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What two special tricks does Satan use to make Christians sin?

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MarkV, Kahtr4453, Lee1538:

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

Hebrew Laws Strongs 8451, In Genesis 26:5 is of the word torah!!

---Paul9594 on 1/11/10

Paul, then tell me how on earth Abraham had the Torah before God gave it to Moses? Was the Torah written on his heart?

If in fact the TORAH was written on everyone's heart from Adam & Eve, why wasn't Cain STONED to death because he KILLED Abel?

Why too, didn't Jesus allow the Pharisees to stone the woman taken in adultery? Did Jesus then in fact not keep the TORAH?
---kathr4453 on 1/12/10


What two special tricks does Satan use to make Christians sin? Jan**


Jan, where do you come up with TWO special tricks?

Satan attacks a person's FAITH. If he can cause you to doubt...there is sin!

Telling people they need more than Christ.
RE: Psychology, etc. Psycho-babel. That keeps the old man ALIVE.

There are all kind of tricks.

But one I see here often comes from the Garden itself...." Has God said??...God really meant this or that.....He really didn't mean THAT!
---kathr4453 on 1/12/10


Paul I wasn't talking about breaking any of Christ's commandments.
I was addressing the fact that you said that the doctrine of Old mosaic covenant and New Covenant was a false doctrine.
Is not a false doctrine(see scripture I gave). It is the truth.
The old was severed when Christ died on the Cross. It was nailed to that cross with him and crucified therefore making it obsolete, null and void(Col.2:13-15).
No one on here has said they break the commands of Christ.
Christ says now that we rest in him daily not just resting on the sabbath, but resting every day(Matt. 11:28).
And the tricks Satan uses against man is addressed in 1 John 2:16 there are 3 not 2.
---miche3754 on 1/12/10


Paul9594 - one does not ignore anything found in the Bible, howbeit, we are urged to rightfully interprete the word of truth.2 tim. 2:15 And that is why we differ on the various issues.

As for commentaries, they are not our final authority however, we learn from those who are more skilled in His word. And why should they not be part of our research into issues that we have little or no knowledge concerning?

Yes, we could use the Bible only, but then we waste much time even years going down the same paths as godly Christians who became our teachers, learning the ancient languages and reading the numerous documents and books as they have.
---Lee1538 on 1/12/10


Lee1538:

So you void HE-brew word of torah, of Genesis 26:5 to keep the precepts of men, commentaries?

What else is new?

Oh yeah Christ forgot to teach us about His Law, and it's role for the Gentile.

Let's ignore chapter 5,6,7 of Matthew, waste of Christ' words, right?


Let's let commnentaries be our authority, to set the teaching on the Law and ignore His words?


Who cares, commentaries died for us, lets follow them?
---Paul9594 on 1/11/10




Paul9594 //IF YOU don't receive Christ sayings, the Words He spoke will judge you!

Simply put no one here rejects the word of our Lord, however, what we do reject is simply your interpretation of His word.

Again you contention that Abraham received the Mosaic law is unfounded and our position on this issue has already been explained in some detail. Perhaps you really need to go back and review the various posts.

And again why don't you simply get to your bottom line that you simply want us to observe a law (the Jewish Sabbath), from an covenant that has been declared obsolete and rejected by His word in the New Testament.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


Paul9594 //Are true sons/daughters FREE from producing WHOLE Fruit: FAITH (Gen. 15:6) AND OBEDIENCE (Gen. 26:5) LIKE ABRHAHAM?

As explained before from Romans 4:13f, Abraham's promises and blessings were NOT NOT NOT based on law keeping but only on faith.

So like Abraham Christians are to walk by faith. Romans 1:17 and Galatian 3:11 clearly states that the rightous walk by faith, not by the old Torah law.

Ga 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for The righteous shall live by faith.

You should spend more of your time studying the New Testament and not the old otherwise you continue to be blinded by legalism.
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


MarkV, Kahtr4453, Lee1538:

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

Hebrew Laws Strongs 8451, In Genesis 26:5 is of the word torah!!
It amazes me, those who called themselves His church, keep commentaries words instead of Christs HE-brew words!

Good fruit is required from BELIEVERS, NOT JUST MIGHTY WORKS!!! Or hear Matthew 7:20-23

Part of GOOD fruit = obedience, keeping His commandments in the Spirit of love: Christ!! NOT applying the Law like the Pharisees.

Will u answer ONE question, WITHOUT commentaries?

