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Most Dangerous Preacher

Based on what is written in the following scriptures, Acts 8:20, Romans 1:25, 1 Timothy 6:6-10, and 2 Peter Chapter Two, who would you say are the MOST DANGEROUS preachers / teachers? Also what was it about them which raised a red flag for you?

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MOST DANGEROUS preachers/teachers: They are men & women who manipulate, intimidate & dominate Church flocks. They rant & rave -- are full of mesmerizing theatrics & drama. These people are usually articulate of speech & have winsome personalities. They flip Scripture to fit their personal agendas. Rather than plainly explaining (exposing) the Word of God (the Bible) & allowing God to speak to the hearts of hearers, they "hard sell" & are bent on convincing rather than allowing the Holy Spirit to woe & gently persuade. False prophets make merchandise of the flock.
---Leon on 10/31/09


Jerry said..."not eternal life of pain."

CHRIST said: They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matt:13:42

CHRIST SAID: "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." MATT: 25.46.

I can list several hundred more.

So either Jesus is a liar or Jerry is.
---Pastor_Jim on 10/31/09


Pastor Jim, my answer to Geraldine was not to say that your answers were wrong in anyway. If it sounded that way I am sorry. I completely agree with you on this topic of doctrine and I am sure others don't, those who believe in soul sleep and people separated from God after death, which would be a comfort to those who are separated already.
Also, I do believe there is others who don't want to see the other side of mercy, "Justice." And have been happy with Christ in their lives the way they have for many reasons. We sure don't know the reasons for many. But you are correct, we should put the Truth down for we don't know who the word is intended to today or tomorrow.
---MarkV. on 10/31/09


Geraldine: I think that you are doing a marvelous job of defending the gospel against the attacks of the self-appointed biblio-intelligensia.

Point 1.

Jesus was indeed gentle to the common folks like you and me. It was the scribes and the pharisees that He yelled at. You know, the self-important, "I'm smarter than you are" bunch.

Point 2.

You are correct that the Bible does not teach eternal torture for the wicked. The wages of sin is DEATH - not eternal life of pain.
---jerry6593 on 10/31/09


Here are some statements from people who claim to be Mighty and Annointed Men of God.

"If you don't send me your money, I am going to place a curse on you." Benny Hinn.

"The people of God are to be walking in darkness." T.D. Jakes.

"Jesus did not die on the cross because Jesus commited suicide." Frederick K.C. Price.

"I am God." Kenneth Copeland.

"God can't do anything here on earth unless we give God permission, because God is illegal on earth." Myles Monroe.

"If anyone goes against me they are going against the Lord, because I am the Lord of this church." Eddie L. Long.

It is very evident that Satan is their God.
---Rob on 10/31/09




I speak about the wrath of God concerning the UNSAVED (as I stated several times). So if you are saved why does that offend you?
---Pastor_Jim on 10/31/09


"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:31)

But Jesus is the One "who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return, when He suffered, did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously," (1 Peter 2:23) So, I understand Jesus is not treatening us with Hell, but wants us to obey Him because we love Him and freely desire to care for and do good to any and all people > "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46) > so, we will be judged about if and how we have loved.

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29) Will God be "fire" burning those who have been trashy in selfish loving?
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/30/09


jody3965: "The Holy Spirit teaches and leads us when we diligently seek the Lord. The Bible teaches that we actually need no man to teach us as the Spirit will teach each man/neighbor."

The bible says that there will be teachers, "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." 1 Corinthians 12:28

Many of these teachers today are weak and therefore, teaching weak and false doctrine.
---Steveng on 10/30/09


your own conscience? malachi 2:7-8
for the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, & men should seek instruction from his mouth FOR HE IS THE MESSENGER OF GOD. but as for you you have turned aside from the way & have caused many to stumble by the instruction.
didn't christ rebuke the pharisees & they still refuse to see the grace & love of god.
and even before the prodigal son repented the father ran & showed his love & compassion. I have learned plenty from the bible that a pastor did not teach me. and when I found the truth it did set me free.
---mike on 10/30/09


to geraldine

god says that he does not look the outside of a person but the inside. it is hard for me to share verses in the bible that would help those who are in need without judging them. I too was treated by a pastor who pointed to sin just because I asked him a question regarding self confidence & was in bondage. a topic or issue is very complex & life is complex. that is why christ was healing, showing the love of god because he understood what people are going through.
---mike on 10/30/09




