Trav< Like I say, he's doing some things I dont like either, such as gays rights. God loves sinner person, but hates sinfull things they do.
---Lawrence on 10/19/09
Hog-wash, hog washing. Clean a hog up...he is still a hog. Clean a muslim president up...he is still a muslim.
Full way of defining this doctrine is. You'd try to clean Esau. Big of you,shows a loving nature. Sounds wonderful it is not scriptural.
GOD can hate and does.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated
Hebrews 12:16
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
barry's made his choice. As do those who make excuses for...... |
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---Trav on 10/20/09 |
"Revolutions are the locomotives of history."
Every generation needs a new revolution.
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god, because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."
"Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand."
Which quotes Jefferson, which Marx? Certainly not Obama... |
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---atheist on 10/20/09 |
I don't feel Obama is a traitor in the true sense of the word but I do feel he is disloyal to his Country and its people. No Loyal Leader will get up before Countries which contain people who have been taught to hate America and apologize for what America has done. Iranians for one are taught to hate America,this began in the 1970s or sooner. Many Iranian College students came to this areas Colleges,some of them had a large house rented when they moved out the walls were covered in words of hate for America. I went to College with them in the 1980s and believe me they had some covert agendas we didn't imagine. They weren't young students but in their 30s a lot of them. Their hate of USA makes them a Country to watch not placate. |
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---Darlene_1 on 10/20/09 |
Trish, I guess the bottom line is I like my freedom. We don't need gov mandateing us to do com service work. Neighbors have always helped each other. I don't want someone else's momey, nor do I want mine taken away.
Gov programs should be minimal with welfare.
I want everybody to be able to say what they want. We are headed down the same road as Zimbabwe. Thats what happens when Idiots are in control. |
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---wayne on 10/20/09 |
Larry:
You said a mouthful and "hit" the nail right on the head.
Inspite of our dislike, or even open hatred, of President Obama, we need to PRAY for him. Even if we think that Obama is a "traitor", etc. Why? Because the Bible says [COMMANDS] that we should do so!
Jerry:
That includes you too. I am not kidding.
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---Augie on 10/20/09 |
Larry, The Church and the World are under the beginning of GOD's Judgment. It does no good to pray for GOD to guide Obama, if Obama is not listening to GOD, nor cares at all to be guided by GOD. Pray, Brother, that Obama FIRST acknowledges his sin and evil, and that he repents of it all. Then, that he turns his heart to GOD to walk in His Ways. That's what it's going to take for Obama to lead this Country right before GOD and the citizens of America. Regardless, GOD's coming Judgment to America is already set. |
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---Gordon on 10/20/09 |
Leon, What did I say that was not true? It was a "mass" of people (was it not?) that voted for Obama. Was it my choice of the word "mass" that you were offended by? What? It certainly was not ALL of the american citizens that voted for Obama. I didn't. Some others didn't. Bigoted? It has nothing to do with the colour of his skin. Great it is to have an African-American President. What did you mean, then, by bigoted? It's what Obama stands for, what his morals are. And, it's what his attitude toward GOD, the true Church, and Religious Christian Freedoms, is what is wrong with Obama. These issues are most important, if the country of America is to exist in True Freedom, Prosperity and Equality for all American citizens. |
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---Gordon on 10/20/09 |
Is the political philosophy of Obama closer to that of Thomas Jefferson or Karl Marx? |
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---jerry6593 on 10/20/09 |
Wayne: I have no problem with what the Obama administration is doing. I am a social worker and urban public school teacher, and I voted straight Democratic, as I do in every election.
I also believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
The media that I am most concerned with is Fox News, and their lying henchmen.
What is your point? |
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---Trish9863 on 10/19/09 |
Elder: I will gladly admit to having spread lies about Bush, if I am made aware of them. Unfortunately, when I look back on the Bush years, and think of lies, I think of several that the Bush administration was responsible for regarding Iraq, and the WMD, and the CIA agent who was outed.
It seems that there are a rash of lies about Obama's plans being spread by certain media that is perpetrated by some believers, without weighing what that network says against other media, in order to find balance.
I am aware that all of the media leans either left or right, but one network just is so extreme, it is scary. |
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---Trish9863 on 10/19/09 |
I am very much concerned about this type of talk and hope Christians will run from it. The news about the Secret Service under strain from the 4000% increase in the number of death threats toward President Obama is unnerving.
