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I think most everyone here (whether or not they will admit it) knows exactly who the Mother of Harlots is. They also refuse to accept who her harlot daughters are.

They came out of her and they all follow the same false doctines (except for that pagan Mary worship, which they flipped on.) Those remaining false doctrines are the Trinity... and baptism, by use of every method and title--other than by submersion, in the name of Jesus.

Their refusal to accept that there is ONE God and that Jesus is the ONLY acceptable name to be used for remission of sin, has sent millions straight to hell.

I ain't gonna mention any names: but they ALL were born of their Mother Harlot, through her fornication with the Kings of the Earth.
---BruceB on 3/6/10


Do those struggling seekers represent diamonds in the rough that will bring the treasures of their spiritual life into the congregation or just another tithe, as long as they will behave?

In Revelation 17.4 the womans wealth and splendor is accompanied by cursed offenses. Verse 5 labels the woman Babylon. Much of todays culture associates an individual life with material existence. The motivation of greed supports the culture, the confusion of what real life is brings disillusionment, Christ is the answer.

The book of Revelation portrays the heavenly coronation of the Lord of Lords, Jesus and the overthrow of all that which opposes His Kingdom
---mike on 11/30/09


This apocalyptic style of writing was favored by persecuted profit for its ability to cryptically discuss current conditions as well as end of days motifs. Frequently, this style of literature focuses on cities, both symbolic and actual. Specific interpretation is difficult to achieve by design, but are surely hinted at in other verses, the book as a whole and in light of other scripture. The end of days motifs are more interesting to me, in helping with life today, however identifying a specific modern institution for this allegory of evil, seems particularly wrong.
---mike on 11/30/09


Justin
Not only r-catholocism & her offspring Man-made churches, it'l be the other Man-mades also, islams relig, hindu's, mohammed, buddha, moonies etc, hare hrisnas etc. Even those that turned away from God.
---Lawrence on 11/30/09


The love of money is the root of all evil. I believe this referes to the 'religion of money' where people will live only for the aqusition of wealth. The kings and the hills could be 'regional banking departments'. Economic enslavement to this new world order will be all that matters. Subduction and enslavement to a global cashless socioty. The one true God will be hated by this ruleing power. No worshiping or objecting to this 'order', harlot will be allowed. But it, this new global government, along with he, she, they, will not last long.
I do not believe this is talking solely about the Catholic religion as some teach.
---justin on 11/25/09




Rev 17 speaks to the culmination of evil as it exists in the world and will peak prior to the second coming of Christ. The harlot is bigger than just the RCC or any other religious group. It is bigger than any particular "law" breakers (read Gal 4 & 5). It is bigger than any one nation as well. It is a flawed view to focus on any one source of evil as it refers to huge unseen forces. Our war is not against flesh and blood.
---jody on 11/24/09


John 1:11 Rom.15:8

Matt.19:27 "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee, what shall we have therefore?
28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel"
Do you suppose the tribe of Judah is in these twele tribes?
---michael_e on 11/23/09


do these passages mean anything to anyone?
John 1:11 "He came unto his own, and his own received him not"
Rom 15:8 "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:"
---michael_e on 11/21/09

Judah was his own nation. Northern house of Israel was divorced.

When/knowing they would have him not he went to Nothern House...Lost Sheep of House of Israel.
Matt 10:6
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Why mention this? Because Judah was not lost sheep. Judah does not equal all nations of Israel like most churches teach.

Matthew 7:13
---Trav on 11/22/09


do these passages mean anything to anyone?
John 1:11 "He came unto his own, and his own received him not"
Rom 15:8 "Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:"
---michael_e on 11/21/09


Rev. 7:4.And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

This are symbolical number of save individuals during church age period. ( May 22, 33 AD the day of Pentecost May 21, 1988)
The number relates to completeness. They are the people scattered all over the world. But it does not mean they are all Jews as other interprets. After Jesus died he stop using the Nation Israel as God representation kingdom but transferred to churches who evangelized the world with gospel.
---sally on 11/21/09




