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MarkV, why do you put down weak christians? Christians are to accept the weak and teach them truth until they are able to stand on their own. Strong christians should bear the infirmities of the weak, but you attack them continuously to please yourself. Would you attack a weak christian because he or she is a vegetarian? For one believes that he may eat all things and for another, who is weak, eats only herbs.

We should receive the weak in the faith, but not to your continued doubtful disputations, and, of course, pray for them.
---Steveng on 11/15/09


Markv,
again, you insult me.
You can get mad at God's truth all you want.
You are not hurting me. I pray for you. You get mad at others because they say to you the same as me. And all you know how to do is insult me.
Understand that salvation is for all man and God sraws all man by the telling of his word- THE TRUTH. They can choose to stay in bondage to sin or they can take God's offer of salvation, God gave man a choice and it is each man that must choose. If you refuse to believe it then the spirit that is teaching you may be perverted You should really try the spirit and find out. It seems to be telling you that God mad some to be saved and others not. That is NOT what the Bible says.
---miche3754 on 11/15/09


MarkV ... "A liar is someone who purposely say's something to deceive another"

The use of the word "lie" about someone else's doctrine (even if it false) is perhaps a bit extreme, since there has been bo intention to deceive, and you can't say it is false anyway, only that you beleive it to be false.

The reason you are not able to call Miche a liar is that she has not lied, nor has Kathr nor have I.

But you deliberately tell lies about what others say. Those are factual lies. No-one else does this. You are the master liar here.

Bless you!
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/15/09


All life is created by God and will go on for eternity. But most people will live without a spirit that is alive. These people will live on without God in a place prepared for them. All those who's spirits have been born again and now live, will live in the presence of our Lord Jesus and God, our Father for all eternity.
So, yes, life is possible without God. But I wouldn't want to live it.
---Sandra on 11/15/09


Miche, as of today I have lost my respect for you. You keep calling me a liar and I don't remember calling you a liar. A liar is someone who purposely say's something to deceive another. Now I can call the shots just as both of you have.
Your armor is not only weak it is false. Your belt of Truth, is really a belt of lies, I guess I can say that now, you opened the door and made it legal. Your sandals of peace changed, for you are not a peace maker. And your weapon the Sword of the Spirit, it does not cut at all, made out of fake steel, it will never bring conviction or repentance on anyone because what you teach is false, not the gospel of Christ. The Truth cuts you at the heart that is why you both get angry.
---MarkV. on 11/15/09




MarkV: "Steven G, concerning your theology about salvation, you say..."

It's not my theology, it's the Word of God.

MarkV: "If faith comes from hearing, and many hear and do not receive it, how can they believe?"

They won't. Have you not read the parable of The Sower? Also read Romans 10:14-17. In fact, do an online KJV bible search for the word "faith" and read ALL the verses, both Old Testament and New Testament, to find your answers.
---Steveng on 11/14/09


Markv, what I say offends you so much that you call God's armor straw?!
WOW!
Any way, StevenG thank you so much for defending Kath! You are so right! And Markv is still spreading lies and calling names. But like I have said before, it is okay because I have my armor OF GOD! on and let him/her say what he/she will. God has my back because I speak God's truth, not lies made up by men.
AMEN STEVENG, AMEN! keep speaking the truth on how God saves.
Marv doesn't understand salvation is a choice God gives to man. doesn't understand that hearing the truth provides the ability for man to make the choice.
---miche3754 on 11/14/09


We need the Cross before we can even think we can be born again.(we need to be reconciled first, our sins not counted against us). Upon hearing the word of salvation, we choose Christ or not. If we choose HIM THROUGH fAITH, HE will make us into a new creation.We will have a new mind. We will be IN HIM and HE in us. We will have the life of Christ.
---duane on 11/14/09


Steven G, I have respect for you even though most of what you say is false. I see you as someone who has gone on the wrong path because of something that happened to you in your life and because of that you have taken a different look at the way you see churches. I suppose you missed the blog where I said I loved her. I don't waver back and forth on that. I love you too.

