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Sin Keep You From God

Many here believe that if you sin after you receive salvation, it is already covered by Christ. With that being said, Does sin seperate you from God AFTER you are saved?

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A-men Nana. The problem with alot of nonChristians and unsaved ministers who are not following Christ, is that they wrongly pick and choose verses out of context to support their false doctrines and to support their sin.
---Eloy on 11/5/09


What are we to do with 1 John 1:6,7?
How about 1 John 2:6, 2:24, 2:29?
1 John 3:6?
Are the Scriptures made of rubber that they be so stretched, Lele?
---Nana on 11/4/09


Lee, not all whom accept Christ stay in Christ, for many backslide into sin and fall from grace and they leave Christ to live in sin and never repent again back to the Lord but are condemned. The answer is not accepting Christ, but the answer is obeying Christ and staying with Christ up to the end. Just as marriage to a spouse is not the whole answer, but the staying married is the way.
---Eloy on 11/5/09


Kathr, you are really going bannana's. I said,
"You compromise the Trinity when you say that the Father and the Son are the same "Person," when in fact the Trinity is three Persons"
Who is the Trinity? The Godhead, in three Persons.". The Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons.
and what is your agrument?

"MarkV, the trinity is GOD in three persons...not three individual persons.
Not 1/3 Father or 1/3 Son and 1/3 Holy Spirit either."


Again, in order to find something wrong you twisted Truth and turned it around with your 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 logic. From where does your corrupt mind come out with this idea's?
---MarkV. on 11/4/09


Eloy, MarkV,

Here's the problem, In the OT God was not FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit.

So when we look at it through NT Eyes, the FATHER is the Father in relation to the Son, His begotten son.

In the OT we have GOD in three persons.

In the OT no one referred to God or Prayed to God by saying Father.

So, with that there was no Eternal Son with the father in the OT.

The word was with God and the word was God. So this eternal Father, eternal Son thing is not biblical to begin with!

OUR relationship to God NOW is we call Him Father because we are IN THE SON..begotten sons through Jesus Christ..we cal God ABBA FATHER...not so in the OT!!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/09




eloy - **that is a common false doctrine, because only the repentant are forgiven.

When the believer comes to Christ and is saved, that person is placed in Christ. His salvation is totally by grace alone and the righteousness that is of Christ is credited to him.

If you say that only those who are without sin will be saved, then what do you do with 1 John 1:8?

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (note the present tense!)

Any casual reading of the life of the saints should reveal to you that they often grieved greatly because of their sin.
---Lee1538 on 11/4/09


You compromise the Trinity when you say that the Father and the Son are the same "Person," when in fact the Trinity is three Persons, MarkV...

MarkV, the trinity is GOD in three persons...not three individual persons.
Not 1/3 Father or 1/3 Son and 1/3 Holy Spirit either.

That is cult. Those who believe in three individual persons, being taught the eternal son doctrine, believe the eternal son is a lesser God.

Jesus is God MarkV, God in the Flesh!

Jesus said before Abraham was I AM!!! Do you know who the Great I AM IS? GOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/09


g, that is a common false doctrine, because only the repentant are forgiven. "Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a person sows, that will the person also reap." Gal.6:7.
---Eloy on 11/4/09


It is very true. If you choose tolive a life of UNREPENTED SIN after accepting christ you will not be saved. It is as a dog returning to it's vomit. It is a man putting his hands to the plow and looking back, he is unfit for the kingdom. It is as those who fall away. To turn to a life of sin after accepting Christ is to reject Him.
---francis on 11/4/09


Actually Trav I ENTERED into the Everlasting Covenant, and with that entered into His Rest..Hebrews 4.

Now, will the New Covenant God made with Israel to replace the Mosaec Covenant apply to me as well? Well, I do have the promise of the Holy Spirit..yes, I do have Christ in me...which makes me Abraham's spiritual seed...which is Christ, I do have forgivness of sin etc, yes.. but the promise to Abraham was made long before the Mosaec replaced with the New.

