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Did sin enter the world when Eve's transgressed, or only after Adam chose to eat of the Tree of Knowledge?

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---Bob14 on 10/23/09


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---Arnold89 on 10/22/09


-- Tom2 :

Brother, People do sin all the time & don't even know it, but in this case I'm aware of the speculation & wrong use of scripture I used and I know my Heart was Guided to repent for it.

So, In this case I know my sin and God knows my Heart & what it was I was sharing after I repented. God's is my judge and He knows that I haven't gone back on any repented sins ! Thank You

I hope everyone else Miche, Kathr, Ralph & Larry can state the same with an honest Heart ??......and when they realize that they're bearing false witness, Openly Repent !!!
---ShawnM.T. on 10/19/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

While I stand firm on Num.30:6-8. God didn't have Foreknowledge of Adam disallowing anything while he was sinless, which makes my comment speculation and I REPENT of it, as well as REBUKE all speculation.

---Shawn.M.T on 10/8/09

Shawn, did God then have foreknowledge of Adam disallowing anything AFTER he was sinful.

Do we speak with forked tongue?
---Ralph on 10/19/09


-- Ralph :

"John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,..."

Brother, John said 'Gave' b/c Christ was already in the world.

It's sad how you continuously endeavor to justify Kathr wrongly stating that "The LAMB Was Slain & His Works Finished from BEFORE TFOTW".

Ralph, Stand in the Truth of God's Word like the rest of us that, The Slaying of the LAMB & His Finished Works where "FOREORDAIN" from BEFORE TFOTW !! Which is completely different from the heresy that you're trying to defend & witness, that is against 1 Peter 1:20.

Those things didn't happen BTFOTW, they were Foreordained to happen BTFOTW because NOTHING EXIST BTFOTW but God's Ordain Plan.
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/19/09




---- Larry :


Brother, Then Kathr goes on to state the same heresy in that post by saying,


My statement concerning your remark that Adam could disallow (no such thing) Eve's sin...had complete and total disregard for the fact that It was God's intention from before the foundation of the world (called the Everlasting Covenant)to redeem SINNERS.

////// The Lamb slain at or Before..scripture states both....WAS not Plan B or an after thought.---kathr4453 on 10/12/09 //////

So, give it up ! Kathr has recant/repented. She make a statement and then in the very same posting recants and goes back on what she previously stated. Very double minded !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 10/19/09


-- Miche & Leon :

Brethren, I never went back or agreed with any comment that I've repented. I mentioned MarkV's name in these, I correct myself, 4 posting to say he's right to point out Kathr's heresy : nothing more.

MarkV, I never implied or stated anything contrary to 1 Peter 1:20. on 10/8/09

MarkV rightly spoken that it's the Precious Blood of Christ that was Foreordained BEFORE TFOTW. on 10/11/09

is calls for rebuke. MarkV was Just in bringing this to Light. on 10/12/09

MarkV Justly brought to Light the Heresy on 10/7/09 "The LAMB Was Slain from BEFORE TFOTW". on 10/13/09


God knows my Heart & He knows who's been BEARING FALSE WITNESS. Now everyone here knows as well !!
---Shawn.M.T on 10/19/09


shawn,people sin and dont even know it.
---tom2 on 10/19/09


ShawnMT, ---My statement concerning your remark that Adam could disallow (no such thing) Eve's sin...had complete and total disregard for the fact that t was God's intention from before the foundation of the world (called the Everlasting Covenant)to redeem SINNERS-----kathr4453 on 10/12/09


MarkV/Morgan,ShawnM.T. why do you continue to bring your LIE over to this thread when kathr said here on 10/12 her meaning of the Lamb as God's plan to redeem sinners, telling us no one was In Christ until He died and rose again, and Saints before His death and resurrection were in Abraham's Bosom.

I see no evidence kathr said Christ actually died and rose again before the foundation of the world.
---Larry on 10/19/09


No offense taken Shawn. I certainly don't want to be a cause for anyone to stumble. :)

Peace...
---Leon on 10/19/09




Thank you Ralph! I really need the encouragement. Especially since I am constantly being falsely accused.
Shawn asked me to cut and paste so I did.
Now he is beating me up for it.---miche3754 on 10/19/09

miche3754, these are thugs we will always see lurking around ready to jump. Shawn, Morgan, who I believe to be MarkV are not leaders. Their behavior testifies to this. They can point their fingers all they want at others, yet have no idea how others view them. They are too wrapped up in themselves to see this is the behavior of flesh, carnality, and disqualification to become a vessel of honor fit for the masters use.