\\Then it is in your OWN conscious and nowhere else (see John3:20). I shined the light on you and it exposes things you do not want God to see.\\

Pastor Jim, your words would carry more weight if you knew the difference between "conscience" and "conscious", or the prinicpal parts of the irregular verb "shine".

Writing clearly means thinking clearly, and one of the gifts of God is a sound mind.
---Cluny on 10/30/09


I did not impose any rules or laws on anyone. I simply posted. So if there is any stumbling block or guilt. Then it is in your OWN conscious and nowhere else (see John3:20). I shined the light on you and it exposes things you do not want God to see. God does not serve you or your ego. So if the other half of God love (wrath) offend you or is something you deny, then indeed you have no fear of God, but he only exist to serve you. With no rules.. Do you see this in scripture, or is God only your genie. Note also I clearly spoke of the unsaved vs. the saved. Prodigal son repented and was saved. So which one are you? since my post has caused you such grieve? Is God here to accommodate you or are you here to serve Him. You decide.
---Pastor_JIm on 10/30/09


Geraldine, hang around, we need your humor and input.

Jim, I am curious. How do you justify calling yourself "pastor," and I assume you expect others to call you "pastor."

The Bible says to call no one "teacher, rabbi." Pastor would come under that definition. You aren't the only one to do it as it is quite common, but I have never asked a "pastor" how they justify it.

Although, I have discussed the issue with a good friend who is a "pastor," and is a professor at a Bible College. He agrees with me, but he still lets people call him that.
---Rod4Him on 10/30/09


Geraldine, I hope you keep loving Christ the way you do. I am glad to hear you have known Christ for a long time. You have to excuse us sometimes for the way we answer not understanding who is on the other side of the answers. I remember telling someone, I believe it was Darline, that we don't know who is on the other side and if we did in person we wouldn't say what we do. Don't stop writing, thanks for letting us know who you are. Blessings to you.
---MarkV. on 10/30/09


to pastor jim

christ was not gentle with the pharisees & other religious people who causes stumbling in people's lives. he was angry at the pharisees & told them that their teachings are causing people difficulty in knowing the love of god. one example is the healing on the sabbath & a synagogue leader said that it is unlawful to heal on the sabbath but christ said that this woman was suffering for 18 years. there plenty of cases like that, the pharisees, synagogue leaders would point to sin right away when christ has another answer to man's suffering.
---mike on 10/30/09


to pastor jim

'god is at war with you'

in corinthians, if god is love, then god is patient, kind, not selfish,...

and in the parable of the prodigal son, christ described god as a father who is waiting for his son to change his decision & when he saw him, he ran towards him & showed his compassion & love.
---mike on 10/30/09


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You got me, Pastor Jim! I will make this my last blog, and fess up. I am eighty years old. I accepted Christ decades ago in a young people's revival in a town named Maud. My Daddy was a preacher. My "sinful lifestyle" is that I sometimes forget to take birdseed out to the back yard, and I worry that a government panel will decide when I die. You keep on setting people straight, and I will keep on loving God the best way I know how. Don't cry for me--who I am is who I want to be. I love my lot! Goodbye and God bless you.
---Geraldine on 10/30/09


Geraldine, I sense you're a new Christian and are involved in some sinful lifestyle. You are imposing your own self-righteousness over Gods. Saul attempted this as well. God told him to slaughter "men, woman, child,infants...(1Sam15:3). God remove Saul & had Samuel chop King Agag in pieces(read 1Sam:15). The bible is full of people being chopped up, Intestines gushing out, worms, pestilence and many horrifying acts of God. When you say it is separation from God, you're right and that separation from God at Judgment Day will be the most horrific wrath of them all. "I will give you Peace" means a peace treaty. For God is at war with you. Being a member in Gods family is not easy street. Just ask the Apostles, martyrs.
---Pastor_Jim on 10/30/09


