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As a Christian do you desire to see other people saved? If your answer is yes then what can you do make this happen?

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 ---mima on 10/17/09
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Kath,
So are you saying that sin will not seperate you from God?
And how can you say I don't recognize?

Are you saying that if a saint sins, they don't have to ask for forgiveness and that even though they have sinned their garment is still clean?

1 John 2:1-3
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments

This says different, Kath.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


Also Kath,
Yes its an everlasting Covenant that God can't break, but man can break it.
God won't ever walk away. But man being imperfect and still having to walk in the flesh, does sometimes succumb to it. When this happens we have to realize that its US breaking it not God. We are to examine our walk with God daily to make sure we are giving it all to him. If we aren't, then its man thats in error not God.
Thats why I always say, Get saved stay saved. Get in the ark, stay in the ark. The old man is dead, don't resurrect it. Go all the way with God, endure to the end!
We can't deny that the old man can be resurrected even after its been killed. That's why we must walk in the Spirit Daily to make sure it stays dead.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


I never made a promise concerning my salvation...I believed God's promise that He would not only take away my sin, but conform me to His Image.- kath

Sorry, I saw this and just had to interject that if you believe this then you should believe that if you don't submit, you will be seperated from him. God's word says so. He told Israel that if they don't repent, they will die!
You can't tell one part Kath without telling it All.
Part of working out your salvation is realizing when you did something wrong, went against God, so you should repent for it. His promise is that he will bring ALL things to your remembrance and teach you the right way. So, when you stumble, you can apologize and seek God's help and forgiveness everyday.
---g on 10/26/09


---miche3754 in the following verses you address a problem of your own making. The separation you speak of is under The grace of Jesus Christ.
"You seperate yourself from God by your actions. God keeps his end BUT since man is fallable, we don't always keep ours.
It is important that when we fall we run to the mercy seat and get forgiveness otherwise you remain in the state of seperation."
---mima on 10/26/09


Like I have said before on these blogs, OSAS is only for the faithful who believe in the work of the Cross. To say OSAS is a lie, is because you dont believe IN HIM. You have never been to the Cross.
---duane on 10/26/09



AMEN duane!!

duane said it all..THE WORK OF THE CROSS! not our works, not even our self effort. Actually OUR self effort gets in the way of the Cross, making it of no effect!

I learned that lesson years ago!

The Cross represents death and resurrection life.
Paul said that I may KNOW Him and the fellowship of His suffering....that's the death side, and the POWER of His resurrection...Notice Paul puts the resurrection side LAST here, why? Because Resurrection LIFE only comes out of DEATH!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09




miche,
What you fail to understand is the Everlasting Covenant was made between Father, Word and Holy Spirit, before the foundation of the world. THIS covenant was not a conditional covenant you must KEEP, but one you enter into.... when you identify with Christ in death and resurrection Live. Once we enter in we HAVE eternal Life that cannot be taken away....

Adam & Eve sinned and died....we, as a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST will never DIE again due to sin. Jesus Christ at Calvary did away with the penalty of sin and death BY CONQUERING DEATH!


Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Free at last, Praise God!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


Duane, You can't believe in freewill AND Osas. It just isn't possible.
Yes, Christ is always with us and we are to always follow him. But if you sin and don't repent of it, then what Happens?
You seperate yourself from God by your actions. God keeps his end BUT since man is fallable, we don't always keep ours.
It is important that when we fall we run to the mercy seat and get forgiveness otherwise you remain in the state of seperation.
Markv, the holy Spirit draws you correct? CORRECT. Are you free to deny the call of the Holy Spirit? YES(blashphemy of HS).
The Holy Spirit compells people to Come to Christ but not all choose to follow. I hope this helps you to understand how God allows freewill and how he draws with his Spirit.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


Part 2 please print

**When we sin, we are breaking OUR side of this promise of salvation.
---miche3754 on 10/24/09


Miche I never made a promise concerning my salvation...I believed God's promise that He would not only take away my sin, but conform me to His Image.

The only thing I am required to do is Yield to God as He preforms HIS PROMISES to me.


He who has begun a good work in you WILL preform until the Day fo Jesus Christ!!!

YEP, He has seen so much SIN in me, more than I could imagine..and still sees sin, but says "Hold Still, I need to get that off of you..set you free from that!!!