May God Bless and keep you always in His Truth.
---Ralph on 10/19/09


Ralph, You should have addressed me instead of going to Shawn. I am not afraid to answer you as honestly as possible. On the morning I answered here, I had just finished reading Matthew 7:15. Then I got on line and saw what most of you were doing with Markv. And more were joining in the hunt. Just like the passage stated. Pretending to be righteous, but wolves nevertheless. With one leader starting the whole mess, with her heretical view of Jesus and all of you instead of correcting her, begin supporting her at the expense of God's word. Which tells me that none of you are really sheep, because if you were, you would not be joining in the hunt when someone is speaking the truth of God's word to others. Only wolves in sheep's clothing do that.
---Morgan on 10/19/09


Markv, is everything about YOU? Do you attack others who don't agree with your doctrine?

Let's define the word ATTACK here please before we continue to slander out of context.

You said hell has no pain or torment. kathr4453 attacked that LIE.

You said, and continue to say God only came to save His elect, Limited Atonement. kathr4453 attacked that LIE.


Shawn recanted on disallowing after kathr4453's rebuke, and you couldn't stand it, and lured ShawnMT back by saying you agreed. That is a deceitful attack on TRUTH, on GOD Himself!

You feel attacked because Truth exposes LIES.

You're not a leader Markv, you're a troublemaker, worse that a catty woman.
---Larry on 10/19/09


Thank you Ralph! I really need the encouragement. Especially since I am constantly being falsely accused.
Shawn asked me to cut and paste so I did.
Now he is beating me up for it.
I told him that even though he recanted, he still backed Markv up in Markv's falseness which means Shanw really didn't recant.
Shawn seems to be upset now that he was caught at it.
Anyway, if not talking about Adam's mistakes and what we should NOT do against God is not biblical, then what is?
Why not learn from Adam and Eve's mistakes?
And why do some have such a big issue with even discussing it?
---miche3754 on 10/19/09


1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began,

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

God so loved the world HE GAVE, past tense, His only Begotten Son.
We know John 3:16 (spoken before Christs death and resurrection) testifies to the Lamb Already Given by promise before the foundation of the world for the forgiveness of sin for ALL.
---Ralph on 10/19/09


-- Miche :

Sister, 0 Zero 0 : Every since I repented of it on the Blog "Adam's Choice To Sin" on 10/8/09.

I shared it with you on 10/13/09 that "I'm steering every clear of the temptations to share or receive these inquiries", after you sought to engage me with the same Question of Speculation on 10/12/09.

Despite if something is tingling to your ears, if it "Didn't Happen According To The Truth Of God's Predestnated & Foreordain Plan" then it is not the Truth we're to be entertaining & sharing about the Cross.

If you wish to entertain other things that are clear to you as not being the Truth, then that's for you. I'll continue to dwell & abide in entertaining the Lord's Truth !
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/18/09


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--- Leon :

Amen Brother, I agree ! God is forever God & shows Abundant Grace & Mercy to all who humble themselves & call upon His Holy Name as recorded in His Divinely Inspired Word made flesh Christ Jesus.

All that could have been & should have been, has been and it's revealed through the Truth of God's Divine Word.

My verbiage wasn't meant to be taken personally, it's nothing against you or any one else ! I was only sharing this humble warning with you because the Lord has 'Open' my eyes to the horror of where entertaining Opinions of Speculation lead us.

I was just pointing out a stumbling block to a fellow Brother in the Lord !

Peace..... :)
---Shawn.M.T on 10/18/09


Shawn,
How many times has someone asked questions like Kath and I and how many times have you responded.

I think Leon gave a very good and biblical answer. Adam should have taken the matter to God and let God decide. But he didn't so now we have all man in sin because of Adam when for centuries people blamed Eve.
And that sin is imputed on all man was because Adam didn't take the matter to God. Besides aren't we told not to make the same mistake that Adam made in God's word.
We are to seek God's council in ALL things not following after Adam that old man and follow afer the new man- Christ.
---miche3754 on 10/18/09


Shawn: I take from your verbiage, you don't agree with me. Okay, fine! You be Shawn, I'll be Leon & God is forever God & shows abundant grace & mercy to all (from Adam to us) who humble themselves & call upon His name as recorded in His divinely inspired word (the Bible).

Peace... :)
---Leon on 10/18/09


-- Leon :

Brother, Please don't give into entertaining speculation, it is only like walking down a road paved with good intentions...it leads to hell.

More Biblical conversations are springing up questions & answers based in opinions of speculation, and is the cause of much of the strife & arguments within the Body as well as about the Body of the Church.