The Holy Spirit teaches and leads us when we diligently seek the Lord. The Bible teaches that we actually need no man to teach us as the Spirit will teach each man/neighbor. This is not to say that we should isolate and not listen to those who are anointed to teach/preach. But it does mean that each person has the capacity to access Gods wisdom and is ultimately responsible before God and only to God. In the end, false teachers/preachers will be judged but by the same token, each Christian will be held responsible and cannot use excuses of false teachers to escape lack of knowledge/wisdom.
---jody3965 on 10/30/09


So let me repeat it to you again
"YOU DON'T WANT TO MEET HIM IF YOU ARE NOT SAVED"

There is a reason it is called "Judgement Day".
---PASTOR_JIM on 10/30/09


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PASTOR JIM and KarenD: I am greatly relieved that bloggers can only throw words, not stones, or I would be running for safety from you two! Since you both are so informed about the Bible, check out the many differences cited between knowledge and wisdom. About Hell, my believing it is being absent from God rather than being eternal literal burning: what I believe about it made it possible for me to accept Christ in Love, not just in Fear.
---Geraldine on 10/30/09


Pastor Jim, great words of wisdom you speak concerning hell. People have minimized hell to be a place where a person just dies, no pain, or separated from God, that would make those who are separated from God already feel very good. Thats all they wanted anyway to be separated from God. So they have nothing to fear but fear itself, but not fear from God. God is a God of love and mercy, but also a God of justice. He will be just when He punishes those who rebelled against Him. And as I said before, there will be no cruelty there, for cruelty is inflicting a worse punishment then someone deserves and God is never cruel.
---MarkV. on 10/30/09


\\You dont want to meet him if you are unsaved..\\

As this same Jesus said, "Out of your own mouth shall you be condemned, and out of your own mouth justified."

A word to the wise, Pastor Jim.
---Cluny on 10/29/09


Isn't it funny how one statement can pretty well tell you where a person is coming from. Like when someone says that the meaning of Hell has been misinterpreted.
---KarenD on 10/29/09


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An unsaved preacher who has become corrupt is more dangerous than any unsaved corrupt politician [religious]. There has been times when, what the fake preacher said out of his mouth, would be an out and out lie. For example: one preacher, had the gall to tell the congregation, "not everyone who goes to heaven will see God's face. I was thinking when I get to heaven, I really want to see God's face. I was rather upset about it. The preacher said, "some would be in one part of heaven, rest of us Saints would be in another part of heaven". I was wondering what part God would be in!.... I have looked into the eyes of Satan's preacher, walked away. an awful feeling would shoot through me. Something about the eyes, man.
---catherine on 10/29/09


Geraldine obviously you are totally ignorant of the bible with a statement like this...
"Hell has been misinterpreted in the Bible, and the real meaning of it has no connection with eternal, living agony".
Or you are living in complete denial of the truth. In this case ignorance in not bliss. Here are some references in scripture. There are many many descriptions of Hell in the bible. None are like your description. Look up. MATT 5:22, 18:8, 25:4 JAMES 3:6.. thousands more. And your "gentle" Jesus he is describe in REV 19:11-19. Not a very nice guy then is he? You dont want to meet him if you are unsaved.. casting the wicked in the Lake of eternal fire. Never play games with fire, especially when it is the word of God!
---PASTOR_JIM on 10/29/09


KarenD: Yes, at Judgment the same gentle Jesus will judge how we each chose to use our God's-Image free will while we lived. Those who chose to "build up treasures on earth" will realize that party is over, and they will be building nothing from that point. Those who chose to "build up treasures in Heaven" will hear "well done" and continue. The word Hell rears its ugly head in discussions such as this. I believe much about Hell has been misinterpreted in the Bible, and the real meaning of it has no connection with eternal, living agony, but is simply filling the choice of some to be separate from God.
---Geraldine on 10/29/09


Cluny ... "If you're wondering if Benedict XVI has ever taught that the Virgin Mary was nearly equal with God, he has not"

I never though he had.

