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MarkV, in the OT God was never referred to as the FATHER. David never called Him Father. None of the Prophets called Him Father, even Abraham Isaac and Jacob never called Him Father.

Who was God in the OT...He was GOD. Now if you want all the Hebrew names we can go there, but no mention of FATHER or eternal Son in the OT.

Father in the New, because the only begotten Son was BIRTHED by God. That's what begotten means. No one was begotten in the OT. If Jesus was the eternal son, how did a son of god come into being. Angels were sons of God and were created not begotten. Who did God cohabitate with to have an eternal son in the OT? The WORD WAS GOD! Jesus said before Abraham was I AM....another very important name for GOD!
---kathr4453 on 11/9/09


The Bible says God sent his Son. You cannot send something that does not previously exist.
Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Colossians 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell,
---exzucuh on 11/9/09


Trav you write such gibberish, but every now and then something is understandable. It must have slipped through!

How arrogant, judgemental and wrong of you to say of me that 'His GOD is a different GOD, than GOD of truth. His is man/conceived version.'

The God of whom I write is the God of the Bible. Maybe you also believe in the same God but who would know? Unless you have psychological problems or struggle with English it is infantile to write such meaninglessness. Write sentences!
---Warwick on 11/9/09


Markv,
We are talking about if the Son appears as the Eternal Son in the OT. I know Christ as the Son of God appears in the NT.
But Jesus is not the Eternal Son. This title implies that Jesus was the Son from the Foundation of the World when he was not.
At the foundation of the World- Jesus was the WORD- The LOGOS- John 1 says this-
"1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and .
The same was in the beginning with God."

Understand Markv, that Jesus didn't become the Son until he put on Flesh.
Before that he was, is, and always will be GOD! He is the great I AM! This will never change!
---miche3754 on 11/9/09


Trav and Warwick, it is you who disrespect God, projecting your own dislike of humanity on Him, who loves us and intends to save us from sin. But God will have mercy on you because "His mercy endureth forever" (repeated in Psalm 136 twenty-six times!). God love you, and God be with you.
---Curious.one on 11/8/09




Those 2 Guys who arrived in Antioch! :)
---Pastor_JIm on 11/8/09


Miche 2: The words, Son of God, is a title used nearly 30 times in the gospels, iidentifies Jesus Christ as the same in essene as God (John 1:34,49, 10:36, 11:27,19:7, Heb. 1:5, 2 Samuel 7:14). The resurrection clearyl declared that jesus was deity, the expression of God Himself in human form. While He was eternally the Son in anticipation of His incarnation, it was when He entered the world in incarnation that He was declared to all the world as the Son of God and took on the role of submission to the Father (Ps 2:7, Heb. 1:5,6). Read Proverbs 30:4 ...Who has bound the waters in garment? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know?" His Son's name is Jesus Christ.
---MarkV. on 11/8/09


But your god is weak and dependent upon human will. Who could respect such a god....
---Curious.one on 11/8/09

His GOD is a different GOD, than GOD of truth. His is man/conceived version.

Now my GOD answers a challenge if you want to provoke it. He does not depend on the will of mere men of clay.....quite the opposite.
He knows your disrespect before it was uttered. But, I'll relay since you don't believe.

Psalm 92:9
O LORD, for, lo, thine enemies shall perish, all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered.
Psalm 56:9
When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know, for God is for me.
---Trav on 11/8/09


You definitely are a curious one!

You are a 'moving-target' person. You make a claim, it is shown incorrect, so you move on to another criticism of God.

Those who end up in hell do so not because of the will of God, but of their own free will. It is the same as drink-driving. You can end up in gaol for drink driving, but whose fault is it?

As God created all there is, He owns it, and obviously is the only one who has the right to set the rules. But then because He is a loving God He sent His Son to come and fully pay the penalty for our wilful rebellion. What a wonderful Almighty God we have! He can be yours too.

First God was a monster, now he is weak! Make up your mind.
---Warwick on 11/8/09


Trav, good. You got it. Now just go feed the hungry and shelter the homeless, etc., and you will avoid having to gnash your teeth. Have a good weekend!
---Curious.one on 11/6/09
I set a place for any who could eat. Steak for the mature, milk for gum-my bears.

7Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
Note(Heb 8:8-1010)
8For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
---Trav on 11/8/09




Miche, my dear sister, you missed my point altogether. She said, God was not, the Father, The Son or the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, so I ask who was He?

You answered that He was the Father, the Logos, the Holy Spirit. She said He wasn't.
So I ask who was He? To please tell me?
You are correct but what you fail to understand is that the Logos is the Son. He was the Son and still is the Son. When He was declared the Son of God by His resurrection clearly divided Him from the rest of humanity. Providing irrefutable evidence that He is the Son of God, who came in the flesh and resurrected. But He wasn't created the Son of God then, when He was born, when He was born He was the son of Mary, and Joseph.
---MarkV. on 11/8/09


Hi again Warwick, you are absolutely right: God is "not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." God always gets what he wants, or else He is not God. "Who can resist His will?" No one. But your god is weak and dependent upon human will. Who could respect such a god....
---Curious.one on 11/8/09


Gary said:

What is better? Being led by The Spirit, or following laws? Those who are truly led by The Spirit no longer need the law.

If following the Law WITH ITS FULL SPIRITUAL original intent, IS NOT walking in the Spirit.

Then why did Jesus fulfill the Law? So He can be seen as pitiful?

Christ was not truly led by the Spirit because He followed Law?

Even Christ cannot walk in the Spirit? SO He DOES the lesser, fulfill the Law?

Or did Jesus fulfill THE LAW because the Law is HOLY, JUST, and good?

How do we LEARN what is holy just and good?

By the precepts TAUGHT within the Law and Prophets or by precepts of the apostates?
---Paul9594 on 11/8/09


"If God was not the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, who was He?"
- markv

He was/is God the father, God the WORD(Logos), God the Holy Spirit in the OT.
Jesus had not come and was not of submission until he came in the flesh, Markv.
So, no the Son was not eternal.
Jesus is God fully, you must rememeber that. Now Jesus is in charge.
Jesus said he IS I am- I AM IN THE OT IS GOD!
So, the son did not exist in the OT as the son. He existed as the great I AM!
---miche3754 on 11/8/09


Curiousone you have written either in ignorance of what Scripture says of God, or in deceit.

For example:

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
---Warwick on 11/8/09


Warwick, your God has no love in himself. Any "Father" who would consign most of his children to eternal torture is no father. No human father would consider doing such a thing to his children unless he was stark-raving mad. I wouldn't give your God the time of day. He's just plain evil.
---Curious.one on 11/7/09


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Kathr, I am still waiting to hear who God was in the Old Testament. You are still wiggling. I know how you mind works but you must know since you said it wasn't the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit. By saying what you did, you must have a name are you would have never answered that way. If none of the Three persons of the Trinity spoke to the prophets, and all the saints, who was speaking?
---MarkV. on 11/7/09


What is a Christian?
One who abides IN the SON and the SON in them.
One who has the gift of eternal life, the life of Christ. Once dead because of sin but now alive with HIS life in them. Having BOTH forgiveness of sin and life everlasting.
---duane on 11/7/09


Curious.one, read the NT, especially Revelation, and you will see God is still a God of righteous judgement. All of us will be judged at the end of time and I am sure billions who ignored or rejected God's free gift of salvation through Jesus, will (sadly) be consigned to hell. As Scripture says God is not willing that any should perish, howvever they did so in OT times, by choice, and still do.

Same God, same right to judge the world He created, and everything in it. And He does, and He will.
---Warwick on 11/7/09


The God of the Old Testament advocates genocide (see especially the book of Joshua), while the God of the New Testament advocates loving one's enemies. They are quite different.
---Curious.one on 11/7/09


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MarkV, There is no verse whatsoever of an ETERNAL Son until after Jesus rose from the dead. ***Romans 1:1-4Declared to be the Son of God by the resurrection of the dead. Hebrews 1, God says, sit here at my right hand....when was that? After He rose from the dead.

Trav, again you say Israel was the WIFE of the Lord. What was their WIFELY Duty? Bringing in the Messiah.

