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What percentage of people would you say there are who claim to be Christians, but they do not follow the command which is found in 2 Timothy 2 14-19, and they don't follow the example which is found in Acts 17:11?

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Strongaxe thank you for the verses on betroth it helps a lot. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 12/5/09

JackB: "Jerry, ... that was just horrible.... horrible."

Uhh, I must have missed something. What was horrible?
---jerry6593 on 11/27/09

Donna66, are you the same Donna who is sick? I see one name with 66 and the other without it. Just wanted to know so when I see it again I know who it is. Blessings to you
---MarkV. on 11/26/09

//Not very one who goes to church & says Lord Lord, is of the Lord,,,,

I tend to agree. What we see is generally 'good' people who seem to be doing all the right things however, seldom do they read or study the Bible and if you asked them to pray, they cannot.

But we should not judge just because someone does not believe the things we believe. As Jeremiah complainted that he alone was left, the Lord told him that He had thousands that had not bowed to knee to Baal.
---Lee1538 on 11/26/09

actually thought I remembered reading it in the book of Jeremiah, but in Jeremiah, God says, "I will be a master to you."

In Amos it says, "I will betroth you to me." Betroth means marry.
---Donna on 11/25/09

Who is he talking too.
Hosea 2:19

19And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies

10Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. And 11.
---Trav on 11/26/09

To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, NO man knows the percentage of people who claim Christianity & hasn't received a renewed Heart in Christ to do God's Will, but in the Day of Falling Away, spoken of in 2 Thess.2:3, these men of sin/the workers of iniquity who Christ never knew(Matt.7:21-23), shall be revealed & not enter into Heaven just b/c they say Lord Lord have we not prophesied & cast out devils & done many wonderful works in thy name !!

Not very one who goes to church & says Lord Lord, is of the Lord, but if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think that as he is, even so are others, as spoken of in 2 Cor.10:7, and not worry about the sons of perdition b/c they shall fall away.
---ShawnM.T. on 11/25/09


From KJV, betroth/betrothed is in:
Exodus 21:8-9,16, Leviticus 19:20, Deutronomy 20:7, 22:23-28, 28:30, Hosea 2:19-20.


I think the verse you are quoting is Hosea 2:19:
"And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies."
---StrongAxe on 11/25/09

Darlene, betroth is in the book of Amos.

I actually thought I remembered reading it in the book of Jeremiah, but in Jeremiah, God says, "I will be a master to you."

In Amos it says, "I will betroth you to me." Betroth means marry.

You're welcome Darlene and have a Joyful Thanksgiving. God Bless you as I know He does.
---Donna on 11/25/09

Donna thanks a lot,Have a Happy Thanksgivimg.
---Darlene_1 on 11/24/09

Darlene, Jesus refers to Himself as the Bridegroom often in the Gospels. If He is our Bridegroom, then there is a Bride, right? Here are a few verses: John 3:29 - He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. Matthew 25:10 - And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: They in this passage refers to the Bride. There is a difference between the daughters of Jerusalem and the Bride of Christ. You are His Bride, but not everyone who calls Him Lord Lord will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
---Donna on 11/24/09

Donna would you please give the Book, Chapter,and verse where about the Bride is found other than the verses in Revelations where it tells New Jeruslem is the Bride of Jesus Christ. I searched NT and couldn't find anywhere else. Also I looked for betrothed and couldn't find that please help if you can. Thanks,God Bless.
---Darlene_1 on 11/24/09

God isn't looking for Christians, He's looking for a Bride. A Bride without spot or wrinkle. A Bride takes a long time to prepare for her Husband. "I am the Vine and my Father is the Husbandman." If you have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying, you'll hear this.

I will betroth you to me. Betroth means marry. God is trying to tell us something here. Marry-Bride-Husbandman-and every branch in me (in Christ Jesus) that does not bear fruit, He takes away. I Still don't know what this part means, maybe someone can shed light on "he taketh away." What does He do with them?
---Donna on 11/24/09

Sister Donna, hope that your surgery goes well. I will have you in my prayers. Get well soon. I know people with knee replacements and they are walking the next day. I had surgery on my knee, and I couldn't walk for two weeks. Mine was orthoscopic and very minor. I could not believe my neighbor was walking the very next day and she had her whole knee replaced. On Thanksgiven I will remember you also. Take care, and thank you so much for your support for me and Scripture. Get well soon, blessings and peace.
---MarkV. on 11/24/09

MarkV -- I've noticed the alliances, too, among various ones who post here.

