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God wrote that He made heaven and earth in six days (Exodus 20:11). Did He really mean it?

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Adetunji, Since you asked, wind is caused by air moving from high pressure to low.
The closer they are together the stronger the wind!
---1st_cliff on 11/17/09


'On what basis (Scripture, Grammar or logic) do you base your claim that the Israelites six days are of a different length than God's six days of creation?' Warwick 11/16

Because Moses, the writer of both Genesis and Exodus 20, didn't believe a 'day' with God to be literally 24hrs.

Psalms 90:4, Moses writes- "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday..."

God instructed the Israelites to pattern their week on His creative week. God is 'outside time' (to quote Warwick). The Israelites knew a 'day' to God can be longer than 24hrs but they would take their day to mean from evening to evening. Despite what Warwick claims, he is unable to discerning the difference between Gods time and that of humans.
---David8318 on 11/17/09


Luke 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible. Your question tells me you are equating yourself with God, limitting HIM to what you are capable of. The ants cannot equate themselves with men, or construct an aeroplane or understand how men do it, God made it so. Believe God & all HE says. Even natural things that happens when men are present are not totally understood by men, but you want to understand what happened when men were not yet made? Can you explain to me the forces that causes winds & whirlwinds? where are they situated?
---Adetunji on 11/17/09


JackB, what you are saying is that God's word does not have to be believed. He defined what one day is in Genesis 1:3-5, confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11. * But despite the fact God does not make mistakes, or lie, you say it doesn't matter what it really means! Why then was He so specific?

Suppose I changed the subject of the conversation and said 'I really don't know what difference it makes whether or not Jesus physically died and rose again. Just seems like one more thing for Christians to cut each others throats about.'

Fair enough?

* Does Exodus 20:8-11 allow God's '7th day' to be 1000 yeras and the Israelites to be 24hrs? Makes no sense.
---Warwick on 11/16/09


David, in Genesis 1:3-5 God provides a clear and detailed description of what makes a day. It ends with 'And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.'

That these are everyday ordinary days is confirmed in Exodus 20:8-11 where God tells the Israelites they are to work six days and rest the seventh 'For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.'

On what basis (Scripture, Grammar or logic) do you base your claim that the Israelites six days are of a different length than God's six days of creation?

Do not take away from Scripture or call God a liar or deceiver.
---Warwick on 11/16/09




David, you are very confused. Let me see if I can clear this up?

Are you saying that because He is eternal God cannot create things which are not eternal?
---Warwick on 11/16/09


Lee you are right, I should have said one side of the earth was lit by God's light. The first rotation of the earth created the first day, a day of approximately 24hours, just as today when our 24hr days are not exactly 24hrs long. But close enough.

Question: Do you believe God can light the earth without the sun? Shock us all and give a straight answer!

Do you imagine I am in some, even some tiny way, insulted by your infantile 'ASS' taunts? Au contraire I am encouraged by them, and your regular others. They expose your real heart! Don't hold back you sad man, let me have it all. Both barrels, bless me!
---Warwick on 11/16/09


Duh...What was the question? These blogs are a mess. Oh yeah..Yes, the Bible does say that God made heaven and earth in six days and rested on the seventh. It is what it is. God's peace to you:).
---jody on 11/16/09


Warwick - in your post on 11/16 you made the statement "In Genesis 1:3-5 God created light. This light lit up the side of the earth facing the sun."

You apparently have not read the Genesis account that the sun was created on the 4th day. And you want me to believe the sun was there on the 1st day? Bizarre indeed!

And what is unscriptural about acknowledging the FACT the Genesis record DOES NOT reveal the duration of the creation periods?

And yes I have to agree with tray, that your little world would fall apart as much of what you truly believe is based on ASSumptions. I really need to quit this subject with you as I am wasting my time with someone of a much lower ability to think.
---lee1538 on 11/16/09


You wrote 'If God's creative day is 24hrs, and God created everything in 144 hours, then God is not outside time.' Warwick 11/15

I wrote this to show the stupidity of Warwick's argumentation.

Warwick writes- 'God is outside of time'(11/14), and yet he insists God created everything in 144 hours.

Warwick also said 'God doesn't have days, weeks, months or years.' But according to Warwick, God does have hours! 144hrs to create everything.

