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Six Days To Make The World

How long did God take to create the world? The Bible says six days, but some Christians say many more. Why?

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The Bible says that 1 day to God in heaven is equal to 1,000 years to man on earth.
---Eloy on 10/24/09


It took GOD six literal days to create the heavens and the Earth. There really need be no confusion about this. Read GENESIS 1:3-5 "And GOD said "Let there be light.", and there was light. And GOD saw that the light was good, and GOD separated the light from the darkness. And GOD called the light "Day", and the darkness HE called "Night". And there was Evening and there was Morning, THE FIRST DAY." This "FIRST DAY" set the timing pattern for the following 5 Days of the Creation Week. If you understand, at least an inkling, of how POWERFUL Almighty GOD really is, it's not impossible to believe and KNOW that the Creation Week was a Week of 7 literal Days.
---Gordon on 10/23/09


In 2 PETER 3:8 it says "But, my beloved, do not forget this one thing, that ONE DAY is with the LORD as a THOUSAND YEARS, and a thousand years as one day." But, this Verse must be taken in context. It was relaying how the passing of time is different from GOD's Perspective, compared to man's. A segment of time can seem to drag on for man, while for GOD, that same amount of time may seem to go by quickly. Plus GOD sees the Timeline from the beginning to the end. This Verse has nothing to do with the measurement of the length of time of the Creation Week.
---Gordon on 10/23/09


The 6 days of creation are more then 24 hrs. of what we know as time. For in the scriptures-that a day is like 1000 years to The Lord-which I think means that time for God is different then ours and I believe it took longer then the 6 days of 24 hours to create ou world.
---Darkhorse on 10/23/09


"Others here, unlike myself, do believe in 'god', take comfort in that belief, but yet, even using the Bible as a guide, don't find it neccesary to denigrate and dismiss all thoughts that do not directly support their personel [sic] belief system."
---atheist on 10/22/09

I'm shocked (but pleased) that you believe in 'god.' That means that you are not an atheist at all. Did your 'god' create the world like my God did? Was it a supernatural event? Your statements that this naturalistically impossible event was not supernatural are rather confusing.

As far as denigrating your belief system ... Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but no one has been denigrated on this site more than me. Man up, will you?
---jerry6593 on 10/23/09




Lee: "Again, you are making unwarranted assumptions in order to support you view of the Young Earth creation theory."

God gave only one measure of time for day length - "evening and morning." He used the same exact descriptor for all six creation days. Day length is therefore defined by earth rotation rate. If you insist that the light source difference on days 1 to 3 changed the day length, you infer a geocentric solar system - a concept debunked centries ago. Get your head out of its dark place, Galileo. Your ASSUMPTIONS are unwarranted.
---jerry6593 on 10/23/09


Cliff as usual you make little sense.

Jesus seeks Saul and confronts him on his way to Damascus. This confrontation leads to Saul's immediate conversion and to his very soon preaching of Jesus in the synagogues. Saul the Christian-killer became Paul the apostle.

But you say that Jesus who saved Saul said he was from Satan? Nonsense!
---Warwick on 10/23/09


Lee neither of us is confused. The problem arises because God's word is my authority, but not yours.

Because of your nonBiblical beliefs about creation you are forced to reinterpret Genesis away from its plain reading.

I claim nothing only point out God said He created light with which He lit the earth for the first 3-24hr days. He then created the sun to light the next 3-24hr days, and every day since. You do not believe God is powerful enough to do this nor honest enough to tell the truth. Such faith!

The 6 days of creation are 24hrs, as Scripture, grammer, and logic say. You are wrong!
---Warwick on 10/23/09


"We're back to: "I think therefore I am", with of course there is no way to prove the existence of anything other than our awareness of our own personal consciousness."
Atheist you have just defined the soul. Without life there would be no awareness, and only life can bring forth life. Therefore life itself ultimately proves the existence of 'The' foundation, source and sustainer of life. Father has given His children to know that He has life in Himself, John 56:26, and with[in] Him is the 'fountain' [source] of life. Psa. 36:9.
How do we know that is true? By faith, the measure of which He has given to all men. How man chooses to exercise that faith, and where man chooses to place it, 'is' indeed an individual matter.
---joseph on 10/23/09


steveng,that is profound,and when you think about it makes sense,but hopefully spiritual growth overcomes the doubt overtones that the statement makes.Doubt is a fact of life,but it can be disabling in a christian life.I dont doubt God,I doubt myself,helps to keep me humble,searching for his strength,and abiding in it.
---tom2 on 10/22/09