But if you read the last line of your post of 10/28, you will see that you said he had taught that .... what was printed was "Benedict XVI has ever taught that"

I think an "n" was missing!
---alan8566_0f_uk on 10/29/09


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// Is it a "gentle" Jesus who will judge people on judgment day? //

No, Karen. It is not. However, judgement day is not here yet.
When it does come, He, and He alone, has the authority to judge men.
---Donna66 on 10/29/09


another dangerous preacher is Pat robertson
he makes prediction of the coming year that does not happen.
he has 100s of millions of dollars coming in & will use the same tactics of guilt shame, blame & fear.
---mike on 10/29/09


Is it a "gentle" Jesus who will judge people on judgment day?
---KarenD on 10/29/09


\\I am not attacking your position with regards to papal infalliability. my questions are merely
why is there mary & why is she worshipped?\\

Actually, you're not attacking my position at all, because I'm not a Roman Catholic, as I've said repeatedly.

You're not attacking the Roman Catholics' position on the matter either, because what you are claiming is NOT what they believe.

And Mary has never been worshipped with the LATREIA owed to God alone. So that's another way you're attacking a straw man.
---Cluny on 10/29/09


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Steveng, I think I followed your thinking, however, as believers we are to restore one another in a spirit of gentleness.

To embrace a "Biblical view," that we get attack anyone who disagrees with us is dangerous, if not heresy.

How are people to know who the believers are? They see the love for one another.

Christ died while we were yet sinners.

Jesus didn't bring peace...really. To the people who crucified Christ, Jesus said, "Forgive them for they know not what they do."

Where's the love for the brethern?
---Rod4Him on 10/28/09


to cluny

I am not attacking your position with regards to papal infalliability. my questions are merely
why is there mary & why is she worshipped?
why are there idols in the catholic church?
this violates the 2nd? commandment of you shall not worship any gods before me?
is there really purgatory? these are just valid questions.
these questions in relation to the papacy, how can the pope be questioned regarding these teachings if he is not wrong?
---mike on 10/28/09


\\ Cluny ... Is the last line of your post correctly printed?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/09\\

If you're wondering if Benedict XVI has ever taught that the Virgin Mary was nearly equal with God, he has not.

If you think he has done so, please give the appropriate citiation from a primary source--not what someone else CLAIMS he said.
---Cluny on 10/28/09


1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spritually appraised. Any pastor, preacher, teacher, etc.. who is not called by God and/or born again of the Spirit is just a natural man using his own understanding and/or what he learned in seminary school. Everything they teach which contradicts the Word of God can create confusion within their congregations.
---Bob on 10/28/09


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RICK WARREN AND JOEL OLSTEEN...These two Beasts of Satan alone have deceived more so-called Christian. However, The Elect are never deceived. They used the Heresy of Pre-trib Rapture (started by a occultist witch named Margaret Mac Donald(Google it)to lure the pseudo Christian bourgeoise who want the comfort of knowing (unlike all the Christian in the Bible)they will get a pass. That is how mega churches work. They also started the Pseudo Christian Stores of self help for better life on Earth. WHY? All for Power, Fame and Money! (Sounds like Satan)
---JIM on 10/28/09


Mike "who is defining those conditions that the pope is free from error."

Rome. Papal Infallibility has it's limitation, and even a Roman Pope can err. In fact, if you study Early Church History, a few Popes was excommunicated for heresy, such as Roman Pope Honorius I, reigned from 625-638 AD. A Roman Church still believes that theRoman Pope can be excommunicated. There are five conditions that need to meant for Papal Infallibility. Research them. Now, I do not believe in Papal Infallibility, just pointing out your error in previous posts.

"so since the pope is preaching that mary is nearly equal with god, then that is not erroneous?"

The current Roman Pope doesn't.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/28/09


Rod4Him: "Geraldine, I agree with your statement, "I wish the bloggers on this site would all put on a yoke of gentleness when they write.""