Second, you do not know if God respects me or not. You are not God and neither are your prophets that don't speak. God loves me. How do I know? Because He came into my life, and saved me. I give Him the glory He deserves, for I deserved nothing. I have nothing to boast about. My will was inslave to sin. it was never free.
---MarkV. on 11/14/09


Steven G, concerning your theology about salvation, you say,

Faith comes after hearing the Word of God first. After hearing the Word of God then you have a choise - to believe or not to believe"

If faith comes from hearing, and many hear and do not receive it, how can they believe? How can they have a choice? If it comes it means you do not have it. It has to come from someplace. The Bible says that it comes from God. Eph. 2:8,9. So if God does not give it, how can the unbeliever believe? He can hear it all he wants an nothing happens. The Bible also says that when a person is born of God he is now able to believe. Who brings a dead person to life? God the Spirit. Eph. 2:4-6.
---MarkV. on 11/14/09




MarkV: "I have no respect for Kathr."

If you don't have respect for Kathr, then God does not have respect for you.

MarkV: "I told you you have to be born of God before you can believe and be saved."

Faith comes after hearing the Word of God first. After hearing the Word of God then you have a choise - to believe or not to believe. How can one have faith without belief. How can one have belief without first hearing something to believe in? The eunuch didn't get baptised first without first hearing Peter.

Take your own suggestion: If you only got it all correct then you would see all the light.
---Steveng on 11/13/09


One word NO!
---shirley on 11/13/09


Miche, I am not picking on you. I am answering you. I have respect for you. I have no respect for Kathr. There is people that just don't know, then there is people that know but twist the truth. The one's that don't know, maybe one day they will know. God will somehow bring light to something they thought was right but find they were wrong all along. I put you in this category together with Alan and I believe that Anne is beginning to see what I was talking about. She was right all along speaking about how believers should act. How they should not sin. Many of what you say is also correct. But when it comes to the Sovereignty of God you are all together wrong. It does not mean you are not saved, but means you are wrong.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09


Miche, you said you didn't mind if I answered you, and again you put your armor of straw. It will not help.
What I meant when I said you didn't know the God of the Bible, is true. You might be saved but you still don't know God for who He is. Salvation comes by faith in Jesus Christ, but faith comes from God, Miche, "By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God" Eph2:8 The very beginning of faith, the desposition to seek Salvation, is itself a work of grace and the gift of God.

Thank you "Catherine" you said, "If you have truely been chosen, you have no control over this:" You are so right, when someone is dead they know nothing.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09


MarkV, who are YOU to make such statements degrading/undermining chip chip chipping away at one's faith in God and Christ. THAT is so of satan...always ACCUSING the brethren that they are not all that.

No, your comments are's mean...THEIR PLAIN EVIL!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


It is alright Kath. He/she (MarkV) is getting ugly because you, I and others have shoot holes the size of Rhode Island in his/her doctrine with God's truth. MarkV's doctrine certainly ISN'T the doctrine of Christ or what Christ taught. Lets not stoop to that level of strife and continue to uphold God's truth. God bless you!
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


I told you you have to be born of God before you can believe and be saved.
If you only got it all correct then you would see all the light.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09

What you say here is NOT the truth that is why I won't listen. I listen to God and his word, not what you think is his word.
I have studied and studied and no where in the Bible does it say GOD gives you faith before he saves you.
It just says have faith. And having faith means to believe in something.
I believe in Christ God didn't make me believe. God increased my belief!,
And like I said, the Holy Spirit will not dwell in a dirty temple so how can the Spirit exists in a sinner that has not repented first?
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


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My name is TJ

Death define: The word death as applied to man in Scripture means separation or cutting off from knowing God's purpose for which he(you) was created.

Physical death: This implies the separation of the inner man from the outer man, the soul and spirit from the body. (Jas.2:26)

Spiritual death: This is the separation of man from God because of sin. One spiritually dead can be alive physically (Mt.8:22, Col.2:14, 1Tim.5:6)or he can be dead physically and alive in hell, conscious in the soul and spirit or the inner man.