Beyond the absurdity of the question the end game of one who begins such a discussion is never holiness or edification.
The person who asks such a question has already made up his or her mind and probably isn't praying for the president or praying that God restrain Satan who wants to destroy Obama's soul and the souls of everyone else.
If Obama is off target and your not praying that he'll be open to a genuine move of the holy spirit ask God to forgive you for your unbelief. Hit your knees and get busy. |
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---larry on 10/19/09 |
Traitor to whom and what?
US President George W. Bush said in an interview to CBN on Monday that the Bible is "probably not" literally true and that a belief that God created the world is compatible with the theory of evolution.
Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied: "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."
Well, well, well. Have faith in no man.
BTW Gordon, there are no statistics on the number of mixed-raced Americans who voted for Obama just because he is of mixed-race. |
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---larry on 10/19/09 |
---- Leon :
Brother, On the Blog "When Did Sin Enter World", I tried to post this apology but the Blog closed out before it was posted.
I wanted you to know though that I sorry ! I mean to type Miche & Larry not your name.
Once again I very sorry.
Peace Brother & God Bless |
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---Shawn.M.T. on 10/19/09 |
Trav
Dan. 2 v 21, this also refers to presidents etc. Like I say, he's doing some things I dont like either, such as gays rights. God loves the sinner person, but hates the sinfull things they do. |
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---Lawrence on 10/19/09 |
Jesus Christ The Almighty God put him on the Pres-seat to fulfill Bible prophecy. Like others, there sure is some things I dont like. We are to pray for our leaders.
---Lawrence on 10/19/09
He allowed it.....he didn't place him. A foolish nation allowed him in, GOD allowed to show what we are becoming. And a glimpse who can take our blessings away.
The abamanation supports Gay Rights, abortion, rev jerry wrong blasphemy etc,etc. Out of his mouth he sides with muslims.
You side with him. You pray for him.
I pray otherwise.
62.Psalm 26:5
I have hated the congregation of evil doers, and will not sit with the wicked. |
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---Trav on 10/19/09 |
it really cracks me up when people blame bush and Reagen for increased deficit. have you seen it lately? a tax cut is giving back the money you stole in the first place you see I'm different i work for a living. and i watch the gov take more and more, now robbing my children with debt.also. then they tell me I'm not patriotic if i protest.
even john the baptist told Herod he was wrong to sleep with his brother's wife. what America needs is a hand up not a hand out.. |
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---jerry on 10/19/09 |
I cant say if he is or if he is not. Skin color should'nt make a diff. On web-sites I read where he's mixed race. Obama is black, if he's mixed with white, so between there is all skin colors that represent Americans, those that voted him & those that did not.
Jesus Christ The Almighty God put him on the Pres-seat to fulfill Bible prophecy. Like others, there sure is some things I dont like. We are to pray for our leaders. |
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---Lawrence on 10/19/09 |
"Obama was chosen by a mass of people who live in the United States." Gordon, 10/19
Flash, Gordon: "We the mass of people", like you(?), are Americans & I thank God your bigoted beliefs don't represent all of "U.S." Americans. |
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---Leon on 10/19/09 |
no president 0bama should never been looked upon as some kind of idol he is a man for FILLING a man made office.The bible warns us about the last days that people will turn away from the truth why are we acting like this has not been written? If we are really concern about national day of pray instead of watching to see what the president does START PRAYING CHRISTIANS HAS A ISSUE WITH LOOKING UP TO HIGH PLACES (FOR DIVINE GUIDANCE)THIS WHERE THE WAR IS IN HIGH PLACES THE QUESTION IS WHERE ARE YOUR WEAPONS. |
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---SHARON on 10/19/09 |
Jerry, Gordon:
Yes, we must pray for all of our leaders. Be they Barack Obama, George W. Bush, or someone else.
ALL human beings are sinful and imperfect because of Adam & Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden. I confess that I've seen both the "good" and "bad" in our leaders. From historial accounts of George Washington through Barack Obama.
We need to pray that our leaders can overcome the sin that blinds all of us at one time or another. With God's help, I believe that it can happen.
Leaders still must have the "will" to want to follow God. I questioned George W. Bush's "will" and I am not sure about Barack Obama.
