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Gospel Of Kingdom Or Grace

Do people know the differences between THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM and THE GOSPEL OF GRACE?

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gospel of grace and gospel of kingdom are very different
---michael_e on 12/12/09


They go together. The Gospel concerns all of Gods precepts, including doctrine, salvation, truth, and wisdom. The Kingdom may refer to all people who have received Jesus as Lord and Savior, or to that which he sets up upon his return (whose citizens are Christians). Daniel 2:44, Matthew 4:17, 23, 24:14, Luke 16:16, Acts 20:24, Romans 1:16, 1Corinthians 15:24-25, Galatians 1:6-9, 2:5, Ephesians 1:13, 6:15, 1Thessalonians 2:4, Jude 1:4.
G932 basileia: kingship, kingdom. G2098 euaggelion gospel: good message, news, tidings. G5485 charis: grace, unmerited favor, Gods' influence, operation, and effect on ones life. His gifts, love, and mercy.
---Glenn on 12/12/09


do people know the difference between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of grace?
---michael_e on 12/8/09


But God alone is able to number the Matthew 13:15 people and the Luke 8:18 people.
---Donna66 on 10/23/09


Steveng ,
On your behalf,
About the population:
Matthew 13:15: "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
To the disciples:
Luke 8:18: "Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have."
---Nana on 10/22/09




Steveng -- How do you know "few" are listening? Do you know everything the Holy Spirit says...to everybody?
---Donna66 on 10/22/09


Donna, I believe Steven G gives the genuine Christian a bad name. I suppose because of his lack of knowing the God of the Bible, His nature and character. What I mean is that he keeps talking bad about the genuine Christians. He has the imposters and the genuine Christians in the same group.
He says they are not listening. As if the genuine Christian is along. As if God saved us and left us to ourselves. We are not along. It is the Holy Spirit who moves us, and guides us. Without Him, no one listens. With Him all listen.
The Spirit brings passion to the word. Puts people in our path with the same passion as us to teach us. Gives us the hunger to learn of God. Guides us unto all Truth. Continues to change us and does not stop.
---MarkV. on 10/22/09


Donna66: "...BECAUSE the Holy Spirit knows how to communicate with EVERYONE in the way that works best for them."

That's true. He DOES know how to communicate with everyone, but few are listening.
---Steveng on 10/21/09


steveng- I wasn't making any assumptions about you personally. How could I?

AND I'm not saying that a lot of education is essential....especially where SPIRITUAL discrnment is concernened. I don't think it needs to be a hindrance, either, BECAUSE the Holy Spirit knows how to communicate with EVERYONE in the way that works best for them.
---Donna66 on 10/20/09


//Much of the truth of scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned...more a matter of spirit than intellect.

I have been quite amazed at times when the Spirit has revealed to me something in scripture or something else that I did not realize before.

Often at nights I find Him speaking to me about something that I need to address or in giving me understanding of something that I needed to know.
---lee on 10/20/09




Donna66: "...when should a Christian's education cease?"

No, you would never understand me unless, of course, you knew me personally. Formal education (except grammar school) is highly overated in today's world. A large number of successful people never graduated high school.

Donna66: "Do you think a highly educated person cannot see through the eyes of a child? Like all of us, they were children once, too."

No. There are only a few thousand people in the civilized world who can see through the eyes of a child. Most adults cannot. They are too busy being adults.
---Steveng on 10/20/09


steveng -- I understand your point. BUT when should a Christian's education cease? After grade school? high school? Or after how many years of college? Do you think a highly educated person cannot see through the eyes of a child? Like all of us, they were children once, too.

Much of the truth of scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned...more a matter of spirit than intellect. I believe that, fortunately for us, God's knowledge will always far exceed ours. And He will always be able, by the Holy Spirit, to get His Truth across to those who truly seek it.
---Donna66 on 10/19/09


Donna66: "Do you really believe that Christians can be "too well educated"?"

The number of words grew from 50,000 to well over one million withing 500 years. And the definition of these words quadrupled. From this increase comes a plethora of interpretations of the bible. You also have concordances, novels, christian reference books, many people writing non-fiction books on their interpretation of the bible, etc. - all telling you how to think.

