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Bible Is Hard To Understand

For many the Bible is difficult to understand. Why? Is it given for everyone to understand?

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Warwick ... I don't think you will get anywhere by asking Atheist "did you approach, and do you now relate to your wife, in the way you approach and deal with God?"

Atheist knows that his wife exists, he does not know God exists.

He can't approach God "with the respect and humility the creature should display towards the Creator", if he does not acknowledge the existence, or even the possibility of the existence, of a creator.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/10/09


As regards Lot et al, we have a significant advantage. We have God's finished word, especially the NT.
I do not mean this rudely but you are spiritually blind and cannot see what God is doing today.
---Warwick on 11/10/09

Most denoms are limited/restricted to their understanding seeing dimly,if at all. Ask for two or more witnesses in scripture to back any statement anyone makes. Ask for a prophetic statement....then you can really weed out the garden and see the fruit.....if you are drawn. Met no one here or any preacher that knows GOD was married. Ore cares! How blind, can not seeing get?
3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you: 3:20...husband
---Trav on 11/10/09


Atheist: God is real. He talks with me often. You are spiritually blind because of where you are coming from, i cannot blame you. God spoke to me as close as 11/04/2009. Though you do not believe God, if you ask God a question sincerely from your heart, i promise you God will answer you and you will know it is not from the confusion of your head or heart. Try it! Test God.
---Adetunji on 11/10/09


Atheist did you approach, and do you now relate to your wife, in the way you approach and deal with God?

I think Leon's point is good. When we approach God with the respect and humility the creature should display towards the Creator, then and only then can we understand. Otherwise when we approach God, as you do, it is all darkness.

As regards Lot et al, we have a significant advantage. We have God's finished word, especially the NT. We also have the finished work of the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit. All handed to us 'on a plate.'

I do not mean this rudely but you are spiritually blind and cannot see what God is doing today. And that the final judgement is coming.
---Warwick on 11/10/09


Many find the Bible difficult to understand because they want to understand God based upon their understanding (idea) of who they think God is. Everyone could understand the Bible if we all were willing to relate to & understand God's ways are higher than ours. So, we need God to explain the Bible so we may truely understand it! UNDERSTAND? :)
---Leon on 11/10/09




Warwick,

Woo god. Really?!

The bible details moment to moment interventions in people's lives, but now he does nothing? He turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt the moment she looked over her shoulder, but now ignores unconscionable acts on scales more numerous and horridous than anything 'biblical'.

No this is truly bizarre!

Have an explanation, other the 'god does what 'god' does?
---atheist on 11/10/09


Atheist you presume God does not speak to us today. However He does speak to us today, through His word, the Bible, and through the Holy Spirit. What more do we need?

I believe you are a married man. I trust you approached, and courted, and continue with your wife, via a different attitude than that which you have towards God? Assuming you have a right attitude towards your wife I humbly suggest you approach God in this same spirit. I also assume that over the time you have known your wife she has continued to reveal more and more of herself to you? This only comes with time, love, and patience. But you want God to 'spill it all,' even while you insist He does not exist!

This is truly bizarre!
---Warwick on 11/9/09


atheist: "...the bible tells us that god once spoke to people, why is it presumptious to ask why he is not talking now?"

Throughout all of history God has spoken to only a few (the prophets and the apostles) because most people were not listening or didn't want to listen. God does speak to his people even today, but because true love has gone the way of the dinosaur only a few are listening and taking action (doing the will of the Father).

It's unfortunate that most christians will mock a person who says that he has an deep relationship with God including having intimate conversations. Christians will even mock the two prophets mentioned in Revelation because the prophets don't adhere to their denomination doctrines.
---Steveng on 11/9/09


Warwick,

If the bible is the word of god, and god exists, and the bible tells us that god once spoke to people, why is it presumptious to ask why he is not talking now?

The bible details moment to moment interventions in people's lives, but now he does nothing? He turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt the moment she looked over her shoulder, but now ignores unconscionable acts on scales more numerous and horridous than anything 'biblical'.

It is presumptious of you to ignore the obvious question...why?
---atheist on 11/9/09


Atheist, yes indeed He gave us the Bible which is 'unambiguous about his existence and his expectations of man.'