P - Jim.
I didn't say anything about Christ changing anything. That's right, Jesus didn't change it, it was the spiritually blind roman pagan leader constantine of the first trin-church
300-a.d. that changed the Holy Days.
That was 300 some yr's after that God's Church was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20, Gal 1 v's 8-9.
For the man constantine & his followers (Rev 17 v's 4-6) went to kill off the early Jesus Name Church saints. They didn't kill them all off, by The Grace of God, We are still here. Saints have been called home since then. When the rapture takes place, then the rest of The Jesus Name saints will be called home.
---Lawrence on 11/19/09


I looked on Jewish web-sites & it said the Jewish sabbath is from Fri-evening to Sat-evening their time for Worship the first day of the week.
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I looked in the Holy Word of God

Sabbath is for Gods people

all who worship the TRUE God observe his Sabbath

Christ is LORD of Gods Sabbath

Christ as a JEW NEVER observed suns-day

Apostles NEVER observed suns-day

PER SCRIPTURE there is nothing called a Jewish Sabbath this is RCC's terminology adopted hundreds of years ago because they HATE the JEWS ...this is why centuries ago RCC exterminated all life form that OBSERVED Gods Sabbath
---Rhonda on 11/19/09


Rhonda great posts!

Christ never changed the Holy Days or the Sabbath. It was change by the Pagan Roman Emperor Constantine(300AD).

They pushed Gods Holy Days aside and replaced them with Pagan Holy Day (i.e. Christmas, Easter and Sunday) As a result we now call the Holy Days "Jewish"

So now they only following 9 commandments.

As the Sabbath points to our final day of rest. The 2nd coming of Christ for He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Shabat Shalom!
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/19/09


I looked on Jewish web-sites & it said the Jewish sabbath is from Fri-evening to Sat-evening their time for Worship the first day of the week. Their calendar.
Web-sites said the gentile sabbath was Sunday, our time for Worship on the fist day of the week. The gentile calendar.
I believe it this way, Jesus Is our sabbath or our rest & I Worship Him every day, & with Thanksgiving unto Him every day.
---Lawrence on 11/19/09


Lawrence

your "calendar theory" is not from Holy Word of God

who led you to believe a calendar created a holy day of Sabbath on suns-day

check with RCC - this system tells all who worship on suns-day they worship HER because by her authority she created suns-day worship and all who choose to DISMISS Gods Holy Sabbath are disobeying HIM because NOTHING from NT dictates suns-day worship

True Christians follow Gods Word in TRUTH and SPIRIT - Christ was our example given to us by word through Apostles - Christ never bowed down and worshiped on Satan's sun day

Christ kept the Sabbath - He is Lord of the Sabbath he created it ...per Gods Word there is no such thing as a "jewish sabbath"
---Rhonda on 11/18/09


I'm refering to gentile-roman calendar.
The Jewish people Are under their own calendar & the gentile-roman Are under their own calendar.
The Jewish & the gentile-roman calendar is Not the same calendar.
The Jewish people worship on Saturday & the gentiles worship on Sunday.
---Lawrence on 11/17/09


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Rhonda
The Jewish sabbath is Saturday.

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Lawrence the first lie you embraced from MOTHER RCC (Rev 17) is that there is a "Jewish Sabbath" - this is from the reasoning of men there is NO Jewish Sabbath in Word of God

Christ was a JEW - lest you forget

second lie you embraced is that the gentiles have a "sabbath" and AGAIN the Suns-day Worship is TO RCC this system created this day and ALL who worship on this day bow down to HER - nothing in Holy Word of God for a "gentile sabbath"
---Rhonda on 11/17/09


Rhonda
The Jewish sabbath is Saturday.

When the man constantine (gentile) started the Man-made blind faith of r-catholocism (2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15) & was under the r-calendar. That makes Sunday the gentile sabbath.
---Lawrence on 11/17/09


Please, my brothers & sisters in Christ: Ephesians 4:1-3, Colossians 3:14-16, John 13:35, Acts 7:26, Philippians 2:14-15, 1 Cor 1:11-13, 3:3-5, 1 Cor 4:5 Romans 12:4-5, 1 Cor 12:11-13 (includes all demoninations: for those with eyes to see, let them see). I admonish you to edify each other with love and through the Word of God. The evil one loves when we tear each other down. Don't become offended and submit to that temptation. I pray for harmony among us (His body) in the name of our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
---Tom on 11/13/09


---pierr5358 on 10/1/09 said this and I totally agree.