'God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length.'(Warwick 11/14) By his own admission therefore, because Warwick believes God is bound to days of 24hrs, Warwick must believe God is not eternal.

Warwick is full of confused contradictions & cannot be taken seriously.
---David8318 on 11/16/09




"obviously you believe the term 'evening and morning' means the day has ended whereas God says they are the two components of a 24hr day" Warwick 11/14.

Where does God say this? Where does God say that the expression 'evening and morning' are the two components of a 24hr day?

God does not say this at all. This is an attempt to promote scriptural lies. The fundamentalist is trying to add expressions to the Bible.

This is exactly what happens to Religious Fundamentalists. I see it time and again. When fundamentalists are faced with clear scriptural truth, they resort to lies to push their doctrines.
---David8318 on 11/16/09


I believe that people do not use the "spirit of a sound mind" when they insist that God hastily created all the intricacies of each creation in a week!
What was the hurry?
He had a schedule to keep?
From the beautiful array of flowers to each vegetable,to microscopic creatures,huge dinosaurs etc...
Every aspect of creation shows detailed miracles, like pro-creation of each species, flora and fauna.
In a week???? Nah! Each feature was well thought out,even for God!
---1st_cliff on 11/16/09


I really dont know what difference it makes whether or not it was a literal 24 day. Just seems like one more thing for Christians to cut each others throats about.

I personally am not offended at anyone who suggests it was actually 6000 years and God rested 1000 years. At least theyre acknowledging that indeed the Lord did make it all. He could have done it all in the blink of an eye if He had wanted to.

I mean did our all powerful God that heaven and earth cannot contain really use so much of His power that He needed to take a break?

Was He tired? Did He say within Himself "Whew! I just cant do any more. I need a break. This is too much."?
---JackB on 11/16/09


Lee, you write "No one on this forum seems to want to agree with your contention, so why don't you just acknowledge the truth and toss in the towel?"

You confuse Truth and majority belief. Even if what you wrote were true it would be irrelevant. Truth is truth even if no one believes it. Doees the tree still fall if no one sees it happen?

A few bloggers have commented off line that they can't be bothered to debate with you because you make no sense.

However I persist as Truth is pleasing and easy to defend, and I quite enjoy it. I am not in the least bothered by your insults. In fact they are encouraging!

You have also supplied me wonderful information for future talks.
---Warwick on 11/16/09


Lee your nonBiblical philosphy forces you into error.

God defines one day, the first ever day, in Genesis 1:3-5.

You refer to the 'first day' as 'the first period,' when Scripture calls it 'the first day', never a period! You impose your beliefs upon God's word.

You also persist with the nonScriptural, nongrammatical, nonlogical idea that God cannot create 'the first day,' without the sun, which He also created! Bizarre.

Scripture never even hints that the days of creation are of different length. Conversely Genesis ch. 1 Exodus 20:8-11, and Numbers 7:11-42 demonstrate the 'days' are the same length. However as your thinking is not Bible-based you ignore inconvenient Scriptures.

Clearly there was no change!
---Warwick on 11/16/09


//In Genesis 1:3-5 God created light. This light lit up the side of the earth facing the sun.

My little grey cells tell me that the sun was not created until the 4th period. Genesis 1:3-5 refers to the first period where the light was from God, not the sun which was not yet created.

Clearly there was a change in what was viewed as a 'day' during the 1st 3 creation periods from those of the last 3 creation periods. So any reference to what constitutes a 'day' after the creation, would be based upon the earth's rotation in respect to the sun and thus 24 hours in duration.
---Lee1538 on 11/16/09


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No one on this forum seems to want to agree with your contention, so why don't you just acknowledge the truth and toss in the towel?
---Lee1538 on 11/15/09

He cannot. His whole life has been spent teaching a doctrine that hinges on this and Noah's fairy tale world wide flood. He feels he might lose authority(unauthorized)in his life game.
He denies that GOD will do and can do anything he wants to do. He is GOD.
Forcing him to create a different version to make all his doctrines/teachings work rather than admit/study anothers pointing.

He could just acknowledge witnessing scriptures.

His whole self esteem thing would be trashed, if he does this. Better to weld up the cracks in his work....he thinks.
---Trav on 11/16/09


Lee, we have to apply the little grey cells!

In Genesis 1:3-5 God created light. This light lit up the side of the earth facing the sun, leaving darkness on the other. God called the light day and the darkness He called night! And there was evening and there was morning-the first day! A day just as Adam, Abraham, and Amos lived and as you and I live!