Therefore, I won't have any land, I do not have to keep any statutes or ordinances that the New Covenant requires. The Everlasting Covenant is Hebrews 13:20 & 21...

My REST is God KEEPING ME, and working in me, conforming me to the Image of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/09




Eloy, don't pray for me, for I don't know who you are praying to. I rather you didn't attempt to convert me like you. My discernment is perfectly clear concerning what you teach, and what evidence you give, your admission that you were saved twiced or maybe three times, You compromise the Trinity when you say that the Father and the Son are the same "Person," when in fact the Trinity is three Persons, you compromise the sufficient works of Christ on the cross for the believer by suggesting it is not enough to save them, they need works, You compromise the word of God when you claim you are sinless, when in fact the evidence you give with your conduct contradicts what you say.
---MarkV. on 11/4/09


Hebrews 10:26 - 31 states clearly states that if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
So YES, SIN separates you from God.
---laura6946 on 11/4/09


kathr4453, you forgot the "lit.Gk:" that I have posted prefacing the following holy scripture that I have cited: "For God he so loved the harmony, so as the Son of him, the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal." So please study to show yourself approved, before you bear false-witness.
---Eloy on 11/3/09


Darlene, you seem to have an issue with a wife obeying her husband. Please know that it is a great honor for a wife to obey her husband which is her head, just as it is equally a great honor for a man to obey Christ which is his head. And the reason it is a great honor is because our head has our best interest at heart: if we ask our head for a fish he will not give us a stone, but instead of giving us a fish he night very well give us a full net of fish. When we understand our head's instruction we will say as Peter has said, "Yes, Lord, do not wash only my feet, but all of my whole body."
---Eloy on 11/3/09


Trav, you completely leave out that in Adam ALL sin and ALL died, even without the LAW.

I didn't accept the New Covenant, I accepted Jesus Christ, and have come to the MEDIATOR of the New Covenant...Jesus Christ Himself!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/2/09

You didn't accept New Covenant!!!Sounds like a mistake to me!!! Heb 8:10!!!

Some more Galations:
Gal:29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with son of the freewoman.

31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
---Trav on 11/3/09


Read Romans 7:14-25. I don't believe Paul was separated from God. I think he gives a good explanation of what we go through in regards to sin.
---Bob on 11/2/09


Bob, that is great!! However, don't you believe that only those who actually have the struggle between our old man and new can really undestand...from personal experience! What a blessing that chapter is to those who would be told they could lose their salvation.

Folks..if there is no struggle in you, if you think you got saved and have it all under control...think again! Paul tells us what a Christian goes through once they are Born Again.. Remember in Philippians 3 before Paul got saved, he thought he was blameless under the Law! No struggle there!
---kathr4453 on 11/3/09


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Eloy,just a little reminder,the Bible says Children obey,wives submit. Colossians 3:18,20 Wives submit yourselves to your own husbands,as it is fit in the Lord. Children obey your parents in all things,for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said,we ought to obey God rather than men. To submit means to yield(to give up),to authority of another,I like this,to cease contention. To obey means to follow the commands or guidance of,to comply with or conform as in ,obey an order. Obey denotes no choice,submit is freely given of ones own choice,as in working together.
---Darlene_1 on 11/3/09


God of course never moves, when you understand OASA you realize that it is man who moves thereby bringing on guilt causing the problem.
How could sin possibly move God away from you when God himself has already paid the full debt for your sin on the cross of Calvary?
---mima on 11/3/09


Alan, how sad it is when so-called people of the cloth can promote sin under the guise of God's order. Yes as the scripture instructs, wives are to rightly obey their husbands as their head in all things, but when a husband betrays against his family then the wife is no longer bound to respect him for he has broken their vow of "to honor and obey to the death". Truly that church is not a church of Christ, but rather a synogogue of satan.
---Eloy on 11/3/09