The questions you're engaging in from Kathr & Miche are no more than Questions of Speculation, that may seem enticing & interesting, but can only lead others & yourself to an Opinion of Speculation and not to God's True Word that He has Predestinated & Foreordained from what He Foreknows, which is the only thing we're to be sharing.

Peace & God Bless
---ShawnM.T. on 10/18/09


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"Even if Adam never ate, Eve would have died and been driven out of the Garden? Would Adam still remain? ALONE?" kathr, 10/15

"...If Adam had not chosen to eat. Where would that have left Eve?..." Miche, 10/15

Very good questions. :) I believe the crisis had nothing to do with Adam forgiving Eve. It was all about Adam missing a window of opportunity: he failed to immediately take the matter to God for resolution. Instead, he doubted God's word & then took the matter into his own hands. Maybe he hoped, for their sake, the serpent was right. I think if Adam hadn't eaten, but had 1st gone to God the Lord would've, on his behalf, restored (regenerated) Eve since she was "deceived".
---Leon on 10/18/09


-- Adetunji : 1

Brethren, It must be made known & important to take notice of the difference between the Truth that "Sin was in the world(Rom.5:13)" before the time "Sin entered into the world(Rom.5:12)" !

While Rom.5:12,20 reveals that by one man sin ENTERED INTO THE WORLD, and death by sin passed upon all men through it abounding by the Law of sin & death which also entered from Adam's disobedient offense of sin.....Rom.5:13 also reveals that until the Law SIN WAS IN THE WORLD : and it goes on to share that "Sin is not IMPUTED when there is no law".

The Offense of disobeying God's Word is sin but it's not imputed were there is not the Law of sin & death.
---Shawn.M.T on 10/18/09


-- Adetunji : 2

So, While sin does abounded now, Grace does much more abound now through Righteousness unto Eternal Life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom.5:20-21

This question is strengthening to our Trust & Growth in our relationship with God's Seal, the Indwelling Spirit to keep us & increases our Wisdom of His Knowledgeable Word to the Understanding in how once we're Saved through the Blood of Christ & free from the Law of sin & death(Rom.8:1-3), even though we may sin Christ is able to keep sin from being imputed again us through the Guidance of the Indwelling Spirit discouraging our choices to choose sin by encouraging us to stay away from entertaining opinions of speculation as Eve did in the Garden.
---Shawn.M.T on 10/18/09


Ralph, I have never ranted at anyone especially you. I have only answered you maybe three times on different blogs on different topics. I have always answered you with respect. I have done that with everyone. I know many of you do not believe in God saving people, and believe in works for the law and losing salvation by bad works. That's obvious. Yet everyone knows that Kathr has been on every blog not to discuss but to attack me. In the beginning I tried hard to discuss Scripture. But that was not her objective. I know I cannot change anyone minds. That is why I believe that God is the only one that can. Just because Shawn agreed with me, all of you attack Shawn. It is not right. All of you know it and still do it.
---MarkV. on 10/18/09


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Sin entered when Satan & his angels were sent out of heaven to the earth(1st level of punishment for him) Rev.12:9, Lk.10:18, Ezek.28:11-19. This was before Satan encountered Eve.
---Adetunji on 10/18/09


-- Miche :

Sister, Actually Kathr's claim of heresy that "The LAMB Was Slain & His Works Finished from BEFORE TFOTW", which I rebuked on 10/10/09 without mentioned MarkV's name, was addressed to you on 10/9/09 !

I mentioned MarkV's name in 3 posting to say he's right to point out Kathr's heresy : nothing more.

Kathr on 10/12/09 DIDN'T ask why was I backing him, she said he(which doesn't excuse her heresy) "kept on running with the ball" after I repented.

Come on get it right !

Miche, Don't just talk about staying on topic, stay on topic and if you wish to keep bringing-up from other Blogs issues that are unresolved for you but aren't helpful to this Blog, Start a New Blog. Thanks !
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/17/09


Shawn, as I recall, Kath was addressing Markv not you. Although she did asks why you still backed what he was saying when you first recanted. Go back and read what went on and you will see what I am saying is the truth.
You recanted but then turned around and still followed what you said through Markv's statements. Brother, do you not realize this?
And that is what Kath was addressing.
When one recants and then turns around a backs someone sayiing the same thing you recanted of, that is not actually recanting now is it?
---miche3754 on 10/17/09


-- Miche :

Sister, When a Brethren repents from his errors, God's Children are to Forgive, no longer continuing to count it against them but letting it lay in Forgiveness. So are you sure she said what 'Disallow' means and then I repented....or was it AFTER I repented on 10/8/09, that she was still revelling on against me stating what 'Disallow' means on 10/10/09 ??