Atheist: I thought about you when I received an email today that says:

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is."
---Steveng on 10/22/09


Warwick, You mean you've never read Jesus' scathing denunciation of Pharisees? Paul who studied at the feet of Gamaliel,president of the Sanhedrin?of which he said he was more "advanced" than the others.
No doubt about his "brilliance"
Where do fundamentalists get their belief of surviving death in an invisable state? Paul who says "absent from the body..." Jesus never alluded to any such pagan belief!
Jesus-"do not marvel at this,all that are in the graves will hear my voice..etc."
The dead are not alive!
---1st_cliff on 10/22/09


Warwick -

Gen. 1:14,16,19 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day (the sun) and the lesser light to rule the night (the moon): ...And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Now I can see why you are so very confused, you obviously believe that when God created 'light' on the first period, it was the sun. You really need to read the entire chapter. Such is the case with those not very familiar with the Bible.
---lee on 10/22/09


//Are you claiming God saw the light was 'good' but in reality it was good for nothing?

You are claiming that the light from God created on the first day of creation was the same as the light created on the 4th day.

Again, you are making unwarranted assumptions in order to support you view of the Young Earth creation theory.

The duration between the light God created on the first period of creation to the creation of the sun on the 4th period, could very well have been eons as we measure time.
---lee on 10/22/09


Lee are you claiming God forgot to create the sun until the 4th day, or just didn't get around to it?

Do you claim He did not do it this way for a reason? Can you guess the reason?

Do you claim God said He created light, light which He says made day, and night, evening and morning-the first day. But it didn't?

Are you claiming God who created the sun cannot light the earth without it, but claims He did?

Are you claiming God saw the light was 'good' but in reality it was good for nothing?

Your view is false, and I assume nothing as God has written what He did. You assume He did not tell the truth.
---Warwick on 10/22/09


Cliff I claimed you 'trawl' antiChristian sites, not 'trall.' I say this as your questions are the same as I see on some of the skeptic sites. The same old same old, not based in reality. Easy to answer. No real Christian would promote such antiBiblical nonsense.

Scripture says Saul the Christian killer became Paul the apostle via the direct intervention of Jesus. But you reject this, prefering man's stories!

Where did Jesus say Paul was of Satan?
---Warwick on 10/22/09


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As often, you again twist things I have said, or even things I have not said, and the meaning of words to suit your own purpose.

I seldom refer to Christianty, but to religion and 'god'. Usually if I make a 'Christian' reference, it is to something generically 'Christian', as in 'Do unto others...'

The idea that everyone's worldview is ultimately based on 'belief' leads logically that LastThurdayism, is as good as any other. There is no ridicule in that toward Christianity or any other religion.

We're back to: "I think therefore I am", with of course there is no way to prove the existence of anything other than our awareness of our own personal consciousness.

That idea doesn't scare me, but not useful.
---atheist on 10/22/09


// so why won't some believe the days are ordinary days?

So Warwick, anyone with any level of intelligence that can read should be able to tell you that the first 3 periods of creation were anything but 'ordinary days' as the sun did not shine until the 4th day.

Essentially what your argument is based on is known as an assumption, as the record does not reveal the duration of any of the creation 'days'.

Ture or false?
---lee on 10/22/09


//It's all natural. Some things just don't have a "good explanation"---yet.

God can often employ what you view as natural to do His will.

For instance, there is evidence that a great quake occurred in the Mediterranean that caused the waters to back so that the Israelites could cross the Jordan on dry land.

Also a great westerly wind created the path thru the Red Sea in which the Israelites left Egypt.

All the healing miracles of Jesus could have simply been natural events that were accelerated.
---lee on 10/22/09


Atheist you have it wrong. You feel the need to come on a Christian site and criticise the Christian faith, and ridicule individuals.

However the few questions you have answered (you have ducked most)demonstrate you hold your world-view by faith.

Why can you not accept that both sides here are people of faith, and have the integrity to treat our faith with respect?

Do you need to ridicule Christianity so as to feel comfortable in your faith?

