet is false is any of their prophecy turns out to be false.

Please show scripture showing that Cain and/or Able tithed. Remember, the definition of tithe is A TENTH PART, or ONE TENTH.

Claiming that Cain and Able tithed is pure nonsense and cannot be supported with the Word of God. Cain and Able both gave OFFERINGS, not tithes.
---Gary on 9/28/09


lee: "Does this teaching come from the works of Ellen White?"

What do you suppose Cain and Able, the sons of Adam and Eve if you haven't read the bible, tithed?
---Steveng on 9/28/09


djconklin - My reference to Numbers 18:21 does not contradict anything I have said.

The the tithe was PAID to God. God gave the tithe to the Levites for their inheritance, for service they perform. Call that wages, salaries, income, etc. But then the Levites had to tithe on the tithe. Since ONLY crops and animals raised on land owned by the tither qualified as a tithe, God said the Levites tithe to the priests would be treated AS THOUGH it came from their own harvest. Numbers 18:27.

God gave out the tithes by commanding the people to TAKE the tithes to the Levites. Numbers 18:26, Nehemiah 10:37
---Gary on 9/28/09


djconklin - An inheritance is not a payment. The tribe of Levi inherited the Lord's tithe. The other tribes inherited the promised land with everything on it.

The Levites only worked at the temple approximately one week out of every 24 weeks on a rotation. They did not work full-time at the temple, yet they got the tithe for the whole year. To start your research on this topic, go to 1 Chronicles 25 and 26. This is where the Levites are divided into 24 courses. This is a very complex area to research and is normally only done by those going for their Masters or Ph.D. in theology. A good source for this topic is the book SHOULD THE CHURCH TEACH TITHING by Dr. Russell Kelly. This book goes through this whole topic of the rotation.
---Gary on 9/28/09


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>Tithes were never PAID as SALARIES. The tithe was PAID to God, and God GAVE the tithe to the Levites for compensation (salaries, if you wish) in Numbers 18:21.

How did God _give_ out the tithes? Your reference to Numbers 18:21 contradicts the first sentence.
---djconklin on 9/28/09


Glenn - Tithes were never PAID as SALARIES. The tithe was PAID to God, and God GAVE the tithe to the Levites for compensation (salaries, if you wish) in Numbers 18:21. HOWEVER, salaries, or income, was NOT tithable. But the Levites had to tithe on what they received to the priests, so it was treated as though the tithe received by the Levites was actually from their own harvest (Numbers 18:27).

Deuteronomy 23:18 has to do with OFFERINGS, not the tithe. Matthew 5:23-24 also has to do with offerings, not the tithe.

The curse in Malachi 3:9 has to do with the priests offerings the worst, instead of the best, in the heave offering, and of the priests stealing the Levites portion of the tithe.
---Gary on 9/26/09


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Preachers who try to place others under the curse of the law violate scripture *1. Tithes were salaries paid only in Israel by Israelites, on comestible crops, and clean domesticated animals (Leviticus 27:30-32). Tithes were not always accepted, Deuteronomy 23:18. Tithes were not paid on money owed, Matthew 5:23-24. A "Tithe" used for other than salaries, or exceeding the median salary, or excluding some workers, is a Malachi 3:9 curse, and was a form of theft. For the first few centuries, most giving was to the poor *2. Also, many church ministries, like many government ministries, are both extravagant and unaccountable to the common folk.
---Glenn on 9/26/09


Mal 3 v's 8-9. Even though this is in the O -Testament it also pertains to the N -Testament. ---Lawrence on 9/26/09

1 - Malachi 3:8-10 is being address to the priests, NOT the people. Proof of this is in Malachi 1:14 which explains the robbing God of the offerings, and in Nehemiah 13 which explains robbing God of the tithes.
2 - Malachi 3:7 refers to the "ordinances" which are laws. Malachi 3:10 refers to the storehouse. The ONLY tithe in the Bible that was law AND any part of went to a storehouse was the Levitical tithe, aka the Lord's tithe, which supported the Levitical priesthood and therefore, ended at the cross.