In other words, separation means death!
So to answer your question,
Life with out God is no life at all!!!
---TJ on 11/13/09


MarkV says "to be saved you need to believe it is God who gave you faith to believe

That raises an intersting situation. I am saved, having said "Thank you and Yes please" to God & Jesus.

But according to MarkV, I am not saved, because I believe that God in His Supreme Sovereignty, gave me Free Will.

Mark says that God controls everything we do or decide (think we decide?) This means that God has caused me to believe in FreeWill. And it God who has caused me to believe I am saved, although according to MarkV, I am not.

By Mark's terms then, God has deceived me into thinking I am saved.

God a DECEIVER???
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/13/09


You are not using the armor of God, because you need to learn who the God of Scripture really is and you still don't recognize Him. Unless you know Him, your armor is made out of straw. Every Christian should be prepared, but with the right armor.
This is not to say you will not ever know Him for who He really is, it is to say that at this time you don't.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09

MarkV, who are YOU to make such statements degrading/undermining chip chip chipping away at one's faith in God and Christ. THAT is so of satan...always ACCUSING the brethren that they are not all that.

No, your comments are's mean...THEIR PLAIN EVIL!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


Are you accusing me of not being of Christ, Markv?
You know what, I will let God handle that.
His word says not to say anything wrong about one of his children.
Luke 17
1Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

2It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

3Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him, and if he repent, forgive him.

4And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent, thou shalt forgive him
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


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"NO". It is God's supernatural powers which saves lost souls. If you have truly been chosen, you have no control over this. And a new life begans. Before you were dead now you are brought into life. Anyone who is lost is dead. Walking around DEAD. Physically and spiritually. "BOTH". YOU DEAD. You don't know it. I didn't know it, until I got save. I am not a liar, saith the Lord thy God. Come alive. Come to the light, NOW.....Before it's too late.
---catherine on 11/13/09


MarkV says "to be saved you need to believe it is God who gave you faith to believe for if He hadn't, you would still be lost"

Thus, unless you believe we have no freewill, you can't be saved.

Is that what Jesus said?

My Jesus said "COME UNTO ME all ye who labor and heavy laden, and I WILL GIVE YOU REST"
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/13/09


Trav,

You know better than that.
God clearly distinguished between Israel and Goyim.
He has now 2 branches that are going to be grafted into Christ who is the vine.
Israel AND Goyim.
Jesus dying and rising again opened the door and God poured out his SPirit on ALL flesh.
WHy do you call God a liar on this?
Scripture witnesses scripture. Joel AND Acts plainly state what God did for all mankind through Jesus Christ. Not to mention 100's more scripture that says all mankind not just Israel.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


Miche, the reason I said what I did was because Kathr accuse me of been mean to you when I answer you, I don't want to hurt your feelings when I answer you.
You are not using the armor of God, because you need to learn who the God of Scripture really is and you still don't recognize Him. Unless you know Him, your armor is made out of straw. Every Christian should be prepared, but with the right armor.
This is not to say you will not ever know Him for who He really is, it is to say that at this time you don't.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09


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But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 11/13/09

Trav, That was said at the time Jesus was here on earth. He came unto His own and His Own received him not....

HOWEVER, after Jesus rose from the dead, salvation is extended to Gentiles ALSO. Gentiles were NEVER the lost sheep of Israel no matter how you want to twist scripture. RE: Cornelius. Cornelius is the first recorded Gentile saved after the resurrection!He was never a lost sheep of Israel.

Any Gentile that joined themselves to OT Israel became a Proselyte.

Romans 4 says The Everlasting Covenant is to the circumcision=ALL ISRAEL and uncircumcision= GENTILES

A Gentile is anyone who is not a Jew.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


Miche, 2: I can continue to answer you if you don't mind hearing me. I would like to because most of what you say is truth mixed with untruth, and Scripture exposes all those false idea's that you mix with the truth.
Here is one that you and Kathr faught so hard for and now you change your tune on,

"That You must be born again! to be saved!"

What a change from what you and kathr said before. That regeneration comes after you have faith and are saved.
I told you you have to be born of God before you can believe and be saved.
If you only got it all correct then you would see all the light.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09


MarkV, that's ok, you don't have to answer me at all.