Peace!
---Warwick on 10/22/09


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Jerry,

It's all natural. Some things just don't have a "good explanation"---yet. Those things you and Warwick banish to the realm of the "supernatural".

Apparently you are both afraid that if you don't attribute some things to 'god' and forever to be unexplainable, then you will be forced to give up the spiritual comfort your belief in 'god' provides you, (and the absolute truth your personel and literal interpretation you think you find there.)

Others here, unlike myself, do believe in 'god', take comfort in that belief, but yet, even using the Bible as a guide, don't find it neccesary to denigrate and dismiss all thoughts that do not directly support their personel belief system.
---atheist on 10/22/09


Steven this is no frivolous debate at all. As you say it is obvious what God's word says about the days of creation, so why won't some believe the days are ordinary days?

From long experience I know they won't believe because they have accepted some form of long-ages/evolution. And are therefore forced to reinterpret Genesis through these 'glasses.'

The problem is these long-ages/ evolutionary beliefs place death before sin which undermines the foundational truth of the gospel-see Romans 5: 12, 14, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 15: 21, 22, for example.

How can this be a frivolous debate? Read 2 Corinthians 10:4,5 also.
---Warwick on 10/21/09


atheist: Yes! I readily admit that the earth and all life on it was created by a supernatural act - by God Himself. You, on the other hand also "believe" in in a "supernatural" creation, but by naturalistic forces. Thus, your religion is nothing but a contradiction. No wonder you're so confused.
---jerry6593 on 10/22/09


God did create the earth is six days, and rested and blessed the seventh day. Maybe if more christians kept the sabbath day as a memorial of Gods creative power people would come to know Him better.
Anyways, When God made man on days 6, man had food to eat. Just as the fruit trees that Adam ate from on day 6 had all the characteritics of a fully matured tree, so did the giant red wood. A giant red wood on day 6 had all the characteristits of a fully grown and aged red wood tree. Oh, and Adam and Eve being ONE DAY OLD, had all the characteristis of a teenager.God did not use seedling and sapps to create, he created fully aged and mature tree with his word. PS the chicken came before the egg.
---francis on 10/21/09


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This is a frivolous debate in which the bible says not to get involved. But let's reason this out for you highly educated people.

Why would God call the first three days 'days' if they were not days and the last four days 'days' if they were? If He called all seven days 'days,' but the first three days were not days at all but thousands of years, you would be calling God a liar.
---Steveng on 10/21/09


Cluny we have every Scriptural, grammatical and logical reason to understand God was referring to every-day ordinary earth-rotation days in Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:8-11. And none of these reasons to understand otherwise. Lee's writings are testimony to this.

What difference would it make if they were 23hrs and 50 seconds, or 24 hours and 10 seconds? None. We would call tomorrow 1 day, even if it was 23 hrs.
---Warwick on 10/21/09


Lee, quoting Scripture! An improvement!

Then you blew it:

"There is nothing in these verses that tells us anything about the duration between the first evening and the first morning of the first day. It could have been eons in duration."

It could have been a soup sandwich, but God called it 'the first day' defining it as a 24hr day, just like the following 5!

"Warwick cannot conceive of a day as being anything but 24 hours in duration and that is because his god is bounded by our concept of time."

I do not 'conceive' I beleive God's word.

God is obviously not bounded by our concept of time as He created time for us as explained in Genesis 1:3-5-His concept of time, for us!
---Warwick on 10/21/09


\\ StrongAxe, if I said-there are 7 days in a week would you imagine these to be other than 24hr days?\\

Since the length of a terrestial day actually fluctuates even now, do you have any hard evidence that it was 24 hours at creation?

Or are you just taking this as axiomatic?
---Cluny on 10/21/09


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Genesis 1:3-5 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

There is nothing in these verses that tells us anything about the duration between the first evening and the first morning of the first day. It could have been eons in duration.

Warwick cannot conceive of a day as being anything but 24 hours in duration and that is because his god is bounded by our concept of time.

---lee on 10/21/09


"Your "religion" is one of blind faith in an unknown magical force that defies known natural laws and creates life from non-life."

Your "religion" is one of blind faith in an unknown supernatural force that defies known natural laws and creates life from non-life."


You said it. But both are comedy.
---atheist on 10/21/09


Warwick:

So you are relying on a "common sense" definition of day, because the "24-hour" definition of day is never actually mentioned in scripture.