THAT's His Promise Miche....He said "I WILL DO IT"!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


Like I have said before on these blogs, OSAS is only for the faithful who believe in the work of the Cross. We the faithful never lose our salvation(life) or our relationship with HIM. Sin has no power over us.
To say OSAS is a lie, is because you dont believe IN HIM. You have never been to the Cross.
---duane on 10/26/09


Alan, I never object you asking me anything, you never like my answers. You ask me to answer and I did. I do have six Bibles, and all the information I need on all subjects of Scripture. God has prepared me and can prepare you if you have the passion.
I said all of you suggest= because if you believe in free will, as you and others have said, then that would be what you are saying. You chose Christ out of the goodness of your heart with your free will. A person in a fallen state, with a Corrupt heart, unbeliever with faith to believe.
What you do not understand is Scripture Alan. Even the good works of the lost comes from God. You see they cannot even take credit for that. "For all things good come from above."
---MarkV. on 10/26/09




Alan 2 continue: I don't invent lies and second you never gave me Exodus, someone else did. Are you using another name as Kathr? I believe I told you I loved you, and I do. I don't agree with your believes. I told you I cannot change a person, that is my believe, because I believe only God can change a persons heart.
When I do pray, and I do everyday, that God opens the hearts of those who will hear. And that God bring light to His Word. I don't know who He will bring light to, but I depend on Him because I know in my heart any decision He makes, is a righteous decision. I never say it is not fair for God to do such a thing, because He is infinite and knows the whole of everything. I sure don't.
---MarkV. on 10/26/09


Miche~

I like your statement:

Instead of teaching the unbiblical --

ONCE saved ALWAYS saved --

True Christians should be teaching the biblical --

GET saved STAY saved!!

Perfectly said!
---Anne on 10/25/09


Yes I desire to see people saved, all the time. What can I do? Pray for them in hopes that they will except Jesus in time. Just because a person repeats after you in prayer that doesn't make them saved. Until that person is ready to make that change, and to take that first step, we can't do anything except pray that they will make the right decision. You can't tell a person, you either get saved right now or else. Patience is a virtue. They are willing or their not.
---Rebecca_D on 10/24/09


Mark ... I have KJV, NIV, Good News, New English, and none gives permission to invent lies about other people.

Please let me know which version you are using?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/25/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

"Should we sin just because we're under the Blood?"

Brethren, God Forbid ! How can we Live any longer in sin, If we're dead to sin ??

If our claim of Christ is True then we Believe that as He Died unto sin once, likewise we ourselves are Dead unto sin, Living in Him serving God.

When our 'Old Man' is crucified with Christ, our body of sin is eternally destroyed b/c we no longer continue to serve sin. Our rebirth in Christ makes us Free from the imputing Law of sin & death.

God's Children are buried with Christ by Baptism & have been planted in the likeness of His Death & shall also RISE in the Harvest of His Resurrection(OSAS).

Thanx Miche & God Bless
---ShawnM.T. on 10/24/09


Alan 2 continue: Find a Bible. Study all of the passages that speak about who God is. Write them down on something, everything God display's of Himself. Ask God to not let you forget any of it. Because this is what you and others are saying,
"That God hands are tight, He waits for fallen man to choose Him. And that as a fallen person (lost) one day you decided out of the goodness of your own corrupt heart, (remember you and others believe He has not made you a new creation yet) decided to exercise your free will and own mercy, to choose Christ as your Savior. And God, grateful you choose Him now, decides to give you salvation."
That just about raps it up. He should be also thankful you are speading this to everyone.
---MarkV. on 10/24/09


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We lose relationship and fellowship with God..not salvation!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/09

Yes, We do, if we do not seek his forgiveness.
who is God, Kath? Christ! What do you think the washing of the feet means?
I know, but do you?
You miss the fact that to sin and not repent leaves a stain on our garment that Christ has not washed out. even though Christ won't leave us, we can at any time, give in to the lusts of the flesh. IN other words turn your back on HIM. If you don't believe this then you don't believe freewill.
there is no such thing as OSAS.
You should say the truth- GET SAVED, STAY SAVED
---miche3754 on 10/24/09


Please post

Also, when we get saved, we are accepting Christ and believing in him and are in him.
When we sin, we are breaking OUR side of this promise of salvation.
So, it is OUR fault when we succumb to sin. And must go and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus says he has done his part. It is finished. He is the new Ark. All we have to do is get in the boat and we will be saved. BUT, we do have some people who jump ship. In fact we all jump ship- SIN, miss the mark.
That is why since Christ came, we can come boldly to the throne of God and ask for anything. Including forgiveness.
---miche3754 on 10/24/09


MarkV You object to me commenting on your post when you had not directly addressed me? Anne had not addressed you, and yet you wrote to her. Sauce for goose & gander, mate.