MarkV, you still bear false-witness. I pray that you will really get saved, and then when Jesus abides all on the inside of you like he is in me, then you will be able to bear true-witness with your words.
---Eloy on 11/3/09


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Why is it that some Christians search the scriptures to find as many loopholes as possible to perpetuate their pet sins? What's wrong with showing your love by obedience?
---jerry6593 on 11/3/09


Eloy,
Take this words to heart against your oppressors:
Isaiah 59:13-15: "In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth, and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment."
2 Peter 1 is saying that those things we ADD to faith is our new "fulness of the heart", else we are shallow and blind - headed for the pit-fall.
---Nana on 11/2/09


Read Romans 7:14-25. I don't believe Paul was separated from God. I think he gives a good explanation of what we go through in regards to sin.
---Bob on 11/2/09


Eloy ... To let you know the situation of that poor woman on the "suppressed marriage" blog.

She told the church her fears, but they forced her to stay with him (such was the influence of that type of "shepherding" church) insisting family has to submit to husband.

Confirmation of her fears followed, so to protect them, she left with the children, and was disfellowshipped.

Later the children testified to the police and he was prosecuted, but the church produced character witnesses to counter their statements, and the case was dropped.

Eventually the children testified again, he confessed, but it was too late to bring a prosecution. The church congratulated the man, and he remains an elder
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/2/09


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"For God he so loved the harmony, so as the Son of him, the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal. Eloy***


My how you like to twist scripture to say what God never said in John 3:16.

John 3:16 is a call to all and everyone WHOSOEVER believes in Him, believes He died on the cross for our SIN and rose again for our Justification.

As duane said...how many really do not believe in the Cross!

If sin separates you from God in Christ you are still under the law of sin and death. We've been freed from that Law.

Colossians 3:1-4 is to OSAS! Christ is our life!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/2/09


Eloy, you are right, out of the mouth the heart speaks, and out of your mouth your heart spoke very clearly. Your self-righteous attitude comes out very clear. You say your righteous life and works speak for you, but what they say is not good at all for it tells of what you have done with life, family, and friends. And we know that already. For the only righteousness you hold is the righteousness of Christ that covers your sinful life, if you are really saved.
---MarkV. on 11/2/09


kathr, you still wrest the scriptures removing them from context to establish falsehood. lit.Gk" "For God he so loved the harmony, so as the Son of him, the single-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal. Love not the mundane neither the things in the ordinary. If any person love the mundane, the love of the Father is not in that one. Know you all not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. God which introduced of his love toward us, because besides being of the offenders, of us Christ for us died." John 3:16+ I John 1:15+ James 4:4+ Romans 5:8.
---Eloy on 11/2/09


MarkV, Out of the mouth the heart speaks. You blaspheme because you are not of God. For my righteous life and works bear witness and prove that I am manifested righteous and not a sinner. "If they called the Lord of the house beelzebub, how much more them of his household? Even so every good tree brings forward good fruit, but a corrupt tree brings forward bad fruit. A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Little children, let no person deceive you: whoever that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in that one and that one cannot sin, becasue he is born of God. Matthew 10:25+ 7:17,18+ I John 3:7,9.
---Eloy on 11/2/09


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The only people to be judged sinners would have been the only people to have the law. Israel.
Israel, divorced. Israel without a hope in the world. You are one part correct (sinners)....one part unseeing. America is composed of many divorced of Israel. Who accepted the New Covenant. Because they could. Read sign, the heart tells it. Heb 8:10. The marks tell it. ....
---Trav on 10/30/0

Trav, you completely leave out that in Adam ALL sin and ALL died, even without the LAW.

Those in America today who are Jews and saved as I am are members of Christ's Body..the Church!

I didn't accept the New Covenant, I accepted Jesus Christ, and have come to the MEDIATOR of the New Covenant...Jesus Christ Himself!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/2/09


There is No fellowship with holiness and sin.
---Eloy on 10/31/09

I guess so many fail to understand God could not fellowship with man because of SIN.

