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Always Speak Up For God

Are you willing to speak up for God in the face of being persecuted?

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 ---Dottie on 10/23/09
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"Twisting someone's words certainly is not of God. God cannot lie."

If it is not of God why do you do it? If God cannot lie why do you twist the meanings of what He wants to convey?
Your whole answer is correct about some not knowing what others already know, is true. If all you said is true why don't you follow what you teach on your answer?
I find you in every blog against me no matter what topic it is for the soul purpose of trying to make me look bad. But you cannot hide from God. You change the meanings of passages to do what you do. You even use "Ralph" as your name to go after me. Even that you cannot hide from God. If you are a Christian why do you continue?
---MarkV. on 10/30/09


Twisting someone's words certainly is not of God. God cannot lie.

We also must realize people are at different growth levels in their walk with God. Often, we argue, because someone can't see what we see or vise versa, and then make statements like, Well, you are of your father the devil and Satan has blinded your eyes. That kind of comment comes only from carnal babies thinking they know everything the minute they get saved.

Our walk is a life long journey, and we are learning and growing every minute of every day, learning from the Lord every minute new and wonderful things. We learn from HIM personally, through LIFE experiences. Book knowledge is one thing..personal knowledge is quite another!

God never force-feeds!
---kathr4453 on 10/30/09


Patie you wrote 'arguing and name calling is not speaking up for God. Persecution that comes from it is not rewarding nor from God.'

I am not sure what you are referring to but as Disciples of Christ we must oppose those who teach contrary to God's word, or endeavour to undermine it. To criticize their beliefs isn't necessarily name calling.

Being quiet in the face of error is not peace but submission to the exponent of the error. We are to be submissive to God not man. To avoid contradiction so as to be nice is not God's way. See how Christ attacked those who were leading others astray.

Let God's word be true and every man a liar.
---Warwick on 10/29/09


arguing and name calling is not speaking up for God. Persecution that comes from it is not rewarding nor from God.

speaking up for God should be based on Scripture...
My favourite i use is John 3:16
it is a common scripture and good for witnessing.

lets stop attaching personalities on this blog please.... no one should insist on having the last word....
---patie3447 on 10/29/09


I Peter 3:15 "...but sancify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to every one who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence."

Are we willing to speak up for God? We should always be ready, abiding in Christ at all times, praying without ceasing, looking for an opportunity.

I may be wrong, but there seems to be a difference between being ready and willing to "give an acount" and being obnoxious to someone who is not willing nor ready to hear.

In either case, we should have a right attitude "with a good conscience" so that we don't suffer for doing wrong rather than what is right.
---Rod4Him on 10/29/09




If that is your logic, then you should continue to do what pleases you. It pleases me to speak for the Lord anywhere and when He permits me.
---MarkV. on 10/28/09


And how often we blow it when WE get in the way, speaking our own words, doing our own thing, getting IN THE WAY of God, speaking things we were never asked to say or do..thinking OUR WAY is best, when God says MY ways are NOT your ways.

WE need to wait on the LORD and do and say in HIS power and Might..on His timing and not run ahead on our own!

Ever hear teh song:
You gotta KNOW when to Hold um
And KNOW when to fold um



MarkV, actually scripture tells us we are NOT to continue arguing...
---kathr4453 on 10/29/09


Mark ... Mine was intended to be an olive branch!

There are three possible reasons for your continuous and repeated issuing of untruths about me

1 ... That you don't realise that you are telling untruths.
2 ... That you have not read what I actually said
3 ... You deliberately tell the untruths

I don't want to believe it is the last reason, but will if you insist.

It will be good if you dan't answer me any more, or comment on my posts, because that at least will mean you don't utter any more lies, and so you will no longer be breaking the 9th Commandment
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/29/09


Alan, you are everywhere. It will not stop. I wanted you to do what you did when you answered me. I had said, if you want to attack my character go for it. It would only be your opinion, and you did. Which is fine with me. What was not fine is when you attack the character of God to attack me. That was my point. I just answered you on another blog and from today, I will not respond to any of your questions again. It was a mistake to trusted you, that you were ok with me, but only disagreed on one principle, and we were never ok. I don't want to have anything to do with you Alan, if that is what you call a friend I don't want any part of it. I leave you with peace.
---MarkV. on 10/29/09


Lorraine Boettner's writings are 'scripture' but definitely not "Scripture". Do you get that 'Cinco de Mayo'?
Not all men love, nor loved darkness. John 3:20-21: "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." There is stated 2 types of men, not one size fits all Mumbo-Jumbo or Mumbo-Shrimpy. We are born in ignorance, not neccessarily live in it thereafter. Look who receives the Word proper:
Him, "which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."
---Nana on 10/29/09


MarkV ... What an eaxtraordinary response whwn I was trying to be conciliatory!