Miche, My tone of voice is fine! While I erroneously said Adam BTF could have disallow Eve's sin, I never said "Adam 1 could have forgiven her", as she tries to get 'Leon' to assume on 10/15/09.

All that's befallen her never would have if she wasn't dredging-up things that aren't helpful to this Blog, but let's please get back to the subject ! Thanks
---ShawnM.T. on 10/17/09


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-- Ralph :

Brother, Yes : The condemnation of the 'Law of Sin & Death' spoken of in Rom.5:12-13, 19-20, has passed upon all men, and the Gentiles were not W/O or free from it.

Ralph, Seeing how no one on this Blog, other than you, has every mentioned the 'Mosaic Law', I'd say we've all previously understood that it's erroneous to confuse the Mosaic Law with the Law spoken of in Rom.5:20 which imputed sin & death.

BTW ~ If you're in hopes to correct 'Morgan', you'd be more successful addressing Morgan directly. There's no need to address it to me ! Although 1 Peter 1:20 which you've brought up has nothing to do with this Blog, I've always been in agreement of the Precious Blood of Christ being Foreordained BTFOTW. Thanks
---ShawnM.T. on 10/17/09


Amen Ralph!

I am in agreeance with you 100%.
I also believe we should be discussing the topic at hand not persecuting people.
It is different when someone is telling the truth of God's word.
It is God's entire plan that was foreknown NOT man being foreknown.
God knew that he would save those who receive the gift of salvation and are in Christ and he knew that he would send those who don't accept the free gift of salvation and stay in rebellion against God to hell.
That means God had all of it planned out from the beginning.
HE knew man would fall because he knew the enemy would try his best to detroy his wonderful creation. God knew it all!
---miche3754 on 10/17/09


-- Ralph :

.... and stop dredging-up these irrelevant things from other Blogs that are not edifying to this Blog .... !
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/16/09


Shawn, as long as you continue to make false accusations against others, not address this to Morgan, who is bring up from other blogs she never participated in to begin with, and who fail to see Kathr's first reply to you was in the context of your mis-guided "disallow" ing theology, which would in fact overthrow the whole plan of atonement God forordained from before the foundation of the world. Kathr's reply was to that fact alone.

You, however did not jump on the wagon of these rantings until you saw an escape to wiggle out, through MarkV's rantings.
---Ralph on 10/17/09


Shawn, you said in the other blog that Adam could disallow Eve's sin of eating the fruit. And you used the verse in Numbers to do it. Then she came back and said what disallow really means and then you recanted.
I cut and pasted her response to you.

I don't like your tone of voice on here lately and I am not sure why some here are on Kath so bad when she hasn't said anything that should not be said. I know because I have read the blogs from all of you and what you are all doing is persecuting her for knowing God's word and telling you what thus says the Lord.
Let's get back on subject of when sin entered the world not persecute Kath.
---miche3754 on 10/17/09


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Titus 1
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness, In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began,

Shawn, The Lamb who is Christ infact forordained BEFORE the foundation of the world, and the revelation of that truth was MANIFEST in these last days, Paul calls the Mystery. 1st Peter 1:20. Christ was not manifest, but the mystery of God's plan before the foundation of the world, the slain lamb was.

You and I as Gentiles are and have never been under the LAW of Moses. Romans 1-5...and you will see those in the beginning of Romans were condemned W/O the law of Moses.
---Ralph on 10/17/09


Kathr on the other hand made a heretical view that really would have grave consequences as to the death of Christ on the Cross and change the whole meaning of the Atonement, and she never recanted on her comments, which gives evidence the Spirit is not found in her to convict her.Morgan****


What Morgan, your doctrine of LIMITED atonement? I believe your doctrine changed the meaning of the Atonement for ALL, which according to scripture IS HERETICAL!

God planned in Christ, the Lamb, a plan from before the foundation of the world that in the shed blood of the Lamb would be FORGIVNESS for all.

However all will not receive His forgivness.
---Larry on 10/17/09


Larry with a capital L

You are still likely to be confused with larry with a lower case l

I suggest you add something to your name so you are not confused with him!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/17/09


-- Ralph :

Brother, Let's both allow things from other Blogs to lay in Forgiveness, whether Forgiveness was asked for or not, and stop dredging-up these irrelevant things from other Blogs that are not edifying to this Blog which everyone here is diligently endeavoring to stay focused on ! Thanks
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/16/09


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Agreed Shawn, Larry with a capital L is a new larry. I enjoy reading your posts.
---larry on 10/16/09


-- Larry :

Brother, 'AD HOMINEM' means to "Attack the character or motives of a person, by appealing to the prejudice & emotions of others, rather than debating the issues". This is what Kathr did toward MarkV & myself even before we had ever submitted a post.