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---Augie on 10/19/09 |
"Some voted for him ONLY because of his skin colour, rather than his principles & morals." Gordon, 10/19
You think, or do you know for certain what was in the minds of "some" voters. You do know Americans of many "skin colors" voted for Obama?
Self-righteous people like you are the reason America is in the mess it's in. It's your way or no way at all & you seem to think God has equiped you alone with some kind of special knowledge, e.g., "...Baldwin was GOD'S choice." Really, then why isn't he president? (Ps. 75:6-7) |
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---Leon on 10/19/09 |
Someone said,"I believe that the lies and false witness that goes on in these blogs in inexcusable for people who claim to believe in Christ, and I have seen way too many lies posted about our current president. I also believe that IF some of the Christians here are truly filled with the Spirit of God, they would be better at discernment and not fall for a lot of the lies that are being spewed out by certain people in the media."
I'd like to know why this writer didn't post the same statement about Bush. The very same thing went on and still is.
The media has/is very kind to Obama. I believe that someone who supports a massive baby killer cannot call themselves a Christian either.
Mr. Obama we now need 40,125 troops. |
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---Elder on 10/19/09 |
Regarding Prayer for our Nation's Leader: YES, we american Saints SHOULD pray for our President. But, it will be a different type of Prayer in regards to Obama, because of what he stands for. We need to pray that Obama will recognize and acknowledge his sin, and his anti-christian, anti-GOD plans he's devised for America. Then, we pray that Obama humbly REPENTS before Almighty GOD of his own sin, and REPENTS of these evil, socialist plans he has for this country. THEN, he will be open to GOD's Guidance in his own life, and in the choices he makes daily as America's President. As long as Obama is dead-set on doing his own thing, he ain't gonna listen to GOD's Voice trying to guide him. And, GOD will not bless evil works! |
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---Gordon on 10/19/09 |
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Some of Obama's work has been "disappointing".
The United States borrowed money to "bailout" companies. They ended up paying bonuses to executives. However, few jobs were created. These "bailouts" seem to have accomplished little.
I think that the Republican approach of having "tax cuts" would have been better. I called the George W. Bush adminisration's "tax cuts" deceptive. I have to take back my own erroneous words. Sorry if I offended anyone.
There needs to be a balance between having lower taxes on businesses and keeping jobs in the United States. It seems like Obama just doesn't see that. More jobs have left the country since Obama came into office. |
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---Sag on 10/19/09 |
Augie, GOD Himself did not put Obama in the Presidential Office. GOD allowed it! Obama was the farthest thing from being GOD's Choice for a President. GOD raised up CHUCK BALDWIN to be President. Chuck Baldwin is a Christian Pastor and he knows Who founded this once great Country. And he knows how this country was to be ran. He knows that this country was to be based on the Constitution of the United States of America. He knows that this country was to have complete Freedom to worship the One and True GOD YAHUVEH, without any interference by the States NOR THE GOVERNMENT. GOD sure the world would not have chosen a Baby-killer as a President. Obama was chosen by a mass of people who live in the United States. |
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---Gordon on 10/19/09 |
Watching the spastic gyrations of left wing radicals is just as entertaining as watching spastic gyrations of right wing radicals.
---StrongAxe
I have to agree. It seems like the same old lies. But,these seeming same lies are hiding/covering a different agenda. The Spastic gyrations are remarkably snakelike with this admin. Lure em in....swallow them whole.
The difference I notice this time around the slithering, muslim overtones that we are not familiar with.
The rev wrong BLib gospel that is open yet hiding in the grass with the indoc'd snake.
Oh, well enough Halloween.... Christians still win. Regardless of the tricks....it will still be a treat.
