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CHINA: Please Post.

Will this come to America?

"Illegal" children.

First, the Chinese Communist Party has unwittingly admitted that Chinese citizens must have a birth permit to be allowed to give birth.

Second, they have admitted that sterilization occurs under the One-Child Policy.

Third, they have admitted that that there is a whole population of "illegal" second children, who are not eligible for education or health care.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/09


Kthr4453 ---What I find funny is that you think senior citizens SHOULDN'T have access to Viagra. They are the ones who most often need it! Or do you just think they just shouldn't CARE any longer?Donna**

Donna, what I find FUNNIER is that you believe recreational Drugs for Senior Citizens should be funded by MY HARD WORK!!!! Or that abortions should be funded by my taxes. Or that MY Taxes should go to religious organizations promoting abortions that I DON'T believe in.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/09


Rhonda, you should know by now that the only thing that matters to a liberal is his "good intentions". What will it cost and where will the money come from? NurseRobert doesn't know and doesn't care.

It's the thought that counts. He is more noble than you because he is fighting for the "right" of "decent" (who determines what qualifies as decent?) health care for all, or so he claims. Actually, he is fighting to force one citizen to pay the health care bills of another citizen. So compassionate.

You choose to focus on things like morality, history, common sense and money. Shame on you for trying to live in reality and not the fantasy world of the liberal.
---ralph7477 on 10/8/09


Run for the hills... Healtcare is going to DESTROY America!!

You don't even see just how ridiculous you sound, do you..

Paying for health care will come from the premiums YOU, companies and I will pay. It will come from taxes we all pay.

Last numbers (out today) will be $829 billion and cover 94% of the population (they need to work on that, it should be 100%).

"The Congressional Budget Office added that the legislation would reduce federal deficits by $81 billion over a decade and probably lead to "continued reductions in federal" red ink in the years beyond." (CBO).

I have no problem with spending this much to make sure people have the health care they need.
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09


I am so glad that the stripes of Jesus can never be exhausted and that the controversy between the inward man that is renewed day by day and the outward man that is perishing is settled by those same stripes. Health assurance is greater than health insurance, therefore, any worries (real or imagined) are laid to rest.
---Linda on 10/8/09




If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09

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yes ignorance IS bliss and your post just proved it ...just keep posting ALL your fancy statistics and RUN AND DODGE where your glorious government healthcare money will come from

slick package huh ...talk all about the benefits you have "proved" and AVOID how much the TAX PAYERS will be soaked

yes NurseRobert ignorance is bliss and the liberal wing HOPES IGNORANCE will win and pass a health care system that will DESTROY America
---Rhonda on 10/7/09


You're right.

No healthcare bill. We can't afford it.
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the "we" are the TAX PAYERS ....have THEY been asked if THEY can "afford it"??

NO THEY HAVE NOT ...because even though NurseRobert has some "inside information" and a world of "knowledge" on this subject just like the government who wants to SHOVE this bill down our throats NOBODY has ANY information on how much it will COST we the people - the tax payers

Nobody knows ...it's a BIG mystery

Atheist do you know? ...or will you DODGE and RUN like NurseRobert and just say that it "won't cost too much more"
---Rhonda on 10/7/09


Ralph, you're a smart guy.... go back and CAREFULLY read my posts. You will find the question.
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09


Kthr4453 ---What I find funny is that you think senior citizens SHOULDN'T have access to Viagra. They are the ones who most often need it! Or do you just think they just shouldn't CARE any longer?

That aside---
You make a valid point. Many provisions, sometimes TOTALLY unrelated to the original bill, get added at the last minute and passed along with the rest of the bill.
It's politics, politics, politics.

---Donna on 10/7/09


Wayne,

Here's the bottom line on the health care bill. Do you want or need a bunch of insurance company bureaucrats who do the job they were hired to do which is to deny as many claims as possible? In all cases it is people who are hired as claims administrators telling you what will be covered and how, when, and if you would receive treatment. They are the death panel.