Yes, I do ask ... many many times ... for you to justify your claim about my views.

Your problem is that your responses never do justify, you just come back with further "inventions" (now that's a polite word isn't it?)

You say "You ask and you will receive many times, some time more then you can handle" Don't worry, Mark, there will never be too many "inventions" for me to handle. How can there be, bearing in mind Matt 5.11?

Once again, for your own sake, I remind you of Ex 20.16
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/24/09


Yes. Share the gospel.
---Eloy on 10/24/09


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MarkV ... "Again you wanted a response and I gave it to you. You don't like it again, and again complained"

I did indeed want your response, and was glad to get it, but was sad to see that in your usual way, you used your exceptional talent for inventing things about what I beleive.

In you second paragraph you repeat your invention "You in fact like the idea that man has mercy on Christ when he wants to or not"

I have asked you (it seems like thousands of times, but it is probably only about 50) to justify your numerous inventions (lies) about my views.

Will you now, for the first time, do so?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/24/09


lol Nana, thank you faithful friend.

Donna~ I am not trying to win an argument here, I am simply concerned that people work out their salvation as the Bible teaches us to do. It teaches us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling for a very good reason, for if we don't, we could easily return back to the spiritual condition we had before we were saved and lose salvation altogether.

The Bible teaches us that neither fornicators, adulterers, revilers etc. will inherit the kingdom of heaven. MANY people who were once saved RETURN to these sins eventually, so the Bible teaches to examine ourselves to make sure we're in the faith. For if we die in that spiritual condition we will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
---Anne on 10/24/09


Alan, I never try to push you. In fact you are the one that comes back for more. I never mentioned your name and you were far from my thoughts. You always are. Again you wanted a response and I gave it to you. You don't like it again, and again complained, Why ask? You ask and you will receive many times, some time more then you can handle.

You in fact like the idea that man has mercy on Christ when he wants to or not, rather then God having mercy on whom He want to. You feel that is aweful and terrible for God to do, but you don't see anything terrible about man having mercy on Christ. Lets just say, you have picked a side, which is ok. Many of you have, and deny it. Remember it's your choice. And God judges us by our choices.
---MarkV. on 10/23/09


Matthew 13:15: "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed,...". From that we can infer that at a time in a mans's life, his heart, ears and eyes were not so waxed gross, dull and blind. Therefore He warns, "Take heed therefore how ye hear:". It is 'they' who turn from God, who will then "bring strong delussion" to them, 2 Thessalonians, chapter 2. This having taken place will require that, "God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth", for by then He would have hidden his face from them, Deut 31:17,18.
1 point for Anne, 0 for Donna and the rest of the litter.
---Nana on 10/23/09


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Anne- Your post of 10/22 says:
//Miche, Exzucuh, myself and several others...have the guts to admit that we have all had a time when we fell away from the Lord without a doubt// (Does that take a lot of "guts" to admit?)

Then you say //God made us alive again, but that does not happen in many many cases. It is why we fight OSAS passionately because it is a lie from hell//

.... so you're saying that: YOUR experience was such a RARITY.. that you warn others against OSAS... BECAUSE if THEY should fall away, THEIR case might not be as special as yours was! They might not repent as YOU did... or God might not be as merciful to THEM as He was to you?

My impression is that God restores fallen Christians quite often.
---Donna66 on 10/23/09


As a Christian do you desire to see other people saved? If your answer is yes then what can you do make this happen?

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---mima on 10/17/09


Mima, I believe the answer is found in several passages.