God Chose Israel..a NATION. However that CHOSEN Nation rejected Jesus Christ. That Chosen Nation was called to REPENT of their SIN.

Yet You place your faith in being CHOSEN based on Israel being Chosen, rather than Christ dying for you and YOU placing your faith in Christ for the forgivness of your sin.

You have by-passed Calvary. MarkV, you don't even know or understand the Gospel.


COME UNTO ME all ye who labor and heavy laiden, and I WILL GIVE YOU REST

REST IS SALVATION.

Have you entered into HIS REST???? That's the question!
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


By the way Markv,
You aren't hurting my feelings.
I put on the armor of God everyday!
And what ever little mistruths you might hurl at me, it is alright because God has my back front sides- HE HAS IT COVERED!
(I say mistruths because you have the Gospel truly twisted and I am praying every day God opens your eyes)

You keep believing God made you in your mothers womb to be saved.
I will keep on believing the truth. That God poured out his Spirit on all flesh! That ANYONE can become predestined for salvation!
That You must be born again! to be saved!
All they have to do is say "YES" to God!
And "no" to themselves.
"Anyone who looses their life will gain it!" this said by Jesus
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


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.....So, you being a gentile, how exactly did that happen?

Are you also saying ALL Jews are saved regardless, because God Chose them?
---kathr4453 on 11/12/09

You just cannot get it. Someone else will.
Judah makes 1/13th of Israel.
Judah does not equal entire nations of ISRAEL.
The Nthern House divorced...lost there Married name...ISRAEL. Goyim for a time. But, they still are these people. Mark could b 1.
You don't know where the lost sheep are.
You could. But, you don't believe scripture or prophets,everlasting or forever. You are not alone...so don't feel like the lone rangerette.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 11/13/09


"All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."
---miche3754 on 11/10/09

Exactly! One cannot claim to believe the Bible and yet adhere to the theory that life came into existence (and continues to evolve new species) without the supernatural working of God.
---jerry6593 on 11/13/09


Markv,
How is saying that God gives every human being a choice taking away God's sovereignty?
Giving man choices IS showing God's total rulership. He knows that for every choice we make, there are consequences good or bad.
Remember that every man reaps what he sows.
If we obey God and Abide in him, we reap the benefits of everlasting life.
If we do not, we reap death. God set these choices and they don't change.
We either go to one or the other and it is man's choice which one they go to.
Israel is a very good example of this. When they were out of God's will, all kinds of bad things happened.
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


Kathr, I would like not to answer you anymore since it just goes back and forth. I am going to do the same with Miche. I don't want to hurt Miche are your feelings by answering to you directly about the Sovereignty of God. I think that everyone who learns this things about God, God has to reveal them to them. And God has not revealed them to you or her, and maybe never will. I really don't know. I also know that everyone comes from a different background different teachings from different teachers, and some are die hard in some doctrines that are false and they will never change. Some will. It's really all in God's hands.
---MarkV. on 11/12/09


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Kathr, stop fighting God. To be saved you need to believe it is God who gave you faith to believe, for if He hadn't, you would still be lost. Believe that it is God who changed your heart in order for you to believe the gospel, if He didn't change you heart, then your reading of Scripture is hopeless. Because it is the Spirit who bring light to Scripture, and if you didn't have it you could not believe. "whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" 1 John 5:1. The passage does not say if you believe in Jesus you will become born again. It says, if you believe in Jesus, "You are born of God".
You cannot escape the real Truth. No matter how much you wiggle around.
---MarkV. on 11/12/09


Israel to this day is still lost, yet God chose them over all the other nations. The Canaanites had Free will and what good is free will when God had already chosen Israel over all nations? It is the will of God that is done on earth and in heaven. And He will choose whom He wants when He wants, without asking your permission.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


MarkV, so are you saying you were BORN into being Chosen? So you think salvation is by birthright? So, you being a gentile, how exactly did that happen?

Are you also saying ALL Jews are saved regardless, because God Chose them?