THAT is WHY God so lived the world, and that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Now we can fellowship with God..through Jesus Christ!

Isn't it awesome Eloy! Oh what a loving compassionate God we have that wanted to have fellowship with man again, and through Jesus Christ WE CAN!!! All those in the OT longed for such a day...That day has come!

PRAISE GOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/2/09


There is No fellowship with holiness and sin.
---Eloy on 10/31/09

When we receive Jesus Christ we are Justified by God and He now see's us IN CHRIST and in Christ's HOLINESS. Justified by His Blood! We can never have personal Holiness apart from Jesus Christ.

We are sanctified once and for all through the body of Christ. Hebrews 10.

We become partakers of HIS DIVINE NATURE ( Holiness) through HIS great and precious promises..AKA FAITH! . 2 Peter chapter 1...also stated in that chapter that WE ARE FORGIVEN of our sin, and those who don't believe that either have forgotten it or need to check and make sure they are really IN THE FAITH!
---kathr4453 on 11/2/09


Eloy, but you are a sinner, the bible says so. God's very words say you are a sinner. A forgiven sinner if you are saved. I think you are right in many cases but wrong in many others. There is two kinds of people, saved and not saved, righteous by the righteousness of Christ, and not righteous, self righteous, children of God and children of the devil. Those bought by the blood of Christ and those who remain under the law of works. Your sinful flesh is still with you. You still speak evil about others, think evil thoughts, do not forgive when you should, have pride, etc. So please don't stand there and tell everyone you are without sin. You must think no one knows a thing about Scripture but you.
---MarkV. on 11/2/09


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Many unsaved people disagree with me and say that I am wrong, or I am evil, or I am a sinner. BUt the reason they say these lies is becasue they themself think that all people are sinners as they themself are, and they have not become born-again yet. All people on the outside look the same, yet all people are not the same. Scripture declares in both testments that there are basically two kinds of people, the good person, and the bad person. Not all are bad and not all are good, just as not all are goats and not all are sheep, not all are tares and not all are wheat. Even children know without confusion that there are two kinds of people and not just one. That is why Jesus created a hell and a heaven for the TWO different kinds of people.
---Eloy on 11/1/09


Both---duane on 11/1/09 and---MarkV on 11/1/09 have good things to say and I believe are correct.
---mima on 11/1/09


Eloy, is right on many of his quotes but wrong that after been born of the Spirit a person loses his salvation because of sin. A person can sin and be saved at the same time. Doesn't mean we have a license to sin. We could not stop sinning while lost so we were under the Covenant of works and needed Christ to make us right. The Covenant of Grace takes believers by faith in Christ out of the Covenant of works because Christ did, by been sinless for us by His Works on the Cross. He was our substitute. And even now we are still in the flesh but saved only because of Christ, not because of our deeds. One day the flesh will receive new bodies and be glorified. What Eloy does is uses the same passages meant for unbelievers to believers.
---MarkV. on 11/1/09


If sin seperated you from God, no man could or ever would be saved. For all men sin.
That is the reason God HAD to send HIS SON.
HE had to die for us and take sin away so we could come before a righteous God.
We have been reconciled to God through Christ, our sins not counted against us.
This is the work of the Cross.
Many here just dont believe in the work of the Cross, thats why there is so much confusion.
We are set free from sin through Christ. We cannot set ourselves free from sin. No man can.
---duane on 11/1/09


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Eloy: We mostly disagree, but I believe you are right on on this one. Christianity is not a license to sin. Jesus Himself said "go and sin no more." He didn't say "you're free from the law, now go and sin it up!" If OSAS were true, then Satan and his demons are still saved. Not likely!
---jerry6593 on 11/1/09


"Does sin seperate you from God AFTER you are saved?" No.
"Who [or what] shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
For it is He who has loved us "and washed us from our sins in his own blood."
Consider this, Father did not separate Himself from Adam and Eve in their transgression, it was they who attempted to separate themselves from Him. Just as we are "sometime alienated and enemies in [our own] mind by wicked works, yet now hath..." Rom. 8:35,39>Rev 1:5>Col 1:21,22
---josef on 10/31/09