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---Trav on 10/19/09 |
Cluny, I NEVER said, nor posted, that John McCain was GOD's choice. I said that Charles "Chuck" Baldwin was GOD's choice. This was informed to me by one of GOD's holy, modern Prophets. I then checked Baldwin out for myself on his Campaign Website, and also another Website for which he writes News Articles. And, sure enough...this man is the real deal. He IS a man after GOD's own heart. And, he would have been an excellent choice for President. He cares for America, her GOD-given Freedoms, her Constitution, and he cares for the things of GOD. But, America wanted a Pro-Abortion, Pro-gay, Pro-debt Socialist. Some voted for him ONLY because of his skin colour, rather than his principles and morals. |
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---Gordon on 10/19/09 |
Augie: That certainly clarifies things. Did you also pray for George Bush? Do you pray for the millions of unborn babies that are legally slaughtered each year? |
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---jerry6593 on 10/19/09 |
Trish. are you saying you and other liberals are the only ones that can discern the truth, and what is truth to you? Are you willing to excuse what this admin is doing for the so-called betterment of society? How does their agenda line up with the Bible? Do you believe the Bible to be 100% God's word? What this admin fails to acknowledge is the God given American Spirit to think for ourselves as individuals. We don't need politicians to do our thinking for us, who can't even keep their own lives in order. Also what media are you talking about that is telling lies on BHO? And what are the lies? |
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---wayne on 10/19/09 |
Jerry:
I Said:
"I believe that the Bible says that we should accept who God has put into leadership. And pray for them. That isn't always easy for me."
You Asked:
"Did that principle also hold for Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc?"
My Reply:
YES!
We need to pray for leaders like that too. I'm not sure if they were Christian. All the more reason to pray for them. God will bring about changes in leaders. Difficult as it might be, our job is to PRAY for leaders and let God be God. We will all face God about our life. Romans 14:12
I believe that we saw this with Obama coming into office. He has exposed the lies and financial misdeeds of the George W. Bush administration. |
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---Augie on 10/18/09 |
Jerry, that was a good question. I would like to hear what others have to say on that question. It would be very interesting to read what others do with the passages. I am sure many will have good reasons in their answers.
We are to pray that God changes their believes and their positions when it comes to doing things against God.
Here is where many on line do not believe God is the only One that can change a persons heart. They believe in free will. My question would be, since they believe in free will and not God changing peoples hearts, "why not pray to Obama instead of God, so he can change his own heart and give himself faith?" |
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---MarkV. on 10/18/09 |
Augie: "I believe that the Bible says that we should accept who God has put into leadership. And pray for them. That isn't always easy for me."
Did that principle also hold for Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc? |
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---jerry6593 on 10/18/09 |
There's a big deal of difference between "Obama is a traitor" on the one hand and "I don't like Obama's actions as president" on the other.
Too bad that a lot of people don't understand the difference. |
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---Cluny on 10/18/09 |
Cluny:
Actually, what I was going for: what stays the same is "radicals" (and the "spastic gyrations" tend to follow from that). |
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---StrongAxe on 10/17/09 |
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Watching the spastic gyrations of left wing radicals is just as entertaining as watching the spastic gyrations of right wing radicals.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/09//
And what stays the same in either case?
Answer: Spastic gyrations. |
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---Cluny on 10/17/09 |
jerry6593:
Watching the spastic gyrations of left wing radicals is just as entertaining as watching the spastic gyrations of right wing radicals. |
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---StrongAxe on 10/17/09 |
\\"America showed GOD what was really in her heart when she chose Obama over GOD's choice [John McCain?]." Gordon, 10/17\\
Gordon, where did you get the idea that McCain was God's choice?
Did He come in a cloud or whirlwind to tell you?
Why were only YOU blessed with such divine advice?
If it mattered so much to God, why didn't He appear to others with this message? Or maybe even monkey with the voting machines to make McCain win? |
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---Cluny on 10/17/09 |
Jerry,
I believe that the Bible says that we should accept who God has put into leadership. And pray for them. That isn't always easy for me.
While I don't consider Obama to be a "traitor", I do think that he is lacking in some areas. Like controlling the amount of Federal debt that is piling up. About $12 TRILLION or so. Yikes!!!
The Biblical solution to this problem is . . . PRAYER for the President. That he will see the "light" and alter his policies. Many financial experts say that it is already "too late" for the United States to recover financially. Well, the Bible says that with God ALL things are possible. I pray that Obama follows God more closely.
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---Augie on 10/17/09 |
Gordon, I do agree with your feelings about Obama. You are also right on how the vote went. It was not for what was best for the country, but just someone in the Liberal side, and Obama is a great speaker and now he is in every commercial on tv from loans on houses to Chia Obama's in the living room. Toilet paper is next. And just think, it is just beginning.