What do you have to point you in the correct direction? Your intelligence? If intelligence is the key then why don't all of the intelligensia believe as you?

Of course you don't see it, as I do not understand Swahili, or Urdu, or Farsi, or Tagalog, as I have not studied these languages. I do understand French, for example, the result of long and patient study.

Those who have submitted to Christ also have the Holy Spirit to guide them. It is presumptious of you to speak so confidently of something currently outside your understanding.
---Warwick on 11/9/09




Warwick,

According to your interpretation of scripture 'God' is 'unambiguous about his existence and his expectations of man', but I certainly do not see that.

And if 'God' exists why is he not 'unambiguous about his existence and his expectations of man' today?

Oh, right--- 'he' left the Bible which is 'unambiguous about his existence and his expectations of man'

So he doesn't have to talk to us now...When did got get so lazy and uncommunicative?
---atheist on 11/9/09


Atheist you wrote 'Case Three: There is a 'god', omnipotent, omnipresent and loving. He does not allow Case Two to happen and is unabiguous about his existence and his expectations of man.

This is the God portrayed in Scripture. And He is indeed 'unambiguous about his existence and his expectations of man.'

I know many children who have no problem understanding this.

Because you persist here means, to me, that God is obviously on your case, so please listen to Him. Otherwise you are intentionally walking to hell, against God's desire for you.
---Warwick on 11/9/09


1.Christians would be totally confused if entire bible wrote like you.
2.In fact, it would have died out ....
(as a technical writer, though, and guidance from Holy Spirit I understand you, but most people would not)
---Steveng on 11/6/09

Yeah, mine are kinda 125 word parables. If you see scripture you get it.
I write/look for for sheep, Matt 15:24-10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of house of Israel.

1. Most are totally doctrinally/confused by scripture anyway. Only GOD can clear this up.
2. True from a novel point of view....truth as you know it is understood completely the witnesses and parables. Matthew 13:13
, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
---Trav on 11/9/09


Alan, thanks for the clarification. I think I missed the point of your original comment!
---Warwick on 11/8/09


Warwick ... You said "Only the elected few? Not so"

I was just agreeing with you.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/8/09


Cluny, God went to kill Moses' son, and not Moses. "And came to pass by the way of the inn, that yhwh met him, and sought his to kill, so Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and made touch at his feet, and said, You caused my bridegroom bloodshed. So he withdrew from him: then she said, A bridegroom of blood becasue of circumcision." Ex.4:24-26. Please Refer to God's circumcision covenant- "And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul will be cut off from his people, he has broken my covenant." Genesis 17:14.
---Eloy on 11/8/09


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What is wrong with God loving what He created? He did not have to ask anyone how to create. His nature is Love. And all He does is righteous. Who has the guts to say to Him, "Why does He still find fault?"
For who has resisted His will? But indeed O man, who are you to reply against God?" will the thing form say to Him who formed it, 'why have you made me like this? Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

You try to judge God by your sinful humanistic views. He is above anyone, didn't He say, "Nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls?"
---MarkV. on 11/8/09


Alan, thanks for your reply. Sadly I do not understand your point. Too much racing fuel fumes possibly!
---Warwick on 11/7/09


cluny is right on this one, "God tried to kill Moses," except that He didn't try, but was going to until Zipporah stepped in and circumcised his son, for as yet Moses had not followed the circumcision of Abraham. Therefore, he was not in the promise of Abraham at that time.
---tommy3007 on 11/7/09


Trav: 1.No GOD? No Rules. Blessing/Curse rules came from Man?.
2.Proof? Rules applied ended with blessings like you enjoy. Flip side society's with no rules. No blessings.
3.Proof? In your pocket/stomach. Your Saftey/freedom to believe as you like and to write here.
Technology/computer you're using. Etc, etc over 70 historical witnessed evidences of obey rules...and you win. You don't even believe and enjoy. Also stated. #71 mark."

Christians would be totally confused if the entire bible wrote like you. In fact, it would have died out a long time ago. Write complete sentences so people can understand. (as a technical writer, though, and guidance from the Holy Spirit I do understand you, but most people would not)
---Steveng on 11/6/09


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Trav,

I am sorry, but I don't quite get your point.