I've addressed this Blog as well as Kathr & Ralph's false issues, but because their unable to show any sense of discernment in study or presentation of scriptures, they resort to attacks to start arguments, about thing repented no doubt, rather than properly addressing the Blog, which Ralph has yet to do.

Larry, Why ask a question which is clearly derived from Kathr 'Ad Hominem' attack, when no one has posted anything to the contrary on this Blog ??
---Shawn.M.T on 10/16/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The bearers of false witness, about things in other Blogs no doubt, are getting thicker by the minute in here !!

Ralph, The cart=the Elect Chosen & Assured by God BTFOTW. You would have realize this if you would have read Eph.1:4-12, as I posted after the comment.

The SENDING OUT of the horse is not the Foreordaining of Christ BTFOTW, but the 'Finished Works of Christ on the Cross' which Miche was accusing me of Cutting Out....and if you would have kept my comment in it's proper context to what I was responding to from Miche's post on 10/12/09, this would have been clear to you as well.

Brother, Stop your slanderous attacks. They're not helping in our sharing of God's Truth.
---ShawnM.T. on 10/16/09


-- Miche :

Sister, You've have yet to provide the accusation made on my part, so things can be Crystal Clear for me & everyone else to follow !

Please "Cut & Paste" whatever it is that you think I've falsely accused Kathr of saying ??

BTW ~ While repented matters should be left to lay in Forgiveness and not continuously dredged-up in the spirit of vengeance just to falsely speak evil of a Brother or Sister in Christ as Kathr continues to do......Please "Cut & Paste" from the other Blog, where you believe I've said(before I repented), whatever it is you're claiming Kathr never said or falsely assumed me of saying ??

Thanks for providing all the requested information for Peace
Sake !!
---Shawn.M.T on 10/16/09


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-- Ralph :

Brother, The Truth that you still have yet to see & hear is that "For until the Law sin was in the world : BUT SIN IS NOT IMPUTED when there is no Law(Rom.5:13)" ......and the Law didn't enter til after Adam's Offense of eating from the tree of Knowledge. So, Eve's transgression was sin, but it was not imputed unto her until after Adam ate.

It's understood that in Rom.5 death passed upon all from Adam's transgression, and Life out of death came by Jesus Christ, and while it's True that we were all made sinner and that by SIN 'DEATH' passed upon all men, this only happened through sin abounding do to the Law entering after the offense of Adam's disobedience of sin.

Thanks Ralph for sharing !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/16/09


THE AD HOMINEM ATTACK:

If someone smart is reading this I want to point out, Shawn, Bobby 1 and Morgan, are committing what is called an "ad hominem". It is when they do not address the argument but try to bash or discredit the person making the argument.

As you can see false teachers don't attempt to actually answer the questions presented to them.

Definition: The ad hominem simply means attacking the person making the argument, rather than addressing the argument, itself. It's their last resort.


The real question here is, will you all deny your own sin because you can say you were deceived? Who among you can say it's not really sin because God didn't speak to me face to face?
---Larry on 10/16/09


Miche, You do understand God has Foreknowledge of everything that would happen before He Spoke Creation into Existence and He had Chosen BTFOTW to Predestinate whom He did Foreknow to be CONFORMED to His Son's Image : which from our point of view is Whomsoever ?? Rom.8:29-30

It's more like the cart was assured before sending out the horse. Eph.l:4-12
---ShawnM.T. on 10/12/09


Shawn, are you saying the cart=humanity was assured BEFORE the Horse= Jesus Lamb?

Yet you call Kathr a heretic for reminding you that the HORSE =Jesus/the Lamb, was forordained before, 1st Peter 1:20.

Or are you saying you existed before God's plan of redemption? Or are you saying God saw you, but NOT in the LAMB?
---Ralph on 10/16/09


Miche, Shawn made a comment and was moved by the Spirit to recant what he said and explained why.

Kathr on the other hand made a heretical view that really would have grave consequences as to the death of Christ on the Cross and change the whole meaning of the Atonement, and she never recanted on her comments, which gives evidence the Spirit is not found in her to convict her.

She continues her attacks everywhere and not a one of you questioned her comments or her attacks. What you and other do is join in with her. You know she is wrong when she does that but you say nothing. You say you are a preacher, a preacher for whom?
---Morgan on 10/16/09


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Shawn
Kath never said that.
you said it in the other blog then you recanted.
You should not falsely accuse someone. Heres what Kath said.