Also, if days are always 24 hours, then "the day the sun stood still over Gibeon" must have actually been multiple "biblical" days then?
---StrongAxe on 10/21/09


StrongAxe, if I said-there are 7 days in a week would you imagine these to be other than 24hr days?

Note I didn't say they were 24hr days but the implication is obvious. If we cannot understand this, language is meaningless.

As regards Joshua's long day you have missed what I have written! Day has 3 meanings. When coupled with a number e.g. 3 days or 3rd day it always means a 24hr day. Not my hard and fast rule, but a grammatical rule of English, and other languages I speak, or understand.

Read Genesis 1:5 'God called the light day.' Daylight varies in length throughout the year but it is still called day. 'One day' is 24 hours which could be be made up of 2 hours of daylight, and 22 of night. It is still one day.
---Warwick on 10/21/09


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atheist: I assume your last post was a comedy sketch, albeit somewhat lame. The bottom line is that religions (among other things) explain the origin of life. Your "religion" is one of blind faith in an unknown magical force that defies known natural laws and creates life from non-life. It then goes on to provide both the information for the design of increasingly complex creatures, and the motivational driving force for them to defy entropy and "struggle" for ever higher states of being. May the farce be with you!
---jerry6593 on 10/21/09


//Lee, as you know day-length is controlled by the earth's rotation rate, not light source.

And during the first 3 periods before the sun was created, what was the earth's rotation rate?

The earth could have been spinning zillions of rotations during that period when God first created light (Day 1).

Is God bounded by our laws of physics? Was He forbidden to call these periods of creation of possible long duration, days?

If you were to be honest with yourself for at least one time, you would have to admit that the record does not reveal the duration of these early Creation periods and that your beliefs are based on ASSumptions.
---lee on 10/21/09


Warwick:

You have yet to supply any scripture that ACTUALLY uses the term "24 hours" to define a day. But you can't, because there are none - we rely on "common sense" for what a day is.

Now, consider the day the sun stood still over Gibeon (Joshua 10:11-14). "And there was no day like that before it or after it". This day was longer than usual (and NOT 24 hours). This is clearly an exception to the "every day has 24 hours" rule that you keep stating, and if that was a hard and fast rule, this incident would have been impossible. Clearly here, the notion of "day" is something DIFFERENT than 24 hours (i.e. something related to the sun, which I have been stating all along).
---StrongAxe on 10/20/09


Warwick *restored to the pre death vegetarian state* Adam was commanded to exercise dominion over these creatures.Which means be aware of the natural "food chain"
How does a farmer "manage" his herds???

Some Edenic paradise you propose...knee deep in animal feces ,then, you witness disease and suffering!
How many litters do these critters produce in a year???
Why does a porcupine have Quills??
Why do scorpions,snakes and spiders have venom??? Hello!!
---1st_cliff on 10/20/09


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//Lee, pure deceit, as the days of creation are nowhere called '7 periods', but always 6-days, as defined in Genesis 1:3-5,6 24hr days.

Those that have the gift of understanding will tell you that there is virtually nothing deceitful about revealing what the record does or does not state.

In the case of the 6 literal 24 hour creation thing, the record does not state anything at all about the duration of the creation days.

What your problem apparently is, is that this fact reveals that your belief in the Young Earth Creation theory is based upon ASSumptions. And that really upsets your mental & emotional applecart, does it not?
---lee on 10/20/09


//Lee regarding day-length, those who translated the Scriptures for us, rendered the original into its English equivalent, saying God created in 6-days.

Translators merely translated from the various Greek & Hebrew (and perhaps English) sources however, they avoided as much as possible any interpretation that they may have had, understanding that was not their goal.

So along with the commentators, we may interpret Scripture with the given rational guidelines we have in doing so. And that means viewing creation periods as being of possible different duration. And that with total justification.
---lee on 10/20/09


Lee, as you know day-length is controlled by the earth's rotation rate, not light source. In Genesis 1:3-5 God said He created light which caused the first 24hr day-you say He can't do it.

You reject Scripture because man is your authority.

A child knows 6-days means 6-24hr days.

Genesis was translated for us by linguistic/Biblical experts who said God created in 6-days, well aware in English 6-days must mean 6-24hr days.