"The ID of Babylon:
1. She persecuted the saints.
2. She was dressed in purple and scarlet.
3. She ruled over the kings of the earth.
= The ORGANIZATION called the PAPACY.
---mima on 11/13/09


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Why do YOU waste your time being a member of a denomination that by your own admission you don't believe contains all the truth? That, at best, has only a PIECE of the truth?

That's why I'm a member of the world's only PRE-denominational Church--the one Jesus founded, and therefore contains ALL the truth.
---Cluny on 10/31/09

See what I mean...you're stuck. I'm not a member of any denom. I cannot be now, ever. I am a member of Christians...looking and seeking truth.

I've seen your truth Cluny....while it may improve with scripture and prophets...it's a little unsupported right now. Ironically probably is the largest group numbered by bodies, that is. Wide is the way...
---Trav on 11/3/09


\\Similar to you. This is what bothers me...no denom has all the truth...some all have a piece of it. Why belong to a Named denom that is stuck. \\

Why do YOU waste your time being a member of a denomination that by your own admission you don't believe contains all the truth? That, at best, has only a PIECE of the truth?

That's why I'm a member of the world's only PRE-denominational Church--the one Jesus founded, and therefore contains ALL the truth.
---Cluny on 10/31/09


the church is all believers...not a denomination..the protestants... lets be honest they all still follow some of the catholic church dont they...sunday worship is an example..the pope changed it..the sabbath..nowi dont go to church on sat either, ... easter bunny evolves around the fertility pagan holiday...passover...we dont hardly observe....
---pat_miaoulis on 10/21/09

Similar to you. This is what bothers me...no denom has all the truth...some all have a piece of it. Why belong to a Named denom that is stuck.

Christ freed in truth Christians. There are twelve gates in revelations....into one house. Not a Methodist gate, a Catholic (universal) gate, Baptist etc.
---Trav on 10/23/09


the church is all believers...not a denomination..the protestants... lets be honest they all still follow some of the catholic church dont they...sunday worship is an example..the pope changed it..the sabbath..nowi dont go to church on sat either, but we all have been mislead in other ways..christmas...we teach our kids about santa..move the letters ..satan..we make him omnipresent,all knowing, never dies,knows all persons deeds and rewards or holds back..etc... easter bunny evolves around the fertility pagan holiday...passover...we dont hardly observe..then easter we say good frioday and worship on sunday but any scholor of the word nows thats not 3 days and 3 nights..jesus was buried on wensday night and rose on sat night..seek the truth
---pat_miaoulis on 10/21/09


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Donna66: "...But I had in mind foreign missions, where transportation to the field can be very expensive. In many countries it's not possible for a foreigner to live off the economy."

With God anything is possible. My cousin traveled from Texas to England and traveled around Europe by bicycle during the summer of 1979. She took a cruise ship to England by working on the ship in lieu of the fare. Our whole family is like that - bartering for what we need. In fact, the so-called financial crises hasn't hurt any of us. Christians will need to know how to barter during the tribulation.
---Steveng on 10/21/09


It is through denominational churches that mission work is done. So if denominational churches are of Satan, ..

lone ranger Christian cannot do it.
---lee on 10/16/

The Blind Churches do not know what the mission is anymore. At one time they might have.
Translation of Satan is adversary. Churches can be adversarial/adverse to Gospel. We've witnessed world wide for around 2,000 years. Our Christian form of Government was an inspiration to many country's.....because of the blessings we shared or taught. Yet collective enemy is allowed in our camp....by so Called Christians and their utter blindness. Wake up. Dust feet when applicable. Dust feet outta largest denom's! Better Lone Ranger than in Danger.
---Trav on 10/21/09


Steveng -- I appreciate your service to the Lord. But I had in mind foreign missions, where transportation to the field can be very expensive. In many countries it's not possible for a foreigner to live off the economy. Ideally, each country should produce numerous "home-grown" missionaries (like you), but that's not possible everywhere yet.
---Donna66 on 10/21/09


Donna66: "Steveng -- If it were not for denominational churches, there would be few missionaries. Most missionaries need the help of an organization to get to, and survive on, the mission field."