Exodus 20:8-11 confirms the creation days were 24hrs.

Outside of Genesis 1 'Evening and morning' are used without 'day' 38 times, 'Evening' or 'morning' are used 23 times, each with 'day.' 'Night' is used with 'day' 52 times. All of these mean ordinary 24hr day.
---Warwick on 11/16/09


//God is eternal therefore outside of time. He created time for us, defining what one day is in Genesis 1:3-5 , the same definition mankind has used since then and up to the present, to define a 24hr day.

Sorry but you really need to read up on what constitutes a definition. Nowhere in the Bible do we find that a day being defined as to its duration.

In Genesis 1:3-5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. NOTHING ABOUT THE TIME DURATION OF A DAY.

No one on this forum seems to want to agree with your contention, so why don't you just acknowledge the truth and toss in the towel?
---Lee1538 on 11/15/09


David, you feign incomprehension of what I have written.

The earth, atmosphere, food and time was created for us by God. It was not created by God for His habitation, as He does not breathe, eat, or live in time, but for us.

You wrote "If God's creative day is 24hrs, and God created everything in 144 hours, then God is not outside time."

Are you claiming Almighty God, who is eternal, cannot have created man and his environment, which is not eternal?

That the days of creation are 24hrs is shown by 1:3-5, and confirmed by Exodus 20:8-11. Or do you imagine God told the Israelites to work six days and rest the seventh, on pain of death, (Exodus 31:14-17), but did not inform them how long their days were?
---Warwick on 11/15/09


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Moses wrote- 'For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday...' Psalms.90:4

Peter also didn't believe 'one day' with God to be 24hrs long-2.Pe.3:8

King David wrote under inspiration that 'God's rest' period (the 7th day) was still running in his day,Psalms.95:11

Paul also wrote that 'God's rest' was still running in his day too,Heb.4:8,9.

Warwick tries to justify his belief that God's day is 24hrs long by attempting to cite scriptural evidence showing 'day' is always 24hrs. (11/14) May be the scriptures he's looking at do. But do they apply to God, or to man in the references he (doesn't) provide(s)?

Faithful Biblical characters cited above show that 'a day' or 'one day' WITH GOD is not a 24hr period.
---David8318 on 11/15/09


Sandra, nowhere does Scripture just say 'a day is as a thousand years with God.'

What makes you think there is a gap between Genesis 1:1-2?

"God didn't do any creating in Genesis except for the whales and man. All other things He just brought order to." You sure didn't get that from Scripture. Read Exodus 20:11 'For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is is them...'

Isn't it clear that God believes He made it all in six days, and rested the seventh? And told the Israelites to do the same, for this reason? Was He telling them to work 6-24hr days or 6-thousand year days?
---Warwick on 11/15/09


Lee God is eternal therefore outside of time. He created time for us, defining what one day is in Genesis 1:3-5 , the same definition mankind has used since then and up to the present, to define a 24hr day.

You would have the Israelites working thousand year days. The unions would object.

No scales here Lee!

Surely it's tax-time for you again?
---Warwick on 11/15/09


Warwick, How can you dogmatically argue the grammatical structure of Gen 1 & 2 when there was no written language for some 1500 years?
I know you've said before that you believe there "was" even there's no evidence.
Reasoning is one thing, dogmatism is quite another!
---cliff on 11/15/09


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People get too caught up in the time of a day in the Genesis work. The Word plainly says that a day is as a thousand years with God.

I am a devoted believer in the Truth and accuracy of the Bible. But I think the Genesis accounts can be taken out of the 24 hour time of a day as we know it. Also, the gap between Genesis 1:1 and verse 2 can be a time of hundreds of thousands of years. God didn't do any creating in Genesis except for the whales and man. All other things He just brought order to.
---Sandra on 11/15/09


Warwick //David as hard as it is for us to understand, God does not live in time. He is eternal, therefore outside of time. He does not have days, weeks, months or years! Time was created for us, as Genesis 1:3-5 shows.

Congratulations!!!! You are starting to get things right. That veil over your eyes is starting to be removed.
---Lee1538 on 11/15/09


Warwick says God is "outside time". (11/14) But I thought Warwick believes God's creative day is 24hrs? That's what he's been saying all the time, isn't it?