The WOMAN is ISRAEL of the seed of Abraham/DAVID.

God did not have an eternal son from the beginning. His begotten Son came in submission to the Father, however the WORD OT Phil 2 was EQUAL to GOD, humbled Himself,left Glory and took on the form of a servant.

Scripture teaches scripture, and that is how my mind works, thinks, processes.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/09


Trav, good. You got it. Now just go feed the hungry and shelter the homeless, etc., and you will avoid having to gnash your teeth. Have a good weekend!
---Curious.one on 11/6/09


Kathr, you wiggled again around my question, Who is God in the Old Testament? Can you just answer the question instead of talking about three or four topics. Just one question,
If God was not the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, who was this mysterious God that you speak of?
---MarkV. on 11/6/09


Who are brethren?
Luke 8:21 .and said unto them, my mother and my brethren are these which HEAR THE WORD OF GOD, AND DO IT.

John 12:48 He that REJECTS me, and RECEIVES not my words, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, the SAME SHALL judge him in the last day.

DO YOU REALIZE your saviors lips spoke these sayings. WHEN there was no New Testament? So He means DO the Law and the Prophets.
No New Testament for 150 to 200 yrsAFTER HIS RESURECTION!

How long until His children read His lips?

FIRST Christians did per HIS sayings! Can you do the same? The Apostles never directly quoted each other OR from a New Testament, but preached from Scripture!
---Paul9594 on 11/6/09


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"If God was not the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, who was He?"

Instead of blaming Calvin, the Catholics, Mormons, pre-trib, Jews, Gentles, why don't you just answer the question?
---MarkV. on 11/6/09


MarkV, there are many names for God in the OT..FATHER wasn't one of them. He is FATHER in relation to the Begotten Son, and He is OUR FATHER in our relation to our being IN HIS SON. do you see anyone in the OT calling Him Father as We do. ABBA Father!

That you need to grasp first...then it may click!


MarkV, read John McArthur Hebrews published 1983. He clearly teaches the eternal son doctrine is WRONG! It's excellent.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/09


#2 Please print

Christ was Second Adam and Mary was the line of Abraham then both are fulfilled.
Joseph, Mary both fulfilled family tree line through Judah back to Adam. Even without Josephs help.
---Trav on 11/6/09


That's the point Trav...It comes from the Mother of God, sinless, emaculately conceived Queen of Heaven doctrine of Mary..co-redemptress doctrine.

Christ was not the second Adam, He was the LAST Adam..big difference!
---kathr4453 on 11/6/09


Today, do God's people have faith in the power of the Holy Spirit to be like our living example, Christ? He has the manners and mindset of the Torah/law!! Are you growing in this?

Today are God's people abiding with a Torah less, lawless false Christ?

Do Christians ask themselves in their life, what would Christ do?

Since your savior was the Living Torah, would He not respond to the situations of life according to the mindset and manners of the Torah?

Dear friend do you try to deal with life situations, even as He did? Or has the law being done away with, because of bad teachers?

What is the impact to your life for being lawless? Please repent or else hear Matthew 7:21
---Paul9594 on 11/6/09


Kathr, you did a lot of wiggling around and did not answer my Question. Instead you want to condemn the Catholics. In fact they have the Trinity very correct. Throwing stones does not make you righteous, it only makes you a crazy person throwing stones.

"If God was not the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament, who was He?"

Instead of blaming Calvin, the Catholics, Mormons, pre-trib, Jews, Gentles, why don't you just answer the question?
---MarkV. on 11/6/09


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It seems to escape the attention of many dedicated believers, that if Jesus was already the eternal son He could NOT have been the seed promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
---kathr4453 on 11/6/09

It has not escaped my attention....that you presume to know more and teach things you don't understand. In disregard to scriptural or biblical authority. MarkV knows this as well in his patience.

You are GOD given for opportunity to point out scripture witnessing against you though and for truth. I have seen that.

Christ was Second Adam and Mary was the line of Abraham then both are fulfilled.
Joseph, Mary both fulfilled family tree line through Judah back to Adam. Even without Josephs help.
---Trav on 11/6/09


"If Christ became the Son at birth, then He did not exist in the beginning and was created."-markv

MarkV, you clearly leave out BEGOTTEN Son, and many Bibles today have in fact left that out...hummmmmm!

