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Forced Into Good Works

Are we to force ourselves to do good works or are good works the result increased faith and it is not we who are doing them but Him through us?

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"God commands us to grap ahold of all He has to offer, and shows you that without Him you are nothing but a vessel of clay for dishonor."
---MarkV. on 11/20/09
Quite the contrary,
2 Timothy 2:21: "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work."
"If a man therefore purge himself from these..."
"If a man therefore purge himself from these..."
"If a man therefore purge himself from these..."
---Nana on 11/21/09


There is no one good of himself for everything good comes from above, Righteousness come from Christ, holiness comes from God. What does God command us? to be Holy, to be righeous, to be good, and where do we get all of them, from God. No one is holy of himself, no one righteous of himself, no one is good of himself. It all comes from God. If anything is not of faith, it is sin. God commands us to grap ahold of all He has to offer, and shows you that without Him you are nothing but a vessel of clay for dishonor.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09


With natural behavior there is no forcing: either a person is naturally good, or else a person is naturally not good. He Commands us, Be Good, Be Holy, Be Righteous, and he would not command you if it were not possible for you to do. Like a parent telling little Johnny or little Janie, "Be Good!" So the child heeds their parent becasue they know that it would be foolish to say, "Papa and Momma, I cannot be good because I am not able to be good, I can only be bad because you made me this way." No, the child will not say this, because then they know they will be judged harshly or punished with some pain for, 1- disobeying, and 2- blaming the parent for their own disobedience.
---Eloy on 11/19/09


Mt12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

God makes the bad tree good (also see Isa 55:13)

Lu22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

As we grow in grace and are converted to the truth we tend to become better Christians.
---trey on 11/18/09


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As a general rule I pray before doing much of anything. Because, I need God's help, His strength and His power. It is God working through us. Lets give Him all the praise and the glory, and the credit.
---catherine on 10/29/09


we should task ourselves to doing what is right

however we should know that even the desire to do good works comes from the Father and the ability to do it also comes from Him.

It doesn't mean we should not make the effort
---patie3447 on 10/29/09


Miche, that was a great answer. Only through Christ can we do works that glorify Him, for all good things come from above. Peace
---MarkV. on 10/29/09


Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
---Bob on 10/26/09


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Today, are God's people with faith in the power of the Holy Spirit, Christ, walking to be like the living example of Christ? He has the manners and mindset of the Torah/law!!

Or are God's people a living example of a Torah less, lawless false Christ?

Do Christians ask themselves in situations of their life, what would Christ do?

Since your savior was the Living Torah, would He not respond to the situations of life according to the mindset and manners of Torah?

Dear friend do you try to deal with life situations, even as He did? Or has the law being done away with, because of bad teachers?

What is the impact to your life for being lawless? Please repent or else Matthew 7:21
---Paul9594 on 10/26/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, There's no 'Forcing' of anything Matt.12:35, b/c from the abundance of the Heart our mouth speaks and where the Heart is Drawn the body shall soon follow!

The Path of the Just is as a Shining Light, Shining more & more unto that Perfect Day. While the way of the wicked is as darkness, not knowing what they stumble at that's defiling them : which is all that proceeds from their evil heart.

It's our Heart that's immediately changed upon accepting Jesus as our Lord & Savior. The Just having Ears which Hear, attend to God's Drawing Spirit & His Word is Life unto them & Health to their flesh b/c it's always in the midst of their Hearts & doesn't depart from before their Eyes.
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/26/09


We are to do the "works of God" (John 6:28 and 9:3) by letting them be "manifest in" us so that we simply rest/relax inside Jesus's body as a spirit creation (new creation). Now, JESUS is our sabbath rest (our sanctuary, no more sabbath DAY, Luke 6:5). In their lifetime, the Israelites never had Jesus as their sabbath rest...

Hebrews 4:3
"'They shall never enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world".

The goodness that we do should be from OUR spirit/countenance and then our spirit will be compatible with God's spirit...

Philemon 1:14
"of your own free will"....(the kingdom must first be INNER).


Verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 10/26/09


Sometimes, we have to make a deliberate choice and act of will to do what is right, even if our flesh is repulsed by the idea--such as performing an act of charity for someone who has wronged us.

Is this "forcing ourselves?" Then, yes, sometimes we have to out of obedience to Jesus.

Matthew 25 does NOT say anywhere, "I was hungry, naked, homeless, thirsty, sick, or imprisoned, and I relieved My own wants through you," or "...And I make you take care of Me."

Rather, it says, "I was hungry, and YOU fed Me." (Apply the rest, changing verbs as needed.)
---Cluny on 10/26/09


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well for one thing, the catholic church associate works with faith.

remember the verse

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.
---mike on 10/26/09


Good works are the result of increased Faith and it is not we who are doing them but Christ working through us who does them.
We can do nothing without Christ.
And all things are possible with Christ.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


No, we shouldn't force ourselves to be peaceful and just to other people (Godly), nor should we force ourselves to love God.

Many people have always preferred to have a "book devotion" instead of a 'love devotion' even though GOD IS LOVE(the "GREATEST of these", 1 Corinthians 13:13).

Before Jesus was glorified (John 7:39), people still used books in their attempt to be Godly, but now our spirit is to be a loving one (non violent....PEACE)...

Matthew 11:12
"until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force" (inner kingdom).

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT that we are children of God".
---more_excellent_way on 10/25/09


"...are good works the result increased faith and it is not we who are doing them but Him through us?" Exactly.
We can not "do" good works, for there is none good but God, we simply show forth the good works of the Father. For without Him we could do nothing. In the words of Jesus "Many good works have I shewed you from my Father. Therefore Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." "Arise, shine, for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee." And "if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
---Josef on 10/25/09


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