If God's creative day is 24hrs, and God created everything in 144 hours, then God is not outside time. Again, I believe Warwick simply doesn't know what he is talking about. Either that or he isn't thinking whilst he is typing, because he is constantly contradicting himself.

Yes, I agree, God does not have hours, days, weeks, months or years. So why does Warwick continue to insist that God created everything in six, 24 hour periods?

Moses didn't believe God's 'day' to be 24hrs. Neither did Peter, nor King David nor the Apostle Paul.
---David8318 on 11/15/09


"Psalm 90:4-6 compares Gods eternality with man's time scale. God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length..." Warwick 11/14

This is precisely Warwick's problem! Warwick says 'God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length'. But Warwick continues to insist that God DOES put a length on his day- "a creative day must be 24hrs long", rants Warwick. So therefore, according to Warwick's own reasoning, as God cannot be 'both eternal and have days of any length', Warwick must therefore believe God is NOT eternal. God is not eternal because God's days are 24hrs long, so reasons Warwick.

Warwick and his fallacious fundamentalist reasoning is both dangerous and deceptive.
---David8318 on 11/15/09


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David, note that day is used with a number in Genesis 1.

It is used as a singular or plural with a number 410 times outside of Genesis and it always means an ordinary day.

Evening and morning are used together without day 38 times outside Genesis 1 and it always indicates an ordinary day.

Evening or 'morning are used 23 times each with day outside Genesis 1 and it always means an ordinary day.

And night is used with day 52 times and it always indicates an ordinary day.

Carefully read the above and you will see 24hr-day is defined in Genesis 1:3-5. If you consider me wrong, please show where creation days are defined as being any other length!
---Warwick on 11/14/09


David your rudeness towards me shows annoyance, not reasoned argument.

No matter what you or I believe, in the Midddle-East each day begins with evening. The Jewish Sabbath begins Friday evening and concludes when Saturday evening begins-one 24hr day.

God's word says 'There was evening and there was morning-one day.' Genesis 1:5. obviously you believe the term 'evening and morning' means the day has ended whereas God says they are the two components of a 24hr day.

Why would God tell the Israelites to work 6-days and rest the 7th 'for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth ...' if this was not understandable truth?
---Warwick on 11/14/09


David as hard as it is for us to understand, God does not live in time. He is eternal, therefore outside of time. He does not have days, weeks, months or years! Time was created for us, as Genesis 1:3-5 shows.

Psalm 90:4-6 compares Gods eternality with man's time scale. God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length. Surely you can see that?

The Psalm was written for man, and Moses could only use 'a day' and 'a thousand years,' to show God is outside time, because he and his readers already knew what the words meant. Same for Peter.
---Warwick on 11/14/09


The expression 'there came to be evening and morning' concluding each of the 6 creative days is significant. Fundamentalists will try to explain this as meaning 24hrs. They propound crazy, non-sensical explanations-ie Warwick 11/13.

If we take the fundamentalist view & consider the expression 'evening & morning' literally, then it would only be 12hrs long. Surely if God meant 24hrs, he would have said 'there came to be evening and there came to be another evening'.

But God wasn't discussing the length of a creative day. Rather, in the evening time, things may not be so discernable, as at the start of Gods creative activity. When Gods works are completed and all is revealed, it 'dawns' on everyone what God purposed.Pr.4:18.
---David8318 on 11/14/09


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I never said Peter was discussing creation when he wrote 2 Peter 3:8. BUT, as he was writing under inspiration, it tells us a lot about how God thinks of time in relation to the human experience of time.

2 Peter 3:8 also puts to bed the claim that "day" accompanied with a number, (as in "one day") is somehow always 24hrs long in scriptural terms.

More significantly however, is that Peter is in agreement with Moses who first indicated that 'a day' is with God as a thousand years, when Moses gave praise to God as Creator at Psalms 90:1-4. I wonder whether Peter had Ps.90:4 in mind when he wrote 2Pe.3:8.
---David8318 on 11/14/09


Jerry 2 continue:
I understand by your stand that you go to Church on Saturday. Is that the only day you go to Church? If not, what is the difference between the one on Saturday and any other day you go? Do you worship different? Does the Holy Spirit come in different on Saturday then any other day? Or, because most of the people from the congregation show up on Saturday's, does that make it a Sabbath?
What happens to those who don't show up? They missed the Sabbath, what happens to them? Do they lose grace? What happens when someone works on the Sabbath and cannot attend? Is he disfellowship? Just for my information, this way I know more about what you believe.
---MarkV. on 11/14/09


Jerry //You have basically two choices:

There is clearly a 3rd choice - that the record does not reveal the length of the Creation days. That much cannot be disputed.