God CHOSE Israel to bring in the Messiah, and be a light unto the Nations. We see Nineveh repented at the hands of one Chosen Israeli Prophet.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/09


This question speaks to the sovereignty of God. It is my contention that no mere human being can appreciate or understand the sovereignty of Almighty God!! Yesterday on a radio broadcast I made this statement. God the Father has placed limitations upon himself by speaking the word. Jesus Christ while in his physical human body had limitations(did not know the hour of his return) but the Holy Spirit who is both one with God and at the same time a distinct individual personality knows absolutely no limits. And he passes out the gifts of God(thank you God for your gifts) as he wills. As he pleases!!! Praise God for the ministry of the Holy Spirit!
---mima on 11/12/09


Israel to this day is still lost, yet God chose them over all the other nations. The Canaanites had Free will and what good is free will when God had already chosen Israel over all nations? It is the will of God that is done on earth and in heaven. And He will choose whom He wants when He wants, without asking your permission.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09

The biggest clue to this is in the name. Ruling with EL. GOD. The second clue is the marriage too. To understand the annointed's death. The marriage laws.
This people has a heart of GOD with the laws written BY GOD into them. Why. For a remarriage. To govern the new heaven and new earth.....and this one while it last. Will they be opposed? We all know the answer to that.
---Trav on 11/12/09


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MarkV: "There was nothing good in the nation of Israel for it to be chosen by God."

I didn't say they were without sin, I said they were the most favorable of all peoples of the world at that time. There is a huge difference between the words "favorite" and "favorable."
---Steveng on 11/11/09


Steven, I have read all of Scripture and understand it pretty well. Do not understand every action of God but I believe what Scripture tell me. Not what you preach.
There was nothing good in the nation of Israel for it to be chosen by God. They were no better then any other nation, or sin less, but because He will to do it. When God permits the Gospel to go to certain places and not others is because He wills it that way. I believe you and Kathr should take an year sabbatical and read the Bible but before you do that you need the Spirit to help you out not the two prophets that speak to you without them talking. Maybe join a good teaching Church instead of bashing them.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


"Because he threw you some kibbles and bits and patted you on the head?"
Ha ha ha! That is funny. Ok, not funny, a man has the right to choose his snacks. O wait, it was God who chose them for him!
Some say "the devil made me do it", but this fellow say, "god made me do it", as either is an excuse!
---Nana on 11/10/09


MarkV: "I see you didn't answer why God love the nation of Israel over the Canaanites."

It could have been any other nation, but God chose the Israelites over all the nations on earth because they were more favorable than the rest. God looked favorably towards Noah than all the people on earth to continue God's plan for mankind. Mary was the favorate among women to carry God's son, Jesus.

I suggest taking a six month sabbatical and going back to the basics of the bible. Read it from cover to cover through the eyes of a child without the need for concordances, author's opinions, christian reference books, novels, etc - just you the bible and the Holy spirit.
---Steveng on 11/10/09


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Kathr, the one's born in Africa with no gospel did not ask to be born in Africa. They are born there by the will of God. You actually make my case that God is in control on all things. And only those He wants for them to hear will hear it. I see you didn't answer why God love the nation of Israel over the Canaanites. Both were sinners, as a matter of fact Israel to this day is still lost, yet God chose them over all the other nations. The Canaanites had Free will and what good is free will when God had already chosen Israel over all nations? It is the will of God that is done on earth and in heaven. And He will choose whom He wants when He wants, without asking your permission.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


NO WAY.

Col 1:16 "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him"

He has created all things and for Him all things were created.

Therefore, even if you choose not to follow or acknowledge Him, it changes nothing, you were still made for Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/10/09


Just listen to Larry. "The only thing God hates is sin, not the sinner."
The Slaughter of the Canaanites by God's command displayed His love for one nation and not the other. They were just as much sinners as Israel.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09



I agree completely with Larry! God hated sin so much He sent His only Begotten Son to take the sin of the world upon Him. SIN has been dealt with. God's wrath and hatred towards sin was laid upon Jesus Christ.

That's how much God LOVES the sinner.

God does not display His LOVE by way of showing his HATE for another. God displayed His LOVE at Calvary!