But for your information I do not treat my wife like a possession or a dog?

Is that what you were saying?
---atheist on 11/6/09


Case Three: A GOD: omnipotent, omnipresent loving.
He does not allow Case Two to happen---atheist on 11/6/09

Own a dog? Ur Dog my dog too? Can I instuct you how and what to do with your dog. NO dog? A wife. Is she mine too? Or yours....exclusively.

Kinda back at square one.

1.No GOD? No Rules. Blessing/Curse rules came from Man?.
2.Proof? Rules applied ended with blessings like you enjoy. Flip side society's with no rules. No blessings.
3.Proof? In your pocket/stomach. Your Saftey/freedom to believe as you like and to write here.
Technology/computer you're using. Etc, etc over 70 historical witnessed evidences of obey rules...and you win. You don't even believe and enjoy. Also stated. #71 mark.
---Trav on 11/6/09


Case One: There is no 'god'. But some believe there is, pray, consult scripture, believe they get guidance, comfort and inspiration from 'god', live their lives accordingly, and the world is a little better off because of it.

Case Two: There is no 'god'. But some believe there is, pray, consult scripture, believe they get guidance, comfort and inspiration from 'god', but because of their peculiar perhaps insane conclusions commit horrific acts believing 'god' supports them in their endevors.

Case Three: There is a 'god', omnipotent, omnipresent and loving. He does not allow Case Two to happen and is unabiguous about his existence and his expectations of man.
---atheist on 11/6/09


To a Christian is morality mediated by what's in one's head? Or the truth he thinks he gets from the Holy Spirit?
---atheist on 11/5/09

Place for word meaning. Christ, annointed one..of GOD. Christian..means believer of same or annointed as well. Not all are annointed of GOD. Not all have laws written by GOD in heart/minds. Can they be adopted? Are there benefits to these laws? Well duh,you believe/honor yourself...as least some you refer too. Question is...are they written in you or learned?
10This is covenant I will make with house of Israel
after that time, declares Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, they will be my people.
---Trav on 11/6/09


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Atheist: God, the Holy Spirit doesn't tell or give anyone license to do what's contrary to Scripture (what the Bible teaches). That's how one can know it's from the Holy Spirit.

Hope that clears the matter up for you. :)
---Leon on 11/6/09


In ancient times, God revealed Himself PARTIALLY (heavenly Father only) to nation of Israel.

In modern times (2000 years ago), God sent His Son and revealed Himself FULLY (Father AND Son) to ALL humanity.
---more_excellent_way on 11/4/09

Well this sound so vaguely good. To be so wrong.

1. There would have been no need for parables.
2. Not supported in scripture or by any prophet.
3. Moses knew of Christ, Joseph knew, Abraham knew, David knew,etc
4. Yes, in very end he will be revealed to all.

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto lost sheep of house of Israel.
John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep
---Trav on 11/6/09


A lots books are considered difficult by some persons because of lack of interest or lack of knowledge of the principles necessary to understand the books(physics, mathematics etc for example). The Bible is a book of faith. If the readers heart is not in ( or not ready to try to be in) alignment or conformity with the Spirit that inspired the Bible, then that reader will never understand the Bible. The Lord Jesus instructs on 3 things that prevent people from understanding the word of God viz: (1) Satan removes the word from their heart by occupying their heart with many other things (2) tribulation and persecution for trying to be a believer (3) care of the world & deceitfulness of riches Matt.13.
---Adetunji on 11/5/09


So,

If someone through the Holy Spirit, (or per Leon, "When you read Scripture, if you really want to understand, you must let God lead you in understanding, knowledge & wisdom", concludes that Once Saved Always Saved, then their future actions are forgiven based on that belief?

Is this not a license to kill and commit any number of atrocities based on what one believes the Holy Spirit told them?

If through the same means others conclude that one can lose salvation, and live accordingly, are they right too?

To a Christian is morality mediated by what's in one's head? Or the truth he thinks he gets from the Holy Spirit?
---atheist on 11/5/09


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Warwick ... YES

And God made us in His image. And tells us in the Bible how we should love our neighbours. Jesus did not say, just a few of our neighbours.

If God wants us to love all, is it likely that the version of love which He uses Himself, is to love only a selected few?