There is no reason that one has to believe the verses in Exodus limited the duration of the Creation periods as there were 6 periods God called 'days'.

And we can all agree with David that Warwick really does not know what he is talking about as his god is apparently limited by his concept of time. He apparently views God as does the Mormons, that He is a man liken to what we are.

God merely needed to call into being whatever He created without looking at a timepiece.
---Lee1538 on 11/14/09


Jerry, you still cannot give me a passage where God said He begin to create on Sunday and rested on Saturday. There is many things God said but those days He never mentioned. I know what man did through Scripture, and what days they had the Sabbath, in fact there was other days they called the Sabbath, all were traditional days man put down themselves.
Jerry, if you find something in Scripture pass it on to me. The stars did not say the Sabbath is Saturday or that a day in the sky is Saturday.

Even though you consider Saturday Sabbath, the New Covenant believer still rest in Christ. And his Sabbath is everyday for we are with Him always not just on Saturday. In fact I go to church Sunday's, Wed. and Fridays.
---MarkV. on 11/14/09


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I'm told I don't believe the 7th day began or ended. Warwick is either unable to read and understand my previous posts or his fundamentalist thinking prevents him from considering any alternative other than his own.

The 7th day began, that's without question, Gen.2:1-3 confirms this.

What the scriptures don't say is that the 7th day has ended YET. Rather, the scriptures reveal Gods 'rest' is still running.

Gods 'rest' was running in David's day.Ps.95:11.

It was running in Paul's day.Heb.4:8,9.

And nowhere is the concluding expression 'evening and morning' found. Wasn't the Jewish day from evening to evening? Evening to morning is not a 24 hr period. I believe Warwick doesn't quite know what he's talking about.
---David8318 on 11/14/09


David, 2 Peter 3:8 is not about creation but about those who claimed Christ was slow in returning. It continues saying a thousand years is like a day to God. To quote only the first part is misleading. This demonstrates God is outside of time, eternal, having no days of any length.

Conversely Exodus 20:8-11 concerns the creation days. God commanded His follows to work 6-days, rest the 7th because He created in 6-days, rested the 7th. To suggest both sets of 7 days are not equal length makes this Commandment meaningless, makes no sense gramatically or logically.

Further Jesus said (Mark 10:6) the creator made humans at the 'beginning of creation', not thousands or millions of years later.
---Warwick on 11/14/09


David you wrote "I would rather take the view of Moses and the Apostle Peter than short sighted fundamentalists."

A fundamentalist is a Christian who believes God's word is the only absolute Truth. By your self-given definition you don't.

Jesus and the apostles quoted from Genesis, chapters 1-11 107 times and always as historical reality. In fact the gospel is based only upon Genesis being a true record of history.

It was Moses who delivered the 10 Commandments including the fact that God had written that He created in 6-days. Six days are six days.
---Warwick on 11/14/09


Lee: Cluny didn't answer. Perhaps you will.

You have basically two choices:

(1) God meant exactly what He said when writing to His children in Exo 20:11 - just what a child would read - SIX LITERAL DAYS.

or...

(2) He meant SIX "FLEX" DAYS, where each day may be of some extreme, but unknown, length. (In which case it would be difficult for His children to count the six days and rest the seventh according to His command.)

If you chose (2), then you concieve of God as intentionally deceiving us. Is that the kind of God you serve?
---jerry6593 on 11/14/09


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David, I believe the 7th day began and ended. You don't!

I wrote : "If the 7th day is still going because it lacks 'evening and morning' then by the same reasoning (your reasoning) it never began." But it was a 24hr day-see Exodus 20:8-11.

You said that the lack of 'evening and morning' meant it had never ended.

My point is that in Jewish life a day begins with evening followed by morning, the 2 components of a 24hr day. Therefore if the lack of 'evening and morning' means it has not finished, it also means it never began, because 'evening' indicates its beginning. Think about it!
---Warwick on 11/13/09


It can be easily explained.