Donna66: "It is because they understand too little."

People read too much into each word and verse of the bible. Read the bible through the eyes of a child and a person can see the simple truth of Christ.
---Steveng on 10/16/09


Nana//You are free to believe what you will, I on the other hand rather side with Benjamin Franklin and abandon 'your faith' way before I would accept it.

The belief in the Sovereignty of God never has been exclusively a Presbyterian doctrine but something that has been taught by the church since its birth.

You really need to study this issue, particularly what scripture has to say regarding it before you condemn it. God's way are not our ways, and He can do whatever He wants with His creation. Read Romans 9.

Perhaps your problem is that your god is one your own mind created and not the One of the Bible - a frequent problem with all too many who claim the name Christian.
---lee on 10/16/09


Nana, you follow the doctrines of the RCC whether you acknowledge you are one or not. Every answer you have given come from a Catholic perspective, and all your arguments are against any other doctrines. I do not read hearts, no matter how close you are to me or how far you are. I get my information from what you say. I use to be one myself until the Lord came into my life. If you much rather be call a Catholic, you shouldn't mind me calling you one, if that is what you prefer.
---MarkV. on 10/16/09


"So, is this a good teaching church? I believe so since they teach what the Scripture tells us with no bias."
---lee on 10/15/09

You are free to believe what you will, I on the other hand rather side with Benjamin Franklin and abandon 'your faith' way before I would accept it. Much rather be called Catholic (which I never have confessed being) than presbyterian or whatever other ungodly persuassion MarkV is a sliver of.
Whosoever is interested in the Franklin/Presbyterian bit, google ( earlyamerica,/review/summer/franklin/).
---Nana on 10/16/09


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Do you really believe that Christians can be "too well educated"? I don't believe God would have us use only a fraction of our minds. I don't think He meant us to reject knowledge about Him OR His world. He gave us intelligence for a reason.

People may not know the best way to read the Bible,. But that is not because they know too much. It is because they understand too little. If they know the Lord, and listen to the Holy Spirit, as you always say, they should be enlightened by the Bible however they read it. (it's true that the division by verses is not the way the scripture was originally written. Your suggestion is a good one).
---Donna66 on 10/15/09


nana- "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass. Presbyterian Confession of Faith, chap.iii, sec. I.

Is that "a good teaching church."? I do not think so. Very doubtful that Steveng would agree with such 'confession'...
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This is basically the doctrine of the Sovereignty of God. If you were to view the more detailed form of the Confession, you will find the Scripture that supports this view. God controls history for His own glory.

So, is this a good teaching church? I believe so since they teach what the Scripture tells us with no bias.
---lee on 10/15/09


Nana, for a Catholic it is not a good teaching church, a good teaching church for a Catholic is the teachings of traditions from the RCC. You cannot be comfortable in any other. It would go against your faith in your Church. And you cannot go against your Church if the real Truth was right before your eyes. You would have to reject it as most Catholics do.
The very reason Steven G, is where he is, is because of how he was brought up, in the Catholic religion, he gave his testimony already.
---MarkV. on 10/15/09


"God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass."

Presbyterian Confession of Faith, chap.iii, sec. I.

Is that "a good teaching church."? I do not think so. Very doubtful that Steveng would agree with such 'confession'...
---Nana on 10/14/09


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MarkV: "You suggest that God is having problems."

On the contrary, God is not having the problems, it's people who don't understand the Word of God as it is written - not as they define it. Worldly knowledge has exapnded to the point where everything is relative - even to the christian. Just by the mere fact that 90% of all scientists throughout all history has lived within the past 100 years. English word grown from 50,000 to over a million just within the past 500 years. And the definitions quadrupled. And through all this change good has become bad and bad has become good.
---Steveng on 10/14/09


Christians today are too educated. The bible is read completely different than other books. Many people read school text books and novels at face value, never questioning what they read. On the other hand, today's christians analyze every word and verse (in a worldly way). I beleive that dividing the Word of God into verses destroys the meaning in context. The epistles are simply letters. Do you write letters to your family and friends using verse numbers? Of course you don't. Reading the bible without the verse numbers will put a completely new perspective on the Word of God. Read the bible through the eyes of a child, not the mind of an adult.
---Steveng on 10/14/09