I'm sure God does not say, "do as I say, not as I do" Would God not practice what He preaches?

Enjoy your racing!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/5/09


Leon, Problem with your "theory" is H.S. doesn't lead people astray,right?
Your study has led you to believe that God burns humans forever (literaly) which , of course is not true,so H.S. has not helped you in this study!
What most people imagine that H.S. is leading them is their own vivid imagination!
Proof= some say OSAS others , you can lose salvation ...same H.S. conflicting doctrine!
---1st_cliff on 11/4/09


God is spirit and your learning is spiritual, not intellectual. The Holy Spirit will reveal things to you according to The Fathers will and timing. When trying to understand God, it is always good to use the Family as a physical example of Heavens family. Your parents would not have given you everything they knew at once, but would slowly disperse knowledge to you as you grow. So it is the same with the Father. Remember also he is doing it for his purpose for you, and that will not be your purpose. So study what you can and pray for understanding and wisdom. It will be given to you.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/4/09


In ancient times, God revealed Himself PARTIALLY (heavenly Father only) to the nation of Israel.

In modern times (2000 years ago), God sent His Son and revealed Himself FULLY (Father AND Son) to ALL humanity.

2 John verse 9
"he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father AND the Son".

The world calls the bible the "word of God", but it is not, the bible is the doctrine of His Son.

God has only kept this secret hidden from the insincere who would profane His glory and present Him to others like a mathematical/chemical/intellectual formula (defaming Him before those who would LOVE Him).

God reserved His secrets for those who would LOVE Him, not for those who would BOOK Him.
---more_excellent_way on 11/4/09


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Actually, the scripture is easy to understand, there are a few hard parts, but over all it is very simple to understand.

The problem is we interpret it, and we use (abuse) translations that are very different. If God's word says it is a parable, it is a parable.
---Aulbert on 11/4/09


Alan I always turn to Scripture which says " The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9. Not wanting anyone to perish means only the elect can be saved? Not so!

"that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Whoever believes-only the elect? Not so!

Jesus also said "Come unto me, all you that labour, and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest" Matthew 11:28. All that labour and are heavy-laden! Only the elected few? Not so.

Gotta go, off car racing.
---Warwick on 11/4/09


Dear SusieH:

Circumcision is of the fathers per you savior's lips!

John 7:21 Jesus answered and said to
them, I did one work, and ye all marvel. 22 Therefore Moses hath given you :circumcision (not that it is of :Moses but of the fathers), and on a
Sabbath ye circumcise a man.

Are you teachings coming from the Holy Spirit bring to your remembrance all that Christ said unto you? Per John 14:26 Or are you being taught the precept of men? Please make sure is not the latter.

Words in the parenthesis are of the Scriptures not mine.
---95949594 on 11/4/09


Warwick ... 'Consider John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Isn't this absolutely clear?'

Well, Warwick, I would have thought so.

But it seems from some here that only a very select few are chosen, and thus permitted to believe.

So what seems to me to be one of the great promises in the Bible, is a promise for only a very few elect
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/4/09


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Ever play the game of telephone?
For those who haven't,
People are gathered in a circle.One person thinks of a statement,whispers it on to the person next to them,this continues to the last person in the circle who repeats the statement out loud,it's usually inaccurate.

God's Word never changes,it's known and confirmed by God alone.

From the beginning before things were written,they where spoken and passed down.
When written, it was done in pictorgraphs,first.
There is not one human today who knows all truth.
We are instructed to seek,and we will find.
The challenge might be loving and forgiving with brotherly love while in the process.

The Word of God became flesh and dwelt amoung us.
---char on 11/4/09


Atheist I believe you are confused because you believe all bloggers here, are Bible-believing Christians. Just as experts can tell where a person was born by their accent, committed Christians can discern those who are not true Christians.


If you genuinely seek understanding find a conservative Christian church and see if they have a Bible study for beginners. Without the confusing chorus here, apply yourself to the systematic study of Scripture.

Having once been in your position I can understand how baffling it all appears.