The WORD in fact became the BEGOTTEN SON at Birth...clearly stating HE WAS NOT CREATED!

The Bible doesn't say the eternal Father overshaddowed Mary, it says the Holy Spirit overshaddowed Mary.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/09


Good for you Miche...and don't let anyone tell you different. You are absolutely correct, and it seems our understanding is the same.

The Begotten Son of God came in submission to do the will of the Father unto DEATH...and no such relationship was in the OT. If Jesus were the eternal son of God from the beginning, He would have been eternally in submision to the Godhead.
No such teaching in the OT either. THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE!!!!!

TODAY Have I begotten thee, is clearly stating a fact that there was a specific time and place....of the BIRTH of Jesus Christ...who the angel instructe Mary...He Shall be called...not He IS or who IS, meaning always was.



---kathr4453 on 11/6/09


The, the Eternal Son concept comes out of RCC theology. MarkV once being RCC still has not been delivered from many of it's teachings.


The Creed of Catholic Church is well known from two thousand years. There is a Trinity, Jesus is the eternal Son of God, who became flesh, etc.

It seems to escape the attention of many dedicated believers, that if Jesus was already the eternal son He could NOT have been the seed promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which seed the Apostle Paul claims was the MAN, Christ Jesus, who became the mediator between God and man.(1 Tim. 2:5)
---kathr4453 on 11/6/09


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"If Christ became the Son at birth, then He did not exist in the beginning and was created."-markv

In the Beginning Christ was not the son, He was the Logos- THE WORD!
He had not become flesh But he was definately in the Beginning as THE WORD! NOT the son.
Understand the WORD BECAME FLESH(John 1)!
The are indeed 3 parts to God.
God the Father
God the Word
God the Holy Spirit
And all 3 are God.
God made a body for himself, and appeared in the flesh and his name was Jesus. And He sacrificed his flesh to reconcile man back to himself and to break the bonds of the old covenent, since it was not perfect, to create a new and perfect covenent. So, yes Markv, I have certainly done my study.
---miche3754 on 11/6/09


The Son is the utterance of God, but in person He is Christ the Son, Begotten means of the same family as the Father which is of God.
---MarkV. on 11/6/09



The Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD!!!
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne,O God, ....
Miche, no verse describes the Word in the OT as the Son being the utterance of God.

Hebrews 1

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, We see in the OT, prophets called Him the WORD.

Example....THE WORD OF THE LORD came unto me saying. No verse in the OT says, the Son uttered anything coming from God...
---kathr4453 on 11/6/09


Miche, 2 continue: If Christ became the Son at birth, then He did not exist in the beginning and was created. But the Son was never created. He was the son of Mary when He Mary conceived Him but He was the Son from all eternity. Prov. 30:4 says, Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fist? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know?" His Son's name is Jesus Christ. This is not a predictive prophecy. Jesus the Son of God existed before John the Baptist (who was born before Jesus): John 1:15 1:14-18, 29-34. There is many more examples of the Son in the Old Testament that cannot be put down.
---MarkV. on 11/6/09


Miche, Kathr is wrong in her answers, that God is not the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament. If He was not then who was He? Second, don't speculate without doing a research of words found in Scripture. You have a responsibility to do the right thing since you are trying to teach without research.
Also when you do a study as to "the Word" found in John 1:1 you will see that the Word means "logos" the "Word" has many meanings. It can mean the utterance of God, Those who are of God hear God's "Word." Christ the Son existed from eternity. The Son is the utterance of God, but in person He is Christ the Son, Begotten means of the same family as the Father which is of God.
---MarkV. on 11/6/09


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Markv, Jesus before he was Jesus was the WORD- John 1. He was not the son yet in the old testament. Re-read John and tell me if what Kath has said is wrong.
Jesus as the Son was prophecy in the old testament and the prophecy fulfilled in the New testament.
So, again the eternal Son is wrong concept and is not actually mentioned in the Bible as such either. *repeat* Jesus didn't become the Son of God until he - THE WORD- came and became flesh.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
These were in the beginning. And these are one.
---miche754 on 11/6/09


It seems that instead on dealing with minutia on what Peter knew instead of the weighter matters of the Law and truth.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Let us adhere to the points about Matt 25 and work on seeing JESUS in others as first priority instead of just wishing to be right. Agape to all
---Samuel on 11/6/09


I see your knowledge of Scripture is rather narrow.
So I guess you don't feed hungry, etc.