"Disallow in scripture 5106 means to DISCOURAGE one from doing something.
Look up scripture using discourage 5106 and you will see the same word Disallow as is in Numbers 30.....
Disallow can also be a bad thing, as in Num 32:7.
Are there those who would discourage you from following Truth? Or discourage you from sinning?
Where did Adam DISCOURAGE Eve from eating the fruit?.
Now if they discussed it first, and Adam DISCOURAGED Eve from disobeying, and Eve obeyed, that's another story...that didn't happen.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/09 "
---miche3754 on 10/16/09


There's no doubt Eve's transgression of disobedience was sin, but it was not imputed to her until the Law entered which wasn't til after Adam ate of the tree of Knowledge.

This helps us to understand how Christ is able to keep us from having sin imputed again us once we're Saved through His Blood & free from the Law. Rom.8:1-3
---ShawnM.T. on 10/15/09

Shawn, Romans 5, the law was brough in that sin would abound, showing God's chosen, they too were sinners,and with that God then pronounce ALL have sinned. Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds.

If you understood Romans 5,you would see the emphasis is on death,(not LAW), passing to all from Adam's transgression, and Life out of death came by Jesus Christ.
---Ralph on 10/16/09


Morgan I have mentioned this before to Kathr. people get on line to get help and they see her talking bad about others. I don't believe in calvinism, but I never want to be included in the same sentence with her. I wanted to discuss scripture with markv and a few others, on things that were quoted but couldn't because she ruins everything for everyone. after her terrible words to others she turns and hides behind a veil of passages, as if they could hide her sin.
---Bobby1 on 10/15/09


Pt 1
I don't expect everyone to understand and accept this immediately or ever. But here it goes anyway. Study the merits of how it fits with the entirety of Biblical context before dismissing it if you humbly will.

-What we all tend to overlook in Genesis is "the Genesis" of evil. Specifically, Adam's mouth speaking(calling) from his fleshly mind and not calling(speaking) from God's pre-ordained will. This sin happened when "he" first opened his mouth to speak.
---Legends on 10/15/09


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Pt 4
-Some say that I assume alot but this seems pretty plain to me now. Adam took and ate the NATURAL thought in his fleshly mind that his wife's full identification was summed up in the term WOMAN. Then Adam OFFERED that natural thought to his wife and she ate the identification he offered without rejecting it.
-Their covering and clothing was in their God-given identification.
-Everything we've understood as the first sin was just the boomerang... the reaping of the seed that Adam sowed.
---Legends on 10/15/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

In the Blog "Adam's Choice To Sin", I made a comment of error on 10/6/09 that "Adam could have disallowed Eve's vow in sinning SO SHE COULD HAVE RECEIVED forgiven" from the Lord as stated in Nun.30:6-8. But this was the wrong use of scripture as well as being speculation, both of which are calls to repent : as I was Guided to do by the Holy Spirit on 10/8/09.

Disallow doesn't mean to Forgive, as Kathr would have you assume !

Kathr, On that Blog rendered heretic for heretic on 10/7/09 by stating "The LAMB Was Slain from BEFORE TFOTW" : and she only revels on about things I've repented, to draw attention away from her own heresy which still lays in unrepentance.
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/15/09


-- Morgan :

God Bless !

Kathr, Stop revelling on and let things lay in Forgiveness. Instead of Blaming others peoples repented sins for being the cause of your completely DIFFERENT sins, take responsibility & admit your own errors !

Brethren, If we Love God we'll receive rebuke with Love and the Holy Ghost will awaken us to the Truth so we may repent and move away from Opinions of Speculation, no matter how interesting they may seem, it's only like walking down a road paved with good intentions...it leads to hell.

More Biblical conversations are springing up questions & answers based in opinions of speculation, and is the cause of much strife & arguments within the Body as well as about the Body of the Church.
---Shawn.M.T on 10/15/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

This question can be strengthening to the growth of our relationship with God's Indwelling Spirit & increase our Wisdom of His Knowledgeable Word, if we can stay away from entertaining opinions of speculation.

God's Word is a beautiful thing to behold, when we allow the Spirit of Truth will Guide us in to All Truth, lining-up scriptures with scriptures !

There's no doubt Eve's transgression of disobedience was sin, but it was not imputed to her until the Law entered which wasn't til after Adam ate of the tree of Knowledge.