Consider John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Isn't this absolutely clear?
---Warwick on 11/4/09


For me,the best way to learn the Bible is, get a good reference Bible and run the references for the verses. Once you have a good reference Bible be sure to set aside time every day to read and study that Bible. I was in my early 20s when I started to do that and Bible verses I had heard most of my life became clearer. What one needs to find is the relationship of the Old Testament and the New Testament which will cause the whole Bible to make more sense when you understand that. In my research I found the NT reference would lead me right back to the OT and vice-verse. I think the largest percent can understand when they create a Biblical data base in their heads by study. Galatians 3:24-the Law (OT)was our schoolmaster,to bring us to Christ.
---Darlene_1 on 11/4/09


Why would 'god' leave such an unclear/hidden record of his 'word' and leave it for each to determine what that 'word' is? Why not make it unmistakably clear and certain to all, and see who follows? Why punish those who can't figure it out?
---atheist on 11/4/09

Because it is not universal. He chose one people. Whole of scripture is written by, too and for the people it is talking too. Israel. It is their past present and future. Judah an other 12 nations of.
If drawn..ask...him...you will get an answer.

Have you been punished? Do you know anyone that has died and came back and told you they were being punished by and unjust GOD? No you don't. It's not Biblical. Man leverages with this doctrine.
---Trav on 11/4/09


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"Whenever you read scripture you must determine if what you read is Literal, Figurative, Prophetic or Symbolic!" Cliff, 11/3

NO! When you read Scripture, if you really want to understand, you must let God lead you in understanding, knowledge & wisdom. (Jn. 14:26, 1 Cor. 2:6-16) This isn't a self-taught (interpreted, determined) course, as many suppose, Cliff. :)
---Leon on 11/4/09


"Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you..." (Jas. 4:1-8)

"...God is not mocked..." (Gal. 6:7)
---Leon on 11/4/09

Hear! Hear!

LEON, God Bless you!!! We know the Knowledge and Wisdom is IN Christ Jesus, and one must be IN CHRIST to draw near to God as well!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/09


"Whenever you read scripture you must determine if what you read is Literal, Figurative, Prophetic or Symbolic!" Cliff, 11/3

NO! When you read Scripture, if you really want to understand, you must let God lead you in understanding, knowledge & wisdom. (Jn. 14:26, 1 Cor. 2:6-16) This isn't a self-taught (interpreted, determined) course, as many suppose, Cliff. :)
---Leon on 11/4/09


"Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you..." (Jas. 4:1-8)

"...God is not mocked..." (Gal. 6:7)
---Leon on 11/4/09


"Its is really hidden. God hid the meaning and it is only the Holy Spirit who gives us the right interpretation. Jesus speaks in Parables intentionally for others not to understand."

"God didn't put all His secrets right out in the open so that just ANYONE could find them."

"It requires patience, but as Scripture says those submitted to Christ have the Holy Spirit to guide them."

Why would 'god' leave such an unclear/hidden record of his 'word' and leave it for each to determine what that 'word' is? Why not make it unmistakably clear and certain to all, and see who follows? Why punish those who can't figure it out?
---atheist on 11/4/09


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Also don't assume that all those who blog here are Christian.

I would not be surprized if you think this nonesense, just as I once did. But you can know the Truth, and it will set you free!
---Warwick on 11/3/09

Your fundamentals are fairy-tale stuff. Intellect cannot believe it...it's not true. Real meat belongs to others.

He cannot come or see if he is not drawn. You don't see certain truths...so you cannot predict he will.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Now he may be drawn....he should look elswhere for truth.
---Trav on 11/4/09


Its is really hidden. God hid the meaning and it is only the Holy Spirit who gives us the right interpretation. Jesus speaks in Parables intentionally for others not to understand. All scripture were inspired by Holy Spirit.Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
---ROSALIE on 11/3/09


God didn't put all His secrets right out in the open so that just ANYONE could find them.

God even provided a "strong delusion" (but nobody ever even recognized that). He also provided an abundance of parables for all the intellectuals to play with...

Mark 4:11
"but for those outside everything is in parables".

There is a second message in the bible (a deeper message, "DEPTHS of God", if you really are sincere, make the effort and look it up), but only the peaceful and just who have a 'kingdom of peace' (heaven) in them will be able to understand that deeper message with an INNER understanding.