I figured you didn't have time for such things.
---Curious.one on 11/4/09
Don't see exactly what ur referring too in 25 on sheep feeding.
I've done a poor job as mentioned previously.
Truth is the food here. I'll take more time with you. Open up...mmmmmm, this is gonna B good!
32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
---Trav on 11/6/09


Kathr, read your comment to me and Eloy,

"Eloy, MarkV,
Here's the problem, In the OT God was not FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit"


Who was God in the Old Testament Kathr? Can you please explain who else God was?
What you are suggesting is that the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament was not God, and neither was the Father, or the Son" So tell us, who was this mysterious God if He was not the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?
---MarkV. on 11/5/09


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God did not judge Ananias and Sapphia, Peter did, in front of all who were there. Peter judged them for what they had done, and it was to lie to the Holy Spirit. How did he know? because they had not given everything as they had promised. God did not judge them He layed the sentence, death.
Ananias and wife had been in the congregation of those who believed (v. 4:32-37) and were involved with the Holy Spirit (v.3) but remained hypocrites. This was not a sin in and of itself. However they had promised publicly, that they were giving the full amount received to the Lord as had Barnabas, having land, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles feet in Acts 4:36,37.
---MarkV. on 11/5/09


Trav, you wrote, "Ur scripture skewed a little..it's feed the sheep." If you read Matthew 25, it is the SHEEP who feed hungry and clothe the naked. Now I see that your knowledge of Scripture is rather narrow. So I guess you don't feed the hungry, etc. I figured you didn't have time for such things.
---Curious.one on 11/4/09


How did Peter know they lied? Re-read Acts Chapter 5 again.
---Steveng on 11/3/09

Steven it says in those verses "Why have you lied to the Holy Spirit?"

How did Peter know? Scripture is silent on this. Maybe word of mouth from a friend told Peter that the land was sold for x number of dollars. Maybe Peter knew who bought it and for how much..

We really don't know.

But I will say this, those verses have been abused more than you know.

Another example is those who THINK they have the word of Knowledge, falsely accusing people publicly by saying:

"The Lord told me you are having an affair" or something like that,and they use these verses to back up their special gift??
---kathr4453 on 11/4/09


kathr4453: "They didn't lie to Peter, and Peter didn't judge them either. They lied to God and God judged them!"

How did Peter know they lied? Re-read Acts Chapter 5 again.
---Steveng on 11/3/09


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Ananias and Sapphira lied. That was the issue. Peter said, it was theirs to do with what they wanted..to give or to keep, it was theirs. But they lied...and THAT was the issue. They didn't lie to Peter, and Peter didn't judge them either. They lied to God and God judged them!

I've been in churches who have threaten their congragations that if they don't give to God, God can take their life using Acts 5:1-11. Just another Fleecing tactic.

---kathr4453 on 11/3/09


Hi again Trav, sheep feed the hungry, clothe naked, shelter homeless, and visit imprisoned.
I assume you do those things, since you know they identify
---Curious.one on 11/1/09

(Ur scripture skewed a little..it's feed the sheep:)
My work: Find sheep first. Give a goat a drink if thirsty.
Sheep...found with light of Truth
Hungry..fed when they hear it
Naked...clothed when they wear it
Homeless...relieved they came back
Imprisoned...free from prisons of men (doctrine)
In world/physical sense I poorly do that which is in my zone of possibility.

Romans 12:20
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him, if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.


---Trav on 11/3/09


Steven G, the question to you then is, can you see someone's heart? Are you like the apostles? Can you bring someone back to life who is dead? Do you have that power?
Can you bring limps back to a person?