2 Corinthians 5:17-21, and Galatians Chapter 3.
---Rob on 10/14/09


these are church era's from resurrection of Christ until today

ONLY ONE Body of Christ (not "different bodies") Rom 12:5 1Corin 10:17, 12:20 Eph 4:3-5

there are MANY counterfeit christian churches 2Corin 11:4 ...PROTEST-ant daughter churches of the MOTHER RCC (Rev 17)
---Rhonda on 10/11/09

Rhonda, that is great. Denominations are not saved..individuals are. And those addressed in Rev...not all were saved within the ones addressed....(beware of the enemies within)

The message is re-addressed in each...to the OVERCOMERS (individual responsibility) in each one addressed the Lord has something awesome to say!

Let's be overcomers of thinking Denominations save....
---kathr4453 on 10/14/09


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Steven G, "common sense" according to the dictionary. "good sense" or "practical judgment". definition.
You suggest that God is having problems. Which suggest there are molecules out there disrupting His authority. Divine Sovereignty is the supreme authority that God has over heaven and earth. All power in the Universe flows from the power of God. All power in this universe is subordinate to Him.
"God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass"
Do you not believe this passage? I hope you raised your hand, if not, I think you should go to "a good teaching church."
---MarkV. on 10/14/09


MarkV: "Steven G, you are determine to not listen to some common sense."

According to whose "common sense?"
---Steveng on 10/13/09


I talk about subject at hand. Christians are to test anything that is written so test all you want. Compare what I say to the bible. Pray for instruction from the Lord...
---Steveng on 10/11/09

I'll talk to you Steveng. I understand you point on denom's. While I go to a gathering every week...I am not a member on the books of men. Having gone here to the small gathering for 13 years....I am a member of this gathering of Christians. They allow me to guide Sunday school....but, scripture does the teaching. I may point....but it is up to the individual to check. Very little of this here. I've pointed to the individual above....but, too frightened to leave the base. O.K. I was hesitant too.
---Trav on 10/13/09


Steven G, you are determine to not listen to some common sense. You say you know that all denomination are of Satan, then here you say no one knows the heart of the believer and so on. Then you say,
"This is the same problem God has. Christians "know" God through the bible, but never actually had a close personal relationship with him. They know he exists, but deny his power." Do you really believe God has a problem? If He does, people must be defeating Him day in and out, and Christians not the wicked.
Then you give a passage, "when two or more are gathered". Doesn't "Or more," give you a hint? doesn't that mean it could be ten, fifty, hundred, or a thousand? Why do you put a limit?
---MarkV. on 10/13/09


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There is One Gospel: gennhsh eulogia (gennese eulogia) which means, "Good Word Birthed" or "The Blessed Nativity". "Gospel" comes from an old word meaning, "Good Spiel", that is the good speech or glad tidings that Jesus the Salvation has come. The gospel is: Worship and obey Jesus saves the sinuous life. Please Read- Romans 10:13. The One Gospel is The Gospel of Jesus Christ: God became flesh, the man Christ Jesus, and dwelt among us in order to redeem sinuous man in the flesh. "Emmanuel" God with us.
---Eloy on 10/13/09


Mark_Eaton: "You flatter yourself and puff up yourself with your own words."

I'm too busy to do such things. I leave the house at five in the morning and usually don't get back home until nine in the evening.

Mark_Eaton: "You should learn what true humbleness is and truth of speech."

I learned to be humble twenty years ago after my very successful business abruptly failed for no earthly reason. I became homeless for one year.

Mark_Eaton: "You should spend some quiet time alone ..."

I observe the Sabbath.
---Steveng on 10/12/09


Jesus identified churches by denomination in the Revelation. He speaks to the churches by their name or location, for example, the church in Ephesus
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these are church era's from resurrection of Christ until today

ONLY ONE Body of Christ (not "different bodies") Rom 12:5 1Corin 10:17, 12:20 Eph 4:3-5

not many ...these churches all understood TRUTH but many became lukewarm loving the ways of the god of this world 2Corin 4:4 and mens traditions Mark 7:6-9 MORE than obeying and loving Christ

which is why Christ says to COME OUT OF HER Rev 18:4

there are MANY counterfeit christian churches 2Corin 11:4 ...PROTEST-ant daughter churches of the MOTHER RCC (Rev 17)
---Rhonda on 10/11/09


Steveng:

I told you before I would not correspond to you, but you directed your comments to me so I did. I am reiterating again that I will not follow a fool in his folly, such as you are.