Sometimes it doesn't even matter if it's a minor point in Christianity... or one that no human could possibly discern.
---Donna66 on 11/20/09

Why scripture witnesses are vital to truth. If person does not see,perhaps anonymous reader will.
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2 Samuel 7:24
For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.
1 Chronicles 16:17
And hath confirmed same to Jacob for a law,to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
---Trav on 11/24/09

larry--I don't agree that the divisions are due mostly to politics, although a lot of Christians have strong political feelings,
especially in the very politicized atmosphere that prevails just now.

Even in Christendom, there are "liberal" churches and "conservative" churches, divided mainly on Biblical interpretation (politics incidental). These churches may disagree, over even the basic question of "what is a Christian". The majority of quarrels (and some of the most heated) on this site, seems to me, revolve around this question.

Unity of Spirit would be great, but regrettably, I don't expect to see much of it here.
---Donna66 on 11/21/09

Nana ... Who is Lisa?

Did she write on that Hindhu subject? I can't see she did.

Is this another case of multiple identities? There have been several such accusations recently
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/21/09

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And most definitely do not accuse others of that which you allow to yourself. Like the airhead who followed me to the "Marry My Hindu Boyfriend" blog and there try to instigate a blogger against me.
That is not the only time that Lisa has turned the Montezuma's revenge on me and other's. But I forgive her, for she is not to blame. According to her, a god (some mexican deity must be), arranges her footsteps, good or bad, so he is to be blamed. Not having a mind of her own and being a puppet on a string, at best she is just a christian toy, impossible that she is a Christian.
---Nana on 11/21/09

MarkV, thank you. Point taken.
There can be discussions over doctrine and cults but the quarreling is usually related to politics which has no common ground with Christ.
We've been drinking Satan's Kool-Aid to believe we can be a conservative or liberal Christian instead of simply a Christian.
You can be conservative and religious but Christian mixed with anything doesn't work and we usually use one to justify the other.
Christ stands alone.
The postulate posed is excellent and leads each to examine his own heart starting with me. Thank you again and God bless.
---larry on 11/20/09

MarkV -- I've noticed the alliances, too, among various ones who post here. It's not just that they agree with one another. Soon they begin to encourage one another to attack someone, to "prove" that person wrong.

Whatever was the issue in the beginning, becomes less important than proving oneself superior in interpretation or spirituality.

Sometimes it doesn't even matter if it's a minor point in Christianity... or one that no human could possibly discern. As in the Middle Ages, they would argue vehemently over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
---Donna66 on 11/20/09

Donna, you are so right. What I notice is that when I oppose one doctrine with someone, if they get angry, later they come on on another doctrine and oppose you there together with the others and kind of form a gang to show you in force they do not like you. Some people for just one view, they get angry. They should know by now that none of us agree completely with each other. That God reveals His Word at a different time to each one of us. But they don't care about that, their anger is stronger then common sense. One lady here wanted me to go against Jim, just because I disagreed on another topic. Had nothing to do with the topic we were now talking about. This are Christians supposely.
---MarkV. on 11/20/09

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Most Christians move within a group of believers who agree with them on doctrine and expression of Christianity.

One of the values of this site (if it can be called a value) is that whatever you write about your most cherished and unquestioned beliefs, somebody is likely to accuse you of apostasy and do so with rancor. It places you in the position of having to practice Christian kindness and long-suffering toward your "enemies".
---Donna66 on 11/19/09

Jerry, ... that was just horrible.... horrible.

Wanna see how I can use scripture to say a devil or demon is of God?

Mat 8:28,29 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils... And, behold, they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? "

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Does that mean these 'devils' in Matt 8 were of God? Well of course not!

