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Outpouring Of The Holy Spirit

In the Bible, God speaks of pouring out HIS spirit on ALL flesh in the last days( Joel 2:28-29 & Acts 2:17-18). Does this mean only on people already saved or does it literally mean everyone? (Please give scripture for study and reference)

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Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Mat 5:26

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Does this say all in the sea, all in hell? No!
It clearly says "whosoever was not found written in the book of life."
Its also says "they were judged!" Obviously! You have found them guilty.

Please, Forgive Me!
---TheSeg on 11/3/09


Thank you G, It was my pleasure, and you are quite welcome.
---Josef on 11/3/09


\\ Question? For---TheSeg
A person dies lost, goes to hell, when then will he bow his knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord??
---mima on 11/2/09\\

The Bible says EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I presume this happens at the Judgement Seat--which we ALL will face.

Obviously, for those in hell it was too late to do them any good.

And doubtless the experience for them was like hot burning coals of fire on their heads.
---Cluny on 11/2/09


You said the person is lost, you said the person die, you said the person go to hell.
all I said is what in the bible.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
You like so many ask the wrong questions. You ask and do not receive because you ask amiss.
By this, am I now saying I know more then you, no? I am saying I can believe more then you do.
God, his Christ and his spirit, tell me to leave all judgments up to him. But not you, you want me to judge a person you are sending to hell.
God bless you, mima!
---TheSeg on 11/2/09


Question? For---TheSeg
A person dies lost, goes to hell, when then will he bow his knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord??
---mima on 11/2/09




I dont know why I believe the way I do.
But, either do I question God power over all.
If God said I will darken their eyes so they can not see.
I believe no matter what you do they will not see!

The lord said we must confess and repent.
Some say its not just confessing, and I agree.
I dont think you can or even will confess without repentances.
Why would you confess if you are not repenting with your sin?

But for these words!
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then its everyone!
Like I said I dont question God power!
GodBless
---TheSeg on 11/2/09


earl 2 continue: That's why the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unrighteousness, because when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God. Romans 1 says, its not that people who believe in God can thereby be saved, but that people have enough knowledge about God for God has revealed Himself through revelation of creation, and conscience, to know Him, and knowning about Him doesn't save them, but potentially damns them. So, knowing God isn't sufficient to save you, but it is sufficient to damn you. What about 1 John 1:9? I believe that Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world, and when you live up to the light you have, God gives you more light. But they don't live up to that light, so it damns them.
---MarkV. on 11/2/09


"does it literally mean everyone? Yes, as in availability.
"They of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." Act 10:45
"I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]." Eze 36:27 applies to whomsoever will allow the door of their minds to be opened for His entrance.
"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they 'that believe on him' should receive: John 7:39, Tts. 2:11>3:3-5
Josef on 11/1/09

Thank you so much!
---g on 11/2/09


earl, you said I say,
"But you say spirit is not in man unless man allows spirit in"
No. I never said that at all. In fact I say what you said here:
"No man can be convinced by another that God is real only God can convince the man he exists and to do this God's presence in his thoughts is required.Man is unable to ponder the true reality of God unless God presents the reality is true."
That I believe in. There is no salvation in any other than Jesus Christ. For by grace you are saved through faith. That faith must be directed towards Jesus Christ. What Romans 1 says is, that God has revealed Himself to such a degree that everyone is responsible for the revelation.
---MarkV. on 11/2/09


Markv,
I have read your reply to -g and my question is when a person begins to seek out God how does he do it?
Spirit is not visible so he cannot look here or there.
Does one hear voices from heaven when one experiences rebirth?
Can one feel with their hands and tell himself what is spirit?
Where is God when a man needs him?
Is God one foot away or two?
But you say spirit is not in man unless man allows spirit in.No man can be convinced by another that God is real only God can convince the man he exists and to do this God's presence in his thoughts is required.Man is unable to ponder the true reality of God unless God presents the reality is true.
---earl on 11/1/09




g, again you are reading the passage wrong in John 1:9. It does not say that the Spirit endwells every person, but that enough light, "Photizo" to bring understanding, information of God, is given to everyone so that they are without excuse. Every man has enough light (understanding) to be responsible. God has planted His knowledge in man through general revelation in creation and conscience, the result is general revelation, which does not produce salvation but either leads to the complete light of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such "light" Rom. 1:19,20, 2:12-16).
---MarkV. on 11/1/09


g, if you read both passages carefully, you'll see we've been in the "last days" for the last 2000 years or so.

These passages are NOT talking about something that will happen in an apocalyptic future.