You flatter yourself and puff up yourself with your own words. You should learn what true humbleness is and truth of speech. God wants both from all of us. He also wants a contrite and quiet spirit.

You should spend some quiet time alone with the Spirit and ask God why you despise churches. Listen for his answer, He knows you better than you know yourself.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/11/09


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Mark_Eaton: "I am not going to defend denominations to you. You seem firm about your intolerance of churches in general, especially those of any denomination."

I only defend one church - the church Christ started which has practically disappeared from the face of the world during these last days.

Mark_Eaton: "You on the other hand, rarely talk about Him at all."

I talk about the subject at hand. Christians are to test anything that is written so test all you want. Compare what I say to the bible. Pray for instruction from the Lord if what I say is true. If you have any question or discomfort about my words, run it by your pastor or a leader from your church.
---Steveng on 10/11/09


I have one thing against these blogs: bloggers don't know bloggers.

Can a person on these blogs truly know the fruits of the Spirit of another blogger? Can a person know the love another has? Can the person know the other fruits of joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control without face-to-face contact? This is the reason that many times in the past I challenged people, or someone they know in the Pasadena (California) area, to visit me personally.

This is the same problem God has. Christians "know" God through the bible, but never actually had a close personal relationship with him. They know he exists, but deny his power.
---Steveng on 10/11/09


Steveng:

I am not going to defend denominations to you. You seem firm about your intolerance of churches in general, especially those of any denomination.

I have in fact attended Bible studies taught by a former Catholic priest and I have worked side by side with Catholics, Lutherans, Prebyterians, Baptists, House of Prayer, AME, and AOG/COG. Not only were all of them joyful, great folks to be around but all firmy loved their Savior and were eager to talk about Him with me. I consider all of them good christian brothers and sisters who love Jesus and want to please Him.

You on the other hand, rarely talk about Him at all.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/10/09


Mark_Eaton: "Jesus identified churches by denomination in the Revelation."

Churches at the time of Christ were identified by location only, not by denomination. The "church" is defined in the NT as people, a group of christians in a certain location, period, all being one in the spirit. Today's definition of "church" is a denomination, a building, and a non-profit organization. Jesus is to return to join with (marry) his people not a denomination, a building, or a non-profit organization. Denominational "churches" today have their own traditions, ways of living and interpretaitons of the bible. You would never see a Catholic priest preside over a protestant congregation.
---Steveng on 10/9/09


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To all:
What denomination would the two prophets mentioned in Revelation belong to?
In fact, what denomination would Christ belong to?
---Steveng on 10/8/09

Indeed. Good point-ing.
---Trav on 10/9/09


You lack understanding about the word denomination.

As you look in your wallet, the $1 bill is of a different DENOMINATION than the $10 bill. Does that make them different? YES. Are the both money? YES.

Jesus identified churches by denomination in the Revelation. He speaks to the churches by their name or location, for example, the church in Ephesus. Why? So He can refer to them differently. However, they are all still believers.

Unfortunately, what has happened is that some denominations have placed their rituals above Scripture. And this why most people speak badly about denominations.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/9/09


I couldn't begin to answer this question unless somebody defines the terms. What is GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM? What is GOSPEL OF GRACE?
---Donna66 on 10/9/09


Trav ... So God was married ... I wonder was that in the sense that we normally use the word?

And who is this Barry S Hussein? And what has he got to do with this debate?
---alan_8566_of_uk on 10/9/09


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Steveng -- Jesus would surely not belong to any denomination because He is above worldy divisions. But my guess is, He would visit ANY church of ANY denomination where He was truly welcomed.

I don't have any idea about the two prophets. Does it matter?
---Donna66 on 10/9/09


To all:

What denomination would the two prophets mentioned in Revelation belong to?