Wayne, I agree with you completely. Your entry just needed a little editing....
---atheist on 10/7/09




"You would have these babies die because it suits YOUR purpose."

Really? What "purpose" would that be?

"And I notice you never answered the question. I guess you don't have the answer either."

What question? Ask me again and I'll answer anything you like.
---ralph7477 on 10/7/09


NurseRobert --That's a good point. Probably a good portion of the funds would be better spent on good prenatal care...But you know as well as I, that good prenatal care only prevents so many LBW or other problem infants.

MY comment had to do with WHY the oft quoted INFANT MORTALITY RATE for the US is misleading. This statistic cannot be construed to mean that medical care, or even neonatal care, in the US is inferior.
---Donna66 on 10/7/09


Something everyone needs to consider. When passing these bills... other things get slipped through. I believe this happened with Viagra for Senior Citizens, being paid for with tax payer money. I know you may THINK that's funny, but the fact, that it was not known until AFTER the fact AND my friends..THAT is how things work in Washington.

Let's be really careful we are not being USED to actually pass other bills through that cannot be reversed...especially concerning your PRIVACY! Maybe you need to look thoroughly at the WHOLE package AND the Long term effects. Unfortunately we live in a society today that wants INSTANT gratification with little regard for what we will be leaving to the next generation to have to endure!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/09


Nurse: "How much of this could have gone to prenatal care to prevent premature births?"

I would have thought a good liberal like you would want to spend all that saved money on more abortions.
---jerry6593 on 10/7/09


Here's the bottom line on the health care bill. Do you want or need a bunch of gov bureaucrats who can't do the job they were elected to do in the first place managing your health care for you? In some cases it would be people who are appointed to positions of authority telling you what would be covered and how and when you would receive treatment.
---wayne on 10/7/09


You're right.

No healthcare bill. We can't afford it.

Sure insurance companies will keep raising price and excluding the sick, and, 45,000 people a year will die for lack of medical care. But it's modern times, and it's economic survival of the fittest. Can't get healthcare cause you haven't figured out how to get enough money? Die.

Those who learn to make money by manipulating it will live longer and longer (along with their children) because medical care for the very wealthy will get better and better. Those without it can work for the rich until they die, but their numbers will always be sufficient to satisfying the ever longer living rich.

Darn, I am not rich. I don't think this works for me.
---atheist on 10/7/09


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Tell you what, Rhonda. YOU find the numbers and post it here.

I don't know it all but obviously more than you do. You don't bother to studying the bills or look at facts, instead you run around like chicken little regurgitating what right wingnut talking heads tell you to say.

Your insurance company already limits you as to who you can see. If you had decent insurance you could see the specialist you need (not necessarily the one you want).

Im fighting for the right of EVERYONE to have decent health care. You, on the other hand, are fighting only for yourself.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09


Rhonda:

This country's military spending is an order of magnitude greater than any other programs. Arguing over the cost of health care while ignoring the cost of the military is choking on gnats while swallowing camels.
---StrongAxe on 10/7/09


Nurse, you're the guy that introduced infant mortality. Your concern rang hollow for the reasons I stated.
--ralph7477 on 10/6/09

You're right, Ralph, I did. And I stand by it. You would have these babies die because it suits YOUR purpose.

And I notice you never answered the question. I guess you don't have the answer either..
---NurseRobert on 10/7/09


Per the Census Bureau, almost 22% of families make over $100,000.
******

I DIDN'T SAY FAMILIES

yes how nice both spouses work more than 40 hours a week (not including their commute to go to work and their commute to day care) to squeak by the 100K mark as a COLLECTIVE income

...not exactly $100K income INDIVIDUAL earners but if that's what it takes for you to BUY the MEDIA's hype by all means dig that HOLE deeper and keep your head in the sand
---Rhonda on 10/7/09


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NurseRobert

AGAIN who is going to PAY?

you seem to be the all mighty know it all on this topic posting frantically to everyone who has ANYTHING to say against it

so enlighten us all

WHO WILL PAY


America is BANKRUPT or do you have some OTHER statistic that says otherwise?

will YOU guarantee my taxes will not increase by more than 15% a year?

if one of my children gets hurt will YOU guarantee I can CONTINUE to see the specialists of MY CHOICE?