Even the devil twisted scripture to try to tempt Christ, remember?
---JackB on 11/19/09

Bob yes the Lords bond-servant shouldn't be quarrelsome,but it's sad but true anonymity removes selfcontrol. Most people will exercise control over answers to be sure what they present is a vessel fit to belong to God. There are some though who take delight in confrontational exchanges which produce strife and discord. They call people names and even attacking their relationship with God. We are to love one another,1 John 4:7 beloved let us love one another,for love is of God,for everyone that loveth is born of God,and knoweth God. We are Gods family. Family can have differences of opinions and discuss them without causing strife. As Christians we should practice skills in handling things without arousing hostility. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/17/09

Sandra, I agree with you. 2 Timothy 2:24 And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged. 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. The power is in God's Word. Proverbs 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.
---Bob on 11/15/09

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Tisk, tisk, children. You strain at a knat and swollow a camel. Quit this quarreling among yourselves. Any unsaved person reading this blog site would think that saved people always argue. Quit name calling, arguing, and let each person write his/her own opinion. You don't have to accept it, but don't argue about it.

And don't comment on someone else's post. Just reply with your own words. I seldom even read the other posts, just the question. Then I answer from my own knowledge.
---Sandra on 11/15/09

Bob, your words are truth, the very reason I keep talking about God's sovereign right to save sinners whenever He wants, where He wants, and whom He wants. And what we do as believers in Him is trust in Him as you said and pray that it's His will we trust. You said:

"I pray every day for my unsaved family and friends that the Holy Spirit would convict them of their sins and draw them to Jesus. Only God knows the percentage."

We understand that only God can change a heart. Only God can bring conviction to the lost to bring them to Christ, and that only God's gift of faith can make fallen man believe and trust in the Savior for their own lives.
---MarkV. on 11/12/09

Jerry ... Yes, I have noticed Mark's responses to you.

Have you noticed his to me?

I think I have more to challenge him about than you!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/12/09

jerry, I don't see a reason for complaining when I answer you. I believe I have respect for you and you can critic my spelling all you want, again that is who you are and what you feel in your heart to do, I have different feelings and things in my heart. None of us are the same, with the same revelations. I am where God wants me to be, and you are where He wants you to be. I just thought you would come out with good godly question, I love questions, not my spelling, for it is bad. I don't stop to spell check for it takes too long.
---MarkV. on 11/12/09

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Alan: Good grief! I simply asked for clarification of the word "pity" because it didn't make sense in context. I suspected that it might mean "pithy," but I never would have guessed "petty" - too many wrong letters. As for being petty, have you noticed MarkV's responses to me?
---jerry6593 on 11/12/09

Jerry ... I have disagreements with Mark, but will leap to his defence here.

Mark has told us that English is not his first language, and sometimes his spelling of english words follows the sound of them. We whose first language is english can choose to be pedantic, but it's a bit unfair.

It was clear to me that he meant "petty stuff"
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/11/09

Jerry, no such words, I created them with the little intelligence I have. I am not as smart as you so I have to use what I believe the word is. You even found fault in that. Wow. I ask you for great questions and now you give me petty-stuff. Did they teach you that at your church?
---MarkV. on 11/11/09

MarkV: What is "pity stuff?"
---jerry6593 on 11/11/09

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Jerry, I didn't think you would answer with such pity stuff to Duane. You understood what he was saying when he made his comments on believe because he later said believe in His Works, and also included saved by Grace.
But you still found fault. Come on now, ask some good questions, be productive. Do it for the right reasons. I am waiting for some of your tuff questions/
---MarkV. on 11/10/09

Of course,the devils do believe there is a God and see more than we see for they are spirit and fight against God.
We believe IN HIM,(GOD) which means our faith is IN HIM. The devils have faith in their leader Satan. They believe IN Satan.
---duane on 11/10/09

duane: "There is only one command...believe on HIM who HE has sent. We dont need examples, We are led by the Spirit."