In your nonBiblical view God told the Israelites to work 6-days and rest the 7th, but they could not understand what this meant, with deadly consequences.

Your god apparently could not light the earth without the sun, and could not communicate clearly with His creatures! Bizarre!
---Warwick on 10/20/09


Warwick - //I work for 6 days always means 6-24hr days. If we cannot understand this language is meaningless.

The problem you have is 'day' to you is what currently defines a 'day' - a 24 hour period depending upon the rotation of the earth in relationship to the sun. (see dictionary defn)

However, since the sun was not created until the 4th period of Creation, this would mean the word 'day' had to take on a totally differnet connotation. For instance while there was 'evening & morning', there was no sunrise or sunset until after the 4th period when the sun was created.

God could call each of the periods, no matter the duration, simply as 'days' and base any further reference on the current viewed 24 hour period.
---lee on 10/20/09


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Lee regarding day-length, those who translated the Scriptures for us, rendered the original into its English equivalent, saying God created in 6-days. This must therefore mean 6-24hr-days because that is what 6-days means in English. I work for 6 days always means 6-24hr days. If we cannot understand this language is meaningless.

Outside of Genesis 1 'Evening and morning' are used without 'day' 38 times, 'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times, each with 'day.' 'Night' is used with 'day' 52 times. All of these mean ordinary 24hr day.

Carefully read the above and you will see 24hr-day is defined in Genesis 1:3-5. Stop making empty statements and show where creation days are defined as being any other length!
---Warwick on 10/20/09


Warwick, Do you not have Gen2.3. in your bible? He says He rested..no evening and morning a 7th day!According to Heb.3 they were still in that "rest day"
Are you going to say the 7th day is/was 24hr.?
Certainly He tells the Israelites "six (calendar)days you work the 7th you rest". Why? Because it symbolizes the 6 yoms(periods of time)of creation! and 1 of rest!
Demonstrated 52 times a solar year
The length of these periods is immaterial,only that they represented the stages of creation! Man in the latter part of 6 puts him about 6,000 years ago.
---1st_cliff on 10/20/09


Cliff, how about answering the question, rather than avoiding the issue?

I ask you again. How will the earth be restored at the end of time? For a hint read Isaiah 11:6 "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them."

Is Isaiah in line with your belief where death, disease and suffering are the norm?

Or will It it be restored to the no death, vegetarian state of pre-Sin Genesis?
---Warwick on 10/20/09


1st Cliff and Lee: If you would each loan me 10 grand, I would pay you back the day after today.
For a "small child" (Lee 10/20), and others *1, *2. Context! God is not subject to time and place *3, but a day is still a day. A week may represent seven years, Daniel 9, but a week of seven days is still 168 hours, Daniel 10:2. 1st Cliff, Using your argument, if what is sometimes called the eighth day is eternal *4, each day of creation is an eternity, absurd.
*1 1Corinthians 3:1-3, Hebrews 5:11-14, 1Peter 2:1-3, yet Matthew 11:25-26, Luke 10:21-22. Also, 2Corinthians 4:1-4, 1John 1:5-10.
*2 Psalm 75:4-5, Isaiah 48:3-4, Acts 7:51, etc.
*3 Psalm 90:4, 2Peter 3:8.
*4 2Peter 3:7, 10-13, Revelations 21:1.
---Glenn on 10/20/09


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Warwick//If the lack or 'evening and morning' mean the 7th day never ended it also means it never began!

It appears that you are having a real problem grasping at straws as you are really out of the ballpark on that statement.

Yes, cliff is correct that there is no 'evening & morning' on the 7th day, nor is there any sunrise or sunset on the first 3 periods of creation God called days.

Anyone that has eyes that can see should be able to see that Exodus 20:11 is based upon what God called 'days' and has nothing to do with their duration.
---lee on 10/20/09


'Creation' started last Thursday. Nothing existed before, we were all created with memories of our individual pasts into a world of artifacts describing a past history.

Creation will be destroyed at midnight Wednesday and created again a nanosecond later.

This has happened an infinite number of times before so don't worry about it. You won't notice.

There Jerry is a 'belief', as good as any other.

I have just added a little to "LastThursdayism" as is common with oral traditions.