What I was concern about are certain words that are on the list of words the goverment deems right to question on websites and on the phone lines. I quess what I meant was for everyone to just be careful the words use. I don't believe saying, Chia Obama, is a wrong word. |
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---Morgan on 10/17/09 |
"America showed GOD what was really in her heart when she chose Obama over GOD's choice [John McCain?]." Gordon, 10/17
What's sad Gordon is I think you (like Jerry) actually believe your delusions. (2 Thes. 2:1-12). |
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---Leon on 10/17/09 |
The principal reasons that a man would make a bad President are that he violates Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Matthew 22:36-40, Mark 12:28-33, and that he violates his oath of office to uphold the Constitution. Romans 13:1-7, 1Timothy 2:1-4. We are to pray that God moves our leaders 'hearts' so that we have freedom to do God's will. Yet, Acts 4:19 & 5:29 instructs Christians to disobey orders contrary to the Lords will, and the Constitution also allows us to resist unlawful orders. Most, or all, Presidents claimed to be Christians, and many were not. And so, they were traitors towards the Supreme Being. |
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---Glenn on 10/17/09 |
Morgan, I hear what you're saying. Nevertheless, I stand by what I've stated. Why? Because it is the TRUTH. The LORD promised us Saints that we would have tribulation for His Name's sake. Declaring what Obama is really all about is part of my Christian duty, as he lies to the American people, and to the World. Obama is a reflection of what many people wanted in this Country, in this day of evil and materialism. Obama promised "change". But, not ALL change is good! Many of the american people did not vote for what was morally right for this country. They were much more concerned about the economy. We cannot serve both GOD and Money. America showed GOD what was really in her heart when she chose Obama over GOD's choice. |
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---Gordon on 10/17/09 |
Fact is the deficit has tripled with this current admin, and if the HC bill and cap and trade bill passes we will see the collapse of the dollar in the next 20 years. Also the hate crimes has nothing to do with crimes, it's all about so called hate speech. To silence Christians. So yes I think BHO knowes this which makes him a traitor. |
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---wayne on 10/17/09 |
There is no greater fun than observing the reactions of left wing radicals to a simple, honest question. They all, like Obama, seem to use the Saul Alinsky handbook and impugn the questioner rather than ever addressing the issue. |
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---jerry6593 on 10/17/09 |
No.
I can't say that President Obama is a "traitor" when he has been in office for such a short time. I'm not sure why some people think that President Obama has betrayed, or mis-led, others. I believe that he has been more honest than other politicians. Like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
I believe that President Obama is making a honest effort to help the United States recover from years of Republican financial mis-steps. From Ronald Reagan through George W. Bush.
I believe that the Republicans are the "traitors". Since Reaganomics, the Federal debt has ballooned from "under" $1 TRILLION to "over" $12 TRILLION. Mostly the result of "deceptive" Republican tax cuts. |
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---Sag on 10/17/09 |
Gordon, I am sure that you are an example of a good American and therefore, a wonderful example of a good christian. |
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---Janze on 10/17/09 |
Athiest, Regarding the ALL-CAPS lettering: I see that it seems like I'm SCREAMING and YELLING, and/or that I'm irrationally, thrashingly ANGRY. But, what I'm trying to accomplish with the CAPS is to "stress" or "emphasize" certain words, just as I would do if I were to speak it to you face to face. The slight inflection in the tone of my voice on each given word would be a slightly stronger sound of emphasis, rather than an ANGRY SCREAM as it ends up appearing on the Post. I so apologize for that misrepresentation, I feel convicted about that, and will try better to "tone it down some". Though, not to do completely away with CAPS. |
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---Gordon on 10/17/09 |
Thank you Trav, you answered my query " Shall we repent or strike back with the angry pen and cynicism?"...and proved my entire point. God bless. |
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---larry on 10/16/09 |
I will be the first to admit I was wrong in saying I believe certain bloggers are traitors. I apologize to those I called traitors. I was wrong.
I will not accept being accused of being a defender of the indefensible. I believe that the lies and false witness that goes on in these blogs in inexcusable for people who claim to believe in Christ, and I have seen way too many lies posted about our current president. I also believe that IF some of the Christians here are truly filled with the Spirit of God, they would be better at discernment and not fall for a lot of the lies that are being spewed out by certain people in the media. |
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---Trish9863 on 10/16/09 |
Here's something odd. The post that starts out accusing the bloggers, Jerry and Gordon of being traitors....
ends with this scripture:
not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, ....---Donna66 on 10/16/09
She is a Defender of the indefensible.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
252.Proverbs 4:14
Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. |
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---Trav on 10/16/09 |
Here's something odd. The post that starts out accusing the bloggers, Jerry and Gordon of being traitors....
ends with this scripture:
not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. That is Eph 4:26 (not 46, which doesn't exist)
There can be no argument about this scripture!