Are true sons/daughters FREE from producing WHOLE Fruit: FAITH (Gen. 15:6) AND OBEDIENCE (Gen. 26:5) LIKE ABRHAHAM?
---Paul9594 on 1/11/10


Lee1538, Kathr4453, Miche3754, JackB, MarkV:

Truth: Christ's lips says,

John 12:48 HE that REJECTS me, and RECEIVES NOT >>> MY SAYINGS <<<, hath one that judgeth him: the WORD that I spoke, the same shall judge him IN THE LAST DAY.

IF YOU don't receive Christ sayings, the Words He spoke will judge you!

Christ will judge u by >> His WORDS, << not according to commentaries words!

John 14:15 IF YOU love me, >> YOU WILL KEEP << my commandments.

Mat 5:19 whosoever (not just Jews) therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven:

Do you break Christ's least commandments and teach so? Be called least, or hear Matthew 7:20-23
---Paul9594 on 1/11/10


kathr4453 While the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin & death, the "righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit".

So let us adhere not to that ministry of death & condemnation craved on letters of stone, but to the ministry of the Spirit which is far more glorious. 2 Cor. 3:7,9
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10




But sin was in the world even before the law was given.

---Lee1538 on 1/11/10

Absolutely, sin was not imputed to men from Adam to Moses HOWEVER Death passed on to ALL regardless.

Now teh Spirit of teh LIFE of Christ has set me free fromt the LAW of Sin and Death.

The LAW of Sin and death came with Adam & Eve, not Moses! ...you eat you DIE!!!
---kathr4453 on 1/11/10


The New Covenant Church
Old Mosaic Covenant ( previously posted by Lee1538)
---Paul9594 on 1/8/10

Sorry Paul but Lee is right.
In the NASB new covenant is mentioned in these verses clearly-
Jer. 31:27-31, Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:1-7, Hebrews Chapter 8,9:1-3,9:14-16, 12:23-25

Jesus is the Mediator of the New Covenant.
Hebrews clearly states that the FIRST Covenant is made obsolete, cut off, old, no effect, done. The NEW Covenant is better made by and through Jesus.
In fact Jesus said "It is finished!"
---miche3754 on 1/11/10


kathr4453 //Paul and anyone here. Romans 5 CLEARLY state the LAW came with MOSES, and between Adam and Moses THERE WAS NO LAW!!!!

But sin was in the world even before the law was given.

Ro 5:13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.

The law came to define what sin is but in doing so it did not provide any remedy for it.

Ro 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
---Lee1538 on 1/11/10


Lee, Paul and anyone here. Romans 5 CLEARLY state the LAW came with MOSES, and between Adam and Moses THERE WAS NO LAW!!!!
---kathr4453 on 1/11/10


Question to Paul9594 -

Do you agree that when the believer is born again in Christ that he or she becomes a new creation? 2 Cor. 5:17

And is being born again in Christ an experience that the believer is aware of?

If the Spirit of Christ creates in the believer a new creation, can Christ then say 'depart from me, I never knew you? If so, then would that not make a liar out of the Lord?

I ask this of you since you like to horn the verse Mt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
---Lee1538 on 1/10/10


//These coined terms are not biblical and many other lee1538/commentators use to set FOUNDATIONAL unbiblical doctrines, teachings!!

Really now!!! It is apparent that you are attempting to obfuscate the issue at hand by questioning terms that are generally used to describe the same things.

Why don't you just get to your point that you believe Christians should observe the Torah laws especially the observance of the Jewish Sabbath?

Frankly, Sabbaterians are really desperate in attempting to find something that would support their errant belief that the Sabbath was observed prior to the time of Moses however all their arguments are truly fallacious.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


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Paul9594 //But How do Galatians become in bondage to beggarly Law, they never kept?

The subject Paul was addressing was that the Galatians after receiving the gospel turned BACK to the Torah law under the influence of the Judaizers.

As to bondage, read further in Galatians to see such turning back to the (torah)law was viewed as 'a yoke of slavery'.

Gal 5:28-31 But what does the Scripture say? Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman (represents covenant of Mt. Sinai) shall not inherit with the son of the free woman. So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman. For freedom Christ has set us free, stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


Correction:

For my previous post here.