In fact, what denomination would Christ belong to?
---Steveng on 10/8/09


And what was that "largest event that ever happened to a people in history of the world" ? (Just being provocative & a bit offensive, like you!)
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/7/09

Thanks. At minimum I would provoke...if a truth is found.
The largest thing? GOD's marriage. No one ever told you....or me. Wait... GOD was married! I know nothing larger...neither do you. Barry S. Hussein, is no runner up.
saith the Lord, for I am married unto you." (Jeremiah 3:14)
...I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
Ezekiel 16:7-9
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
---Trav on 10/8/09


Trav ... So Jesus said everyone else was wrong? Can you please give us just one quote? And if he did he has a million times the right to say that than Steveng.

OK I will change "one-man denomination" to "self-styled only Christian"

Re Neighbours ... I sure beg your pardon ... I thought Jesus was talking about them in Luke 10 vv 30 - 37. But perhaps I am mistaken. I'll have to rethink love

And what was that "largest event that ever happened to a people in history of the world" ? It's hard to tell from your posts what you reckon it was, and whether you care for it rather than destroying everyone else's faith in it.

(Just being provocative & a bit offensive, like you!)
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/7/09


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Trav:

Prove your statement "Every denom I've checked so far does not know/teach a basic truth in scripture". BTW, exactly what is YOUR basic truth?

Please show me where the error is in my denomination, I am COG.

Do you understand what Eph 4 teaches? One body, no matter what denominaton. We are all connected, whether you or Steveng likes it. There is no such thing in the body of Christ as a believer "out on his/her own". You will not survive like this and the Scripture teaches against it. Even Jesus never sent His disciples out alone. We need each other and I believe God intended that way.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/7/09


Trav ... Jesus did not say everyone else was wrong.
No denomination is 100% right, not even Steveng's one-man denomination, whatever he may say.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/6/09
Yes he did.
Denomination = group. Word does not apply....Steveng not a named group.
Would rather be alone with truth....than in largest group that has it not.
Denom's restrict/restrain/keep out by doctrinal viewpoints. Every denom I've checked so far does not know/teach a basic truth in scripture. I've submitted scripture for months here and no one even cares about largest event that ever happened to a people in history of the world. Most defend their "denom" doctrine. Keeping them from "seeing".
---Trav on 10/7/09


Trav ... have yuo forgotten Jesus' definition of "neighbour" ... it was nothing to do with geography.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/6/09

Which part of countryman,friend,close did you not get. Even Israel of old did not tolerate anyone who veered from their belief. We shouldn't either. An example.
2 Kings 21:2
And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, after the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
What fellowship has night with day.
---Trav on 10/7/09


Trav ... Steveng is not Jesus

And Jesus did not say everyone else was wrong.

No denomination is 100% right, not even Steveng's one-man denomination, whatever he may say.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/6/09


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Today's highly educated christians need to find meaning in every verse. If christians would take the bible at face value, .. Read Colossians 2:8-10.
---Steveng on 10/5/09

There is only one truth. In all denom's and on this blog site....I see glimmers of it. I see huge diversions away from it. Even outright anger. Would any one of us argue with an O.T. prophet? See it every day here. Prophets go against denom's.

While I know truth....I don't fully know it. While I know truths....I find it hard for my physical me/man/body to apply the esscence of them.
I notice here...when truth is scripturally noted and witnessed...few to none grabs it. This is a mark/sign in scripture of its own.
---Trav on 10/6/09


Trav ... Steveng is one of the bigots, because he condemns all who have a different view to his.

He condemns all denominations except his own (for he does have his own self-created denomination)
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/5/09

Well Christ was a bigot by your definition. He was killed for it. They were doing the un-holy church goooooood.
Lets see, you condemn Steven because he is separate and he warns you because you are not.
Have to say it is safer to be independant these days.
Luke 6:22
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luke 6:21-23
---Trav on 10/6/09


Trav ... Steveng is one of the bigots, because he condemns all who have a different view to his.

He condemns all denominations except his own (for he does have his own self-created denomination)

I don't condemn him, nor any one else ... I just point out that he in condemning all who disagree, he becomes a bigot.