What is it you are truly fighting for?

disinformation campaign you seem so frightened of is REALLY the side you are BLINDLY preaching for
---Rhonda on 10/7/09


The reason the infant mortality rate is higher in the United Staes is because we attempt to SAVE babies that would die in utero or at birth in other countries. We go all out, keeping them in NICU. For many it's touch and go... they often don't make it.
---Donna66 on 10/6/09

And oftimes they do make it, but at what cost? Average cost for medical care for a premi or LWB baby for the first year: $49,000. In 2002, almost half of hospital charges for premies, or about $7.4 billion, were billed to employers and other private insurers. Who paid the rest?

How much of this could have gone to prenatal care to prevent premature births?
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


NurseRobert--//Conversatives (sic) are against birth control, they are against education in schools//??? Not the conservatives I know!!! Hey, if we didn't believe in birth control, maybe we wouldn't be part of the minority party! We don't always like the way sex-ed in schools is handled.
---Donna66 on 10/6/09


Hey Robert, since when do liberals care about babies dying?
Yes, Ralph you are half right because as usual BOTH sides miss target. Conservatives tend to recognize the value of every life in the womb as do I, however they slept in comfort at the "Shock & Awe" program that bombed the snot out of 1 and 2-year old toddlers in Baghdad. Liberals stand in horror at the bombings and sleep easy at the dismemberment in partial-birth abortions. I remember Cheney announcing the program and bombing of Iraq's version of Chicago with a sense of glee at the fireworks. It was sick. If you cry for those murdered in the womb do the same for post-womb civilians.
God HATES the shedding of innocent blood in AND outside the womb.
---larry on 10/6/09


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Also, Donna:

Access to an emergency room for uninsured patients is not the same as access to coordinated care. Physicians are required to stabilize patients in an emergency, they are NOT required to treat the condition comprehensively. (Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, 42 U.S.C. 1395dd)

Most times, those without insurance will NOT follow up for treatment because they cannot afford it.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


Nurse, you're the guy that introduced infant mortality. Your concern rang hollow for the reasons I stated.

You can't think abortion is all that much of a disgrace when you have a hand in furthering and strengthening it by standing with, and supporting its proponents. You can't have it both ways.
---ralph7477 on 10/6/09


When I was in grad school, one of my research projects was on the Free Clinics. They require that the working poor take a day off from work to be seen by a doctor. (Most of the working poor don't get sick days, so they lose a days pay.) The free clinic does not staff specialists for the first visit, so one must be seen by the doctor one day, and then get on a waiting list for the specialist, to take another day off from work, and Lord knows when the appointment would be taken care of.

For the suburb I live in, the closest Free Clinic to where I live is about 45 minutes away, and is not accessible by public transportation. Pity the poor working stiff who needs medical care in my county.
---Trish9863 on 10/6/09


But those in the middle, who make a little more than the minimum cap, can't get either.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/09

And you think these people are going to have enough money left over in their budget to PAY FOR health insurance under Obama's plan? It's not going to be free, you know. And it still won't be cheap. Yet most of these people are living paycheck to paycheck.

One of my nephews got married a few years ago and took out health insurance which wasn't cheap, yet he was making very little working only part-time. He has a $2,000 or $3,000 yearly deductible, but he still managed to purchase the insurance.

It's all in your priorities.
---Gary on 10/6/09


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Rhonda and Donna, StrongAxe is exactly right on the danger of believing health care is readily available and/or affordable for those who need it.
Wellpoint Insurance this week laying off workers and now SUING the State of Maine for denying its 18% rate increase request is a harbinger of things to come and reflects exactly what NurseRobert and others have been arguing. These companies need competition and left to themselves they will collude to keep prices high and eventually too high for even you. Eighteen percent, did you get that?