Coined terms:
The New Covenant Church
Old Covenant

MEANT TO POST:

The New Covenant Church
Old Mosaic Covenant ( previously posted by Lee1538)

These coined terms are not biblical and many other lee1538/commentators use to set FOUNDATIONAL unbiblical doctrines, teachings!! These and other coined unbiblical terms have been added by lee1538/his commentators. The Word instructs us not to add to His Word! Deut. 4:2, Proverbs. 30:6
---Paul9594 on 1/8/10


//Now that (God's order to Abraham to sacrifice his son) is totally opposed the Law to begin with. Where in the 10 commandments are we commanded to place our children on an alter and sacrifice them?

Very very good comment! Beautiful!

If Abraham had the law he certainly would not have obeyed God to sacrifice his own son, since the sixth commandment is thou shalt not murder. He would have known that the voice he heard was not from God but from evil.

That alone should indicate that Abraham in Genesis 26:5 was NOT given the Mosaic law, specifically the 10 commandments.

And yes, James who was a stickler for the law would have demanded Sabbath observance if it was of any importance at all.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


As stated before, Abraham's obedience was an obedience of faith to the specific commands of God given to him and not to any of the 10 commandment law.


---Lee1538 on 1/8/10

Lee1538, Even James never uses the Law of Moses as concerning Abraham's OBEDIENCE. Abraham placed Isaac on an alter...OBEYING GOD!

Now that totally opposed the Law to begin with. Where in the 10 commandments are we commanded to place our children on an alter and sacrifice them?

And NOWHERE does James ever mention keeping a SABBATH Day rest. If anyone of all would insist on a Sabbath Rest it would have been James( The head of the Council in Jerusalem) or Peter, the apostle to the Jews both wrote to the 12 tribes.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/10


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kathr4453 - agree with you on what you posted about Abraham.

As stated before, Abraham's obedience was an obedience of faith to the specific commands of God given to him and not to any of the 10 commandment law.

There are numerous NT texts which show that Abraham's promises and blessing were NOT based on law or law keeping but only on faith.

Thus to argue that Abraham in Genesis 26:5 implies Abraham kept the Sabbath is in direct contradiction to the clear statement of scripture.

Consider Romans 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart. Abraham is a man that lived in faith.

In Genesis 20:7 God says to Abimelech in a dream "now restore the the man his wife, for he is a prophet.

Abraham being a prophet meant that God spoke to him, and whatever God told Abraham to do he obeyed God in faith and did what he was commanded to do.

It in no way implies Abraham kept ALL the Law given to Moses.

And we know Moses fulfilled the promises given to Abraham concerning the LAND. Moses also obeyed the Law given to Adam & Eve, Cain 7 Abel..Sacrifice.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/10


Net Bible comment on Genesis 26:5b My charge, my commandments, my statues, my laws.

The language here is purely interpretative, for Abraham did not have these laws. The terms are legal designations for sections of the Mosaic law and presuppose the existence of the law. Some Rabbinic views actually conclude Abraham had fulfilled the whole law before it was given. Some scholars argue this story could only have been written after the law was given. But the simplest explanation is the narrator (traditionally Moses the lawgiver) elaborated on the simple report of Abrahams obedience by using terms which the Israelites were familiar. In this depicts Abraham as the model of obedience to Gods commands, whose example Israel should follow.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


"know ye not that the UNRIGHTEOUS shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

For the sake of clarity we should define who is" unrighteous". The unrighteous would be those who have not had the righteous of the Lord Jesus Christ imputed to them. Because only the righteousness of Jesus Christ will be honored by the father.
Our righteousness(mine and yours) is as filthy rags(menstrual rags in the Greek) before the father..
---mima on 1/8/10


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***Paul9594's version of 1Cr 6:9****

Or know ye not that the UNRIGHTEOUS shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, NOR SABBATH BREAKERS...shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Why don't we simply cut to the chase and discuss your bottom line, that you view others that truly love the Lord Jesus, as evil because they do not observe the Old Covenant Sabbath?

1 Cor. 6:9 deals with those that are have very bad morals.
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


1Cr 6:9 Or know ye not that the UNRIGHTEOUS shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul, when we're Crucified with Christ and raised a NEW Creation, our old man listed above DIED. Romans 6!!!!!This is the doctrine of the CROSS!.

You cannot make over your old man. Through Jesus death and resurrection Life we enter a New and LIVING way. We're a New Creature. Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God either. Our old man is that flesh and blood.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/10


Paul9594 //The New Covenant Church, Old Covenant Are not in the Bible ANYWHERE!!

The NT speaks of 'a New Covenant' at least 7 times. It is the covenant the church is under.

The term 'old Covenant' is found in -

2Co 3:14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.

Is your mind still hardened when you read the old covenant given only to the nation of Israel?