Somewhat like Genesis was combined from creation and flood stories from past cultures, creating a single Hebrew god to supplant the many 'gods' of the many cultures and nations that attempted to consume Hebrew tradition...
---atheist on 10/20/09


//Lee, pure deceit, as the days of creation are nowhere called '7 periods', but always 6-days, as defined in Genesis 1:3-5,6 24hr days.

Even a small child learning to read could tell you that nowhere does Genesis speak of 24 hour days. Even others on this forum disagree with you.

You refuse to acknowledge what the word 'defined' really means as the record is silent on the duration of the creation periods God called 'days'.

Semantics is your problem. In linguistics it relates to word meanings, in logic, it is relating to truth: relating to the conditions in which a system or theory can be said to be true.

Sorry you have such a mental handicap.



---lee on 10/20/09


Cliff, it appears you believe God did not tell the Israelites to work for 6-days, rest the 7th!

Regarding day-length, those who translated the Scriptures for us, rendered the original into its English equivalent, saying God created in 6-days. This must therefore mean 6-24hr-days because that is what 6-days means in English. I work for six days always mean 24hr days. If we cannot understand this language is meaningless.

Outside of Genesis 1 'Evening and morning' are used without 'day' 38 times, 'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times, each with 'day.' 'Night' is used with 'day' 52 times. All of these mean ordinary 24hr day.

If the lack or 'evening and morning' mean the 7th day never ended it also means it never began!
---Warwick on 10/20/09


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Glenn: You are soooooo right on!
---jerry6593 on 10/20/09


Warwick, You're like a robot who doesn't (scripturally) use the "spirit of a sound mind"
Creatures multiply any times faster than humans,total vegetarianism,would soon see us over run with critters! Look at India where cattle wander freely unmolested,pooping everywhere,like Canada geese on the beeches,the stench is overwhelming. Eden???
Isaiah shows the "fear" between animals and man gone!
Farm kids make pets of sheep,goats,piggies etc.. but they still eat them,with no disease or suffering!
---1st_cliff on 10/20/09


Cliff our problem is I draw my understanding from Scripture. You don't. You say animals 'were created for food..' Show us where Scripture says that!

Irelevant-Jesus feeding the multitudes was post sin and death."

I ask you again. How will the earth be restored at the end of time? For a hint read Isaiah 11:6 "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them."

Is Isaiah in line with your belief where death, disease and suffering are the norm?

Or will It it be restored to the no death, vegetarian state of pre-Sin Genesis?

Answer please!
---Warwick on 10/19/09


Warwick, The reason I contend that the "days" were longer than 24hrs,is found in Hebrews (you quote from here so you must believe it)
Heb.3.11-19 The writer cites the creation days saying God rested on the 7th and is still resting (with regards to earth)and Christians entering into that rest!
Notice it doesn't say "evening and morning a 7th day" because it is still ongoing. The length of this day will determine the length of the other 6.Right? So far some 6,000 plus yrs.
---1st_cliff on 10/19/09


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Lee, pure deceit, as the days of creation are nowhere called '7 periods', but always 6-days, as defined in Genesis 1:3-5,6 24hr days.

In Exodus 31: 12-17 God twice says anyone working on the 7th day was to be put to death. Twice!

Question: If the days are of unknown length, as you insist, how could the Israelites have known when this fatal 7th day was?

You wrote "The Jewish calendar based on the moon, not the sun begin with Moses." ??? Gibberish!

Anyway what has the moon to do with day-length?
---Warwick on 10/19/09


People have all types of reasons for rejecting scripture but usually its the original sin of pride. They've decided those who came before them erred in translation or that God just couldn't do what the bible describes.
The invisible world controls the visible world so we are incapable of really understanding sovereignty. We must accept it by faith and that is intolerable for the prideful soul.
---larry on 10/19/09


Warwick, You have it partly right (we're almost there) "it does not say death only of humans"
It does say through one "man" sin and death..passed to all "men" (if it included animals it wouldn't have said "men".
The death of creatures has nothing to do with disease and suffering. They were created for food , both for man, and animal "food chain" Christ fed the multitude with fish...God made them very tasty and nourishing for that very reason.
You think they were made "just to look at"??
---1st_cliff on 10/19/09


//If the days are of unknown length, as you insist, how could the Israelites have known when this fatal 7th day was.

The Jewish calendar based on the moon, not the sun begin with Moses.