I am sure you are both very fine young ladies but your logic perplexes me.
---larry on 10/6/09


Rhonda:

I know quite a few people whos lives were permanently damaged (or lost) because they needed timely medical treatment, but couldn't get it because they were uninsured, or their insurers refused or delayed coverage. This was not a matter of them ignoring their conditions, but rather their insurers doing so in order to save money.

Freedom to choose your own doctor? It depends on your insurance. Most plans limit you to partners in their own networks, or doctors in their own clinics.


Donna66:

Health care is good for upper layers of society (who have insurance), and lower layers (who qualify for public care). But those in the middle, who make a little more than the minimum cap, can't get either.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/09


Hey Robert, since when do liberals care about babies dying?

---ralph7477 on 10/6/09

Ralph, I knew you would bring up abortion. A great diversion from the topic at hand.

Abortion in this country is abhorrent and a national disgrace. You won't get an argument from me. But since when is that a reason to deny health care of millions of people.

Conversatives are against birth control, they are against education in schools. Their best argument is No touchy feely, otherwise known as abstinence only (which studies show does not work). Tell me Ralph, just how would you "compassionate" conservatives fix it?

Now, back to our topic..
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


I meant the ER is free for all who can't afford it.
Charity funds are donated, not taxed.

The reason the infant mortality rate is higher in the United Staes is because we attempt to SAVE babies that would die in utero or at birth in other countries. We go all out, keeping them in NICU. For many it's touch and go... they often don't make it.
---Donna66 on 10/6/09


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what absurd statistics where is your "source"?
---Rhonda on 10/6/09

Let's see.. National Coalition on Health Care, Harvard University (published in Health Affairs), The American Medical Association, The American Journal of Medicine, Scientific American, and multiple websites you can google, if you are so inclined.

I'm not sure where YOU are getting your information but, once again, my suggestion is to spend some time LOOKING instead of listening to others. You just might learn something.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


this country already is bankrupt. as long as we produce nothing and consume everything , there is only one way to go down. nothing is free somebody has to pay. if you think the govt. can do it , ask a veteran what he thinks of military hospitals before the war
---jerry on 10/6/09


I know many people ...STILL ignore their illness

And I know many people who ignore their illness because the CAN'T afford health care. How is that right?

so we change to a government health care system with POOR care for EVERYONE - more than 90% of US makes LESS THAN $100K a year and and most likely pushing TAX RATE to 50%

Again with the hyperbole. What makes you think that people will get poor care? Will this change the doctors attitude towards care? All of a sudden they will give lousy care? This is a ridiculous statement - one you cannot back up with facts.

Per the Census Bureau, almost 22% of families make over $100,000.

You should check your facts before spewing them.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


Hey Robert, since when do liberals care about babies dying?

You mean to tell me that an infant all of a sudden acquires some importance at birth, when just a few months earlier while the infant was still in the womb, it would have been just peachy keen with all of you if the mother saw fit to kill the very same infant? Please, spare me.

Of course, Obama may have indirectly added to the infant mortality rate due to the fact that he supported the practice of withholding life saving care from babies who miraculously survived an abortion attempt. After all, he felt that we have to respect the wishes of the mother who wanted the infant dead.
---ralph7477 on 10/6/09


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Those who don't have insurance that ignore their serious illness are the one's most apt to die
*****

so TAX PAYERS should foot the bill for stupidity?

a government run health care is not going to make people who IGNORE their body or health all of the sudden start caring because insurance is available

I know many people employed by fortune 500 companies having the BEST medical coverage available and STILL ignore their illness

so we change to a government health care system with POOR care for EVERYONE - more than 90% of US makes LESS THAN $100K a year

most likely pushing TAX RATE to 50% for middle class so the MINORITY of "poor" (less than 12%) have MORE
---Rhonda on 10/6/09


The Emergency Room is free to all. And most hospitals have charity funds available to cover in-patient care for those who don't qualify for Medicaid (state subsidized care).
---Donna66 on 10/5/09

Donna, since when is the ER "free" to all? And where do you think these "charity funds" come from?