As Americans we are bound to disagree about many things, politically....and feel strongly about them.(remember during Bush's presidency.. "criticism is the highest form of patriotism"?)
But, according to the above scripture, we should seek to avoid personal attacks upon each other. |
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---Donna66 on 10/16/09 |
Obama is a symptom of a deeper problem:
Paul said we wrestle not against flesh and blood but principality and power in high places. he is the result of us (the people )who have become lazy in our principles and don't care. if enough of us stood up for what is right things would change. but evil persists when good men stand by and do nothing. |
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---jerry on 10/16/09 |
Jerry, wivv, Trav. Please find the last entry authored by Trish, she is brilliant and temperate.
---Trish9863 on 10/15/09
OK Larry, lets look at brilliance that's got you whipped into submission. She does same thing you think scripture condemns. She calls them traitors. Second of all she rebuked men who have a little better take on what makes a traitor. She willing to fold...as men they are not....they are MEN.
Obviously a "defender" which makes her "walking with" an anti-christ. Her
scripture applies to christians brethren. Not to anti-christ muslim leaders who is also a LG proponent. Throw in infant killer for what it is worth to you both. |
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---Trav on 10/16/09 |
Gordon,
Please don't hold back...Tell us what you really think...Perhaps more caps, bold type and more exclamation marks might help. And you argument seems too rational, maybe you could work on that. |
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---atheist on 10/16/09 |
Please consider this question, do all aborted babies go to heaven? If so, and they were free to choose would they choose to be aborted or to live and go to hell?
There's a little question to ponder. |
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---mima on 10/16/09 |
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---Morgan is correct. And this represents the very sad state of modern society. And I saw what this actually does to a people when I was in China with people afraid on every hand to even talk to you. Similar conditions will soon take place all across America. |
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---mima on 10/16/09 |
I would suggest to everyone that before you make statement's against the President, you are careful what words you use. The goverment monitors phones lines and the websites for certain words. Though we have freedom of speech we still need to be careful what we say and how we say it. It is a free country, but not everything we say is free, sometimes it comes with a very big cost. Maybe nothing will happen to you, but all you need is for someone to pick your name and make your life miserable.
Though I agree with many of your opinions take the time to check your post before entering them. |
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---Morgan on 10/16/09 |
Valar3377, Abortion is MURDER. The MURDER of INNOCENT human beings! The U.S.A. was founded on Freedom. Freedom for EVERYONE to pursue Love, Liberty and Happiness. Well...when a LIVING...UNBORN...HUMAN BABY has it's life taken away from him or her because it's an INCONVENIENCE or a "MISTAKE", then that BABY HUMAN BEING...has just been denied IT'S RIGHTS to the pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness. You and I were not aborted so WE can enjoy this great Land! But, for the countless babies already aborted, and for the ones that soon WILL BE, thanks to Obama's deliberate campaign to keep the Abortion Blood flowing, and the $$$$ raked in as a result....the MURDERING will continue! Obama is a murderer and he opposes all that is HOLY! |
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---Gordon on 10/16/09 |
Obama is not a traitor. He is a human being like anyone else, and is subject to make mistakes. I hate to see how some of us are depicting him. Could anyone email me with a perfect president, or a perfect human being? We need to pray for him and God's guidance. Love is the keen factor to anyone who may be making mistakes, you do not kick him down. Show me your love and forgiveness.
valar3377 |
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---Valarie on 10/16/09 |
Jerry, wivv, Trav. Please find the last entry authored by Trish, she is brilliant and temperate.
Read it, read it again and read Paul's letter to the Ephesians Chapter 4 as she suggested, it's relevant today.
Scripture has a way of bringing us to the place where we should be.
More importantly your reaction to Ephesians 4:49 will say alot about what areas of your life you've had told God "hands off". Shall we repent or strike back with the angry pen and cynicism?