You say he KNOWS there is only one truth. Trouble is He does not say what that Truth is (unless it is just that no-one else has the Truth)
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/5/09


Trav, It's not me that alan is calling a bigot, its God himself. As you read these posts on these christian blogs, you'll find as many interpreations of the bible as there are stars in the sky. The bible is attacked from all sides because of the readers intent to find meaning in every verse. People would read a novel or a school textbook take the information at face value, but not the bible. Today's highly educated christians need to find meaning in every verse. If christians would take the bible at face value, as they do novels and textbooks, and keep it simple, most christians would be one in the spirit. Read Colossians 2:8-10.
---Steveng on 10/5/09


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But the most bigoted holders of these views condemn those with other understandings,

and say they are undermining the gospel, and can't have proper faith.

It is that bigotry and condemnation of others that gives Steveng some apparent evidence for his false claim that ALL demoninations are inspired by Satan ...
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/24/09

You bigo-try the very things you condemn,bigots. Ha. You are and love this lever tool/word. Also you said "Other Understandings". There is only one truth. Steveng knows there is only "One" truth. Or he wouldn't have made the statement he did. "Other Understandings" are obviously in confusion. Keep searching Steveng.
---Trav on 10/5/09


The word "gospel" makes it confusing!
Gospel simply means "good news" but it has become synonymous with the books of the New Testament! (the gospels)
The "good news" of the Kingdom is one thing,but "Gospel" of Grace doesn't seem to fit,altho "grace" is good news for those that recieve it.
It's God's (grace)unmerited/undeserved kindness toward man that allows us salvation. That's always good news!
---1st_cliff on 10/4/09


Rob, there's no difference in The gospel of peace Eph. 6:15, The gospel of Christ 1 Cor. 9:12, The gospel of the grace of God Acts 20:24, This gospel of the kingdom Matthew 24:14, and "an eternal gospel" Rev. 14:6. There is different descriptive titles but all are the same. Paul made that clear in Galatians 1:6-9:
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned."
---MarkV. on 10/3/09


The gospel Part 2:
It is hard to escape the conclusion that Paul believed quite strongly that there was only one gospel, with the resulting inference that the various titles mentioned above are descriptive of the same gospel.
He also warned believers that there would be those who would try to confuse them, who were trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. We see that here. Evidence of grace is all through history. When Adam and Eve sinned God graciously intervented, promised a Redeemer, and made immediate provisions. In every dispensation in time God intervened graciously with humankind. Thus God of the Old Testament is not an ungracious Being. His grace, mercy, and love are as much in evidence in the Old as in the New Testament.
---MarkV. on 10/3/09


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tom2, you speak falsehood and need salvation.
---Eloy on 10/3/09


I know Christians who still depend on a "hard copy" Bible. Often it is one they have used for years. There is a lot of underlining and a few fragile or repaired pages, but it is so familiar they can open the book within a page or two of almost any reference.

I use a computer to "search", sometimes,too. But the computer offers many distractions when I want to study the Word or meditate in it.
I also have "hard copy" references for some searches the computer doesn't seem to understand. Books are more portable and compact than even small laptops. I'd recomment a hand-held bound Bible to anyone.
---Donna66 on 10/2/09


alan8566_of_uk: "I never thought about that ... I wonder how all previous generations managed?"

God knows human behavior. He knows that people today are conditioned to do things quickly, they want things now. WE have fast foods, vehicles to travel to and fro quickly, machines to make life easier (debatable), etc. Life today is one rush after another. That's why the suggestion of using the computer to search for certain words.

As for those who don't have a compter, it will take a very patient godly person to preach about the Kingdom of God and how to get there.
---Steveng on 10/2/09


steveng-
///"Don't you realise that most "denominational churches" actually encourage us to live 24/7 Christian Lifestyle,"///
In response to the above, you say ///If "churches" DID teach this, then there wouldn't be anyone going to church on Sundays.///

Why do you believe no one would be going to church on Sundays? I'm not sure what you meant.
---Donna66 on 10/2/09


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There one in the same
Read Phillp Mauro The gospel of the Kingdom" this will help dispel the teaching that there are two different gospels in that respect.
Christ has always been KING "King of Kings" the earthly reign is just plain bad interpretation of the Scriptures that many teach. Christ reigns right now... He is God. He has always reigned. When He condescended to this earth He took on the office of Prophet, Priest and King to redeem His people, which he does unequivocally. He is called the redeemer coz that is what He did and does. The kingdom is made up of all the church (called out ones) those in Christ are already in the kingdom.
---steven-rem7000 on 10/2/09


Steveng .... "Yes, people do need online searches"

Wow !!!