Present yourself a living sacrifice: Romans 12

Surrendeer to the works God has before ordained that we should walk in: Ephesians 2

#Sepatation....then becoming a vessel of Honour FIT for the Masters use: Tomothy

That's just a start!!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/09


Amen Miche on 10/23! and Thank you SuzieH on 10/23! (Nice to see you again Suzie)
---Anne on 10/23/09


Our future sins are not covered unless when they happen we repent of them.
---miche3754 on 10/23/09

Miche, sin was only covered in the OT. A sort of Limited Atonement if you please. But my definition here is that it was Limited because the Atonemeent was made year after year..and never took AWAY sin...only temporarily covered it.

If you say our future sins are not covered, you are teaching Limited Atonement as was OT times. There is no such thing as Limited Atonement!!! Not even in Calvin's teaching!

Our Sin was put away IN CHRIST once and for all and for ever!

We lose relationship and fellowship with God..not salvation!
---kathr4453 on 10/23/09


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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Our Lord & Savior has said, I will never Leave thee, nor Forsake thee, so that we may boldly say The Lord is my helper, even when we feel we have slipped or fallen away b/c we have a high priest which can be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin and in Him we're Free from the Law where sin is no longer imputed !!

So, Let your conversations be without covetousness or a single doubt in your Trust of God's Word as those who do not continue with us and always know we can come boldly unto the throne of Grace, that we may obtain Mercy & find not only Forgiveness but also help in our times of need.
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/23/09


MarkV ... I am not going to be pushed out of shape!!

You have just confirmed that what I said to you is true: ""You yourself do not believe in a God who has mercy on those who are lost. You believe in a God who decides to pick just a tiny few of the lost, and have mercy on them and them only"

But you do try to push me, or at least what I say, out of shape, for you say "You on the other hand believe it is man who has mercy on God ,with his free will to choose Him if he so desires or rejects Him when he wants.

Whe Have I ever suggested that man has mercy on God? You have previously said that I have claimed man is in control of God. You have an inventive imagination!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/23/09


Instead of answering his question you turn around and call him a liar. You who say we should not sin.
Don't you see your own sin? are you and her going to hell?
---MarkV. on 10/23/09
I answered his question on another blog. I have no beef with Mark E. He misunderstood what I said so I clarified.
Bible says that Christians should not sin.
Theres no sin in correcting someone's error about God's Word. Im not going to hell because when/if I sin, I make sure I repent of it instead of assuming Christ has it covered. When God tells me I did something wrong, I repent of it right then. I don't let the sun go down on anything that I may have done wrong.
"Should we sin just because we are under the Blood? God forbid!"
---miche3754 on 10/23/09


James makes a strong point here of separating the idea of testing vs tempting. God tests/refines through the His Holy Spirit *Romans 8:9, 8:28-30, *
Phili1:6

He does not tempt us. The Lord's Prayer, Jesus taught we be not led into temptation, and James is telling us that temptation does NOT come from God, then explains God cannot be tempted by evil, because evil is the result of disobedience,
RE: Eve/Genesis.

James says that temptation comes from within ourselves (the devil does NOT 'make me do it.'), and our own evil desires.

The desires are evil if they are against God's will -- When we pay attention to our own wants rather than God's will, then we are dragged away and enticed, just as Eve was leading to death.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/09


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Anne, you again misquote the word of God for your own liking. James 1 does not say what you quoted it said,
"It occurs just as stated in in James Chapter 1 Shawn, where James is telling the beloved brethren (the saved, born-again, regenerated), that we must endure temptation, for temptation leads to sin, and sin when full grown leads to death. This is spiritual death Shawn."
Those words are not found in any of the Bibles I have. While it is convinence for you to put two passages together it is wrong to misinterpret the Word of God.
The passage no where states that "for tempation leads to sin when full grown lead to death, and you even added spiritual death." Just another false statement.
---MarkV. on 10/23/09


Anne 2 continue: in fact the passage says,
"Blessed be the man who endures temptation, (trials) for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him."
The passage is saying that the ones who endure trails are blessed. And that once we are approve we will receive the crown of life, and that God promised that crown of life to those who love Him.
This passage say's nothing about sin, losing salvation, or becoming spiritually dead after been born of the Spirit.
Just a lot of mombo jumbo with words to give the Word of God another meaning other then the one He wanted to convey to us believers.
---MarkV. on 10/23/09