I had just been trying to understand why you make so many false statements about me.

My suggestion was that maybe you have not realised that you have been telling these untruths, and that you've not fully allowed for there being shades between black & white.

But now you have rejected that "opinion", and so appear to confirm that you have been deliberately lying.

I'm sure you don't mean that!

It might help if you actually read what I said. You will see then that I am trying to reach peace with you.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/29/09




a christian should no nothing but what is written in scripture. always hate sin never hate the sinner. today's christian world has become to tolerant and complacent of sin in the world and there own life. we are becoming lukewarm neither hot or cold. we need to seek righteousness and judge sin where ever it is even in our own lives have no fellowship with darkness rather reprove it.
---jerry on 10/28/09


Kathr, again you didn't like what I wrote, that I will always speak for God. You suggest that is bad. Lets look at your logic Kahtr,

"I believe we all need to be careful WE don't speak FOR God!"

"God never asked us to speak FOR Him. His WORD has done that!"

Taking your advice we should seat at home and say nothing when the Bible is been trashed. When the goverment wants to remove it. When Athiest come into a church and distort it with their heretical views. If that is your logic, then you should continue to do what pleases you. It pleases me to speak for the Lord anywhere and when He permits me.
---MarkV. on 10/28/09


Alan, you are entitled to your opinion of me. Again, it is your choice. One thing I am not, is a whinner or a complainer. I am a 63 year old who has heard many whinners in my life, never a Christian. Always those who feel the world treats them so bad and complain about everything in life. Everyone is ruinning their reputations and they want someone to hear them. They mostly sit in bars complaining, why? Drinking their beers with their buddies, who are probably whinners themselves. Or sit some place where people can hear them. They say they are treated bad and that is why they demand to be heard. Always an excuse to mope around. This people have no guts to stand up and speak for the real Truth. They forgot what Truth is with all the complaining.
---MarkV. on 10/28/09


Am I willing to continue speaking for God? Most definitely. I will never stop.
---MarkV. on 10/26/09

I believe we all need to be careful WE don't speak FOR God! Many are persecuted, or think they are because of self-righteousness. This isn't persecution, it's self infliction!



God speaks THROUGH us! Sometimes just saying NOTHING and just being that light that shines in a dark world, or not run with the world, or give into to gossip with others THAT will bring persecution.

God never asked us to speak FOR Him. His WORD has done that! He wants to speak THROUGH YOU , He wants to LIVE IN YOU.

He's asked us to OBEY Him...that brings persecution without saying a word!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/09


I'm Speaking up!!!

OT election is clearly corporate.

God chose Israel in Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel. By choosing Jacob/Israel, the corporate/covenant representative, God chose his descendants as his covenant people and individuals are elect only as members of the elect people. There's no individual elect in Israel.

Foreigners could join God's chosen people and become part of the elect, demonstrating election was a covenant community (NOW A BODY) and individuals found election through membership in the elect people, (NOW IN CHRIST.)

Election, taught through OT carries out in Pauls teaching that election is not individual, but Corporate, BODY TRUTH.

Those whom God gave to Jesus is the CORPORATE CHURCH.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/09


Mark .. I think I understand why you make untrue accusations ... because you don't realise they are untrue. You think that those who beleive we have FreeWill inevitably want to show mercy on God and think that God is grateful to us. You can't imagine any other alternative view.

You are not alone in this difficulty. There are those who variously think that anyone who:

has a glass of wine must be an alcoholic drunkard
suggests state welfare must be a communist abortioner
opposes welfare must be a heartless exploiter
as a female wears pants must be immoral

They like you need to accept that while the extreme opposite to pitch black is blinding white, there are many greys between, and other colours as well
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/09


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It is not difficult to agree on what God's Word SAYS (especially if people are using the same translation.) It is what God Word MEANS, that often divides people. And when Christians don't know how to disagree without name calling, inuendo and self-rightousness it's not "persecution", but it's not Christian behavior.

1Ti 6:3-4 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness,
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
---Donna on 10/27/09


\\I am convinced that if you are not copping at least some persecution then you are not publically preaching the gospel or defending God's truth.\\

There is a big difference between persecution for Christ's sake and social disapproval for simply being obnoxious in His name.