Why? I did it hitchhiking across North America for a year and a half without the aid of any organization. My first mission was a mission from God. Although I had fifteen thousand dollars in the bank (from selling my half of a partnership), I didn't use one red cent. In fact, when I returned to Los Angeles I had twenty three thousand dollars in the bank (from money earned on the road from odd jobs, but mostly playing my guitar). The apostles did it without any organization backing them up.
---Steveng on 10/20/09


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Steveng -- If it were not for denominational churches, there would be few missionaries. Most missionaries need the help of an organization to get to, and survive on, the mission field.

I can share some from my own experience.I did some short term mission work in Ecuador some years ago. There were people of three different denominations (none RC) in the area where I was. To this day, I cannot tell you the differences between them, because all taught a simple salvation message of faith in Jesus Christ. In a primitive setting, among very needy people, denominational teachings and practices became quite unimportant.
---Donna66 on 10/19/09


//Missionary work teaches the same doctrine the denominational "churches" teach - their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible.

There can be nothing inherently wrong with that if the gospel is preached for it is Christ that saves, not always right beliefs.

If 2 missionary denominations entered a town with different viewpoints, new converts would be left with the interpretataion they believe best fits what the believe the Bible teaches.

Of course, if 2 missionaries of the same denomination entered the town there could also be a differences in viewpoint much the same as was the case with those before denominations even existed.
---lee on 10/19/09


lee: "It is through the denominational churches that mission work is done. So if the denominational churches are of Satan, then I guess we need Satan to advance the gospel- ridiculous!!!!"

"Mission work" according to whose gospel? Missionary work teaches the same doctrine the denominational "churches" teach - their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. If two denominational missionaries each from different denominations entered the same town, who would the new converts believe?

There are missionaries who do not belong to any denominational "church."
---Steveng on 10/16/09


Cluny: "And you don't seem to understand that "non-denominatal churches" are just as denomination in their own way."

That's right. Any church that is taxed exempt under 501(c)(3) fall under the strict rules and regulations of the government/IRS.

Cluny: "Join the only PRE-DENOMINATIONAL Church!"

What's wrong with simply having a personal relationship with God? There are tens of thousands of chrisitans who don't belong to any corporate organization and who does God's work - if not more work - without the middleman (the denominational "churches)."
---Steveng on 10/16/09


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cluny, No saint from Christ is vain, nor are we able to bear any false witness: I judge righteous judgment that the catholic religion is plainly idolatrous like all beliefs of the world, and plainly disobeys Jesus' commandments.
---Eloy on 10/16/09


\\ All of you have proven that denominational "churches" are a product of "Satan" - the father of confusion.\\

And you don't seem to understand that "non-denominatal churches" are just as denomination in their own way.

Join the only PRE-DENOMINATIONAL Church!
---Cluny on 10/16/09


It is through the denominational churches that mission work is done. So if the denominational churches are of Satan, then I guess we need Satan to advance the gospel- ridiculous!!!!

As to arguments & disagreements, we find them even among the earliest church as Paul & Barnabas parted company after a heated argument over John Mark.

And then there was that terrible arguments that took place concerning the Gentiles first with Peter at Cornelius' home and then with the entire church resulting in the Jerusalem council.

Samuel simply does not realize that your need an organization for planning and for resources in order to spread the gospel, the lone ranger Christian cannot do it.
---lee on 10/16/09


All of you have proven that denominational "churches" are a product of "Satan" - the father of confusion.

Just listen to yourselves. All that bickering. What is posted is not debates, it's pure bickering. I could practically feel the hatred among you folks. Where would your faith be if all of a sudden all denominational "churches" simply disappeared? Seriously read Paul's letter to the Colossians. Isn't life difficult enough without making it more complicated through your bickering? God made living simple - believe, love, and obey him.