Markv, I called him that because he said no where does God ever say man can't overcome sin.
That is a lie!
We overcome sin DAILY! this is a daily walk. God said to take no thought for tomorrow. Think on today.
The word says If we walk in the Holy Spirit daily, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
I didn't say if we sin we lose salvation. I said if we sin and DON"T REPENT, we lose salvation.
The word says exactly this.
If you want to argue with someone Markv, Argue with God because it is his word not mine! Go back and read Matt 18. Our future sins are not covered unless when they happen we repent of them.
---miche3754 on 10/23/09


---Anne in second Timothy 2:13 we have this statement.
"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself." In your opinion what does it refer to? When you make the statement "if we believe not" we can reasonably think that refers to the person who used to be believe. Would you also agree that when salvation is given to someone that person is joined with the Lord Jesus Christ? Here we see the reasons he cannot deny those whom he has acceped, to do so would be to deny himself since they are part of him. What do you think?
---mima on 10/23/09


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Miche, you called Mark E. a liar. It's all of you who say we should not sin and Anne speaks of what we should be doing, telling everyone not to sin because the true believer can go to hell for sinning. She even gave you an amen for calling Mark E. a liar. His statements were correct when he said,
"You and Anne are the ones saying we cannot sin. Because if we sin, we lose our salvation.
Answer me this. When is my name written in the Lamb's Book of Life? Phil 4:3 says it is written while I am still alive. How can that be if I can lose my salvation?"

Instead of answering his question you turn around and call him a liar. You who say we should not sin.
Don't you see your own sin? are you and her going to hell?
---MarkV. on 10/23/09


absolutely...we want our families, friends, relatives and many more to get save. But what we will do if we love them? Simply our work is just to pray & share Gospel to them. Salvation is not a work of man, we cannot do anything to save them. Its Gods business. If they hear Gospel, then they believe...its only God who knows the time of their salvation if they are Elect. Simply salvation is Election of Grace.
---ROSALIE on 10/22/09


As always Anne, great points. Just thought I would add these:

Proverbs 10:8
The wise in heart will receive commandments:
but a prating fool shall fall.

Proverbs 11:5
The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way:
but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.

Proverbs 24:16
For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again:
but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

Proverbs 28:14
Happy is the man that feareth alway:
but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.
---SuzieH on 10/23/09


I do, and not a thing. We do not have the power to save lost souls. Not a more helpless feeling sometimes when you would love to see a certain person or persons get saved. We just don't have the power to do it. You keep asking God to save them. But we need to realize that only Jesus through His POWERFUL BLOOD can save a lost soul....It is the most helpless feeling in this world to really realize that you cannot. Only God can.
---catherine on 10/23/09


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Is
"Even some true Christians can later turn away from God if they don't continue to abide in Him."
an Oxymoron?
Matthew 24:12: "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." Christ recognized only two kinds of love, that partaking of the things of God, and that of things of the world, so He was speaking of the former. "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen..."
A real Oxymoron sings "Hear, hear!", yet overlooks:
Matthew 13:15: "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed,...". It says "eyes they have closed", they turned a blind eye and away to the things of God.
---Nana on 10/22/09


Alan, before you get yourself all pushed out of shape again stop to think with you head and not your feelings, You said,
"You yourself do not believe in a God who has mercy on those who are lost. You believe in a God who decides to pick just a tiny few of the lost, and have mercy on them and them only"
In my believes from the Bible, it is God who has mercy on the lost, not all the lost but nevertheless the elect who are lost.
You on the other hand believe it is man, who has mercy on God with his free will to choose Him if he so desires or rejects Him when he wants. God's hands are tight.
Now, as believers our dependence is on God, while your believes your dependence is on man free will. Do see the deference?
---MarkV. on 10/22/09


Anne- //We should be teaching others to stay on their spiritual guard so they won't fall away//.
I agree totally. Anybody I know who believes in eternal security (OSAS, to you) would agree as well.

However,
//God made us alive again, but that does not happen in many many cases//
Doesn't happen in many cases? Are you sure?
What is exceptional about your case?
---Donna66 on 10/22/09


Miche, Exzucuh, myself and several others will completely disagree with you Shawn, for we have the guts to admit that we have all had a time when we fell away from the Lord without a doubt. Without one single doubt.