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

When are you going to consent to the words of Christ? Or will you like the Pharisees, the chief enemies of Christ, continue to promote the law?
---Lee1538 on 1/8/10


Christians are well-doers, not sinners: NonChristians are sinners, not well-doers. And we Christians tread under our feet the head of Satan, for he is a total loser and it is well proven that we have All power over him.
---Eloy on 1/8/10


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What does Paul say about bondage is, with his own lips and not by BADY INTERPRETATIONS, TRANSLATIONS THAT LIE TO YOU about Paul said:

Gal 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were held in BONDAGE under the RUDIMENTS of the WORLD:

BONDAGE = RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD,
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be IN BONDAGE TO SIN,

Bondage = Sin

Gal 4:9 known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?

But How do Galatians become in bondage to beggarly Law, they never kept?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Paul9594 - The Apostle Paul did not teach the Torah but Christ and Him crucified.

1 Cor.2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

As for the Torah law, the Apostles is very clear when he stated -"I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh... as to righteousness, under the law BLAMELESS. But whatever gain I had, I counted as LOSS for the sake of Christ....because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as RUBBISH, in order that I may gain Christ"

And he stated that no one is justified (declared righteous) by keeping the (torah) law. Romans 3:20
---Lee1538 on 1/7/10


MarkV, Lee1538, JackB, kathr4453:
GENESIS 26:4-5

4 I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these lands. And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

(what does the Father do?)

5 BECAUSE that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my
commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

BECAUSE Abraham a MAN OF FATIH, obey what? His Laws, Statutes, commandments?

Even nations blessed because Abraham A MAN OF FAITH, kept FATHERS Laws?
I thought MANY say A MAN OF FAITH doesnt keep laws? Their a curse?

What is the result of a man of true Faith like Abraham? Is he enabled to walk after His Torah?
Is evidence of Faith? Lawlessness?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Lee1538:
///The New Covenant of the Church is not a re-hash of the Old Covenant...///

Coined terms:
The New Covenant Church
Old Covenant

Are not in the Bible ANYWHERE!!

The Bible DOES TEACH about a New Covenant with the House of Israel and Judah.
Jeremiah 31:31

U have not been grafted into the only New Covenant IN THE BIBLE. Surprised?

I'm amazed, the made up coinded terms to set very foundational doctrine, not even in the Bible.

From the Word:
Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the COMMANDMENTS of Jehovah...

Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a LIAR.

---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


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//The Renewed??/New Covenant (Psalm 19:7) of 27 writings cannot contradict nor much less VOID its own types, ...

Neither physical circumcision nor the laws of Moses were not imposed on the Church. Acts 15:5,19f)

The New Covenant of the Church is not a re-hash of the Old Covenant nor is it simply an appendage to it.

laws strictly Jewish in nature as physical circumcision (Acts 15), observance of the Sabbath (Romans 14:5f), and the Levitical food laws (Col. 2:14, Romans 14:2-3, Mark 7:18f) are not applicable to the New Covenant.

The New Covenant is the ministy of the Spirit, not that Old ministry of death & cndemnation written on stone. Believers are to walk by His Spirit, not by Torah law. Gal.5:25
---Lee1538 on 1/7/10


MarkV, Lee1538, kathr4453, JackB:

Paul, the Apostle, AFTER the resurrection of Christ, 30 to 35 yrs INTO the CHURCH AGE, for those in the name of Christ, with the Spirit of the Father: Paul teaches them NOT to break Torah.

1Cr 6:9 Or know ye not that the UNRIGHTEOUS shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you break the Torah by doing the above?

Then u keep the Law? If so, why do u tell others we don't have to keep Torah/Law?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Kathr4453: Part 3
I dont do walk after Torah= teachings instructions, some in the form of commandments that dont apply to me.
A few examples are:

Instructions, some in the form of commandments for women, for kings, for Levitical Priesthoods, their sacrifices etc.

I also believe in the New/Renewed Covenant restored in Christ, (Jeremiah 31:32) prophesied, typed, foreshadow, illustrated in The Law and The Prophets, being fulfilled as written in the second part 27 writings of the Bible.

The Renewed/New Covenant (Psalm 19:7) of 27 writings cannot contradict nor much less VOID its own types, foreshadows, and prophecies, illustrations written in The Law and The Prophets!
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Rom 2:20 a corrector of the FOOLISH, a teacher of BABES, having in the LAW the FORM of knowledge AND of the TRUTH,

WHO HATES Christ's behavior, mindset and manners expressed in the Gospels?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Paul, do you then believe Jesus was merely a teacher? Or do you believe Jesus is God?