---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


Well, now, that all depends. Satan has supernatural powers, too. If you are talking about a life without God's superpower in saving your lost soul, the answer is no. There is no life without JESUS CHRIST. Let it be here or in the here-after.++++
---catherine on 11/10/09


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MarkV Part 2

If you could change your own heart, then praying to God is useless.
---MarkV. on 11/9/09


So you also must agree with those in Africa who deserved to die? You didn't seem appauled.

MarkV, you may want to run that by Pastor Jim. He believes one can sanctify themselves. YES you are a Hypocrite. Miche is saying teh same thin as Jim. Yet you rail at miche and suck up to Jim..Why? Because he threw you some kibbles and bits and patted you on the head?

MarkV again, your remark to miche was rude and crude.

Miche NEVER said she saved herself, or even can.

When YOU make crude hateful remarks to people whp don't agree with you calvin THEORY YOU are teh one with the problem.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


The Slaughter of the Canaanites by God's command displayed His love for one nation and not the other. They were just as much sinners as Israel.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09

Well we know even in Canaan one could be saved don't we. Rahab and her family. I imagine if others too had done as her family others in Canaan would too have been saved.

But God told Abraham years before that the Land promised would not come to be for a while until the time of the Canaanites had been fulfilled.

God chose Israel to bring forth the Messiah, and to be a light to the nations. Chosen for a purpose of SERVICE.

Just as the Church today is to be that LIGHT to the Lost.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


Life is not possible without God.

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
---miche3754 on 11/10/09


Kathr, I'm not special. I am just a forgiven sinner as you. But I am passionate about my faith. And I do my best to be approve by praying and studying each morning. I don't expect you to do this. You do what is in your heart. I do what is in my heart. I don't choose sides in groups, I speak of each doctrine individually. I know we don't all know the same things. That is impossible since some are smarter, some are more passionate, some have been Christians for a long time, some are just plain lazy. Just listen to Larry, "The only thing God hates is sin, not the sinner."
The Slaughter of the Canaanites by God's command displayed His love for one nation and not the other. They were just as much sinners as Israel.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


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Kathr, you said,
"MarkV, I really hate to say this but you again are a hypocrite. Even you say we should pray before witnessing to someone."
First you say, "I really hate to say this" No you don't. And then gave a whole lot of talk about someone else and is suppose to make me a hypocrite. There you go again. And you want people to be good to you. You deserve no respect whatsoever.
Of course we should pray before witnessing. Because it is God who changes hearts. If you could change your own heart, then praying to God is useless.
---MarkV. on 11/9/09


MarkV, I really hate to say this but you again are a hypocrite. Even you say we should pray before witnessing to someone.

Miche, yes I do hate the Calvinistic doctrine. I went to a Calvin Church years ago. In the 1980's when there was a famine in Africa, the Pastor said...they deserve to die because they rejected God 4000 so years ago. He used Romans 1 & 2 as his text.
I asked him, what makes you so special?
Just because you were born in AMERICA doesn't matter to God. So what made him so special?

And what makes MarkV so special?

These guys have already sentenced many to hell! They will have to account to God for their lies!
---kathr4453 on 11/9/09


I am so Glad that God has offered his LOVE FREELY!
Don't you realize that God fixed that when he sacrificed his flesh on that Cross?
He didn't just do for me and you, he did it for all mankind whom he loves! so all they have to do is cry out and repent and they will be forgiven!
---miche3754 on 11/9/09

miche3454, those who believe as markv does cannot understand a love like God's. They only understand they are the object of His Love. All else are the object of His hate.

The only thing God hates is sin, not the sinner. Their thinking is He died for His elect only. Our understanding through scripture is, God loved us all so much He sent His Son to die for our sin so that He could have fellowship with us.
---Larry on 11/9/09


Markv,
I am not giving any glory to man.
I am stating scripture that says that God poured out his spirit upon all flesh. He gives us free access to him. All we have to do is repent and believe. God can't and won't make man repent. Look at how many times in the OT God said "IF they will repent, I will forgive them of their sins"
Nenevah is one perfect example.
God does not make man repent. His spirit convicts them of their sins! Then they realize and repent.
If God forced man to do it, we would not have blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
By the way, what do you think a conscience is? and what do you think conviction comes from? BOTH FROM GOD TO THOSE STILL IN SIN!
---miche3754 on 11/9/09