There is No fellowship with holiness and sin. In order to be one with Christ, the sinner must repent from their sin in order to be joined up to Christ and to live for Jesus. A soul cannot serve two masters, either the soul is Christian or else the soul is nonChristian, a person cannot be righteous and sinuous at the same time. Either one is saved,or else one is condemned: for it is not possible to be lost-founded nor a disobedient-obeyer nor a sinner-saint. Whenever a person leaves Christ and chooses to serve sin over Christ, that soul is none of his: and when one serves sin sometimes and sometimes serves Christ, that one is a hypocrite and self-condemned. The lusts of sin when it is finished brings one to death, and not to life.
---Eloy on 10/31/09


I will again say Jesus came into world to save SINNERS!!!!(4)!!

And Trav, how do those verses contradict that Jesus came to save sinners, individuals..not Nations.

ONLY NATION God has an unconditional Covenant with is Israel...not a Gentiles Nation!! Not ever America!
---kathr4453 on 10/30/09

The only people to be judged sinners would have been the only people to have the law. Israel.
Israel, divorced. Israel without a hope in the world. You are one part correct (sinners)....one part unseeing. America is composed of many divorced of Israel. Who accepted the New Covenant. Because they could. Read sign, the heart tells it. Heb 8:10. The marks tell it. Or perhaps you don't believe the prophets.
---Trav on 10/30/09


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Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 65:22
They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands
---Trav on 10/28/09


Trav, those verses are to Israel the Nation.

I will again say Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS!!!!(4)!!

And Trav, how do those verses contradict that Jesus came to save sinners, individuals..not Nations.

The ONLY NATION God has an unconditional Covenant with is Israel...not a Gentiles Nation!! Not ever America!
---kathr4453 on 10/30/09


I should have added that God DOES at times discipline His children, to bring them up short.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
---Donna66 on 10/28/09


There is not one verse to Gentiles that says Jesus came to save the Elect...it says He came to save SINNERS!!! ------katr

You and your exclamation marks. Putting three of them together does not make your statements true. They make you look like a screamer. Just because you scream doesn't make it true.
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Isaiah 65:22
They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands
---Trav on 10/28/09


Yes and No. If you are saved, your sins do not change your POSITION with God...you are still His child. But it strongly affects your RELATIONSHIP with Him. It creates a gulf between you and Him, just as rebellion in a child creates a gulf between him and his parent. When a Christian sins, he is still a Christian, but he needs to make his relationship right with God. If he is truly a Christian, he will be miserable until he does.
---Donna66 on 10/27/09


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\\I guess we will find out,but your right a sobering thought that we are required daily to take up our cross.
---tom2 on 10/27/09
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As I have said on another blog, METANOIETE is an active verb in Greek, requiring dynamic action at each moment, not a static condition based on a once-for-all decision.
---Cluny on 10/27/09


Cluny: "Repentance and forgiveness do NOT change the past into a record of achievement."

Words have meaning. And those words are true within or without the contexts of religion, scripture, or 'god'.

If we all could or would live in a way in which repentance and forgiveness were unnecessary or unknown, we would be in 'heaven'.

If we live in a world where repentance and forgiveness are needed but unknown, we would be in 'hell'.

That is a dichtomy I believe in.
---atheist on 10/27/09


Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Psa 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

I think that these verses refer to willful sinning. The kind where we "play" with our pet sins, rather surrendering them at the promptings of the Holy spirit. Why do some look for how much sin they can get away with, rather than how much they can please God by obedience?
---jerry6593 on 10/27/09


michea3754,yes,there are many scripture references,and jesus himself spoke about those who have lost their first love,or he mentioned about those that are meither hot,nor cold,that he would spew them out. Sounds to me as if you walk away you may be doomed,not a pleasant thought,condidering you have been saved,but there are just to many scriptures that tell of how much trouble your in,but there are others that say none will be lost.I guess we will find out,but your right a sobering thought that we are required daily to take up our cross.
---tom2 on 10/27/09


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-- Cluny & Atheist :

Brethren, Salvation is something 'Redeemed', afterward there's no backsliding into Hell.