This helps us to understand how Christ is able to keep us from having sin imputed again us once we're Saved through His Blood & free from the Law. Rom.8:1-3
---ShawnM.T. on 10/15/09


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kathr why do you resort to accusations against your brothers and sisters? In truth I speak to you, you are a woman possessed. By definition means, "Owned" as if by a demon: crazed. How can you allow this to happen to you? You only hurt the rest of the body of Christ. Do you not know you speak evil of brothers and sisters in Christ? You display a spirit of vengeance, I don't see why, when it is you who is doing all the talking agains't them.
---Morgan on 10/15/09


Genesis 3

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden, But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

tonny, EVE KNEW !
---kathr4453 on 10/15/09


-- Leon :

Brother, Kathr is bearing false witness cause she unable to Forgive. I never said Eve didn't sin nor Adam could forgive her !! She continues to revel on only to render heretic, over things already repented.

-- Kathr :

Re-read Gen.3:6 Eve ate FIRST. They DIDN'T eat at the same time nor does it matter how much time past between Eve & Adam's disobedience, Eve still ate FIRST.

So, Was sin imputed to Eve when she FIRST ate or only after Adam eat ??

SIN IS NOT IMPUTED when there is No Law and we were made sinners by the Law entering through ONE MAN'S DISOBEDIENCE(Rom.5:13,19-20). To state anything other wise is nothing more than speculation, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN & doesn't help lead people to the Truth.
---ShawnM.T. on 10/15/09


Sin was entered into the world by man [Adam]. Sin entered first into the universe by Satan.
---catherine on 10/15/09


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Leon, I understand it the same as you.

If you read carefully, and I'm reading from the KJV, the serpent put in Eve's ear the desire to eat of this fruit, she said she KNEW was forbidden. It doesn't say the serpent spoke to both of them. To know right from wrong is the AGE of accountability! - kath

I understand the fall in the same context.

I also asked the question what if Adam had not chosen to to eat. Where would that have left Eve and would Adam have been all alone?
But I guess God figured we didn't need to know that.
---miche3754 on 10/15/09


Sin entered the world when satan and 1/3 of the angels rebelled against the LORD and they were cast down to earth. They are deceivers of women. Eve never knew about the forbidden fruit except for when the serpent asked her did God really say not to eat from the tree. She replies, God has said that we may eat of every tree of the garden except for the tree of good and evil. However, Genesis Chapter 1 or 2 doesnt state that Eve ever knew about the fruit. It does state that God commanded the man not to eat from the tree. It does not statethat God told the woman.
---tonne on 10/15/09


Leon, I understand it the same as you.

If you read carefully, and I'm reading from the KJV, the serpent put in Eve's ear the desire to eat of this fruit, she said she KNEW was forbidden. It doesn't say the serpent spoke to both of them. To know right from wrong is the AGE of accountability!

Shawn M.T. and MarkV want to prove, and have stated other places that Eve being deceived was not sin.

This is the only reason Shawn M.T. asked this question. He stated another place Adam 1 could have forgiven her, by disallowing her vow to sin??????IMPOSSIBLE!

Even if Adam never ate, Eve would have died, and been driven out of the Garden? Would Adam still remain? ALONE?
---kathr4453 on 10/15/09


"...scripture said she ate, then gave to Adam..."

Kathr: G3:6 does say Adam was "with her". Does it mean he was right there at the moment Eve ate or does "with her" imply he too was in the Garden (perhaps at another location) but not actually "with her" when the Serpent tricked & coaxed (urged) Eve to eat God-forbiden food?

I believe if Adam was actually "with her" when she talked with the devil & then ate, I think Adam might've spoken up & stopped Eve from eating in light of what God had told him on the matter. I think the Serpent intentionally waited until Eve was out of earshot of Adam, then he lured her into the trap he set for Adam. Eve was the bait!
---Leon on 10/15/09


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Yes, Leon, you are right. I guess you could say that I was describing how sin came to be in general. You and Kath are right about when sin came into the world, though.

No matter how many people want to blame Eve, God didn't, he blamed Adam.

It started with Eve being deceived to eat and came to full "fruit" by Adam choosing to eat.
So, the answer to the blog question is sin entered by Adam choosing to eat.
---miche3754 on 10/15/09


"...at the moment that Eve ate...SIN entered the world..."

No Augie: That's not what the Bible says. (Ro. 5:12)

"Sin entered the world when the tempter fell from glory."

No Miche: Lucifer, in Heaven, sinned (rebelled against God). He's the 1st Bible recorded sinner (rebel) who consciously chose to disobey God. Though the embodiment of sin, he's not sin.

Before Adam fell, God said everything in the earth was good, so there was no sin present. (G1:31) God gave Adam delegated authority over the earth/world. The Serpent (Satan) had no earthly authority prior to being the devilish catalyst that deceived Eve (making her the weapon, battle-ax, in his hand) & caused Adam to choose sin.
---Leon on 10/15/09


Sci-fi -- far out Eloy! :) Where in the Bible does it give the year of Lucifer's rebellion (sin) & time of day? Also, where in the Bible is the age of Adam, prior to being expelled from the Garden, recorded?
---Leon on 10/15/09


Shawn M.T.