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By the way Markv,
I don't take any glory for my salvation.
I am so Glad that God poured out his spirit on ALL flesh and convicted me of my sins. I am so Glad that God said All I had to do was repent and believe and I would be forgiven. I am so Glad that the veil was ripped in 2 so that not only me, but my whole house hold has the chance to be saved!
I am so Glad that God has offered his LOVE FREELY!
Don't you realize that God fixed that when he sacrificed his flesh on that Cross?
He didn't just do for me and you, he did it for all mankind whom he loves! so all they have to do is cry out and repent and they will be forgiven!
---miche3754 on 11/9/09


Miche I agree, the New Heart is Christ in you, and He comes IN when we receive Jesus Christ. God does not put Christ in you first. He would be joining sin with himself.

We must be declared JUSTIFIED before God before any union of Christ being in you is possible.

It's Christ who is our life.....

MarkV wants the new Heart but not Christ. You can't separate the two.

But MarkV's thinking comes when he says he was chosen in the eternal son from before the foundation of the world. IMPOSSIBLE, we were chosen IN Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord = GOD
Jesus = His earthly Name
Christ = The Messiah, the Promised anointed one who became flesh, died in the flesh and rose again for our JUSTIFICATION.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/09


Tommy, I mentioned what you said and people still want to take glory for their salvation. They refuse to admit that. If God was the Center of their believes, they would not say what they say. They put man in the Center of all believes and find themselves controlling the outcome of God's plan. You can see that by Miche's answer. In the end she gives the glory to God, His greatness in allowing us to wake up, but when it comes to salvation, she gives the glory to man. Man, in a sinful state believing in Jesus with their corrupt heart is hard to understand. Believers while they are unbelievers. The biggest thing I feel is why pray to God to save their relatives? They should pray to their relatives since they determine their own lifes.
---MarkV. on 11/9/09


Tommy,
God deosn't give us a new heart until we repent and believe.(Mark 1:15) We must admit that we need him and ask him to come and live in us and us in him.
His Spirit was poured out on ALL flesh and he calls to all mankind.(Joel 2:28-29, Acts 2:17-18) So he is always available to everyone. The problem is that not every one is listening to God speak to them when he tells them that we need him.
They want to keep on listening to their flesh telling them they don't need God instead of admitting that they do need God.
Without God, we would not have even woke up this morning!
---miche3754 on 11/9/09


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steveng, if I may, the "choices" that you speak of people having are limited by our nature. Apart from the grace of God, NO ONE can choose to be saved. God has to give a person a new heart to make it possible for him/her to come to the Father and be saved. That is not a popular teaching because people want to be "in control" of their lives and say like Frank Sinatra, "I did it my way."
---tommy3007 on 11/9/09


God CREATED man. Man would not even EXIST were it not so. He gave men the ability and responsibility to decide certain things. But anyone who thinks they are fully in control of their own life is living a delusion.
---Donna66 on 11/8/09


Donna, God controls no man nor his thinking. Humans live an average life span of 76 years (66 worldwide). During that life, we all attend school, pay our bill by working, eat, sleep, be entertained, etc. We all live a life according to what each thinks. God does not choose one to be rich and one to be poor. He does not choose one to be a doctor or one to be a assembly worker. Most people live a life that thinks that "this is it," you're born and you die. To them, living is everything inbetween.