Christ's OBEDIENCE unto Death you seem to over look.

Phil 2 state, thought it not robbery to be equal to God BUT He humbled himself, and became OBEDIENT unto Death, even death of a CROSS....


Jesus came to do the WILL OF GOD!!! What was that will? Hebrews 10 EXPLAINS IT ALL!!!....to do thy will oh Lord.

A BODY has thou prepared....A body for what Paul??

The Lamb of God..is the Answer!
---kathr4453 on 1/7/10


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Kathr4453: Part 1
U asked:
/// You keep Torah, the first five books of the Bible correct?///

Incorrect, I walk after keeping, 1st part of Torah, this includes what is incorrectly called Old Testament.

First five books of Moses are the SOLID foundation of the rest of Torah writings.

Because every concept, principle, cycle, prophecies, The Fathers sons, daughters need to know during this fall, are found in the HE-brew words OF THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS!

Christ used Torah to teach, quoted 24 times. He calls the First 39 Writings:

Law and the Prophets (Matthew 22:40, Luke 24:44) Scripture (Luke 4:21, John 7:38) Word (Luke 8:21, John 8:51).

Do we follow Christs examples, or the teachings of men?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Why is it that simply because we say we dont judge our salvation by the law you assume we "HATE" Christs behavior?

We love Christ and his behavior. His behavior saved a lost a dying world.

Just because someone isnt perfect at following Gods law doesnt mean he hates it. The law is good. We are evil. Gods grace is sufficient.
---JackB on 1/7/10


Paul, you quoted Romans 2:20 and did not understand what he was speaking about. He was talking about the Jews who possessed the law, the Jews were confident that they were spiritually superior teachers: Guides to blind pagans (Matt. 23:24-28) Light and wise in God's ways of the law, and able to teach babes in reference to Gentile proselytes to Judaism. Having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. "You, therefore who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? ,...(and goes on to say) You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the Law?" He even goes on to say they rob temples v. 22. So your example is a very bad.
---MarkV. on 1/7/10


Kathr4453: Part 2

The Torah= teachings instructions, is not legislative Law, as the western mind thinks!! But Fatherly instructions to teach.

Again, because every concept, principle, cycle, prophecies, The Father's sons, daughters need to know during this fall, are found in the HE-brew words OF THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS!

This is why you do not abolish The Torah. But walk after its practical teachings believing in the power of the cross and His Holy Spirit in its Spirit of love: Christ, growing to do them with His manners and mindset! Not like Pharisees!

Answer one question:
Do you hate Christ's manners, mindset, the LIVING Torah, expressed in the Gospels? Or do u admire Him, as he fulfilled them?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


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Lee1538, MarkV, Kathr4453, JackB: Part 1

If >> TRUTH << is INDEED on your side, good:

DO Christ teachings.

Christ IS the Word, (John 1:1-5), and TRUTH.
What is TRUTH?
John 14:6
I am the way, and >> the TRUTH, << and the LIFE: no
one cometh unto the Father, but through ME.

Psa 119:142 THY righteousness is an EVERLASTING righteousness, And THY >>> LAW << is TRUTH.

Mal 2:6 The Law/TORAH of >> TRUTH << (OF WHAT? TRUTH ) was in HIS mouth, and UNRIGHTEOUSNES was not found in his lips:

Rom 2:20 a corrector of the FOOLISH, a teacher of BABES, having in the LAW the FORM of knowledge AND of the TRUTH,

WHO HATES Christ's behavior, mindset and manners expressed in the Gospels?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Lee1538, MarkV, Kathr4453, JackB: Part 2

Lips of Christ:

Mat 7:24 EVERY ONE that hears these words of MINE and DOES them, shall be likened unto a >> WISE MAN << who built his house upon the ROCK:

Some hear His words, and do them.

What do the foolish ones do?
They hear His words, but do the commentary words, precepts of men, worlds ways etc!!!

26 one that HEARS these MY WORDS, and >> DOES THEM NOT << shall be likened to a >> FOOLISH << man, who built his :house UPON the SAND: and the winds blew, and smote upon that :house (with MEN words), and it FELL: and GREAT was its :FALL.

Does Christ, say DO my words up to a point?
---Paul9594 on 1/7/10


Paul, let me ask you a serious question! You keep Torah, the first five books of the Bible correct? Do you see that Abraham was never under the sabbath law? So what part of Torah do you decide to obey...the Law of FAITH ((Abraham)), or the Law of Works....((Moses))?