Oh, and Ralph... The United States ranks 43rd in lowest infant mortality rate, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990.... but then, I guess that babies die every day too....
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


Rhonda stated: Many large cities there are clinics that serve the poor everyday for FREE

More people in rural areas are uninsured that those in urban areas... Tell us who takes care of them?

what most do not understand is many thousands of nurses and healthcare workers will be unemployed ...hundreds of private offices clinics hospitals will close

According to WH0?? Where are your facts? Back it up.

your freedom to CHOOSE a Doctor facility even type of treatment will be gone ..

More rightwing disinformation. Where in ANY of the health care bills does it say this? Simple answer NO WHERE.

Rhonda, you need to spend time researching instead of listening to Beck and Hannity.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


Any of these deaths are only indirectly related to not having health insurance. Basic health screening can usually be obtained at little or no cost from health fairs, promotional efforts or neighborhood clinics, It would help to have more of these and publicize them better. But still the responsibility rests on the individual to use them.
Many obese people have life threatening cardiac, respiratory or other conditions. Bariatric surgery doesn't "cure" anything, in fact it takes months to be effective at all. Someone who died waiting for surgery would no doubt have died anyway because of the severity of their disease.
---Donna66 on 10/6/09


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I can personally relate to the person with the $100,000 medical bill.

When I had cancer, I was totally uninsured. A foremost cancer center told me my chemotherapy would cost $200,000.
So I found an oncologist closer to home. I told him I'd pay, but it might take a long time so please give me "no frills" treatment. He gave me a steep discount and so did the radiation oncologists after he bargained with them. My surgical and hospital bill were all but cancelled due to charity funds. Some services were mysteriously NEVER billed. I tried to decline a very expensive newly approved drug, but the drug company offered to pay.

Don't think I'm the first these people helped. But they don't get, or seek, thanks for it.
---Donna66 on 10/6/09


NurseRobert

what absurd statistics where is your "source"? some "sources" cite irresponsibility divorce and job loss for majority of those claiming bankruptcy don't see any "sources" claiming health costs

more than 100K people die every year for taking prescription medication CORRECTLY

we could cite all kinds of "statistics" about what is wrong with health care and it will never make it right

taking health care to government is DANGEROUS and will result in more deaths and MORE people receiving half-baked "care"

amount of PEOPLE who will LOOSE their jobs will be FAR MORE than amount of "poor" people who do not have health care
---Rhonda on 10/6/09


The Emergency Room is free to all. And most hospitals have charity funds available to cover in-patient care for those who don't qualify for Medicaid (state subsidized care).
---Donna66 on 10/5/09

Correct, Donna66. I've had friends who have used these free services. It is ILLEGAL for a hospital to turn down a patient when it is life threatening, whether they have insurance or the money to pay or they have nothing.

Those who don't have insurance that ignore their serious illness are the one's most apt to die.
---Gary on 10/6/09


God is punishing us for our selfishness, our materialism.
---amand6348 on 10/5/09

Give me a break...
Just HOW is God punishing us?? OH, WAIT!!! He gave us Obama...
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


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Donna: Based on which study you look at anywhere between 13000 to 45000 people die each year because of lack of health care.

The National Academies Institute of Medicine reviewed 100 studies released since 2002.

They determined uninsured Americans frequently delay or forgo doctors visits, prescription medications, and other effective treatments, even when they have serious disease or life-threatening conditions. Because uninsured adults seek health care less often than insured adults, they are often unaware of health problems such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or early-stage cancer. Uninsured adults are also much less likely to receive vaccinations, cancer screening and other effective preventive services.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


amand6348:

The huge US debt is due to the collossal over-spending by the Bush administration, especially the tremendous military spending in Iraq (now in year six after Bush declared it over), without ever finding a way to pay for it.


Donna66:

I know one person who passed away while waiting on a list for 2 years for bariatric surgery.