"Don't let others spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers..." Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 10/15/09


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\\ cluny, my name is not "those", nor is it "they", but instead my name is "Eloy", "a light" from Christ whom is commanded and sent proclaiming truth, and bearing witness to the truth. The Jews bore false-witness against Jesus, and the Romans slew him on the cross. Pontiff Pilate was the Roman governor of Judea, and he had soldiers and the centurion at his command to execute innocent Christ. Please read John 18:29 thru 19:37.\\

And are you so vain as to think you're the only one who has been saying things like this--or so vain as to think you're a light from Christ?

You and others are bearing false witness against Roman Catholicism, too.

False witness is still false witness.
---Cluny on 10/15/09


cluny, my name is not "those", nor is it "they", but instead my name is "Eloy", "a light" from Christ whom is commanded and sent proclaiming truth, and bearing witness to the truth. The Jews bore false-witness against Jesus, and the Romans slew him on the cross. Pontiff Pilate was the Roman governor of Judea, and he had soldiers and the centurion at his command to execute innocent Christ. Please read John 18:29 thru 19:37.
---Eloy on 10/15/09


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All should know that the Romans martyrd the saints of Jesus, and they even slew Jesus himself on the cross. Today the selfsame idolatry exists, and is called Roman catholicism.
---Eloy on 10/14/09//

Those who say this know nothing about church history.

They ignore the simple fact that Protestants did the same thing to Roman Catholics when they got the chance.
---Cluny on 10/14/09


//I cannot give up as the World Wide church did the keeping of all of the Ten Commandments, Conditionalism or soul sleep and that there is a day of judgement for all.

The 'conditionalism' you speak of simply states that while there are Christians in other denominations, they will be found unworthy at the Investigative judgment and condemned as it is only the remnant that obeys the 10 commandments that will be saved.

Such a view makes the SDA the only vehicle by which one may be saved eternally.

Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
---lee on 10/14/09


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All should know that the Romans martyrd the saints of Jesus, and they even slew Jesus himself on the cross. Today the selfsame idolatry exists, and is called Roman catholicism.
---Eloy on 10/14/09


Those are the kindest words you have ever said to me Lee.

While I applaud and agree with our church position that there are many Christians in many denominations a doctrine sometimes called the invisible church. A doctrine that Ellen G. White seemed to agree with.

I cannot give up as the World Wide church did the keeping of all of the Ten Commandments, Conditionalism or soul sleep and that there is a day of judgement for all.

Unlike some it is not my job to decide who is a Christian. That is GOD's and I will leave it to HIM. I just wish to proclaim what I find in the Bible. Maranatha and Agape to all.
---Samuel on 10/14/09


The Council of Laodicea was strictly a LOCAL council, with representatives from PART of the East, and has never been recongized as an Ecumenical Council.

It certainly was not a council called by that nasty ole so-called "Roman Church."
---Cluny on 10/13/09


Samuel -*I thank GOD that the SDA church does not depend on a subgroup for all our truth.

Yes indeed, there are Christians in the SDA denomination. My sister-in-law and family are Christians and SDA.

Hopefully one of these days the SDA will follow in the footsteps of the Worldwide Church of God (old Herbert W. Armstrongs group) and rid itself of the radical beliefs that do nothing but foster dislike among those that are Christians. But that will take Christians from your denomination to take control of the leadership.

Fortunately there are former SDA organizations that are attempting to do just that and they are having some success.

Thank you for having an open mind on this issue, I can respect you for that.
---lee on 10/13/09


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True Lee some SDA are still vocal opponents of other denominations and their teachings.

It is wrong for them to be hateful of others.

Is it wrong for others to say we are not Christians but a false cult?

To me this is a case of two groups being wrong. I thank GOD that the SDA church does not depend on a subgroup for all our truth.
---Samuel on 10/13/09


Rhonda -//No reputable church historian holds to White's view that the Roman church changed the Sabbath even if they have made some statements to that effect (Council of Laodicea).

If you were to read church history you would find one of the enemies of the early church was the Judaizers who simply wanted to make Christianity just another sect of Judaism by imposing strictly Jewish laws onto the early church.

It was at the Council of Laodicea such strictly judaizing practices (Sabbath keeping, dietary laws, etc,) were condemned by the church.

However if that is not sufficient for you, then tell us where in the New Covenant of the church was Sabbath keeping imposed on the early Gentile church? It just ain't there sweety!
---lee on 10/13/09


//Do you have to refer to Adventists as haters of other Christians?