In other words, Acts 2 is CLEARLY the fulfillment of Joel 2.
---Cluny on 11/1/09


Markv,Who indwelt Satan prior to his defection from God?
Was it John that said God is in all things?
And does not John say that the true light lighteth every man that comes into the world.Jo.1.9.
Man searches a whole lifetime searching for something that is already within him-the spirit of God.One cannot come to know God if God is not already present in one's personal thinking.To think God is far off is backwards in that to have a experience with God ,God then must already be present making himself avaliable for one to be reborn of spirit.Every day man rejects the spirit because man knows the spirit is present in his thoughts-man is God conscious but rejects salvation.
---earl on 11/1/09


earl, thank you for reminding me that God is Omnipresent, to be everywhere at one time. Thats always been true. But that is not your fault, your fault is, you believe the Holy Spirit endwells everyone which tells me that He endwells Satan, demons and the lost, they are just not hungry or thirsty. Wrong.
The Holy Spirits ministry does tells us He is present everywhere, but not in the hearts of the lost, Satan, or his demons. Only the one's endwelled by the Spirit are genuine believers who are baptized by the Spirit into one body with Christ as the Head of that body, which makes the Spiritual Church. Satan, the demons, or the lost, are not part of that body. You need to read Scripture correctly.
---MarkV. on 11/1/09


"...does it literally mean everyone? Yes, as in availability.
"They of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." Act 10:45
" I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]." Eze 36:27 applies to whomsoever will allow the door of their minds to be opened for His entrance.
"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they 'that believe on him' should receive: John 7:39 See also Tts. 2:11>3:3-5
---Josef on 11/1/09


Markv,The spirit is everywhere within the thinking of everyone.It is a matter if one is hungry or thirsty enough to drink the water of life.
All people have a spirit presence and this is how all of our life records are brought to judgement.
Again ,as it reads,"I will pour out my spirit on all flesh."
Because spirit indwells a person it does not mean one responds to the spirit calling them home.The spirit is avaliable 24-7 for the one in need of salvation.
God places himself in all mankind so that at judgement no one can say God was not there trying to call the sinner home.
---earl on 10/31/09


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Those whom were choosen,do believe and are as follows and much more... God the Holy Spirit not only indwells a saint but sseals them and much more...
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:
---steven-rem7000 on 10/31/09


--G The Bible says the only way to God is through his son Jesus Christ. Acts 2:17 & 18 Peter was telling the people that the Spirit would be poured out on all flesh,actually its those who come to Jesus and believe. In the Old Testament only Prophets,Kings,and Priests received the Holy Ghost or Spirit to enable,anoint them to minister. Notice it speaks of prophesy,visions,dreams,those things would now be given and used by all who come to Christ and receive the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with God choosing who would minister in that way. It was no longer limited to Prophets,Priests,and Kings. It fact to put it simply Peter was saying its a new day,and its a new way.
---Darlene_1 on 10/31/09


Earl, sorry but the Holy Spirit only endwells believers that have faith in the works of Christ. If the Spirit endwells all human beings then everyone is born of the Spirit and are still lost and that is not scripture. It is for all nations in the fact that people from every nation will be able to receive the Spirit if they come to Christ. Before, the only one's who were access was the nation of Israel. But now it's open for all people from all nations.
---MarkV. on 10/31/09


The outpouring of his spirit is the "promise"that was made to Abraham-Ga.3.8.all nations shall be blessed.
The comforter,spirit of Truth, the "promise" is the spirit that fulfilled the "law and the prophets".The prophets testimony of a future event was delivered at pentecost and was poured out upon all flesh.
---earl on 10/31/09


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g, after reading the whole context, this passage is not speaking about all flesh all over the world because the context was speaking about "Your sons and your daughters" so it refers to the house of Israel only. It cannot be all other nations since they are the recipients of God's wrath. Later we find that the wrath of God will come on the awesome Day of the Lord in v.31.
Acts 2:17-18 is also speaking about Israel only. Since after quoting Joel in v. 22 he continues, "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know"
---MarkV. on 10/31/09


Yes since Pentecost & that's when God's Church was born according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20.
The Holy-Ghost is the same as Jesus knocking on every one's hearts door, Not every one will envite let Him in. The Holy-Ghost falls on All, But, Not every one will accept the Holy-Ghost, which Is part of God's Salvation. Jesus told Nicodemas, you must be born again, born of water & of the Spirit. Holy-Ghost which came on Pentecost.
---Lawrence on 10/29/09


The child who rejects their parent cannot receive the goodness which comes from a tight relationship, but the child loving their parent receives all good things from their parent. The Greek word is better and accurately translated in many places as, "individuals" or "individual persons" or "each" or "whosoever". rather than "all". "But the natural person recieves not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to that one: neither can know that one, because they are spiritually discerned." II Cor.2:14. As one will be taken and the other one left: some like a sponge accept God's Spirit and are saved, and many like a stone harden themselves against him and are consdemned.
---Eloy on 10/29/09


Sorry Lawrence but how can it just pertain to God's people?
Please explain that. These verses seem to me to say that God's Spirit will fall on ALL flesh. I have been told that because God is everywhere that he can cause his Spirit to motivate anyone saved or unsaved to speak his word.
I am inclined to agree with Cluny on this.
But anyway, can you give me reference to where it only pertains to God's people?
Also, doesn't this contridict what Calvinists believe? That God will only call the elect(made some to be saved and some not). Not trying to start an arguement but is does seem like it. By the way, I may come back and post again because I haven't had a chance to look at the scripture you posted.
---g on 10/29/09


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You've answered your own question.

St. Peter's own interpretation, spoken under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, of Joel 2 given in Acts 2 means that we've been in the last days ever since Pentecost.
---Cluny on 10/29/09


Is reffering to God's Church, Is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt. 28 v's 19-20. To who so ever will accept God's Salvation Plan, But, all will Not accept. Matt. 7 v 14. Strait is the gate & narrow is way & be but few to find it(receive it). BROAD is the way that leadeth to destruction & many it shall be(the unbelievers of God's only Salvation Plan).
---Lawrence on 10/29/09


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