Rhonda:

Is having a government bureaucrat tell you whether you can have a procedure or not any worse than having an insurance company bureaucrat do it (whose primary goal is to increase corporate profits)? Also, a friend spent 8 days in the hospital, costing more than $100,000 - more than the value of his home. Without insurance that WOULD definitely have bankrupted him.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/09


Donna,

Goggle:

'Uniquely American Death Panels: Lack of Health Insurance Associated with 45,000 Premature Deaths/year.'---for an article.

or


"Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults" for the full paper, published in American Journal of Public Health, September 17, 2009.
---atheist on 10/6/09


Atheist--
// People die everyday because they can't get health care because they don't have health insurance.//

Can you back this statement up with some objective facts?
I've spent many years working in the medical field. And I doubt it happens "every day" or even very often.
(Unless the person just fails to seek medical attention). The Emergency Room is free to all. And most hospitals have charity funds available to cover in-patient care for those who don't qualify for Medicaid (state subsidized care).
---Donna66 on 10/5/09


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We're already bankrupt. We owe the world 10 trillion dollars. Such currency does not exist on this earth.

God is punishing us for our selfishness, our materialism.
---amand6348 on 10/5/09


Rhonda, 62% of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses. Nearly 80 percent of those had health insurance. About 1.5 million families lose their homes to foreclosure every year due to unaffordable medical costs.

Where do you get the idea that only the "elite" will have access to the best? Thats a ridiculous statement that you cannot back up with facts.

Government health SYSTEM will determine IF or WHEN the MASSES get treatment and there will be NO OPTIONS - freedom of choice will be wiped out.

Another unfounded statement.

You need to spend some time actually looking at the health care bill and do some research on your own INSTEAD of getting it from Beck and Hannity.
---NurseRobert on 10/5/09


"I don't get it. People die everyday because they can't get healthcare because they don't have health insurance."

You don't get it is right. Guess what, people who do have insurance die every day also. People who get medical treatment die every day. People die.

By the way, the "poor" do have access to insurance. It's called Medicaid. It's run by the government and it is broke. Elderly people have insurance called Medicare. It's run by the government and it is broke. Now Obama and the rest of the democrat dimwits want a "public option" for everybody else. It will be run by the government, and you guessed it, it will be broke.
---ralph7477 on 10/5/09


atheist

many large cities there are clinics that serve the poor everyday for FREE ...some of that comes from donations and charitable work

is that the answer? no it is still not adequate

yet to RADICALLY change our healthcare to a government system that everyone must follow and where the middle class will be footing the bill is criminal

what most do not understand is many thousands of nurses and healthcare workers will be unemployed when this new system goes into effect ...hundreds of private offices clinics hospitals will close

your freedom to CHOOSE a Doctor facility even type of treatment will be gone ...you will be TOLD with who and where you can get treatment

that would be devastating and inhuman
---Rhonda on 10/5/09


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Catherine, Donna66, NurseRobert...great blogs, thanks.
About half of those 19-29 who work full time don't have health insurance. The numbers are a little lower but still shocking for blacks and Latinos.
When this phenomena reaches the entire population (after Obama is out of office) there will be screams that something has to be done, and all solutions will be expensive.
What anti-government types just can't see through their ideology is that were going to go bankrupt if we don't do something.
Do you really think your employer is going to pay a $24k deductible for each employee who has a family health care? Deductibles on the average of $13k are expected to be at or near $24k by 2016?
---larry on 10/5/09


Rhonda,

I don't get it. People die everyday because they can't get healthcare because they don't have health insurance.

But you seem to be afraid that somewho the government will be better at denying heatlhcare that the poor are not getting now?

Not getting it is not getting it. And the insurance companies are not likely to come up with a way to insure the folks who really need help. There is no profit in that...
---athiest on 10/5/09


Duane ...one hospital visit from being bankrupt? unlikely

a government run healthcare systems means only ELITE will have ACCESS to best Doctors and treatments aka celebrities politicians wealthy

government health SYSTEM will determine IF or WHEN the MASSES get treatment and there will be NO OPTIONS - freedom of choice will be wiped out...Truth IS it will eliminate more jobs close more hospitals

WAKE UP ...government healthcare is NOT ABOUT the little guy ...it is just another disguise to HEAP more taxes on the middle class who pay for majority of welfare already

government healthcare will be like a medieval class system that determines if you are worthy enough for some treatment or the BEST treatment
---Rhonda on 10/5/09


I do not know. But, America has more concerns than it's going broke. We have not had any good leaders since world war 2.
---catherine on 10/5/09


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The proposed plans are all very expensive, with no plan to offset the costs with anything. There are NO serious efforts to decrease the cost of health care. And the government has never yet done anything that didn't cost more than originally projected.