There a 4 facets to scripture. I will only address 2 here. There is the literal (God created the universe in 7-days ( the one we now live in).

Then there is the Prophetic. We are still in the creation and when Christ returns we will enter our rest and the New Earth and heavens and creation is completed.

The 7th day. The day of rest.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/13/09


Lee you wrote 'As to the 6 literal day thing, the record simply does not support that view."

In reality 24hr days is the only view Scripture supports.

In your nonBiblical fable God Commanded His people to work 6 time-periods and rest the 7th, but didn't tell them how long these time-periods were! Of course He told us these time-periods were made up of night and day, darkness and light, (sounds like an ordinary day) but you say we cannot know what that means!

And then (as per your view) God told Moses anyone working on the unknowable 7th time-period was to be put to death. What a bumbling-stumbling monster God you propose!

Fortunately for them and us you are wrong.
---Warwick on 11/13/09


Were the 6 creative days 24hrs long as fundamentalists believe?

"...the 6 days of creation are 6 days, as we live them..." Warwick 11/12

I disagree. Psalms 90:1-4 is an inspired song praising the creative acts of God which interestingly was penned by Moses himself, the one who under inspiration wrote the creation account in Genesis.

After relating how God brought 'mountains to birth', and how the 'earth was formed', Moses wrote at Ps.90:4- "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past..." (KJ)

"ONE day is with the Lord as a thousand years..." 2 Peter 3:8.

I would rather take the view of Moses and the Apostle Peter than short sighted fundamentalists.
---David8318 on 11/13/09


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(If the 7th day is still going because it lacks 'evening and morning' then by the same reasoning it never began). Warwick 11/12

What reasoning is this? If the previous 6 creative days END with 'evening & morning', why does Warwick think the 7th day never began? "Today hasn't started yet because we haven't reached the end"! How bizarre!

Gods 7th day of rest began because He said it began, Gen.2:1-3.

What God doesn't say is that the 7th day ended. Remember, each of the previous 6 creative days CONCLUDE with the expression 'there came to be evening & morning'. They didn't start with this expression.

Paul said 'Gods rest' was still running in his day, Heb.4:9,10, some 4000 yrs after Ge.2:1-3.
---David8318 on 11/13/09


Exodus 12:1-2 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,"This month shall be for you the beginning of months. It shall be the first month of the year for you".

According to this verse, the Jewish calendar started with Moses and there is no reason to believe it reflected anything the Egyptians or other tribes possesses.

So we can reasonably believe that the Sabbath also started with Moses since we can find nothing about its observance prior to his time.

As to the 6 literal day thing, the record simply does not support that view.
---lee on 11/13/09


MarkV: You are really experiencing some attention issues, aren't you? Do you think that Jesus knew what day was the REAL Sabbath? (After all, He was the one who made it holy.) Then all we have to do is go back 2000 years - not to creation - to find which day is the Sabbath. Do you understand that professional astronomers (like the ones at the US Naval Observatory) are able to tell the day of the week thousands of years in the past or into the future. You could look it up yourself, or just keep your head in the sand and and keep uttering nonsense.

Do you realize that in the majority of major languages worldwide, the name for the day we call Saturday is a variant of "Sabbath." Do you think that's just a coincidence?
---jerry6593 on 11/13/09


cluny: Are you still there? Did you choose # 1 or # 2?
---jerry6593 on 11/13/09


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Jerry, you are prideful, You call my remark petty?,

"MarkV: "We heard you speak already and what you teach is prideful." Now there's a "petty" remark."

Is it really? You say God commanded us to rest on Saturday and since we believe in resting in Christ when we want, you are calling us sinners for breaking the law. God commands you not to sin and you break the law all the time. So how can you stand there and judge others for sinning as you think they are for not resting on Saturday and excuse your own sins? You got no place to judge others when you are a sinner yourself.
You do have pride, pride in been an SDA because you rest on Saturday and stand as an accuser to those that don't.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09


"Since God rested on the 7th day, does that mean He is still resting?"

That would explain a lot...
---atheist on 11/12/09


David contrary to what you write the Lord says "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Therefore the 6 days of creation are 6 days, as we live them, and the time period when everything stated above, was made.

I think you are propounding the gap theory which has no basis in Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/12/09


David regarding Genesis 2:4, the word used here does not denote 24hr day but means 'when'. This is how most translations have it. We say 'in my fathers day' meaning when he was alive. For 'day' to mean 24hrs it must be accompained by a number e.g. one day or the first day.