While many Adventists today recognize others as Christians, there is still a very vocal wing of Adventists that still distribute literature such as Amazing Facts that condemns other Christians. One pamphlet even refers to ministers of the gospel as instruments of Satan since they do not preach Sabbath observance. If that is not hate, then what is?

And then you have that damnable Investigative Judgment belief that totally nullifies all the soteriological promises found in the Bible, it makes a liar out of Christ.

And talk to any hard-shelled Adventist and they simply tell you that it is not they that condemn but only the Bible.
---lee on 10/12/09


Rhonda -//as for the suns-day it is rcc who established this day ...seeing there is no scripture to support suns-day worship created by Constantine

No reputable church historian holds to White's view that the Roman church changed the Sabbath even if they have made some statements to that effect (Council of Laodicea).

Those that have studied the history of the Sabbath have found that the Gentile church did not observe the Jewish Sabbath by the end of the first century.

As for Constantine, all days of the week were considered workdays except Sunday throughout the Roman World. It would have been totally impractical to impose the OT Sabbath onto Gentile converts, most of whom were from lower economic & social classes.
---lee on 10/12/09


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The whole world is involved, but as a christian you do not want any part of this one world system that is being created as we speak, This system (city of Babylon) is being created for Anti-Christ to operate.
We as Christians (when anti-Christ comes)will preach against it, and eventually expose the lie, if we let the Holy Spirit speak thru us when its time. God bless.
---larry on 10/12/09


This is the City Babylon. which is nothing more than the one world system at the height of it's existence. You do not want to be part of this system,where nothing matters but fame and fortune,and ill gotten gains. This world system is in full building stage right now. remember this is a world wide system that the anti-Christ will operate when he is cast out of heaven by Michael, the arch angel.
---larry on 10/12/09


LEE: It is so sad that you cannot express your opinions in a Christlike way. Do you have to refer to Adventists as haters of other Christians?
I am an Adventist and I don't hate other Christians and I don't think I am the exception. Try to express your opinion in a more Chrstiek manner. Thanks. PR
---Pierre on 10/12/09


Adventists in their hatred of other Christians like to use this verse to condemn those who have communal worship on Sundays. But there is far more beliefs in Adventism that are questionable from a Biblical viewpoint.
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I don't know any Adventists to determine if they have "hatred" for others ...would appear no more so than those who have hatred for Adventists as evident across multiple topics here

as for the suns-day it is rcc who established this day ...seeing there is no scripture to support suns-day worship created by Constantine
---Rhonda on 10/12/09


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Apostate religions are always referred to in the Bible as prostitutes or adulterous women.

However there is nothing in the verses that would describe the nature of these apostate religions such as the eating of certain foods or worshipping the Lord on Sunday, the Lord's day.

Adventists in their hatred of other Christians like to use this verse to condemn those who have communal worship on Sundays. But there is far more beliefs in Adventism that are questionable from a Biblical viewpoint.

However, they fail miserably in finding a single verse in scripture that commands the observance of the OT Jewish Sabbath so they can hardly use this verse to describe those who truly love and follow Jesus.
---lee on 10/12/09


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rcc bishops cardinals other leaders declare those who follow suns-day SERVE and WORSHIP RCC ...even TELLING HER PROTEST-ant daughters they HAVE NOTHING from Gods Holy Word to support suns-day\\

Wrong again.

There's just one thing.

Nowhere does the Bible say it is the sole authority for faith and practice.

Nor has the historic Apostolic churches ever claimed this was their rule.

That's a notion imposed on it from the outside.

Instead, the Bible should be interpreted by what the Church actually does, rather than the other way around.

Now, tell me on what day of the week Christians should NOT worship. Is there one?