It occurs just as stated in in James Chapter 1 Shawn, where James is telling the beloved brethren (the saved, born-again, regenerated), that we must endure temptation, for temptation leads to sin, and sin when full grown leads to death. This is spiritual death Shawn.

We should be teaching others to stay on their spiritual guard so they won't fall away. God made us alive again, but that does not happen in many many cases. It is why we fight OSAS passionately because it is a lie from hell.
---Anne on 10/22/09


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Shawn, When 1 John 2:19 is referring to 'they' and 'them', the 'they' and 'them' are referring to the false teachers/gnostics of John's time period whom he referred to as 'antichrist'(v.18). These false teachers were claiming to be apostles of Christ too. This is how the pronouns 'they and 'them' should be understood in 1 John 2:19. These false teachers of John's day went OUT from them, because they did not really belong to the true apostles OF JOHN'S DAY.

This verse is not teaching anything about the teaching of OSAS, but is referring to false teachers of John's day that did not stay with the true apostles.
---Anne on 10/22/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's. 2Cor.10:7

It's not for us to deny a person's claim of Christ but it's an 'Oxymoron' to state "Even some 'TRUE CHRISTIAN' can later turn away from God".......b/c if they really were True Christians, they would have continued with the rest of the Brethren in Christ.

They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:19
---ShawnM.T. on 10/22/09


MarkV~ What Miche and alan just said is exactly how I think about salvation.

God's grace is a 100% pure miracle when we hear the true gospel and we realize what vile sinners we are and so desperately in need of a Savior. We learn that Jesus paid for our wicked sins and bore God's wrath for all the world's sins. This causes many to have their spiritual eyes opened and they humbly repent and place their faith in Jesus' atoning blood and work on the cross.

Even thought the Holy Spirit convicts some to repent, others will freely reject the Holy Spirit and blaspheme it. Even some true Christians can later turn away from God if they don't continue to abide in Him. These do not work out their salvation in fear and trembling.
---Anne on 10/22/09


-- mikeg :

Brother, Vagueness aside as to 'Who She Is?' : Calling a Brother a liar is never a perfect way to end anything !! You stated she never shared what she wrote, so we don't know if the claims of the person in question were erroneous or not, but without cause she shall be in danger of judgment.

The Blood of Christ purges our conscience from dead works to serving the Living God in Him where we're Free from the Law & Grace much more abounds b/c sin is no longer imputed where there is No Law. Rom.5:12-13,19-21

This is how/why we get Saved, we stay Saved ! Any person who thinks it's possible for someone to be Saved & still do whatever they want, has yet to realize Heb.9:14-15, Matt.7:22-23 & Luke 6:45-49
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/22/09


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markv, God giving us a choice isn't taking glory away from him!
You need to understand that.
As a parent, you should understand!
I know that God gives all man a choice. Thats freewill.
If we didn't have a choice, there would be no blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when He comes to you and puts condemnation upon you.
You have been told by many more knowledgeable than me on these blogs that your belief in this particular area is false. Theres no such thing as irresistable Grace. Grace is given to all man from God. NOW its man's freewill choice to accept it or not. The bible is very clear on this!
Even though God loves all of us first, doesn't mean all of man will love God back. Its man's choice thats GIVEN BY GOD!! Understand that.
---miche3754 on 10/22/09


Please post,

Also Markv, Man has a choice to accept or deny the Holy Ghost.
What do you think blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is?!
It is to turn away from what God is clearly offering and not believe!
Do your research on Blasphemy and see if what I am saying ain't truth.
And we also know that God's spirit won't strive with man forever. He only comes to a person so many times before he turns them over to be a reprobate mind, and hardening their heart just like he did with Pharaoh.
---miche3754 on 10/22/09


That was a good try but you still suggest, with this statment, that after we tell the unsaved that God has made a way, and we are to let the Holy Ghost do the rest which is something you do not believe. That statement suggest that God is in control after we tell them, but you say man is in control after you tell them.
You have to get it right Miche. You give glory to God first and then take it away.
---MarkV. on 10/22/09
Miche , MarkV does not understand Hebrews 3 & 4 for starts. God PROMISED the Land...they were on the way..it took 40 years...The land was right before their eyes, so who's fault was it that many did not enter? Wasn't God in control of HIS PROMISE??? Did He drag them over against their will?? NO!
---kathr4453 on 10/22/09


Mark, ... "You had me convinced that you really You had me convinced that you really believed in a God who has mercy on those who are lost. I wanted so bad to believe you. . I wanted so bad to believe you"

Mark ... how can you say that?