Many people (Christians especially) rather be judgemental towards their neighbor.
---more_excellent_way on 11/3/09


Atheist, Steven is right. Many try to understand Scripture by force of intellect, 'instead of spiritually.' It requires patience, but as Scripture says those submitted to Christ have the Holy Spirit to guide them.

Also Jesus said He used parables so people would not understand-Luke 8:10-strange thing to say. I believe it means Jesus was aware some followed Him for wrong reasons, thrill seekers awaiting the next miracle. Those He wants are those who pursue, for genuine reasons, and come to understand by patient study and reflection.

Also don't assume that all those who blog here are Christian.

I would not be surprized if you think this nonesense, just as I once did. But you can know the Truth, and it will set you free!
---Warwick on 11/3/09


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I wrote that one late at night. The bottom line here is that Christians need to do their own research and not default to Pastors as the final word and authority. They are not! Too many Christian do this and do not question or think for themselves. We are all Priests ALL OF US! and the responsibility ultimately lies with you. So you have one Teacher that is the Holy Spirit and one book The Bible and then you have Prayer. That is what you use to learn, grow, and proliferate the Gospel. I have heard too many times Well Preacher I leave that up to you. NO, use your brain and study. Be like the Berean Jews(Acts 17:10-11). God reveals to babes what he will not reveal to the intellectual. So be a child in your studies. A child of God.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/4/09


\\ Master of Divinity / PHD in Theology etc.etc. are extremely minor tools. God disdains the intellectual and reveals to babes things he would not reveal to intellectuals....\\

This is usaally said by those who have neither degrees nor great intellects. Could there be a touch of jealousy?

|| The knowledge of Pastors,Theologians is rubbish.||

Since you identify yourself as a Pastor, Jim, does tnis mean your knowledge is rubbish, too?
---Cluny on 11/3/09


Pastor Jim, ** and I'm a preacher** We are all commanded to "Go therefore and make disciples...teaching them.."
Some are better at it than others!
Whenever you read scripture you must determine if what you read is Literal,Figurative, Prophetic or Symbolic!
Problems arise when one takes the symbolic/figurative to be literal!
---1st_cliff on 11/3/09


atheist: "...why does he provide such an unclear, ambiguous, and debateable 'word' as the Bible?"

It's not His fault, it's people's fault (not including the writers of the bible). If the bible was read through the eyes of a child, then it would be easy to read. People, especially today's people, have too much knowledge - even the definitions of words have quadripled over the past 100 years. With this knowledge comes ambiguity. With this ambiguity comes a plethora af meanings of verses and phrases found in the bible. Christians try too hard to understand the bible in a worldly sort of way instead of spiritually - as you tell by reading the many opinions of these blogs. The christian life was so much simpler before World War II.
---Steveng on 11/3/09


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Atheist --- You've asked a good question here and it's a source of frustration to genuine seeking Christians as well. Some parts of the Bible are pretty straightforward and easy to understand (the most important things), but much of it is not. We have to be aware always, that because He is "omniscient and omnipresent as well" we are not capable of fully understanding Him or all that he knows. That's what makes Him God and us "not" God.
There's always more to learn. (Despite some know-it-alls) None of us, including you, will get through this life with all mysteries solved.
---Donna66 on 11/3/09


If 'god' had the power to create everything out of nothing, thus being omnipotent, and if he is omniscient and omnipresent as well, why does he provide such an unclear, ambiguous, and debateable 'word' as the Bible?

Why doesn't he show clearly what he wants? According to many here, many others are going to 'hell' because they are reading the wrong 'word' or interpreting that 'word' incorrectly. And of course they are billions of people who have no contact with the 'word'.
---atheist on 11/3/09


"I don't believe anybody understands the whole of the Bible." Donna66, 11/2

True Donna! The more I learn, the more I realize there are things I don't know. :) The depths of God's word (the Bible) are unfathomable. But, it contains data the simplest of minds (souls) can understand.

I believe our sole (soul) mission in life is to walk in what God reveals to each of us from the Bible & leave the rest to Him. Some souls know more than others. But, since God isn't a respecter of persons, we're all equal in His sight & are tasked to fulfill our individual God-given purpose (mission).