Remember that in Judaism services were NOT held weekly, but TWICE DAILY.
---Cluny on 10/10/09


Roman Catholic Church did NOT come up with Sunday worship, and you can't make this so, even if you tried with both hands.
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I'll TYPE it with both hands

rcc bishops cardinals other leaders declare those who follow suns-day SERVE and WORSHIP RCC ...even TELLING HER PROTEST-ant daughters they HAVE NOTHING from Gods Holy Word to support suns-day

WRITTEN MANY TIMES BY RCC that Gods Word does NOT have anything to support suns-day worship

they didn't "come up with" suns-day worship? then why do RCC leaders say everyone who DISOBEYS Gods Sabbath OBEYS HER because SHE declared suns-day worship

wow imagine that ...YOU can attempt to "say it ain't so" MOTHER RCC(REV 17) will TELL you otherwise
---Rhonda on 10/10/09


\\yes that is true retaliation because rcc was KILLING everyone who REFUSED ITS brand of religion and did not take ITS MARK of suns-day worship\\

Aside from the fact that Protestants killed everyone who refused its brand of religion too, the Roman Catholic Church did NOT come up with Sunday worship, and you can't make this so, even if you tried with both hands.
---Cluny on 10/6/09


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Protestants did the same thing to Roman Catholic when they got the chance.
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yes that is true retaliation because rcc was KILLING everyone who REFUSED ITS brand of religion and did not take ITS MARK of suns-day worship

however the wealth and power of rcc is FAR beyond a banded group of PROTEST-ants

rcc killed many millions

PROTEST-ant daughters killed a far smaller almost insignificant percentage in comparison to ITS MOTHER

two wrongs don't make a right ...yet rcc will rule again Rev 17 enforce ITS suns-day mark again ...over past few years more of rcc's higher ranks are asking its followers to do many things like not do business with stores open on suns-day ...just the beginning
---Rhonda on 10/5/09


\\It is common knowledge among all students of history...//

Common knowledge is frequently mistaken, especially about history.

Especially about Church history.

Especially by people who get their "knowledge" of Church history from reading Protestant polemical black legends.

Are you saying that you think that Protestants are saints?

In the last Baptist Church I was associated with, the pastor was an adulterer (his wife divorced him for this), and the minister of music had a taste for teenage boys.
---Cluny on 10/5/09


\\---Cluny you apparently have on blinders. It is common knowledge among all students of history that the Roman Catholic Church is guilty of burning many saints at the stake, and ruled over many Kings in the past. And your accusations against the Jewish people, as a Catholic, are very well understood.
---mima on 10/5/09\\

As I've repeatedly said, I'm not a Roman Catholic.

Has that not sunk in yet?

Protestants did the same thing to Roman Catholic when they got the chance.
---Cluny on 10/5/09


This is a reference to a false religious system.
---helen on 10/5/09


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---Cluny you apparently have on blinders. It is common knowledge among all students of history that the Roman Catholic Church is guilty of burning many saints at the stake, and ruled over many Kings in the past. And your accusations against the Jewish people, as a Catholic, are very well understood.
---mima on 10/5/09


I believe the passage refers to apostate Israel, the Jews who rejected Christ and were involved in the persecution of His followers in the 1st century. If the beast mentioned in this chapter is identified with the Roman Empire, then the harlot seated upon the beast's back symbolizes the 'buddying up' that occurred between the Jews and the Roman Empire as they opposed Christianity. Read Jeremiah 3 and you'll note language very similar to that of Rev 17, which I believe strongly associates apostate Israel with the woman described in Rev 17.
---Bobby3 on 10/3/09


The woman here is Local Church\congregations. Just like in Old testament woman is Israel. Israel was a woman called by God as prostitute bec. they turned against him. Today, Church should be faithful to teach the word of God, but they fail. Instead they teach mans doctine and that considers "whoring" . Babylon is church today. Check Revelation 18:4 that God commanding believers to leave the church or Babylon. In 1 Peter 4:17 Judgment begins at the house of God.
---rosalie on 10/3/09


Seems that only a few will venture an opinion. I will offer mine.

Chapter 17 and 18 belong together.

She lived sensuously and royally
She commited great acts of immorality
The whole world was drunk with her immorality
All the worlds merchants have become rich because of her
She contains many of Gods chosen people (Jews)
She is vain and arrogant
She is a great city
She buys and sells all manner of goods
She has great wealth
She has shipping ports
Her merchants were the great men of the earth
She rides or controls the entity that has seven kingdoms (heads) and ten kings (horns).
She is comprised of many peoples, tongues, and nations.