Now THOSE who are of the Faith of Abraham( Not MOSES) are counted as the seed (Galatians). Romans 10 tell us they have a zeal FOR (MOSES) but fell SHORT (ABRAHAM)!

The LAW didn't OVERRIDE the Covenant made to Abraham clearly stated in Romans 4.

If you actually KEPT ALL the Truth in God's Word and stop limiting yourself to the first 5 books,explained thoroughly in Hebrews you would see CHRIST fulfilled the LAW. Can you see Christ in the Tabernacle?
---kathr4453 on 1/7/10


Paul9594 please give your understanding of this verse, Proverbs 11:30,
"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he that winneth souls is wise."
---mima on 1/7/10


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Paul9594 =//You say with your lips the truth of Father's words is on your side, but yet u use commentaries as your daily support for your arguments?

The commentaries written by those the Lord has called into the ministry of teaching truly clarify what the Word of God is telling us.

It is no wonder you have a deep hatred for them as they expose you and what you are teaching.

What you are promoting is known as the Galatain heresy - that the grace of God is not sufficient for our salvation and walk, that we must add works of the Torah to it.
---Lee1538 on 1/7/10


Lee1538:

U said:
/// truth of God's word is on our side, not yours.///


Lee, your mind has been so marred by the precepts of men.

I hope you wake up for your sake.

You say with your lips the truth of Father's words is on your side, but yet u use commentaries as your daily support for your arguments?


How about using Christ word's?

And where is mima? Have you taught her to use commentaries for her answers, is this what she is doing becasue of you?
---Paul9594 on 1/6/10


//Who were those Christ criticized and condemned the most if not Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees & Sadducees?

He condemns EVEN today!!
--
There are some today, like the foolish Galatians, believe grace is not sufficient for the Christian walk or salvation, that one needs also the Torah law that was a schoolmaster or guardian until we could be justified by faith in Christ. Gal.4

Obedience to Torah law for ones salvation & walk places one under a curse.

Gal. 3:10 For all who rely on works of the (torah) law are under a curse, for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, & do them.

the truth of God's word is on our side, not yours.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Lee1538,mima: Part 3

Both wrote:

///Who were those whom Christ criticized and condemned the most if not the Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees & Sadducees? ///

He condemns EVEN today!! They PROMOTE THE TRADITIONS, of men! AND VOID HIS COMMANDMENTS,is the reason 4 double judgment 4 this nation!

Mat 15:6 he shall not honor his father. And ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition.

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people honoreth me with their lips, But their heart is far from me.

Are u voiding His commandments for precepts of men of commentary traditions?

Do you hate Christ's behavior, mindset in the Gospels?
---Paul9594 on 1/6/10


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//I walk after His commandments believing in power of the Cross and His Holy Spirit.

And we as Christians do also but we do not adhere to that old ministry of death & condemnation craved on stone (2 Cor. 3:7,9) but in the newness of life in the ministry of the Spirit.

And what are the commandments that we are to observe? They are found in 1Jo 3:23, namely to believe in the name of God's son Jesus the Christ, and to love one another.

Sorry Paul9594, but there is virtually nothing in the New Covenant of His Church that states we must observe the Torah laws especially the Jewish Sabbath.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Lee1538,mima: Part 2

U both wrote:

///Who were those whom Christ criticized and condemned the most if not the Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees & Sadducees? ///

INDEED! He condemns them!! Because they promoted the Law and Sabbath the WRONG WAY, BY not ACTUALLY KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS but INSTEAD PROMOTED THEIR TRADITIONS, of men!
Pharisees do as Lee1538 and perhaps u (mima) promote TRADITION OF MEN in the commentaries TO VOID HIS COMMANDMENTS!!

I walk after His commandments believing in power of the Cross and His Holy Spirit.

Isn't Christ's behavior honorable and amazing in the Gospels?

Or do you hate Christ's behavior, mindset in the Gospels?
---Paul9594 on 1/6/10


Lee1538, mima:

U both wrote:

///Who were those whom Christ criticized and condemned the most if not the Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees & Sadducees? ///

Indeed! He condemns them!! Because they promoted the Law and Sabbath the WRONG WAY, BY not ACTUALLY KEEPING HIS COMMANDMENTS but INSTEAD PROMOTED THEIR TRADITIONS, of men!