Bottomline: I don't have to know everything so long as I know the One who knows everything -- OMNISCIENT GOD!
---Leon on 11/3/09


"Moses...(didn't obey God)." SuzieH, 11/2

Yes Suzie! From Gen.-Rev. the Bible is full of accounts showing individuals & groups of people who were "KILLED" by God for their disobedience.

For example: The flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, Dathan... & the rebellious nation Israel in the wilderness, the thief Achan & his whole family, lying Ananias & Sapphira, etc., etc.

Note: The Lord ultimately didn't let Moses go into the Promised Land because of what? --DISOBEDIENCE (sin)!
---Leon on 11/3/09


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Bible version matters. From the King James

Exodus 4:24-26
"And it came to pass by the way in the inn,
that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.

Then Zipporah took a sharp stone,
and cut off the foreskin of her son,
and cast it at his feet,
and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

So He let him go:

then she said,
A bloody husband thou art,
because of the circumcision."


Circumcision was commanded in the Old Covenant.
Moses had not performed this on his son (didn't obey God). Moses' wife was resisting it, and only after the Lord was going to kill Moses did the wife do what she was supposed to do. Then the Lord let Moses go, because of obedience.
---SuzieH on 11/2/09


StevenG, you're right on the money!

Master of Divinity / PHD in Theology etc.etc. are extremely minor tools. God disdains the intellectual and reveals to babes things he would not reveal to intellectuals. This is why I have posted several times and preached not to allow your Pastor to be a final word. Check it on your own. All someone can offer with a degree, is historical, archaeological language. But little else. Those are side tools. You have only one teacher that is the Holy Spirit. The knowledge of Pastors,Theologians is rubbish. Read the Book and pray often. That should be your only source of learning the will of God. Hmm? And I'm a preacher.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/2/09


God loves you so much and gave the Holy Spirit to help you understand the bible
---TIMOTHY on 11/3/09


"The fear (Awe & reverence) of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge:" Prov.1:7 and wisdom, A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. Psalm 111:10
Without knowledge there can be no understanding. As knowledge increases, understanding increases. Complete knowledge of the LORD is for man unobtainable in this limited lifetime of 120 years, therefore mans understanding of His Word will also be finite, however it is only as difficult as one determines it to be.
"The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, [Love Him and your fellow man] because this applies to every person." Eccl.12:13 And is easily understood by all.
---Josef on 11/3/09


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\\ In fact, the Old English found in the KJV version is more accurate than today's English.\\

The English of the KJV is NOT Old English, aka Anglo-Saxon. (Look up Cademon's Hymn for an example.)

It's not even the Middle English of Chaucer.

It IS Modern English--though not contemporary idiom.

And what do you mean by "more accurate"? ALL languages exactly express what they intend to convey.

For example, I seriously doubt you could discuss computer technology limiting yourself to the diction and vocabulary of the KJV.
---Cluny on 11/2/09


I don't believe anybody understands the whole of the Bible. The most learned scholar, if he is honest and humble, will admit there are things in scripture that he doesn't understand.

Fortunately for us, God hasn't asked us to UNDERSTAND everything. There are a few, very few, things we are asked to BELIEVE.
The child, the illiterate, the deprived can all believe...even if their understanding be very limited. God does not expect of someone what they cannot do.

Jn 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
---Donna66 on 11/2/09


There are three reasons why a person cannot understand the bible: one, laziness, two, too educated and, three, not relying upon the Holy Spirit for guidance.

The first is laziness. You folks seem intelligent enough in a worldly sort of way. Have you not learned a foreign language in middle school, high school, or college? Then the KJV of the bible should be a breeze to learn. In fact, the Old English found in the KJV version is more accurate than today's English.

As for being too educated, you're relying too much on worldly knowledge to understand spiritual things. This includes concordances, author's opinions, novels, and other christians reference books.

Number three is self explanatory.
---Steveng on 11/2/09


I have over thirty years teaching experience including being California state certified to teach buisness subjects. I'm not boasting, I'm just showing that I do have a little experience including why students fail.

Students fail the entire course because they did not understand the author(s) syntax. I would counsel my new students to learn the syntax of the authors for the first three chapters, then the rest of the textbook would be easy to understand. This is why I had the highest student retention rate and one of the highest student grade point average per teacher of all teachers in the school system west of the Mississippi River. I give glory to God for this gift of teaching.