It's not the lip-service of repenting that Frees us from the Law of sin & death, but our Changed Hearts from Evil to Good when our 'Old Man' is crucified with Christ & our body of sin is eternally destroyed : no longer serving sin. Rom.6:6

These continuous debates stems from Questions of Speculation lacking the Wisdom to Understand that a good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things....and that it's futile to ponder degrees of sin b/c whosoever is not Free from the Law, shall be found suffering in hell !
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/27/09


atheist, you've asked the question that Christians have been debating for centuries, especially between OSAS and Holiness types.

I doubt you'll find an answer here.

However, one thing to remember: Repentance and forgiveness do NOT change the past into a record of achievement.

If there are degrees of punishment in hell--Jesus said that some will be beaten with few stripes, and some with many stripes--does it not follow that there are degrees of reward and glory in heaven--"star differing from star in glory"?
---Cluny on 10/26/09


Yes sin separates you from God even after salvation Yes sin does , but you should not sin intentionally it is wrong i believe whysin when you know it is wrong
---Joy6359 on 10/26/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

We can't lose/be separated from what God has Foreknowledge of us redeeming !

God having Foreknowledge of everything Chose in Himself BTFOTW to Predestinate whom He Foreknows to be CONFORMED to the Image of His Son, AFTER His Finished Works on the Cross.

God's Plan to Sacrifice Christ to nail sin to the Cross by His Precious Blood was Foreordained and only manifested in these last time so we may be Reborn & Quickened through being washed clean of our sins by it in Christ where we're Free from the Law & SIN IS NO LONGER IMPUTED, so we may receive the 'Indwelling Seal' of God's Living Promise, The Holy Ghost, and redeem Salvation to enter Heaven.
---Shawn.M.T. on 10/26/09


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I have always wondered about this idea...

So a mass murdered repents and receives salvation, but backslides and murders again---
Does he still go to Hell? Or does he go to Heaven? If he re-repents does he go to Heaven? What if he repents everytime he commits murder?

If I lie and don't repent and don't ask for salvation do I burn in Hell?

Is my 'sin' of lieing the same as mass murder? Do I suffer the same?
---atheist on 10/26/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

"Should we sin just because we're Saved under the Blood?"

Brethren, God Forbid ! How can we Live any longer in sin, If we're dead to sin ??

If our claim of Christ is True then we Believe that as He Died unto sin once, likewise we ourselves are Dead unto sin, Living in Him serving God.

When our 'Old Man' is crucified with Christ, our body of sin is eternally destroyed. We no longer continue to serve sin b/c our rebirth in Christ makes us Free from the imputing Law of sin & death.

God's Children are buried with Christ by Baptism & have been planted in the likeness of His Death & shall also RISE in the Harvest of His Resurrection(OSAS).
---Shawn.M.T on 10/26/09


While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

If God became man and came to seek us out before we even knew we needed a Savior, I don't think He's going to stop working on us, should we fall into sin.
---Cluny on 10/26/09


-- Miche :

Sister, You claim "we can't deny the old man can be resurrected even after its been killed". Who in Heaven or earth has power & authority above Christ to Resurrect our 'Old Man' ?

It took the Blood of Christ to purge our conscience of our Old Man & his dead works and the Grace of God to eternally Free us from the IMPUTING Law of sin & death, so the Love of our changed Hearts remain Saved in Christ serving the Living God through His Seal of Promise. This is How & Why when we Get Saved, we Say Saved : walking Daily in the Spirit of the Indwelling Holy Ghost.