Too many people don't get the difference.
---Cluny on 10/27/09


I don't think the whole of you post to me could ahve been published, but nevertheless thank you for saying you love me.

But if you do, why do you repeatedly say untrue things about me?

I am actually from the UK. I know it won't prove it to you, but you can go on googlemap, and view my house, if you input the postcode bs91bl

But interpretaing what someone says, we have to remember that there are more colours than black and white.

If you said that white was not your favourite colour, it does not mean your favourite is black. It might be blue, or green, or magenta, or indigo or ... or ...

So when I say that my experience tells me God is not a dictator, it is wrong to assume I mean He is a slave.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/27/09


Alan, I still love you though. Whether you are from the U.K. or not.
---MarkV. on 10/27/09


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I am convinced that if you are not copping at least some persecution then you are not publically preaching the gospel or defending God's truth.

There will always be disagreement between Christians on points of belief. That is normal and understandable.

However there are some who blog, or who have blogged here, whose beliefs are contradicted by God's word. These beliefs also undermine God's word, on vital issues, such as the gospel. To continue with these beliefs, despite what God's word says, is, I believe, the sin of rebellion, the greatest sin.
---Warwick on 10/27/09


MarkV ... I am quite happy to take it!

You regard it as persecution if someone disagrees with you.

But you don't think that falsely attributing beleifs and motives to people, distortion of what they say, accusation of saying things they never said ... is a "form of" persecution. No, it's not persecution, but it is a bit dishonest, don't you think?

And it harms you more than it hurts me.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/27/09


Dottie, there is a person who says he keeps getting harangued and condemned by other genuine believers with the Truth of Scripture and he cannot take it anymore, that its a form of persecution. You figure, that by now, with all the haranging he has gotten, he would start learning the Truth. He forgot he has to make a great effort to learn. Is that a form of persecution you were looking for, or is it just a lot of whinning and crying?
---MarkV. on 10/26/09


yes
i am definately willing to speak up my faith in God and this is what i always do as politely as i can.

I avoid being cantankerous or unnecessarily argumentative since that does not edify listeners

I speak up and lay it to rest and avoid being dragged into any unhealthy arguements though most people try to lay that snare every time we go evangelising
---patie3447 on 10/26/09


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Dottie, even here on line if a genuine believer speaks on behalf of our loving God, you are likely to get harangued and condemned by other "genuine believers" for not believing exactly the same detail.

That's a form of persecution that I have got used to.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/26/09


\\Dottie, even here on line if a genuine believer speaks on behalf of God, you become an enemy to many right away. That is something I found out right away. Am I willing to continue speaking for God? \\

Are these people really speaking on behalf of God?

Or merely speaking on behalf of themselves, and claiming they are speaking for God?

There IS a difference, you know.
---Cluny on 10/26/09


Dottie, even here on line if a genuine believer speaks on behalf of God, you become an enemy to many right away. That is something I found out right away. Am I willing to continue speaking for God? Most definitely. I will never stop. Will I speak for man? Only when I have to explain how rotten (definition 3. morally corrupt) he is before God. That nothing good is found in him. That is when I get people angry. They feel there is something good in them, the free-will to choose Christ while lost with that one little ability of goodness coming from their corrupt hearts. But I tell them what the Bible says, and that is, they are completely rotten.
---MarkV. on 10/26/09


Dottie, Fortunately I have made a conscious decision to submit my will to the Father. I trust that when that time of persecution comes, these scriptures will apply.
"when they bring you unto the synagogues, and [unto] magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy [Spirit] shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say. Settle [it] therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:" Luke 12:11,12>21:14
This is the mindset I embrace concerning any form of what I may consider "persecution". If the Spirit of the Father does not speak through me while facing such, I will remain in silent prayer.
---josef on 10/24/09


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If God was persecuted for us, should we not return the gratitude?
---Eloy on 10/24/09


I would hope so... but it depends on what you mean by "persecuted". Oh, in this country, one can suffer some social ostracism. We are to expect that.

Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake."
John 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

But in many countries Christians lose their homes, their families, their livelihoods, their health (and perhaps their lives) due to their faith.
---Donna66 on 10/23/09


Who is being persecuted? God? God can take care of Himself.

Or are you interpreting "being persecuted" as social friction for being obnoxious in the name of Jesus?
---Cluny on 10/23/09


You got to speak up & canNot be ashamed to do so. Guilty of love in the first degree to bid God's service what A True Child of God is supposed to do.
---Lawrence on 10/23/09


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