Let me also say, in the context of Act 5:1-11, Peter did not see the hearts of Ananias and Sapphira his wife. He was judging them for not giving all to the Lord as they had promised. When someone promises something to the Lord and lies to God, the devil has to be behind it, as it was for Ananias. Anyone could have judge him. It didn't mean Peter had special powers in that case to see the inside of Ananias heart, but the outside actions of his heart.
---MarkV. on 11/3/09


Actually, Curious, there is a way to know who is right.

The one that exhibits the true love of Christ is the one who is right. The one who produces the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus didnt turn anyone away for their sins. If he didnt heal or perform miracles on someone it was because of their unbelief. Not because of the depth of their sinfulness.

Yet we as "christians" tend to do things quite differently than Christ would have himself. It seems to me that Christs anger was more directed towards unbelief in Him and those who were too busy putting people down for sinning instead of looking at themselves. I think there are more 'scribes and pharisees' in Christianity than we would care to admit.
---Jack_B on 11/3/09


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Acts 8:18-21: "And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God."
---Nana on 11/3/09


MarkV: "Steven G, you are wrong,"

Only in your mind.

MarkV: "...there is not one person alive that can see a persons heart. Only the Lord can see someone's heart. Everything else is speculation from those who are still sinners themselves, who don't even see their own hearts."

How do you suppose Peter knew the hearts of Ananias and his wife Sapphira? What the apostles did two thousand years ago christians can do today. Unfortunately, they are far and few between. This is also on the same level as doing miracles greater than Jesus. As I mentioned in a previous post, this only works when your relationship with God the Father is close.
---Steveng on 11/2/09


And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

So then, what is a disciple?

A disciple must have assurance of salvation that is in Jesus Christ ALONE!

A disciple demonstrates love for God, his neighbor, his fellow disciples, and his enemies.

The disciple is one who is obedient in all things, and who studies the Word of God, and is continually growing in the Grace and Knowledge of Jesus Christ.

A disciple is one who trusts God and lives a life of faith.

A disciple understands God's grace.

A disciple is one who witnesses for Christ as a way of life.

A disciple is one who follows Christ no matter where Christ leads, even unto death.

We could go on and on!
---kathr4453 on 11/2/09


MarkV ... I don't know how this sentence got in my post of 11/1 ... "Christianity must ALWAYS challenge the prevailing cultural assumptions"

It was nothing to do with this blog, and should be delted from my post.

(Actually I have worked out how it got there ... I must have pasted it in error here, having used it on another blog)
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/1/09


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MarkV ... "there is not one person alive that can see a persons heart. Only the Lord can see someone's heart. Everything else is speculation from those who are still sinners themselves, who don't even see their own heartstrue Christianity must ALWAYS challenge the prevailing cultural assumptions"

Yes, indeed!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/1/09


Hi again Trav, the sheep feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, and visit the imprisoned. So I assume you do those things, since you know they identify you as the true Christian when you aren't here fulminating.
---Curious.one on 11/1/09


Steven G, you are wrong, there is not one person alive that can see a persons heart. Only the Lord can see someone's heart. Everything else is speculation from those who are still sinners themselves, who don't even see their own hearts.
---MarkV. on 11/1/09


Glenn: "What is a Christian?"

Christians are not things so, therefore, we are a who, not a what.

(I am not without a little humor :))
---Steveng on 10/31/09


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Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
---TheSeg on 11/1/09


MarkV: "I thought only God could see the heart of a person."

He does. He also reveals the heart of another to His faithful servants - the prophets and the apostles and any christian that is a friend to God.
---Steveng on 10/31/09


Samuel, I cannot find a single passage which states what you said,

"JESUS said how to tell a true Christian"

I thought only God could see the heart of a person. What you are calling for is speculations. If someone doesn't like you, he is going to speculate you are not saved. And what if he is not saved himself? He will not even know what true love is. All speculations.
What we can do is read what they say and make an opinion, our own opinion, and even that subject to the Word of God. for He only knows.
---MarkV. on 10/31/09


one whos lifestyle reflects jesus,one who presents the gospel, and allows the holy spirit to convict, and doesn,t argue with people.
---tom2 on 10/31/09