There are times when you have to apply a little tough love. When various verse say one thing, why do chrisitans on these blog interpret it another way? Even with the shortest verse in the bible, "he wept," there are as many interpretations as there are stars in the sky. For instance, many say it was leteral and many say it was spiritual. Go figure.

Besides, Jesus came not to bring peace, but..."
---Steveng on 10/28/09


Cluny ... Is the last line of your post correctly printed?
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/28/09


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\\ to cluny - part 1
'Papal infallibility simply means that under certain very limited and carefully defined conditions, on matters of faith and morals, the pope is FREE FROM ERROR'

who is defining those conditions that the pope is free from error.//

If you really WANT to know what Vatican I taught about papal infallibility (instead of just attacking your erroneous interpretation of it), you can look it up for yourself.


??...
so since the pope is preaching that mary is nearly equal with god, then that is not erroneous? ... \\

Benedict XVI has ever taught that, and you are lying when you say he has.
---Cluny on 10/28/09


KarenD: If you check my response to this blog on 10-26, I indicated Joel Osteen uses SLY gentleness to hook people's greed. There is a difference between using gentleness as a weapon and feeling it as a good Samaritan. You have heard "buck up", "man up", "soldier up", I believe Jesus asks us to "gentle up" to carry His message of giving, not getting.
---Geraldine on 10/28/09


Geraldine...At the risk of sounding like I am not gentle, YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO JOEL OSTEEN TOO MUCH.
---KarenD on 10/28/09


to cluny - part 1
'Papal infallibility simply means that under certain very limited and carefully defined conditions, on matters of faith and morals, the pope is FREE FROM ERROR'

who is defining those conditions that the pope is free from error.
can the pope forgive sins too?
so since the pope is preaching that mary is nearly equal with god, then that is not erroneous? mary is an instrument to fulfill the will of god.
paul did not preach mary during his missions. he focused on christ, his death & resurrection for our sins.
what about idols like st. peter, mary & other 'saints'.
is there really purgatory? and the pope is free from error on those issues?
---mike on 10/28/09


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Geraldine, I agree with your statement, "I wish the bloggers on this site would all put on a yoke of gentleness when they write."

With the written word, it is challenging to communicate without a judgemental attitude unmeaningly coming across.

However, if we are living in Christ, He is the vine we are the branches, we should be loving one another in our comments.

Can one know correct teachings and not be abiding in Christ?
---Rod4Him on 10/28/09


Hi, Karen > Jesus says, "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me,

for I am gentle and lowly in heart,

and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)
Also, I consider > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) And "rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4) The earlier King James Bible says "meek" instead of "gentle".

You can project your voice to a lot of people, and have tandem speakers, maybe like Moses speaking to millions(?) of Israelites in the wilderness.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/28/09


KarenD: Glad you asked where does Jesus say He is gentle. Check Matthew 11:28-30: "Come unto Me all ye who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest....Take my yoke upon you and learn of Me.....for I am gentle, meek, humble, lowly in heart....you will find rest for your souls." Translations vary the "gentle" word, but the meaning is clear. Not pointing a finger at you, but I wish the bloggers on this site would all put on a yoke of gentleness when they write.
---Geraldine on 10/28/09


\\ to cluny

then why does he include Mary, purgatory, indulgences, worship of idols (statues of St. peter, Mary) praying the rosary?

and I understand that the pope is infalliable? no human being is not perfect.\\

This is called a straw-man argument.

1. Papal infalliblity has NEVER meant impeccable, that is incapable of sin, much less cannot err in a merely prudential decision.

2. Papal infallibility simply means that under certain very limited and carefully defined conditions, on matters of faith and morals, the pope is FREE FROM ERROR. As you can see, it's negative, not positive.