Taxes are not popular, but people aren't buying the idea of imposing fines for not buying insurance. I mean if people can't afford the insurance, how can they pay the fine?
There is talk of different fines and penalties for The "big bad" Insurance Companies. Do they think we don't know that we will pay for these in more expensive premiums? We WILL pay no matter how they try to disguise it.
---Donna66 on 10/4/09


I have read much of the original proposal. The confusion comes more from what it doesn't say than from what it does. Specificity is often lacking. It is a long, wordy, rather obscure document. I can see why so many legislators aren't complaining about the fact they don't have time to read it.
---Donna66 on 10/4/09


Gary,

Right....

The less govvernment, the better. Let's get ride of the military. We can replace it with the 'militia'. We've all got guns right? Let's just hope when the time comes we kill the right people, and don't shoot ourselves in the foot in the meantime---at least if we can't afford our own health insurance.
---atheist on 10/4/09


The present leadership is the product of a culture that has produced a "fifty-percent" divorce rate, the killing of the unborn, and same-sex marriage, etc. Jobs and production have been sent out of the country, so now there is about a nine percent unemployment rate. So, you don't have the character needed in the leadership, nor a sustainable source of taxes from working people and production, do you? You have been sold in part to China, a country known for killing its own people > I guess if you're willing to kill your own unborn, you'd have no problem with trusting China. This is how Satan's world does things . . . depending on corrupt people, instead of on God. Bankruptcy is not the real danger, here.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/3/09


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I have to ask, how many of you have actually read the the health care bills? Or do you all get your information from Beck, Hannity or Limbaugh?
---NurseRobert on 10/3/09


Gary,
You say, less gov. the better in your life.
But government is we the people. If we the people dont take care of we the people, then who is going to do it? We can either pay high hospital costs through high cost insurance or lower cost taxation. Its really a no brainer.
Your only one hospital visit from being bankrupt in this world. Lets get real.
---duane on 10/3/09


The way they are talking now it may only bankrupt low income or unemployed people who will be forced to buy their own insurance.

The compromise currently on the table is to make it law for every person to have a private health insurance policy. As long as I can afford it that would be a good thing since cost of insurance will go down with more people in the pool.

And now even jobs at the evil Walmart have health insurance. I did not know that until I checked for myself a few weeks ago. I now feel less guilty for shopping there. LOL
---obewan on 10/2/09


Forget health insurance...We just have a health tax for everyone. ---duane on 10/2/09

I don't need or want the government taking care of me. The less government interference in my life, the better.

The Bible teaches if you don't work, you don't eat. Why is it when I go grocery shopping so many are paying for their groceries with food stamps?

And now you want taxes to pay for health insurance for everyone? How about taxing everyone for car insurance? Why not tax everyone and give us all free groceries?

Hey, why don't we just all stop working and let the government support us!!
---Gary on 10/2/09


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A 3 trillion dollar program that will be "revenue neutral"? I used to believe in Santa Claus, too.

We can save enough (3 trillion) by eliminating waste and fraud in Medicare and Medicaid? Every president since Reagan has tried to cut waste and fraud from these programs. Guess how much we've saved! yup. zero. And for any scheme we've stopped, 2 more opened up. I don't believe in science fiction, either.

Seems like with a program as vast, as unrealistic, as present proposals, a few brave souls might reconsider more modest,more practical reforms....specific ways to cut medical costs and help those without insurance obtain it. Those are the goals are they not?
---Donna66 on 10/2/09


Gary,
Forget health insurance...We just have a health tax for everyone. The tax will be much cheaper than insurance companies who want to profit. We all pay this tax and we all have healthcare. Very easy to understand.
---duane on 10/2/09


Darlene_1 - I agree with you.