You yourself do not believe in a God who has mercy on those who are lost. You believe in a God who decides to pick just a tiny few of the lost, and have mercy on them and them only.

---alan8566_of_uk on 10/22/09


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Anne, I'm sorry I took your explanation as Truth. What you said, really was not Truth at all just a lot of good talk about God. I hear that all the time how great a God we have but they don't really mean it. Your explanation looked so real, even I believe it. It was all just a lot of talk as always. You had me convinced that you really believed in a God who has mercy on those who are lost. I wanted so bad to believe you.
---MarkV. on 10/22/09


Yes
first i told to them that jesus love them , what they need to be saved explain romans 3:23,6:23 and many more the plan of salvation confess with there mouth and believe with there heart [etc]pray with them lead them to christ if not take there number and contine to encourage them invite them to church or anyother church of there choice
---angea7669 on 10/22/09


Miche, sister, with respect to you, I believe you wanted to cover what Anne said with your explanation but said the same, you wanted to redefine the sentence when you said,
"Its our calling as Christians to tell the unsaved that God has made a way for salvation from sin and then let the Holy Ghost do the rest"
That was a good try but you still suggest, with this statment, that after we tell the unsaved that God has made a way, and we are to let the Holy Ghost do the rest which is something you do not believe. That statement suggest that God is in control after we tell them, but you say man is in control after you tell them.
You have to get it right Miche. You give glory to God first and then take it away.
---MarkV. on 10/22/09


Markv,
Brother, theres no such thing as irresistable grace.
Man has the free will to say yes to God and be set free OR say no to God and stay in bondage. Thats what Anne means when she says freewill.
The bible says man has the ability to refuse Gods offer of salvation.
Its our calling as Christians to tell the unsaved that God has made a way for salvation from sin and then let the Holy Ghost do the rest. We all have the desire to see all mankind saved but they won't. Not because of God not calling them but because of man not accepting the call.
Yes , its God's Spirit who draws them but they have they have a choice to accept the call or turn away from it. When they turn away from it, thats committing blashpemy of the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 10/22/09


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MarkV~ I believe salvation is an absolute miracle...but I also believe in freewill.
I believe we can accept it or reject it. If we blaspheme the Holy Spirit, we are rejecting the miracle to walk in His ways, and in deliberate rebellion we turn our backs on this amazing gift because we choose to be proud and/or continue in our sin.

Without freewill, there could be no righteous judgment.
---Anne on 10/22/09


Cluny~ Thanks for the sarcasm bud. We live in a day when the whole counsel of God is rarely preached. We live in a day when God's word is so watered down and His word is treated like a piece of filthy dirty rotten clay we can mold to our own foolish design. We do need the complete word of God and not just bits and pieces that satisfy our itching ears. Without it, we will never come to a true knowledge of salvation.
---Anne on 10/22/09


Mima, the thing we have to do is to teach the Truth. The true gospel of Christ. Let God open people's eyes, give them ears to hear and change their hearts so that when we present the gospel they will receive it by faith.
---MarkV. on 10/22/09


Anne, I am glad that you have given up on what is called "free will." because man doesn't have freewill, freewill is bound by sin. That only means that you are continuing to learn that only God can change a person, and that without Him doing the work on the individual, the individual would never come to Christ. I was glad to hear you say what you said,

"Salvation is a miraculous gift of grace that occurs when God opens our spiritual eyes and transforms our lives so that we'll have faith in Him and sincerely repent."

That is the word of the Lord, very well said.
---MarkV. on 10/22/09


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Matthew 28:19-20: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations... Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
What to learn and what to gain: Isaiah 1:16-18.
---Nana on 10/21/09


\\The only way to hope that another might become saved, is to teach others the complete whole counsel of the Word of God, \\

As opposed to the incomplete whole counsel?

Or complete partial counsel?
---Cluny on 10/22/09


The only way to hope that another might become saved, is to teach others the complete whole counsel of the Word of God, for faith comes by hearing the Word of God.