3. There's no agreement as to which statements are infallible.
---Cluny on 10/27/09


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The most dangerous preachers are those who get religon and politics mixed, I listen to a lot of christian radio. and lately they are just giving a vineer of gospel over a lot of gop politics. lets get back to the Adrian Rogers, J.Vernon Mcgee. preaching the bible and teaching the truth.
---albert on 10/27/09


Geraldine...Where is the scripture where Jesus called himself gentle?
---KarenD on 10/27/09


to cluny

then why does he include Mary, purgatory, indulgences, worship of idols (statues of St. peter, Mary) praying the rosary?

and I understand that the pope is infalliable? no human being is not perfect.

why are there multiple ways to salvation?
is purgatory biblical? bec. the bible says that after life, judgement.

can a pope forgive sins? ?????

if I remember, the sabbath (which is saturday) was changed to sunday.

if this are the teachings of the RCC then where did it come from.

Paul was preaching the good news. he did not preach mary, purgatory, indulgences or the rosary.
---mike on 10/27/09


Don't use the ways of man to figure how Jesus spoke to over 5,000 people. He spoke and the people listened the same way God spoke to all the godly people in the OT using a supernatural sound system - either audibly or through the heart. Nothing is impossible with God.
---Steveng on 10/27/09


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When Jesus spoke to multitudes, he could have used natural amphitheaters in the hills around Galilee.

Some of these are amazing.
---Rod4Him on 10/27/09


\\christ is the one who died for our sins a gift from god, repentance of sin
and not other ways to salvation.
---mike on 10/27/09\\

Which is EXACTLY what the Pope preches and writes.

His words are available on line.
---Cluny on 10/27/09


KarenD: Jesus called himself "gentle" and I would love to have heard and seen the way he perhaps miraculously caused his message to the 5000 to be received in the full gentleness of the meaning of "blessed are the pure in heart". But the sound systems of today give current preachers no excuse to sound like roaring lions.
---Geraldine on 10/27/09


I can't picture Jesus preaching to over 5000 people without yelling. There were no sound systems back then.
---KarenD on 10/27/09


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All denominational "church" preachers are red flags.

They each teach the same traditions, ways of living, and interpretations ...---Steveng on 10/26/09

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

I used to think this scripture was the world.....It is roundabout....the Church walking with world. One cannot warn someone who is in a group to get out of the group. They assume the group collectively has more protection/intel by weight of numbers.

All one can do is raise a sign/point/yell ...an if drawn by Lord.... might catch someones attention long enough to cause a pause...in the journey.
---Trav on 10/27/09


the pope preach Mary, idolatry, purgatory, indulgences, and the sabbath should be saturday not sunday.

and the pope claims to be infalliable. that's dangerous.



christ is the one who died for our sins a gift from god, repentance of sin
and not other ways to salvation.
---mike on 10/27/09


\\But, I find no scripture to back your assumption that Jesus did not move around when HE preached.\\

Is there any scripture to back up the opposite assumption--that He DID move around?

Actually, synagogue protocol at that time required that the preacher SIT--a custom followed in Christian worship for several hundred years.
---Cluny on 10/26/09


All denominational "church" preachers are red flags.

They each teach the same traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible of their particular denomination generation after generation for the past several hundred years. Ask a preacher from any denomination where they get their sermons and they will say from "headquarters," or they have certain guidelines from "headquarters." A protestant church will never allow a catholic priest to preside over their congregation. Denominational "churches" will certainly not allow the two prophets to preside over their congregation because the prophets don't conform to any denominational "church" doctrines.
---Steveng on 10/26/09


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The most dangerous group is the Daystar and TBN Television Networks.

They promote, cater to, and provide and venue for FALSE TEACHERS.

An example are those who tell people to SOW A SEED to their misnistry or too send a LOVE OFFERING. This is a perfect example of EXCHANGING THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR A LIE.

Also they tell people to buy and read their book, along with buying their tapes, CD's, abd DVD's, instead of taking the needed time to read and study GOD'S WORD, THE BIBLE.
---Rob on 10/26/09


The most dangerous group is the Daystar and TBN Television Networks.

They promote, cater to, and provide and venue for FALSE TEACHERS.