She is the USA
---Mark_Eaton on 10/3/09


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It's even been said that r-catholocism Is the first church of the apostates with their idol-graven image worship etc. The reg catholic church doesn't fallow aft popacy rules & other. Still r-catholocism & her off-spring churches Is Bible prophecy Rev 17 v's 4-6. It All started here 2nd Cori 11 v's 14-15. Such Good people but So spiritualy blind.
---Lawrence on 10/3/09


\\Can be compared in with someone saying the Holocaust did not take place.
---mima on 10/2/09\\

True, mima, except for the facts that the Roman Catholic Church honors the saints, rules over no kings, that Babylon is a city in which Jews compiled their Talmud, and Aaronic priests wore scarlet and purple.
---Cluny on 10/3/09


This statement,
"If you mean the Catholic Church, you are dead wrong:

1. We honor the Saints

2. Aaron and the priests all wear purple and scarlet in the OT.

3. Catholic Church rules over no kings .

And finally Babylon spoken of in Revelation is a CITY!
---Ruben on 10/1/09"

Can be compared in with someone saying the Holocaust did not take place.
---mima on 10/2/09


In the Hebrew Scriptures, the only Bible that John knew, there is only ONE group that is personified as a harlot, and it's no Gentile group or nation.

\\ Beats me! I can only go where God leads me.
---catherine on 10/1/09\\

God told me to tell you that you've not been listening to Him but to yourself.
---Cluny on 10/2/09


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Beats me! I can only go where God leads me.
---catherine on 10/1/09


Rewrite the entire 17th chapter using a pen. Do not use a computer because writing out the chapter slows down your thinking. Do not include the verse numbers. Place all the sentences where they should go to be grammically correct. Then read the chapter six times very slowly. Read it through the eyes of a child. Then listen to the chapter twice. Then read it once more. The rest of the chapter from Revelation 17:4-5 tells you what what you need to understand.
---Steveng on 10/1/09


Starting with the first pope constantine with other men such as nero All the way even at this present time pope, Rev 17 v's 4-6 is r-catholocism the first trin-church & her offspring churches the naz, presby, cog, luth, bapt, episc, aog etc Man-made churches.
---Lawrence on 10/1/09


The ID of Babylon:
1. She persecuted the saints.
2. She was dressed in purple and scarlet.
3. She ruled over the kings of the earth.
= The ORGANIZATION called the PAPACY.
---pierr5358 on 10/1/09

If you mean the Catholic Church, you are dead wrong:

1. We honor the Saints

2. Aaron and the priests all wear purple and scarlet in the OT.

3. Catholic Church rules over no kings .

And finally Babylon spoken of in Revelation is a CITY!
---Ruben on 10/1/09


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Read John's Gospel and you'll find out who gave Christ and His followers the most trouble.

Hint--it wasn't the Roman Empire.

Hint #2--the teaching of the scribes and Pharisees who rejected Jesus is inscribed in a series of books called the Babylonian Talmud.

Hint #3--Poppea Sabina, wife of Nero at the time Revelation was written, was not a Gentile.
---Cluny on 10/1/09


Hi, Sissy . . . good to meet you, and greetings to your Jesus people where you are . . . Revelation 17:4 > "So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns." John is carried by one of the angels who had bowls of God's wrath judgments > so, this angel of God is capable of executing God's wrath on many people, but also of personally communicating and blessing one like John who is obedient and open to God. So, this is how we need to be . . . always able to bless and love and communicate > never to let anger and judging degrade us from always being ready to love any person.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/1/09


The "other woman"
Every marriage must rely on trust and likewise in our union with Christ, we must remain faithful to Him and His word.
REV. speaks about the true bride of Christ BUT there is another woman who is trying to seduce belivers away from God's Word. REV.contains a shocking message about Babylon, the other woman. Babylon is fallen, and Christ's people must escape her charms or perish!
The ID of Babylon:
1. She persecuted the saints.
2. She was dressed in purple and scarlet.
3. She ruled over the kings of the earth.
= The ORGANIZATION called the PAPACY.
---pierr5358 on 10/1/09


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