Its for me too. |
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---LarryA on 10/15/09 |
As of this writing, Omba is not a traitor - but close to it. He seems to think he is still on the campain trail, making useless promises. He has no "ear" for the opinion of the majority. He has surrounded himself with a group of advisors who don't know what they are doing for the most part, and many of them have cheated the gov. in some way. I wouldn't suprise me any to see him try to establish himself as world dictator in the future. He tries to make friends with our known foes, and he thinks he can get them to be our friends. But, we are instructed in the Bible to pray for him as a gov. leader. |
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---wivv on 10/15/09 |
Obama is not a traitor...just a representative of those elites (an wannabe elites) who believe that they ,alone, know what is best for the "masses" of the rest of us.
---Donna66 on 10/15/09
yes, sort of like the so called "conservatives." |
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---NurseRobert on 10/15/09 |
I personally believe that Jerry and Gordon are traitors, and that this question does nothing to edify, or build up the body of Christ. Ephesians 4:29 may use the word "mouth" but I believe that the written word also is applicable.
29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. |
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---Trish9863 on 10/15/09 |
obama did not sell any secrets to the enemy or lied to start a war.
---mike on 10/15/09
No he has done worse. He is the enemy. Promotes the enemy's causes. He should be recognized as such by any one that believes in our Messiah.
He doesn't.
If you walk with him...you're of the same persuasion.
He actively promotes/votes what GOD hates. |
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---Trav on 10/15/09 |
Obama
You are very popular on christianet posts
I wish you had time to read some of the views and sentiments expressed here |
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---patie3447 on 10/15/09 |
obama did not sell any secrets to the enemy or lied to start a war. |
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---mike on 10/15/09 |
The broader question is, is Jerry a Christian?
Gordon: Matthew 7:1-5 |
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---Leon on 10/15/09 |
||Well, I don't believe that he ever really was a TRUE american, that is, in his heart.||
Why does "true American in his heart" sound like a variant of "true Christian in his heart"?
What are your criteria for being a "true American [or Christian] in one's heart" besides agreeing with you?
As regards Obama being a traitor, the U. S. Constitution defines treason very closely. For practical purposes, it can almost only be committed during wartime. |
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---Cluny on 10/15/09 |
Well put, Gordon. One cannot be a "traitor" to something one has never ambraced. Obama has never favored what has made America great...INDIVIDUAL rights and responsibilies, free enterprise, freedom of speech and thought. (His books state it clearly).
The government schools, without even knowing him, have spent 20 yrs. or more preparing students (now adults) to vote for someone who shares Obama's "greater good" and "share the wealth" pilosophy.
Obama is not a traitor...just a representative of those elites (an wannabe elites) who believe that they ,alone, know what is best for the "masses" of the rest of us. |
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---Donna66 on 10/15/09 |
Gordon:
Do you have some special insight as to how America was "meant to be" (other than personal opinion)? The only way you can know someone else despises that is if you yourself know what that is. Also, what evidence do you have that Obama hates God?
Obama has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, as has every president before him. As far as I am aware, he has not yet done anything that violated that oath (unlike our previous president). |
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---StrongAxe on 10/15/09 |
Yes.
There is a 99.999 negative correlation between what Gordon believes and what Gordon thinks Obama believes. On that basis he should be shipped to Guantanamo, face a military tribunal whose proceedings are reviewed by Dick Cheney, and then locked away for life. This must be done soon, otherwise Obama may do some of the things that Gordon and others fear he might do, which are no doubt terrible terrible things...And even if they are wrong it should be done just in case! |
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---atheist on 10/15/09 |
Just another question that has nothing to do with Christianity which will show the paranoia of many. |
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---KarenD on 10/15/09 |
Is Jerry6593 a traitor or just an unpatriotic American? |
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---NurseRobert on 10/15/09 |
Well, I don't believe that he ever really was a TRUE american, that is, in his heart. He despises America as it was meant to be. And, he hates GOD. One cannot be a traitor to something that they stood for iin the first place. Well, regardless, Obama IS a traitor to this country of the U.S.A., in that he claims to be an "american christian". He is anti-Christian and anti-America. The Scriptures say that we are to pray for our leaders. Okay, american Christians, let's pray that Obama will see his own sin, and personal need for Salvation. And, let's pray that he will REPENT, that is, see and aknowledge his evil agenda he has planned for this country, and begin to stand for what is Good and Right for this country, according to GOD. |
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---Gordon on 10/15/09 |
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