If the 7th day is still going because it lacks 'evening and morning' then by the same reasoning it never began. In Exodus 20:8-11 the Lord shows the 7th day is a 24hr day like the previous 6!

In Exodus 20:8-11 God told His people to work 6-days and rest the 7th 'For in six-days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the 7th day..." He created and rested over a period of 7 days, setting mankind a pattern.
---Warwick on 11/12/09


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'Since God rested on the 7th day, does that mean He is still resting?' AlanUK 11/11.

Yes. God has been resting from creative works of the sort described in Genesis chapters one and two.

Coming back to Genesis 2:4, the heavens and the physical planet earth were created before the 6 creative days began- Genesis 1:1. The creation of planet earth, whenever that happened was before the start of the 6 creative days. It is a misunderstanding to conclude that planet earth was created sometime during the 6 creative days.

The 6 creative "days" therefore, involve the creative acts of God in preparing the already-existing earth for human habitation, and not the creation of the earth itself.
---David8318 on 11/12/09


Jerry, your main point is Saturday. You grip about Saturday to everyone. you don't believe the believer is resting in Christ, you want all of them to go to church on Saturday and rest then because as you say,

"(4) According to the US Naval Observatory and millions of Jews worldwide, the weekly Sunday through Saturday cycle has not changed in the past 2000 years."

So the Navy quoted from Scripture what day the Lord begin to create and they said Sunday was day one, and all the Jews said God begin on Sunday also, but you have not given one passage where God says that. Not one. Zero. Now should we believe the Navy, and a lot of Jews who are lost and sinners? Or should we believe God?
---MarkV. on 11/12/09


MarkV: "We heard you speak already and what you teach is prideful." Now there's a "petty" remark.

A history lesson:

(1) Jesus is the Creator (Joh 1:3, Heb 1:2). He made only the seventh day holy and commanded that it be remembered. (Gen 2:3, Ex 20:11)

(2) Jesus led the Israelites through the wilderness (1Co 10:4). He taught them the true seventh day in the lesson of the manna (Exo 16:15-27).

(3) Jesus customarily kept the seventh-day Sabbath Himself 2000 years ago (Luk 4:16).

(4) According to the US Naval Observatory and millions of Jews worldwide, the weekly Sunday through Saturday cycle has not changed in the past 2000 years.
---jerry6593 on 11/12/09


Dave ... "The 7th day is still running"

Since God rested on the 7th day, does that mean He is still resting?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/11/09


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At Genesis 2:4, God created the heavens and the earth in a "day". That "day" is itself divided into 6 further "days".

The 7th day is still running, as God has yet to declare it "good" to correspond with the previous 6. His declaration, 'it came to be evening & morning...' has not yet been said regarding the 7th day, a declaration of which will occur at its conclusion.

Paul at Hebrews 4:9 confirms the 7th day was still running in his day.

The Israelites were instructed at Exodus 20 to pattern their working week on God's creative week. Not that the 7th day would go on indefinitely. God's 7th day will eventually come to a conclusion under the 'Lord of the Sabbath', Christ. (Mt.12:8)
---David8318 on 11/11/09


Jerry, when you can come out with a passage that tells us that in Genesis God started the first day creation on Sunday and that He rested on Saturday, that since He rested on Saturday, we should all rest on Saturday. Please provide one passage. Please, we don't want to hear your opinion, we want the Word of God to speak to us. We heard you speak already and what you teach is prideful. Because you suggest if we don't do this on Saturday we are breaking the commandments. And since you are a sinner as everybody is, you break His laws all the time. Are you better sinner for resting on Saturday?
---MarkV. on 11/11/09


"Well, yes He meant it. And He also meant for us to rest on the seventh day, too....Which for most of us it is Sunday."
---catherine on 11/10/09

Check a calendar or the dictionary. The seventh day is Saturday. Sunday is a man-made counterfeit.
---jerry6593 on 11/11/09


Well, yes He meant it. And He also meant for us to rest on the seventh day, too....Which for most of us it is Sunday.
---catherine on 11/10/09


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Jerry, I just answered you on another blog and told you why you were on line. To push the believes of the SDA's on others. The evidence is in your question about days, so that you could come out with the Sabbath again and why others do not follow it. It really has nothing to do with how many days the earth and heavens were created in, which is another topic altogether. You try to fish people in to your topic, which most other Christians don't follow, because our rest is in Christ.
---MarkV. on 11/10/09


cluny: "I believe whatever God meant by it."