Hebrews 7:5, 12, 18 affirm all laws of the Levitical priesthood have been disanulled.
---Gary on 9/26/09


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steveng -**People have been tithing thousands of years before the jews became a nation. The sons of Adam and Eve were tithing, but they were not jews.

Does this teaching come from the works of Ellen White?

Adventists have invented much history that cannot be referenced by any authority. They even contend that the Sabbath was observed in Eden but there is virtually nothing outside of White's works that would indicate that is true.

The Jewish calendar came into being with Moses.

Exodus 12:1-2 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you.
---lee on 9/26/09


Carnal worldly christians are keeping God's money in their pockets. ---Lawrence on 9/26/09

Why is it that tithers assume that non-tithers are not givers.

A true, born-again believer is going to give a lot more than so-called Christians who depend on a law to dictate their actions.

A true, born-again believer will do the right thing because he/she will be lead by the Spirit, NOT by some outdated law.
---Gary on 9/26/09


A short explanation of Malachi 3:7-10, robbing God.

God is NOT accusing anyone of not PAYING the tithe, or not GIVING the offering.

The priests robbed God of the offering by giving the worst part and keeping the best for themselves. See Malachi 1:14.

The priests robbed God of the tithe by taking the Levites portion for themselves leaving no food for the Levites at the temple. God gave the tithe to the Levites and the priests stole it. See Nehemiah chapter 13.

It's a shame how church leaders have totally taken Malachi 3:8-10 out of context.
---Gary on 9/26/09


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The Roman Catholic church prohibited asking for tithes for centuries. The Protestants, until the nineteenth century, also shunned the practice. In both cases, the custom was started in order to build an edifice. Christians give voluntary offerings and alms with joy *3. Acts 15:20, 29 do not mention tithing. However, Romans 14.
*1 Acts 13:39, Romans 3:20, 28, 8:1-17, Galatians 1:6-9, 2:16, 3:10-13.
*2 Job 36:15, Psalm 12:5, 72:4, Ecclesiastes 7:7, Ezekiel 22:7, 29.
*3 Romans 15:26, 1Corinthians 16:1-3, 2Corinthians 8, 9:5 (covetousness), 7 (necessity = obligation, commandment).
---Glenn on 9/26/09


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Gary- Do you believe that everything comes from God?

If you do that would include money and therefore He lends it to you to use for his divine purpose. To glorify him!
---colupy on 9/26/09


No Tithing for Christians. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israels temple and priesthood, consequently the obligation to pay tithes would cease when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christs death on the torture stake. (Eph 2:15, Col 2:13,14) As Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute according to what a person has, giving as he has resolved in his heart, for God loves a cheerful giver. (2Co 8:12, 9:7)
---ama9947 on 9/26/09


Gary
Mal 3 v's 8-9. Even though this is in the O -Testament it also pertains to the N -Testament.
Carnal worldly christians are keeping God's money in their pockets.
---Lawrence on 9/26/09


People have been tithing thousands of years before the jews became a nation. The sons of Adam and Eve were tithing, but they were not jews.---Steveng on 9/25/09

Scripture, please.

The FIRST mention of tithing in the scriptures is with Abraham who GAVE, NOT PAID, a tithe, one time, on war spoils, and not from his own income or wealth.

The ONLY tithe in the Bible that God claimed belonged to Him was the Levitical tithe, which He gave to the Levites. Give me scripture where God ever commanded anyone to take a tithe to their local church.

Give scriptures, NOT a bunch of denominational garbage.
---Gary on 9/25/09


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Besides tithing and giving are basically the same:...Steveng on 9/25/09

Wrong. The Lord's tithe was required. It was law. Giving comes from the heart.

The Lord's tithe is like today's income tax.

Tithe means one tenth. If it's not a tenth, it's not a tithe. Cain and Able did NOT tithe as some would like you to believe. Show me where they gave a tenth of something.