I believe if you re-read the Genesis account, you will see Eve and Adam both ate at the same time.

The serpent approached Eve and put the idea in her head, however there is no scripture stating she ate at that moment. It appears she thought about it, went and observed the tree, and scripture said she ate, then gave to Adam and at that time BOTH their eyes were opened to good and evil AT THE SAME TIME.

If Eve ate hours before without Adam,and Adam said OH My what have you done...bla bla bla, but that didn't happen.

If she ate hours before and her eyes were opened....SIN at that time would have entered the world even if Adam had not eaten.

Once the eyes were opened...there was no turning back.
---kathr4453 on 10/15/09


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Shawn M.T.

In Adam ALL DIED. The whole human race died IN ADAMS transgression. The whole human race is ADAM 1.

Sin entered the universe with Lucifer's fall, entering the Garden.

Sin or anything evil will not enter the New Creation..However God allowed evil to enter into the old that we now live in.

Eve was not a separate created being tht could easily be disgarded and made over. SHE was WO-MAN....made out of Adam.
---kathr4453 on 10/14/09


Heylel the serpent in the garden was the first sinner. He sinned in the year 4175 B.C., early in the morning. Adam was only 19 when he was thrown out of the garden of God with his wife and Heylel (Gn.3:24).
---Eloy on 10/14/09


Sin is not like an alien entity brought in from another planet:

God said:
Genesis 4:7: "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
It is easy to see that the knowledge of what thing "well" done is presuposed, before sin may come into being.

James said:
James 4:17: "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
---Nana on 10/14/09


Shawn: I think this is a very good & thought provoking question. In theory, one could say when Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good & evil sin entered the world because Eve was also Adam, & equal in essence to her husband. (G5:1-2, 2:21-24)

However, as Linda & Bryan have said, Ro. 5:12 (THE BIBLE) says, "by one man [not woman] sin entered into the world...so death passed upon all men [people]..." Again, though equal in essence to her husband, Eve's position/rank was different from Adam's. The higher position & responsibility was given to Adam by God. Eve was Adam's co-equal subordinate. Obviously, Eve was tricked but Adam knew exactly what he was doing.
---Leon on 10/14/09


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If the so called serpent would have kept to himself -(not attempt to spread the rebellion )and not manipulated Eve the impact of the rebellion would have not been severe as it was and the residue effects of such would not be as damaging as it is .
Teachers teach that A & E are ones who made the decision to break a garden rule but one must realize that the manipulator-deciever interfered with their decision making.
The deciever successfully played upon their weakness.
---earl on 10/13/09


Nowhere in the Word does God say that sin entered the world when Lucifer and his angels fell. Why is it that a Scripture can be so specific in telling us how something took place and people will still respond with what the doctrines and traditions of men have taught them and they haven't bothered to search out for themselves? It is those doctrines and traditions of men that make the Word of God of none effect.
---Bryan on 10/13/09


To take it a step further, it was a fallen man who blamed woman and a deceived woman who blamed the devil. Blaming anyone else, including the devil, for the choices we make absolves us of our responsibility to believe what God said is truth. We are tempted when we are drawn away of our own lusts and enticed. If you have no lust of the eyes nor lust of the flesh nor pride of life by living in the Spirit, you are not tempted by what comes your way. Blessed, blessed salvation.

Romans 5:12 For by one man (not a fallen tempter or angel) sin entered the world, and death by sin....

What God said that you don't believe will open the door for a great deal of deception to wreak havoc in your life.
---Bryan on 10/13/09


Sin entered the world when the tempter fell from glory.
Had he not been defiant and fell, He would not have been in the Garden to deceived Eve, and Adam out of his love for her, would not have chosen to fall from Grace with her.
It was He that told the first lie and because of that lie, man fell.
It is those lies that we face everyday in our walk with God.
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
---miche3754 on 10/13/09


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Satan & his angels being cast out of heaven.
God said to Adam-Eve if you eat of the forbidden fruit you shall surely die. Satan slivers coming to Eve & sweet talks to her & says, thou shalt not surely die, then she partakes of the forbidden fruit. I think it was sin even for her to listen to the serpent, then partook & then gave to Adam.
1st. Tim 2 v 14. Eve receieved the FIRST curse.
---Lawrence on 10/13/09


Sin entered in the world after they both done it. Because God punished both of them.
---larry on 10/12/09


Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Sin entered by one man. Adam was man. Eve was woman. The woman was deceived. The man was not.
---Linda on 10/12/09


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