I never thought about that ... I wonder how all previous generations managed?

& did you get that information from the Bible or did the Holy Spirit tell you?

And what are you going to do to help alll those who can't afford a computer, if it is so essential?

Just joking!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/2/09


It is "the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen. This is the true grace of God wherein you stand, that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations. He that believes [in the salvation and Lordship of Christ] and shall endure to the end, will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations. Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ." The two are integrally intertwined, It is by grace through faith that "The kingdom of God is within you."
---Josef on 10/2/09


alan8566_of_uk: "Don't you realise that most "denominational churches" actually encourage us to live 24/7 Christian Lifestyle,"

Do you honestly believe that is true? If "churches" DID teach this, then there wouldn't be anyone going to church on Sundays.

alan8566_of_uk: "We don't need "on-line" searches...."

Yes, people do need online searches, it makes searching the bible easier. KJV is the most accurate bible.

alan8566_of_uk: "Nor do we need your mini-denomination of Stevengism"

I teach only what Christ says and from the Holy Spirit - not from concordances, author's opinions, other christian reference books, and novels.
---Steveng on 10/1/09


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Kathr, I want to compliment you. In your answer, you seem to be a person who is dillegent when it comes to studying scripture.
---Rob on 10/1/09


Steveng ... What an obsession you have !!

Don't you realise that most "denominational churches" actually encourage us to live 24/7 Christian Lifestyle, and to support "one another," & "each other," in that KJV bible search for "one another," "each other,"

We don't need "on-line" searches, and Biblical teaching is available not only from the KJV.

Nor do we need your mini-denomination of Stevengism
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/1/09


tom2,

Genesis 6:8-9: "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."
1 Peter 5:5: "Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble."
---Nana on 10/1/09


Do not let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, there wrong and shallow answers built on men's thoughts and ideas. Instead, do only what Jesus said.

You need to remember that Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God and how to get there. It's through God's love and grace that give humanity a second chance through Jesus.

Do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches."
---Steveng on 9/30/09


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The Gospel of the Kingdom is the Kingdom Reign of Jesus Christ when He reigns as KING at His second coming to earth. There is no mystery here, and was fully revealed in the OT.

The Gospel of GRACE is what waas KEPT secret and revealed NOW after Jesus rose from the dead.

The Gospel of GRACE is faith in Jesus death and resurrection and OUR identifying with Him in death and resurrection life, crucified with Christ.

Those who enter into the Kingdom Reign, those who come through the Great Tribulation( still flesh) will not be saying I AM CRUCIFIED with Christ, only the Church can say that. And those who are, will actually be GLORIFIED together with Christ at His coming to reign in the Kingdom for 1000 years.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/09


eloy,grace from God is not merited
---tom2 on 9/30/09


Gospel of the kingdom is more about the reign of Jesus Christ over all things. It is the end-time gospel of power. Grace is definitely a part of this great gospel.
---Jerry_Brandt on 9/30/09


Well, God's kingdom is God's realm of how He is in love . . . in grace.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/29/09


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Grace is merited, not unmerited: the command is obey, and I will give you grace, the command is not disobey, and I will give you grace: no, by no means, but the command is disobey, and you will receive my wrath.
---Eloy on 9/30/09


grace by definition is the unmerited reward,or gift given someone.The only gospel IAM aware of is the gospel of jesus christ,difintion of gospel,the GOOD NEWS,OR TRUTH
---tom2 on 9/29/09


I thought they were two parts of the same kerygma, just like my fingers and eyes and lips are all parts of the same me.

Just like my fingers, eyes, and lips cannot survive when separated from me, neither can the parts of the Gospel stand when separated from each other.
---Cluny on 9/29/09


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