Just as Lee and u (mima) promote TRADITION OF MEN TO VOID HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Perhaps u will grow in His understanding?
For keeping the commandments in the Spirit of love: Christ!!

Christ walked in perfect obedience to the Law.
Do you hate Christs behavior, mindset in the Gospels?
---Paul9594 on 1/6/10


---Lee1538 this comment,
"Paul9594 - While it is true one knows false prophets by their fruits and that Christ will tell them He never knew them at the Judgment (Matthew 7:20f), who were those whom Christ criticized and condemned the most if not the Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees & Sadducees." Contains one of the clearest teachings I have ever read!!!! I will make an effort to remember it.
---mima on 1/6/10


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Paul9594 - While it is true one knows false prophets by their fruits and that Christ will tell them He never knew them at the Judgment (Matthew 7:20f), who were those whom Christ criticized and condemned the most if not the Sabbath keeping and law promoting Pharisees & Sadducees?

And we have many modern day legalists who will not point to the Jesus & the Cross but to obedience to Torah law for salvation.

We truly need to be careful we do not usurp the right that only God has in judging His childen as only God knows the heart. Romans 14:4

Your accusation against those who distribute Bibles, tracts, etc. in the attempt to lead others to Christ, really shows that you do have no interest in the gospel.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Paul9594 - we would all love to see what kind of twist you use in the following scripture to interpret that we are still under the law.

Galatians 3:23-25 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I ask you this since this seems to be at the crux of our differences.
---Lee1538 on 1/6/10


Dear Mima:
Mat 7:20 By THEIR FRUITS ye shall KNOW them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the >>> WILL <<< of my Father

22 MANY will say to me Lord, Lord, did we not PROPHESY by thy name, and by thy name CAST OUT demons, and by thy name do MANY MIGHTY WORKS?

MANY SURPRISED ON judgment day, present their works of Faith, woman teaching, distributing bibles, tracks.

But they didnt DO the commandments WITH faith in Christ, so then:
...I will I profess unto them, I NEVER knew you: depart from me, ye that work LAWLESSNESS.

Will you consent to Christ's words? Or the WORDS of men?
---Paul9594 on 1/5/10


Mima:

I posted earlier:

MANY SURPRISED ON judgment day, present their works of Faith, woman teaching, distributing bibles, tracks .


Clarification:

MANY SURPRISED ON judgment day, present their works of Faith, woman teaching, >>> MEN or WOMEN << distributing bibles, tracks .

1st posting of this phrase could have been taken that I'm against women distributing tracks,bibles,not so

And women can teach but only if not teaching apostasy of our day, Jeremiah 31:22.

Men still keep headship of church, with the 144,000 of Rev. 7, 14 "men apostles" for the end of the age!! :)
---Paul9594 on 1/5/10


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---Paul9594 I feel certain that I would fall under the heading of being one of the secret agents to you.
But rather than engage in name calling I would like to remind you that David was under the law and that now we are living in a new dispensation, the dispensation of grace. Grace has nothing to do with the law. And the keeping of the law nullifies the grace of God!!!!
Keepers of the law will be judged by the law. And they will fail utterly miserably fail and be judged with their judgment and then be cast down.
As for me I am incapable of keeping the law but the grace of God by his mercies has released me from that obligation. I am depending and counting on God's grace to see me to heaven.
---mima on 1/5/10


Satan's secret agents say that the Law is bondage and done away with

But what does David a man after God's own heart, inspired by the Holy Spirit say:

Psa 19:7 The law of Jehovah is perfect, RESTORING the soul: The testimony of Jehovah is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The precepts of Jehovah are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of Jehovah is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 ...The ordinances of Jehovah are true, [and] righteous altogether.


Have you been told different about the Law/Torah of our Father?

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! if they speak not according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.
---Paul9594 on 1/4/10


\\ Sorry Cluny. I wanted to have you think about how the devil does his bidding not spoonfeed you.
---Jan on 10/19/09\\

You actually think Satan has only two tricks?
---Cluny on 10/21/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Satan deceived Eve by getting her to 'Entertain his Questions of Speculation' able the Truth of God's Word which enticed her Heart away from God & led her into lusting after & seeing the Tree of Knowledge as pleasant to the eye, good for food and desirable to make one wise !!

The lesson to be learned by Eve's deception is revealed by Jesus when He was in the wilderness for forty day.