You need to give scriptures to back up your claims.

The SDA have CHANGED their teaching of tithing over the years. They settled on teaching that would bring in the most money.
---Gary on 9/25/09


mugwump: "Tithing was a commandment to Israel in the Law of Moses."

People have been tithing thousands of years before the jews became a nation. The sons of Adam and Eve were tithing, but they were not jews.

This even holds true for the ten commandments.
---Steveng on 9/25/09


Did Jesus reprimand the wonem who gave little to the church? He could have said don't do it, it's not needed.

Besides tithing and giving are basically the same: one you support your denominational "church" from the mind (a bond) and, the other, is giving personally from the heart (in which God is well pleased). Do an online LJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag."
---Steveng on 9/25/09


Religious leaders love to use Luke 20:25 as a reference to tithing. The fact is, Luke 20:25 has absolutely NOTHING to do with tithing.

Jesus, pointing to the portrait and inscription of Caesar on a denarius coin, said: Give to Caesar what is Caesars. But He also used the occasion to teach that one should give to God the thing that bears His image, meaning oneself (and to God what is Gods).

We are to give OURSELVES to God, NOT our money.

Correct scripture: Luke 20:25 (KJV)
And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesars, and unto God the things which be Gods.
---Gary on 9/25/09


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About the penny. Luke 20 v 25. Render the things that are Caesars (taxes), render the things that are God's ( Tithes & Offerings).
---Lawrence on 9/24/09

Lawrence - Will you please give scripture to show which tithes and offerings belong to God.

The ONLY tithe God ever claimed to be His was the Levitical tithe which supported the Levitical priesthood which ended at the cross.

Please give scripture showing that giving to a church is giving to God. You won't find it.

You've been exploited like most others.
---Gary on 9/25/09


About the penny. Luke 20 v 25. Render the things that are Caesars (taxes), render the things that are God's ( Tithes & Offerings).
---Lawrence on 9/24/09


malachi states that 'there may be food'in my storehouse.
in other versions of the bible, it says that 'there may be ENOUGH in his storehouse' not surplus.

so after the money has been counted and where does all the surplus goes?

copeland has a 'private' jet. where did he get the money to purchase that expensive item?

that is another perverted teaching of malachi.
---mike on 9/24/09


1 - Hebrews 7:5 - Levi received tithes under the law.

2 - Hebrews 7:12 - changing the priesthood changes the law.

3 - Hebrews 7:18 - the command to tithe was disannulled (canceled).

4 - Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14 - Old Testament laws were abolished, nailed to the cross.

5 - Galatians 4:5 - Jesus redeemed those who were under the law. Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14 -how Jesus redeemed those under the law by nailing the laws to the cross.

6 - Galatians 3:10 - those who reject what Jesus did on the cross and continue to put themselves under the law are cursed by the law.

Tithing before or after the law was not commanded by God and therefore is free-will giving.
---Gary on 9/24/09


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The Biblical definition of tithe is one tenth, or a tenth part, and has nothing to do with God or anything else. It is a mathematical term.

Abraham GAVE a tithe (Genesis 14:20 and Hebrews 7:2,4)

The Israelites PAID a tithe (Matthew 23:23 and Hebrews 7:9)

GIVING is free-will. PAYING is required.

Malachi 3:7-10 refers to the Levitical tithe, which was law, which ended at the cross.

The Lord's tithe was ONLY ON God's miraculous incease, NOT income from Man. (Leviticus 27:30-34)

To adapt God's Word to the times is to say God didn't provide for the future in His Word.
---Gary on 9/24/09


the kind of new testament teaching regarding tithing is if you give your tithe, you will be successful & prosper (rich).

many christians follow that 'prosperity' teaching so many can get somebody else's money
---mike on 9/24/09


Matthew 17:25-26 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26-Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free."

SONS DON'T PAY

Question, are you a son?
---mima on 9/24/09


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