Christians, on the otherhand, know differently, eh? For instance, we know that God does control certain event and certain people to accomplish a certain outcome - to fulfill His ultimate goal of another heaven and another earth.
---Steveng on 11/8/09


Everyone has choices: one leads to eternal damnation, the other leads to eternal life.
---Steveng on 11/8/09


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Donna, your correct. That argument is not even an argument at all. Tommy explained it also very well. People look for loopholes in what we say to find fault with the Truth. You mentioned "probably" and that gave Steven a door to argue his false believes. People who do not recognize God already after many years they will not no matter how much Truth is given.
"He 'upholdeth all things by the word of His power" Heb. 1:3.
No creature has the power to preserve itself. Yet the God of the pulpit this days, is proclaim as an enthroned God, and His right to do as He wills with His own, to dispose of His creatures as He thinks well without consulting them first is their problem. They demand their rights.
---MarkV. on 11/8/09


Whoa! Steveng. //If you believe in what you say, then you don't believe in free will - or that Satan exists. Look at the life of Adam and Eve. Every human has choices.//

How did you get all that out of what I wrote?
All I said was I believe God allows people to live for a reason, probably to hear the truth and have a chance for eternal life.
....and you extrapolated a whole doctrinal statement out of that.
How did you conclude that I don't believe people have choices or I don't believe in Satan?

(I said "probably", not because I'm uncertain about my belief, but because I don't know ALL the purposes God may have.)
---Donna66 on 11/8/09


"The bible says that life is possible without God,"---Steveng on 11/7/09

Where exactly, please share. Thanks
---Josef on 11/8/09


Donna66: "I am saying it is NOT possible to "live" without God.
There are millions who THINK they live without God, because they do not believe in Him or even recognize Him. But God is allowing them to live for a reason...probably..."

Probably? You are not sure of your opinion? Well, allow me to help you. If you believe in what you say, then you don't believe in free will - or that Satan exists. Look at the life of Adam and Eve. Every human has choices. Every choice has consequences. The bible says that life is possible without God, but eternal life is not possible without God.
---Steveng on 11/7/09


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I believe that ALL life depends on God the creator. If He were to take His hands off of this little ball we call home, it and everything around it would disintegrate. It is possible to function as a living being without acknowledging God or His existence, but it is not possible to truly live without Him.
---tommy3007 on 11/7/09


I echo Donna66 in the entirety of Her post. In Father we live, move, and have our being. Life, in any sense of the word, Is impossible without Him.
---Josef on 11/7/09


Steveng --- I DID read your blog. But I disagree with you. (although actually it's just looking from a different viewpoint.)
I am saying it is NOT possible to "live" without God.
There are millions who THINK they live without God, because they do not believe in Him or even recognize Him. But God is allowing them to live for a reason...probably to hear the truth and have a chance for "eternal" life. If it is not God's will for you to live...you won't!
---Donna66 on 11/6/09


Donna66: "Steveng-- Doesn't life itself depend on God?"

Re-read my post. I said it was possible to live a long life without God. Many people accomplished many thing in their lives and live long. But I didn't say it was right. Scripture tells us not to envy the rich for their time is coming on the day of judgement. But they will be missing out on eternal life with God.
---Steveng on 11/6/09


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Without the sun there would be no life on earth.
---atheist on 11/6/09


He who has the Son Has Life. He who has not the Son has not life.

So without the Son of God, you don't have life.
---Donna on 11/6/09


Steveng-- Doesn't life itself depend on God?

Act 17:24-25 The God that made the world and all things therein, he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands, neither is he served by men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he himself GIVETH TO ALL LIFE, and BREATH, and ALL THINGS,

The natural world is so intricate, so precise, so complex that there is no way humankind could keep things going with as little knowledge as we have. Despite the many things we've learned,we are still are unable to create life or preserve it indefinitely.
---Donna66 on 11/6/09


Yes, life is possible without God.

People, including christians, throughout all of earth's history lived a long life without God. They will be judged (at the second resurrection) from the Book of Life, according to their works.

Yes, life is possible without God, but not eternal life. Those who are resurrected at the first resurrection, when Jesus returns and the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with them, will not see the second death.

Blessed are you who rise at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 11/5/09


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well to answer this question as a believer i must say that there is no life withouy God,you are dead.life is not the physical body,or reality you see,life is after death
---tom2 on 11/5/09


Jesus said, "apart from me you can do NOTHING."

So how could life be possible without divine intervention? I know I couldn't live without Him even if He didn't intervene and just loved me.
---Donna on 11/5/09


Of course not...

That is of course, if you define 'supernatural' as any event that Jerry claims does not have or will ever have a 'natural' explanation.
---atheist on 11/5/09


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