Exodus 12:1-2 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

There is nothing in the record that indicates anything about whether the Egyptians ( & others) observed a 7 day week that may have conformed to the Jewish week.

As for the Sabbath, it is true it is referenced back to the 7 periods of creation God called 'days', howbeit, there is no requirement those creation days had to be all of 24 hour duration.
---lee on 10/19/09


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H3117 Yom / day. Unless it is modified by another word, it means either first light to twilight, or one sunset to the next (24 hours). As elsewhere in the Bible, day used with an ordinal number (first through sixth), and the term evening and morning means a common day, Exodus 20:11, 31:12-17. Genesis 1:4-5 concerns the earths rotation, and the use of day with night, as elsewhere, means a regular day. Genesis 1 is a literal narrative, and Christians believe that God presented an accurate account of the event to Moses. Why do some people disbelieve that? Because they doubt both God and his ability to preserve his word.
---Glenn on 10/19/09


Lee you must have missed my questions, so I will repeat them for you:

God Commanded Israel-work for 6-days, rest the 7th.
Why?

'For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day."

Question :How long were the days of their working week, and Sabbath?

Using Scripture, grammar or logic please show why both sets of 6-days are not the same length.
---Warwick on 10/19/09


Lee unsupported by Scripture, grammar or logic you claim the 6-days of creation are of unknown length.

As has been explained numerous times before (obviously not understood by you) in Exodus 20:8-11 God Commanded the Israelites-work 6-days and rest the 7th. What does He give as His foundation for this? He says "For in 6 days the Lord made the heavens and the earth...but rested the seventh day."
You must understand by now in Exodus 31: 12-17 God twice says anyone working on the 7th day was to be put to death. Twice!

If the days are of unknown length, as you insist, how could the Israelites have known when this fatal 7th day was?

For once why don't you shock us with a straight answer?
---Warwick on 10/19/09


For in six periods of time God called days, the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

And according to Adventism, those who do not observe the OT sabbath but instead observe the Christian Sabbath will be condemned to the fires of eternal damnation even if they truly love and follow the Lord in all His commands.
---lee on 10/19/09


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Jerry -"I am here to train people how to correctly understand scripture."

I am here to try and make people like Warwick understand that many of his beliefs are based on assumptions.

In that endeavor if I can just get him to read each verse in Genesis 1 and then answer either yes or no if the verse mentions the duration of the creation days.

Hopefully if he is honest with himself, he will answer 'no' to each verse in Genesis 1 and conclude that his belief of 24 hour creation days is simply an assumption or something he is reading into the record that just is not there.

Of course, maybe his pride will not let him take the advise of those who have more skills and abilities to think.
---lee on 10/19/09


'For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.'

That just isn't anything in that verse that tells us anything about the creation periods which may have been of unequal duration God called 'days'. Your god is very small and limited by what we view as reasoning. Ever read Isaiah 55:8?

And no, the belief in unequal creation days does not in the least affect the 4th commandment.You just think it does based upon your determined anti-scientific viewpoints.
---lee on 10/19/09


Lee God Commanded Israel-work for 6-days, rest the 7th. Why 'For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.'

How long were the days of their working week, and Sabbath?

Using Scripture, grammar or logic please show why both sets of 6-days are not the same length.

Your nonBiblical view renders this Commandment meaningless, and worse your version of god unable to clearly communicate truth-Atheist agrees! Were your story true Israel would be placed in dire peril for they could not have known when the Sabbath day was, and as a consequence would have perished-Exodus 31:14-17.

Scripture interprets Scripture proving you wrong.
---Warwick on 10/19/09


Lee regarding the Biblical evidence for 6-day creation you wrote 'It just is not there.'

Your misplaced confidence is astounding. You are unable to offer one Scripture to support your view. Conversely I have often shown you what Scripture says. But you say 'It is just not there.'

Nowhere in Scripture is there any evidence that the days of creation were anything other than 24hr days. In fact the Holman Bible Dictionary definition you accidentally gave supports my case, and undermines yours.

Your nonBiblical view which undermines the gospel (as Scripture shows) comes from your man-Centered long-ages views. Obviously not from Scripture. Nothing from Scripture can or will convince you as man is your authority, not God.
---Warwick on 10/19/09


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Cliff Scripture says sins consequence is death. It does not say death only of humans! That this is so, is ably illustrated by the fossil record, most of which was formed during Noah's flood. Because of man's sin billions of animals died.