OK. Then you have basically two choices:

(1) He meant exactly what He said when writing to His children - just what a child would read - SIX LITERAL DAYS.

or...

(2) He meant SIX "FLEX" DAYS, where each day may be of some extreme, but unknown, length. (In which case it would be difficult for His children to count the six days and rest the seventh according to His command.)

If you chose (2), then you concieve of God as intentionally deceiving us. Is that the kind of God you serve?
---jerry6593 on 11/10/09


Cluny it is a statement of the obvious that God does not experience time as we do. God is eternal therefore does not inhabit time. He is timeless. As Genesis shows time was created for us. Therefore when God says He created in 6-days He means 6 earth days, days as we experience them. I do not know anyone who does not know what 6-days means, i.e 'I work 6-days per week.'

Why then do people have trouble understanding what God meant when He said He created all there is in 6-days so that we should work for 6-days? After all He created our days, and must know how long they are!

The doubt or confusion does not come from Scripture.
---Warwick on 11/7/09


\\ cluny: BTW, is that your first-, last- or nick-name?

Now that we've agreed that God did indeed write with His own finger that He created the heaven, earth, and ALL life in six days (and commanded us to keep the seventh day holy), the only issue remaining is DO YOU BELIEVE HIM?
---jerry6593 on 11/7/09\\

It's the name of my cat, if it matters.

I believe whatever God meant by it.

I also believe that God does not experience time as we do.
---Cluny on 11/7/09


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cluny: BTW, is that your first-, last- or nick-name?

Now that we've agreed that God did indeed write with His own finger that He created the heaven, earth, and ALL life in six days (and commanded us to keep the seventh day holy), the only issue remaining is DO YOU BELIEVE HIM?
---jerry6593 on 11/7/09


\\
c-looney: "Can you please tell me which of the Ten Commandments says, "God made life," or words to that effect?"

For a guy that claims to be able to out-Bible everyone else in multiple languages, you sure are biblically illiterate.

Within the Fourth Commandment are these words:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and ALL that in them is, \\

Thank you for refreshing my memory, james.

And if you think you're being witty in your pun on my name, you're half right.
---Cluny on 11/6/09


c-looney: "Can you please tell me which of the Ten Commandments says, "God made life," or words to that effect?"

For a guy that claims to be able to out-Bible everyone else in multiple languages, you sure are biblically illiterate.

Within the Fourth Commandment are these words:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and ALL that in them is,

Wouldn't you agree that ALL life is found within heaven, earth and the sea? Can you name another place where life is found?
---jerry6593 on 11/6/09


\\ cluny: "Actually, God didn't write this. Moses did."

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.\\

Can you please tell me which of the Ten Commandments says, "God made life," or words to that effect?
---Cluny on 11/5/09


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cluny: "Actually, God didn't write this. Moses did."

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
---jerry6593 on 11/5/09


Yes God means what he says and he says what he means: for 1,000 years to man on earth is equal to 1 day to God in heaven.
---Eloy on 11/5/09


\\iam sure had he wanted God could have made everything in 6 seconds,but then we never ,or might not have a 7 day week.Iam not concerned with how,or how long it took,knowing he did it is good for me.
---tom2 on 11/4/09\\

Amen, tom2!
---Cluny on 11/4/09


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God's Word does not return to Him 'Void'. So, If He said it, then He really meant it.




Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and those who utilize it, having nothing edifying to share, are the only ones who are fruitlessly taking up space on these treads and bringing us closer to that 75 mark limit faster !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 11/4/09


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Our God is not a God of confusion,six days means six days.
---tom2 on 11/4/09


Actually, God didn't write this. Moses did. You don't really think God manipulated pen and ink on parchment, do you?

But something tells me this is going to become another 75 (now 74) installment fruitless argument about whether the days in Genesis are 24 hour earthly days.
---Cluny on 11/4/09


iam sure had he wanted God could have made everything in 6 seconds,but then we never ,or might not have a 7 day week.Iam not concerned with how,or how long it took,knowing he did it is good for me.
---tom2 on 11/4/09


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