An example are those who tell people to SOW A SEED to their misnistry or too send a LOVE OFFERING. This is a perfect example of EXCHANGING THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR A LIE.

Also they tell people to buy and read their book, along with buying their tapes, CD's, abd DVD's, instead of taking the needed time to read and study GOD'S WORD, THE BIBLE.
---Rob on 10/26/09


KarenD: Read Jesus' Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, and try to picture Jesus, seated, yelling these words at the people. And these words don't sound like he was "tickling ears" because of course He was preaching Truth. And walking while preaching is okay, just not walking in a way that draws attention to the speaker himself instead of what he is saying.
---Geraldine on 10/26/09


Geraldine, how is it that you know how Jesus spoke and moved around? I haven't been able to locate those scriptures in my Bible. I do know that he threw the money changers out of the temple, so I'm pretty certain that HE didn't speak softly to them. But, I find no scripture to back your assumption that Jesus did not move around when HE preached. I'd worry more about a soft-spoken preacher who tickles the ears than one who preaches fire and brimstone. Those preachers who are only preaching what makes the people feel good are the ones we need to worry about.
---KarenD on 10/26/09


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please we are not accusers of the brethren

You may mention a name but be sure God agrees with you

lets not create a platform for the devil to sneak in and use our prejudice to falsely accuse anointed people

name calling/ profiling is not good for us

Who are we to judge someone else's servant?

Do take what ever you read about anointed people on this topic with a pinch of salt.... same may have their own personal reasons for accusing the brethren. thank you cheers
---patie3447 on 10/26/09


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---mike on 10/26/09\\

What exactly, based on these 4 passages, is the Pope (I assume you mean Benedict XVI) saying that's wrong, mike?

Can you be specific?

Or are you just firing at him because he's the Pope?
---Cluny on 10/26/09


Benny Hinn
copeland
Pat robertson
pope
---mike on 10/26/09


Cluny, it was limited to these four passages because of time and space. It would take days, if not weeks to share all of the scriptures concerning false teachers.
---Rob on 10/26/09


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Trin-Ministers that are after Vast-Numbers for their congregations, after your money for their fleshly lusts, MORE than caring for your soul.
---Lawrence on 10/26/09


Here is a red light story for you.
A friend of mine was helping with a "team challenge project" when a man who he did not know arrived. Immediately my friend feeled repulsed by the man, so strong was this repulsion that my friend left the meeting. Later upon asking my friend found that this man was the pastor of one of the Megan churches in the community. I know two other people who have experienced the same in this man's presence. Talk about red flags!!
---mima on 10/26/09


Listen, and watch, to see whether the preacher speaks and acts like Jesus. Jesus did not yell his teachings, or strut and move in ways that detracted from the message. One notable scene of Jesus angry was overturning the MONEY changers tables in the temple. Of course there are preachers who can be softspoken and sly at the same time if their messages play to the listeners' greed instead of compassion, example Joel Osteen.
---Geraldine on 10/26/09


I have always found it to be very interesting that on a number of occasions jesus told someone who was wealthy to sell,or give away all they had and follow him,most of whom didn,t do it.preachers like frederick price, and there are many more whos income,and investments make them very wealthy.Only God knows who they are really serving.
---tom2 on 10/26/09


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I,ll tell you something I heard today which scares me,PERSONAL SPIRITUAL TRAINER,someone who for money, which applies to many prechers today,delivers the message.I had no idea,this had to start in california,beverly hills.
---tom2 on 10/26/09


Why are you limiting your criteria to these 4 passages?
---Cluny on 10/26/09


Here in the Bahamas,corrupt Dr. Myles Munroe is one. His church has had a number of suicides in the last year & a half. I knew them & was almost one of them. I dreaded going to church at years' end. If you are not making more money than you did last year, etc., you are not maximizing your potential. Many other preachers here & in other third world nations have stopped preaching the gospel for this message, it brings in the business class. He did not want me in his church because I worked for years in a convenient store. They overlook sin if you are successful. Sin is rampant! Sex,drugs,ill gotten money even rape is tolerated & excused.
---Leona on 10/26/09


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