This teaching, if we teach/preach the full truth, should be like a sword that convicts someone's heart that they are not right with God. This is the Holy Spirit beginning to convict the person that He is in need of a Savior.

Salvation is a miraculous gift of grace that occurs when God opens our spiritual eyes and transforms our lives so that we'll have faith in Him and sincerely repent.

In our dark day, it is becoming more difficult for this to occur, but be patient and continue to teach.
---Anne on 10/21/09


The only way to hope that another might become saved, is to teach others the complete whole counsel of the Word of God, for faith comes by hearing the Word of God.

This teaching, if we teach/preach the full truth, should be like a sword that convicts someone's heart that they are not right with God. This is the Holy Spirit beginning to convict the person that He is in need of a Savior.

Salvation is a miraculous gift of grace that occurs when God opens our spiritual eyes and transforms our lives so that we'll have faith in Him and sincerely repent.

In our dark day, it is becoming more difficult for this to occur, but be patient and continue to teach.
---Anne on 10/21/09


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"...reread Ethiopians Chapter 1...they may've been selected...God's short list..." TFB, 10/19

What're you talking about friend? :)
---Leon on 10/21/09


Shawn what is your opinion of someone who approves of someone calling a brother a liar, and called the comments a perfect ending to the blog. She could have told her what she wrote,
"Also remember that Jesus said if we say 'you fool!' we are in danger of God's wrath"
Instead she approved. While at the same time speaking about obedience and losing salvation if someone sins. Is it possible to be saved and able to sin when you want?
Is that not their argument against OSAS believers?
---mikeg on 10/21/09


Miche~ I just wanted to tell you that you made a perfect ending to the 'Can Salvation be Lost" blog. I'm so proud of you and honored by your friendship. God bless you sis.
---Anne on 10/20/09


Matthew 9:36-38: "But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few, Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest."

Compassion on the multitudes? It does not sound like a short list at all!
---Nana on 10/19/09


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Lets get something straight, you are not going to ever get anyone saved. Since God made that determination before the creation of the world reread Ethiopians Chapter 1 again.

All you can do is inform them that they may have been selected to be in God's family and the realization my come a little earlier.

But we do not know who in God's short list so we have to evangelize to everyone.

Repentance is a result of salvation not a precondition for it.
---The_Friendly_Blogger on 10/19/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Through us Loving the Lord our God with all our Heart, Soul, Mind & Strength while also Loving our Neighbor as ourselves in Christ Jesus as God's Children, we're witnessing to God's desire to see other people Saved every second of our Life by His Holy Spirit shining His Light through us into the World.

Where once sin hath reigned unto death by the Law of sin & death entered into the world so sin might abound, we through the Precious Blood of Christ give witness of the Truth that where sin abounded, Grace does much more Abound & Reign through Righteousness unto Eternal Life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Peace
---Shawn.M.T on 10/18/09


I agree with Trish. This is all we can do. The rest is up to the Holy Spirit, Peoples' response to the Gospel is not our responsibility.
I know for a fact that just because the "Good News" appears to have been rejected, it doesn't mean a seed hasn't been planted or that it will not bear fruit some time in the future.
---Donna66 on 10/17/09


"do you desire to see other people saved?" Of course.
"what can you do make this happen?" Nothing.
The LORD saves though His Anointed One and His anointing.
The Father calls man to salvation, leads man to repentance, and empowers man both to will, and to do, that which is pleasing in His sight.
All that the believer can do is that to which he is commissioned and empowered to do. "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
However, as previously stated, one may plant the word as a seed, another may water that seed, but only the Father can prepare and cultivate the heart of man, for that seeds growth within man.
---Josef on 10/18/09


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The only things I know to do are pray for the unsaved, and be open to opportunities to share my faith.
---Trish9863 on 10/17/09


Since you're not the Holy Spirit, mima, nor (to my knowledge) are any of the posters here, we cannot get anyone to "get saved".

This reflects something I said on the thread about "losing salvation"--that people confuse salvation with a conversion experience.
---Cluny on 10/17/09


As a Christian I do desire to see people saved..........Only thing we can do is let the Light of the Lord shine through you,and pray for them.

As God says in the Bible

1 Plants
1 Waters
I the Lord does the Growing

Gabby6487
---Gabby on 10/17/09


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