We're to be "Wise As Serpents & Harmless As Doves' by submitting to God as we resist entertaining the devil's Questions of Speculation about the Truth of God's Word, and devil will flee from us : as he fled from Jesus in the wilderness when Jesus wouldn't entertain his Questions of Speculation !! AMEN
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/21/09


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Karen,
God's word says that Eve was deceived.

3.1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression

And the enemy lied to her and caused her to doubt.
Gen 3:4-6
(Part 1 the lie)And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Part 2 the deception)For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
(Part 3 the fall) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat.
---miche3754 on 10/20/09


counterfeiting and denial
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/20/09


Something else to think about.
He doesn't come at us right in our face.
He does it subtle and without us even knowing.
He even watches us since he can't know what is going on in our minds too. That is why we have to watch what we say when we aren't talking to God.
Like with me, he is trying to use my daughter because he knows I love her so much. But I ain't falling for it. I just rebuke that spirit that is on her and bind it up with God's word. And believe me, the enemy will watch and see what your weekness is and he will use it. That is why we are to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
For his tricks, there are 3 that he will use- See 1st John 2:16
---miche3754 on 10/20/09


Jan...Actually, Satan did not "trick" Eve. She knew God's rule and chose to break it. Did Eve then turn around and "trick" Adam? NOT!!!!
---KarenD on 10/20/09


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What "Satan" are you speaking about, the "fallen angel" "demon of darkness" who isn't found, not once in the entire Bible? Or the "adversary" which is how the word "satan" should have been translated not transliterated as it was into English. Because that "satan" or "adversary" is anyone who keeps you from Christ,(including our own flesh, Rom 7:5, 8:13) The trick the adversary or anti-Christ uses is making you think their such a thing as "Satan" the fallen angel.
---rickey on 10/19/09


God is all about love,truth,and righteousness,and satan is all about lies,deceit,and temptataion.
---tom2 on 10/19/09


Whatever Jan has in mind,
Satan has basically ONE tactic...the lie.
He is the father of lies.

However KarenD DOES make a good point.
Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his OWN LUST, and enticed. (caps mine)

We are quite capable of sinning all on our own. But often Satan aids and abets us in our sin by providing a "justification"...a "reason" why our self-serving acts are'nt REALLY "sin", well... not in this case, anyway! Furthermore, we just couldn't help it! (lies, lies, lies we are quite willing to believe)
---Donna66 on 10/19/09


Sorry Cluny. I wanted to have you think about how the devil does his bidding not spoonfeed you.
---Jan on 10/19/09


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If you think you have some insight to share, jan, why don't you just share it instead of playing guessing games?
---Cluny on 10/19/09


our lord said that we must cucify the flesh,satan best weapon is our own flesh.I agree satan doesn,t use tricks per say,he doesn,t have to,yes he tricks us but only because we are weak in the flesh.Remember satan is a liar,a deceiver,he twist the word of God attempting to convince the mind just as he did with eve.
---tom2 on 10/18/09


Earl: I was asking bout 2 SPECIAL tricks that Satan use to get Christians to sin.

KarenD: I don't think I can agree with you that the devil does not use tricks to make us sin. Was it not a trick/lie when he told Eve that she would not die if she ate of the tree but that her eyes would be opened and she would be wise like Goo? Maybe, LIE is more what I had in mind NOT TRICKS. Sorry!

Trisha: Goood answer.
Pierre: Very good answer.
---Jan on 10/18/09


Satan tricks no one. When we sin, we all chose to sin. Don't blame Satan or anyone else for your sin.
---KarenD on 10/18/09


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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?


1) Satan trick humanity into thinking he doesn't really exist.


2) Satan trick humanity into thinking the Truth of God's Word in Christ Jesus doesn't really exist.



......But there aren't just two tricks Satan uses to cause a person to sin !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/18/09


It seems you know the answer since you limited Satan to two tricks.
Who tells you and how do you know that Satan can make christians sin or any person sin?
Has Satan showed you these tricks?
---earl on 10/18/09


According to Satan THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO BE SAVED IS FOR US TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. Satan has convined many that they can avoid sin by trying to obey God. They try and fail+ conclude that it is impossibe and that God will not require it. The result: more breaking of God's law
Fact: no one can make themselves god enough to earn salvation= doctrine of legalism.
Satan also seeks to convince others that no one can be saved by keeping the law, that we are not justified by keeping the law, but through grace through faith. So keeping the commandments is not important as long as we love Jesus.
The fact/truth is that FAITH always poduces the good WORKS of obedience, and the Bible reminds us that FAITH without WORKS is dead. James 2,26.
---Pierre on 10/18/09


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