Neither phrase, GSSS or OSAS, is Biblical but their Truth is revealed by nothing being able to SEPARATE US from the Love of God ! Rom.8:38-39
---Shawn.M.T on 10/26/09


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It is not what you are today but what you strive to be tomorrow.
---earl on 10/26/09


According to Romans 8:38-39, there is NOTHING that can separate us from the love of God. We can lose fellowship, close communion with Him but not our relationship.
---tommy3007 on 10/26/09


Miche those who are the Lords DO and ARE led by the Spirit. Those who are imposters have no Holy Spirit in them to lead them!!!

Ya know Miche, when I was a Child- spiritually speaking, I use to be furious about the sheep fleecers...but one day I realized....no one is fleecing the sheep not really. They're not the sheep, they're the goats!

When people ONLY GIVE to get something back...I don't feel sorry for them anymore. They're selfish, self centered gamblers, who moan and groan WHEN they don't get what Benny Hinn promised...that New Car! Serves them right. God is not a quarter machine.

Maybe that sounds harsh, but you reap what you sow!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


Miche:

When we read an English version of the Bible, we miss nuances that are obvious in the original languages. The usage of the word sin falls very much in this.

For example, in the NKJV John 8:34 says:

"Jesus answered them, Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.".

At first glance this verse seems straight forward.

However, the nuance comes in the conjugation of the Greek verb commits. The tense indicates a continuous tense sometimes referred to as habitual. If we use the word continuously for the tense in the verse, it amplifies our meaning:

"Jesus answered them, Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever continuously commits sin is a slave of sin."
---Mark_Eaton on 10/26/09


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Sin separate you from God? NO
Why do people think the reason why Christ came? Ans. To set us free from sin.
HE was wounded for our transgressions.
Doesnt anyone believe that HE took our sin and gave us HIS righteousness? This is the Gospel. This is the reason we can have eternal life. This is why God sent HIS SON.
Please wake up!! HE is the only way.
---duane on 10/26/09


...whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

---miche3754 on 10/26/09


Don't you know here again, and Yes I do know. I know that when I totally surrendered my Life to God, I surrendered my members obedience unto Righteousness. I presented myself a living sacrifice. God is now working in me not only to WILL but to DO of His Good pleasure.



I AM CRUCIFIED with Christ, No longer I but Christ in me!! and the Life I live now Miche, I live BY FAITH of the only Begotten Son of God who loves me and gave Himself for me! I don't void out the Grace of God by going back and trying to KEEP myself, by works of the law or self effort! Then I would have FALLEN from GRACE!!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


No Miche, sin does not separate me from God. Here's why. When I sin, GOD busts my chopps, you know He puts me over His Knee and whips me. Now if Sin separated me from God,there would be no HANDS ON CHASTENING!!!! No Holy Spirit Conviction.

- Kath
Sis, I am not talking about you or me per say. We both know to obey God and we are both quick to listen to him.
I am talking about those that don't. Will them not accepting this. Shouldn't we let people know they have to be lead by God and listen to his spirit?
By the way, he has put a whipping on me many times, LOL.
And there are some people that really think that if God does this to them that God doesn't love them anymore. This is mainly due to false doctrines.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


---miche3754 your questions stated ,"if Christ comes back while you are in this condition, will he still save you?" Really exposes the fears that the non--OSAS crowned has.
---mima on 10/26/09


mima so true, PERFECT love cast out fear. I am not afraid to die, even today if that were to happen. I'm excited to go home to be with the Lord when He calls me..even today! I have no fear of wondering....is she done yet...I'm not a Butterball Turkey where God is waiting for some red thing to pop up.

Stephen died when? Probably days after he got saved, maybe months. How many have been persecuted and killed moments after salvation?
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


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Kath lets read little further in Romans 6
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity, even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


Something came to my mind while I was pondering this question.
It is when Jesus is teaching us how to pray.

"Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory, for ever and ever.
Amen"

Did Jesus tell us that we are to stop praying this after he died and rose again?
---g on 10/26/09


Paul says should be sin because we are under Grace? NO.Miche***

Miche, Please continue to read Romans 6...Why stop at NO and not tells us why Paul says NO!!
Romans 6...the FINISHED work of Christ EXPLAINED!
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3Know ye not,(DON'T YOU KNOW) that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

....

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Obviously many here DON'T KNOW!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


Part 2
You also didn't answer the question. Does sin seperate you from God?
---miche3754 on 10/26/09

No Miche, sin does not separate me from God. Here's why. When I sin, GOD busts my chopps, you know He puts me over His Knee and whips me. Now if Sin separated me from God,there would be no HANDS ON CHASTENING!!!! No Holy Spirit Conviction.

My relationship to God NOW is a begotten son/daughter through Jesus Christ.

My childrens disobedience did not separate me from them. If I had turned my back on them, then I would be a horrible parent. I disciplined them, and stayed right on them regardless!

If I do something and get away with it,then I am an illigitimate not a Begotten son through Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


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Mima at least I am asking God about it instead of thinking it is okay to disobey him and act like I am part of the world when I know I am not supposed to.
AND no, we are not osas.
YOu can't continuously sin and still be saved!
To disobey God wins you a ticket to hell.
And you know that the Bible says that.
At least I am not putting into peoples head its okay to sin. And if you are so sure that IF the prodigal son would have been saved in his fallen state, show me scripture that says it.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


---miche3754 your questions stated ,"if Christ comes back while you are in this condition, will he still save you?" Really exposes the fears that the non--OSAS crowned has. God is not a yo-yo. Because you and I are members of a fallen people we are yo-yos. Let us trust God to hold us and to keep us!

Jude 1:24,"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,"

Is the above verse true or a lie?
---mima on 10/26/09


Kath are you saying that those who are saved can commit sin all they want and will be saved any?
I am asking because I want to know what your stance is.

Paul says should be sin because we are under Grace? NO.
And Peter says that IF we do sin, we have an advocate to the Father that we can come to the thrown.

Do you still sin sometimes? I know I do unknowingly and then when God points it out, I make sure I let him know I understand not to do it again(repent) do you? That is how we learn and grow in HIS grace.

It is not okay to sin just because we are saved. You also didn't answer the question. Does sin seperate you from God?
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


Does sin seperate you from God AFTER you are saved?

---g on 10/26/09

g, when Adam & Eve sinned, they were separated from God. In the OT under the LAW atonement was made year after year COVERING SIN...not forgiving sin!

We're no longer under OT concepts here. If you think Jesus Died and rose again so he could only cover sin, you fail to see the FINISHED works of Calvary!

Please read Colossians 2...He actually took sin out of the way and NAILED it to the cross. Sin is done away COMPLETELY in Christ. I DIED with Christ to sin....once and for all!

God now sees us IN CHRIST a New Creature...not an old one he sees only through a covering.

The New and LIVING WAY read Heb 10!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/09


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Separation from God caused by sin could just as well be called "guilt". Sin separates us from God in our own minds but God does not separate himself from us because he has are ready forgiven us for sins not yet committed!!!!
Please consider scripture Romans 4:8,
"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" the scripture is talking about the saved.
---mima on 10/26/09


Sin & if you wronged some one, you need to go to that person, ask for their forgiveness
no matter whom it would be. There are hidden sins, secret sins, sins you no not you do etc. Paul said I die daily which is to repent every day, & by God's help to do no more.

There are sins that will get God's attn, He may warn you & if you will not submit to repent, it will separate you from God & then may cause you to be lost.

This once saved always saved Is Man-made teachings & it came from here, 2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15.
---Lawrence on 10/26/09


Yes tom2 that is very true.
I am wondering though, while you are outside, if Christ comes back while you are in this condition, will he still save you?

I sure wouldn't want to put myself in that postion where Im not sure especially when the Word says this-
2 Peter 1:9-11
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
---miche3754 on 10/26/09


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