For many it gets down to priorities. If health insurance is important, then it should be prioritized before big-screen tvs and expensive cars, ipods, cell phones, designer clothes, etc.

Many (not all) who say they just can't afford health insurance really could if they would stop spending on non-essential items.

Our system seems to reward the lazy and punish the hard workers.

I believe we should help those who NEED help, but not those who refuse to do their part.
---Gary on 10/2/09


It certainly will...

God has chosen those, who live righteously, and given them enough money for health insurance, and food for that matter. Those who have not been so chosen are destined to die and go to hell.

It is not for us to interfer with God's will by altering His plan with these socialist programs. Doing so will invoke His wrath and cause the final collapse of this once fine and Godly nation.

God will provide for the deserving. Do not be fooled by left-wing, Satan inspired God haters who seek to undermine this nation and true Christian belief.
---crystalclear on 10/2/09


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"It is going to cost us money, but not much more than doing nothing."

OK, how much is it going to cost, and where is the money going to come from? Hint: there is no money. The government is broke. The current spending is unsustainable, but we continue to rack up the tab. The government is paying interest on its old debt with new debt. Insolvency is inevitable.

There has to be a point at which such massive debt is unconstitutional, essentially taxing people who aren't even born yet. It is certainly immoral. Congress compelling citizens to purchase insurance is also unconstitutional so I can't see how such a law would stand.
---ralph7477 on 10/1/09


Healthcare should have top priority and be a right for every American. ---duane on 10/1/09

Why is it that every friend I have who does NOT have health insurance has a big-screen tv hooked up to cable and one or more nice cars? I have health insurance but watch a 20-inch tv with an outdoor antenna attached - not even high definition.

Now, why should I also have to pay for someone else's health insurance through taxes?

Every American has a right to get off their butt and work for a living. However, I DO agree that everyone should be able to purchase health insurance at a group rate. All those who are not in such a group should be classified as a group themselves and qualify for the lower rate.
---Gary on 10/1/09


No! It won't. I do want people to have insurance but I am against anything which Taxes someone because they have made a success of their life,moneywise. I don't believe in the Robinhood practice of steal from the rich and give to the poor. To take a persons money just because they have more than others is stealing even if the Government does call it taxes. There are a lot of rich people who started from the bottom and worked their way up. Why should some people who didn't use a good work ethic benefit from others hard work and for some thats the case. I say if they are going to use taxes to buy insurance then be fair about it and Tax groceries. Everyone uses those and its only fair that everyone foot the Bill not just the rich.
---Darlene_1 on 10/1/09


It'a true, we are already bankrupt...still borrowing and printing money to pay the debts we already owe. All the healthcare bills in Congress, at present, just boost our debt higher. How high, nobody knows. Nobody has any idea how to pay for it, either! Go ahead ask them! You will not get an answer.

There are a few simple changes in the law that would cost virtually nothing, but would measurably lower the cost of health care for everybody...perhaps enough to insure those who cannot get insurance now. But congress refuses to consider these bills.

I think it's because re-inventing the whole health care system has become Obama's pet project, his legacy, and he puts it before our troops in Afganistan or any other issue.
---Donna66 on 10/1/09


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We should worry about other foolish spending that will bankrupt America. Healthcare should have top priority and be a right for every American. We spend like a glutton on the war machine but we wont take care of our own. SAD
---duane on 10/1/09


yes, that's us...socialists (rolling my eyes).

No, Health care reform will not "bankrupt" America. It is going to cost us money, but not much more than doing nothing.

And YES, I believe in a public option.

Ok, let the flames begin, I'm wearing my asbestos union suit! 75 posts is not going to be enough.
---NurseRobert on 10/1/09


Rhonda: A country can be both a democracy and socialist. Democracy is the form of government, and socialism is the economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Most of Europe is both, and they have not fallen yet.
---Trish9863 on 10/1/09


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