Jas 2:19 .... the devils also believe, and tremble.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
---jerry6593 on 11/10/09

It is no wonder you make a statement like that, after all you have said that we do not need the Bible, whereas Jesus have said many times "It is written"! If you were led of any reasonable spirit, you would not be going against that. Matthew 5:16: "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.", but you yet say, "We dont need examples, We are led by the Spirit."
Were you born from a coconut tree perhaps?
---Nana on 11/9/09

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There is only one command...believe on HIM who HE has sent. We dont need examples, We are led by the Spirit.
By grace through faith, We rest in HIM.
HE is the way, the truth, and the life.
... Believe in the work of the Cross..
---duane on 11/6/09

"Don't judge too harshly! None of us are too great."
---catherine on 11/3/09

Good council! None of us deserve salvation. Only Christ does. If we take on the name of Christ, it seems to follow that we should do as He did, and by His indwelling power, obey His commandments as He obeyed.
---jerry6593 on 11/6/09

For many are called and few are chosen. Many go to church on Sunday and call themselves Christians. Those who are really saved knows their saved, those who don't know need to read the Word of God. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. Only through the Word can one know if they are saved. If they do what the Word tells them to do to be saved and live their lives according to the Word in accordance with the fruits of the Holy Spirit they will live enriched full lives. I pray every day for my unsaved family and friends that the Holy Spirit would convict them of their sins and draw them to Jesus. Only God knows the percentage.
---Bob on 11/4/09

I accidently deleted the chapter concerning TBN not sharing the Gospel of Christ Jesus. It is Galatians 1:6-10.
---Rob on 11/3/09

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TBN is having a tele-thon and are surrounded by people who many times have been exposed and proven to be FALSE TEACHERS, Romans 1:29-32.

They tell people if they want to receive a blessing from God, the need to SOW A SEED (send money) so TBN can share the GOSPEL.

What they won't tell people is that SOWING SEED, is not sending money, Mark 4:14-15.

They tell people they need money to spread the Gospel, but they won't tell people the Gospel they are sharing is not the Gospel of Christ Jesus, 1:6-10.

They will not tell people that giving money to receive a blessing from God is in direct contradiction of what is written in Acts 8:20.
---Rob on 11/3/09

Don't judge too harshly! None of us are too great.
---catherine on 11/3/09

Last year I was listening to a Pastor of a local large Church on the radio.

He told people "IF YOU ARE CONTENT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU ARE A STENCH BEFORE GOD." This is the complete opposite of what is written in 1 Timothy 6:6-8.

This is just one example of how people do not examine the scriptures to see if what has been said is indeed true.
---Rob on 11/3/09

\\Judgement day will bring a lot of surprises
---Jack_B on 11/2/09\\

Let's pray they are pleasant surprises for ALL of us.
---Cluny on 11/2/09

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Nice verses Cluney.

Seems we have millions of scribes and pharisees in the christian world today.

"I do this good and I do that good and youre goin to hell and arent saved because you arent as good as I am or follows Gods laws as I do...blah blah blah blah"

Judgement day will bring a lot of surprises
---Jack_B on 11/2/09

How can this question be answered? According to latest figures approx. 33% of the world claims to be Christian. Of the infinitesimal few that I know, I still could not say. Some of them I don't know well enough. Among the ones I know, it's probably safe to say that none of them follow these commands without fail all the time (including me).

Is this a question, or an admonition, or an opportunity to criticize others?
---Donna66 on 11/2/09

Yesterday, I was watching T.D. Jakes on TBN.

He was strutting across the stage saying God said this, and God said that.

The sad thing about it all is absolutely nothing that T.D. Jakes calims God said is found in God's Word, The Bible, yet people were standing up, clapping their hands, and shouting amen.
---Rob on 11/2/09

\\ Cluny, will you share where it is in scripture Jesus said that.
---Rob on 11/2/09\\

Surely. John 5, NASB

39"[b](AW)You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, it is (AX)these that testify about Me,

40and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
---Cluny on 11/2/09

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"What percentage" > as if I personally know all the people who claim to be Christians, Rob (o: I'm finding if I trust God to make me honest and humble with Him, then I start discovering who the others are . . . as I become obedient myself so I can connect with the real Jesus people. "It takes one to know one," ones have said. And we as Jesus' sheep know His voice > John 10:1-30. A sheep needs its sense of hearing so it can know whose voice is bringing the words. And sheep can *smell* the difference (Philippians 1:9) between someone of the Holy Spirit's love, versus one in "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:2) . . . so we don't marry the wrong person, among other things (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/2/09

Cluny, will you share where it is in scripture Jesus said that.
---Rob on 11/2/09

Remember that Jesus Christ Himself said that devotion to the Scripture can get in the way of following Him, too.
---Cluny on 11/2/09

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