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The Christian is born-again from Christ, and worships Christ only, and obeys Christ's commandments.
---Eloy on 10/31/09


nothing has changed,a christian is one who after being saved allows God to fullfill his plan of writing his commands in our hearts.
---tom2 on 10/30/09


a good listener,one who reads and then lives the word,one who follows the commands of jesus,humble,loving,patient,giving,kind,and much more.one who reflects the person of jesus in their lives.
---tom2 on 10/30/09


if you are a believer,knowing that while here somethings are not possible ,but let me ask. What will heaven be like,better yet what will your attitude be like in heaven?as a believer should you attempt as much as possible to imulate that attitude here.love,kindness,giving,how about just being friendly,or even better civil.Your business here is to allow the spirit to change you,and obey our lord,AND TO LOVE GOD AND EVERYONE AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. THATS a good start,then guess what?you will start bearing fruit.
---tom2 on 10/30/09


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Doctrine is important but it does not save. JESUS said how to tell a true Christian.

Jhn 13:34,35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another with a pure heart fervently:


1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God, and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
---Samuel on 10/30/09


with so much constant discussion,steming from what seems to be endless interpretation,I wonder anymore if there are followers of christ.so many questions,so many answers,so many denominations,seems like the church believes the word is a personal answer,when in fact it is not.living with a lifestyle where materialism is their God,new cars,500 thousand dollar homes,credit everywhere,DEBT,DEBT,AND MORE DEBT,and sadly ignoring truth.Go and sale all you own,and give it to the poor and follow me,and he went away sad.
---tom2 on 10/30/09


There are so many hundreds of Christian sects that it is not possible to know what a Christian is. A pity.
---Curious.one on 10/28/09

Well you are just not curious enough. It is written. You can read. Perhaps it will not fit you ideals. But, then personal feelings/logic does not change what you will find...."anointed ones" to be. Christ=anointed.....Christian=anointed ones.

Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
---Trav on 10/30/09


Curious one, Bible-believing Christians believe similarly about the important issues. That Adam rebelled against Gods authority, causing the curse. God's solution was to come as man to pay the price for this sin of rebellion by dying upon the cross.

We can be forgiven if we accept we have sinned against God's authority. From His sacrifice comes our salvation and eternal life.

This is what Scripture says over and over. This free gift is offered to all.

Don't assume all those who claim to be Christian are. On this site are people from various nonChristian cults and others who claim to be Christian but don't believe the Bible.

Read the Bible carefully and you will see that I have not interpreted, but reported.
---Warwick on 10/30/09


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Hi Warwick- that's fine that the Bible is your authority. You interpret it one way and another Christian interprets it another way. You may be right or he may be right. Or neither of you are right. There's no way to know for sure who is right. A pity.
---Curious.one on 10/29/09


Tom well put, "WE DONT STAND IN JUDGEMENT OF SCRIPTURE,AKA THE WORD,SCRIPTURE STANDS IN JUDGEMENT OF US."
---Warwick on 10/29/09


warwick difining guide.good answer,my favorit analogy has always been stated as follows,and is an answer for the many people who claim to be christian,yet constantly interupt scripture to suit their lifestyle,WE DONT STAND IN JUDGEMENT OF SCRIPTURE,AKA THE WORD,SCRIPTURE STANDS IN JUDGEMENT OF US.the word reveals God to us and the sin in our lives.It is not a book to be interupted for hustifying our choices.
---tom2 on 10/29/09


Curious.one surely Scripture is our defining guide for what it means to be a Christian. What else? Peoples opinion? Surely not!
---Warwick on 10/29/09


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I was a sinner living my own lifestyle the way I wanted to live and put my self first. One morning I was born again and my life started changing and has never stopped. Trying to live by the fruits of the Holy Spirit love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control on a daily basis will give others a good role model of a Christian. Let your light shine before others. I think forgiving should have been included in the fruits. God exalts the humble and is opposed to the proud.
---Bob on 10/28/09


There are so many hundreds of Christian sects that it is not possible to know what a Christian is. A pity.
---Curious.one on 10/28/09


a follower of christ,a believer that he was,and is the promised messiah,the son of God,the lamb who took the sin of the world,died and was raised on the third day,and much more.
---tom2 on 10/28/09


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