Apply this concept to understanding the KJV bible.
---Steveng on 11/2/09


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\\Ruth wasn't a deceiver. She humbly slept horizontally at Boaz's feet (tootsies). :)

---Leon on 11/2/09\\

These are not the only places where "feet" gets used euphemistically in the Bible.

Consider the symbolism (if I'm correct) of passing the shoe later on in Ruth.
---Cluny on 11/2/09


Cluny: Without a doubt, Ex. 4:24 has historically been & continues to be a difficult passage for many to understand. For me, what's immediately obvious is God's displeasure with Moses for something he did or didn't do. The apparent issue is disobedience to God in some matter. Seems like circumcision of Moses first born son (Gershom) may've had something to do with it. At least that's the issue Zipporah (Moses' wife) dramatizes. Interestingly, after she circumcizes Gershom, the Lord spares Moses' life. Yes, there's something going on there. I will continue to meditate on Scripture & seek the Lord's counsel & wisdom in this matter.

Ruth wasn't a deceiver. She humbly slept horizontally at Boaz's feet (tootsies). :)

---Leon on 11/2/09


Remember that "feet" could be a euphemism for "genitals" in this story, much like Ruth sleeping at Boaz's "feet" to trick him into marrying her.
---Cluny on 11/2/09


Along the lines let me say this. Yesterday morning a preacher ask a question on television that I had no answer for. After his program I turned back to my computer and is I turn the computer on the answer to his question flashed in my mind(flashes in your mind must have a source and in this instance I believe God was the source) I then turned and gave the answer to my wife and told her what happen she said, how astounding and it happens all the time.
---mima on 11/2/09


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\\ "God tried to kill Moses..." Cluny, 11/01

Book, chapter, verse(s) please. Thanks.
---Leon on 11/1/09\\

With pleasure. Exodus 4 (NIV--use your favorite translation, and it will say the same thing.)

24 At a lodging place on the way, the LORD met {Moses} [b] and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched {Moses'} feet with it. [c] "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me," she said. 26 So the LORD let him alone. (At that time she said "bridegroom of blood," referring to circumcision.)
---Cluny on 11/2/09


What you might find hard, is to believe the bible.
Like how God made you a promises.
That all who believe in his son, he will see as his sons.
How everything Christ asked of the father was done.
How Christ said I will come for you.

But we look at each other and stand in judgment of each other.
I look at myself and I ask myself am I worthy of this. I find the answer is always, no.
For I do know myself! But, I also find, in the word of God. Christ! We are!
I say we, because if I am worthy! How much more are you worthier then me?
Not because of you, but because of Christ! God word to you!
---TheSeg on 11/2/09


It takes prayer to ask God & by His spirit to help you read & understand. The Holy-Ghost surely will help you. There are some things that The Lord wont let you understand
until you'v grown more in God.
---Lawrence on 11/2/09


Anyone who can read, post and ask question on this blog can understand the Bible.
You may not understand all of the Bible so continue with the parts that you do. That will keep you so busy you won't have time to think about what you don't understand.
The more of the Bible you learn the more you can learn. But, Ya gotta wanna learn it......
---Elder on 11/1/09


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A person whom desires to read the Bible should pray to the Lord Jesus to help them understand the words they are reading, and the spirit of Jesus will help the reader iunderstand, because Jesus is the author of the Bible and they are his own words.
---Eloy on 11/1/09


"God tried to kill Moses..." Cluny, 11/01

Book, chapter, verse(s) please. Thanks.
---Leon on 11/1/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, The preaching of the Cross is foolishness unto them that shall perish but unto those who shall be Saved it is the Power of God given to Understand. The natural man cannot know nor receive these things of the Spirit of God b/c they are Spiritually Discerned, requiring God's Drawing Spirit.

There is no growth in the Understanding of Knowledge without Wisdom !

Whosoever hath the fear of the Lord, that is Wisdom, shall be given to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whosoever hath not, to them it is not given b/c seeing they see not & hearing they hear not, and it's why they do not understand.


BTW ~ This greatly explains my salutation
---Shawn.M.T on 11/1/09


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