However Scripture says that only man can be saved. No contradiction here. You try to avoid the topic, which is: if death was in the world before sin the NT is wrong. As explained many times,even if that death was of man alone the gospel is obviously undermined.

In your story God finished creation and pronounced it 'very good' but it was full of death, disease, and suffering of man and beast. Very good?

What is earth to be restored to, Eden or death, disease and suffering?
---Warwick on 10/19/09


---The_Friendly_Blogger on 10/18/09

"Jerry6593, who said I was here to make friends"

Perhaps you should change your name.

"I am here to train people how to correctly understand scripture."

How would you "train" us to understand Exo 20:11? Would you read it exactly as written, or would you modify it with your own interpretations and additions/deletions?
---jerry6593 on 10/19/09


How long would evolution take to take a decayed man of four days to come to life within an hour?

How long would water be solid enough for man to walk upon?

How long would evolution take to cleanse a man from leper? to heal a man with a withered hand? to heal a woman with an issue of blood? to heal two blind men? to feed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish - and they were all filled? to heal a woman with an 18-year infirmity? to heal a man with dropsy? to wither the fig tree overnight.

If you don't believe that God created the world in six days, you wouldn't, for sure, believe the miracles of Jesus.

Anything is possible with God.
---Steveng on 10/18/09


Warwick, You still never answered my post.
It is your belief that the animals lost the right to live forever ,just like man because of Adam's sin!
Scripture saying "ALL" will be made alive , then includes the X-millions of creatures that died in the flood plus all those who lived and died since?????
If "ALL" (includes creatures)inheriting death) then :
"ALL" being made alive includes creatures too.
We need a little "consistency" here huh?
It's not foolish , just plain silly!
---1st_cliff on 10/18/09


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Jerry6593, who said I was here to make friends, that is not why I blog here. I am here to train people how to correctly understand scripture. But some time people have been doing it incorrectly for so long that they don't want to learn anymore, and it takes some applied ventral motivation to get their attention so they can be effectively retrained.
---The_Friendly_Blogger on 10/18/09


If you are honest, and truly believe it does not matter, then why not believe what is written?

While it is important for our spiritual growth that we believe what is written, scripture also tells us that we need not go beyond what is written.

1Co 4:6 I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.

Now you know why most of us do not believe in your 6 literal 24 hour creation day thing. It just is not there.
---lee on 10/18/09


Cluny you wrote " Actually, neither my salvation nor my faith rests upon a given interpretation of Genesis 1."

If you are honest, and truly believe it does not matter, then why not believe what is written?

As God's word is the Christian's authority how can A Christian be proven wrong when Genesis 1 (and elsewhere) clearly says 6-days, and nothing else?

Is that clear to you? No where in Scripture is any other creation time frame given, no where, so why would a Christian believe otherwise?
---Warwick on 10/18/09


---The_Friendly_Blogger: "God made the whole universe but not by any account found in scripture. If that upsets you too bad. There are numerous creation accounts found in the Bible all are different. The problem is we have many fools who try to keep God in their personal little box."

Somehow that doesn't seem very friendly!
---jerry6593 on 10/18/09


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"How long did God take to create the world? The Bible says six days.."
Actually the six days are in reference to the the amount of time in which the Father 'made'-(asah-"brought forth [from the chaos surrounding them] and prepared")- the heaven and earth [for man]. Exd 20:11
He choose six literal days for His restorative work to give man an understanding of the timeline that relates to His seventh day sabbath, His sign between Himself and the children of Israel. Exd. 31:17
The Father 'created' the Heavens and the Earth in the same way He restored them, "He spake, and 'it' (the creation) was [done], he commanded, and it stood fast." They were not created 'in vain'-tohuw-formless, empty or chaotic. Isa 45:18
---joseph on 10/18/09


Actually, neither my salvation nor my faith rests upon a given interpretation of Genesis 1.

Should one or the other be proven to me in this world, or the world to come, my faith will not collapse like a house of cards.

However, should some of the supporters of a literal six earthly days be proven decidely wrong in this or the next world, how will they then deal with it?

(I suppose the same question could be asked of those who hold the other interpretation.)
---Cluny on 10/17/09


Oh?

Are we taking about the days of creation again for a change?
---Cluny on 10/17/09


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