How To Speak In Tongues
|
|
I would tell him that it is not important. His strong belief is important and focus on diligently seeking God in all areas of his life. God uses and loves His children in His own way and time. You can't learn to "speak in tongues". The Bible tells us to pray for the gift of prophecy. That (prophecy) IS the mind of Christ. It doesn't tell us to pray to speak in tongues. Jesus NEVER spoke of tongues as necessary for salvation, spiritual growth or service. |
|
---jody on 11/18/09 |
I would tell him tongues were for a sign to the Jews that the Gentiles had also been adopted into the family of God. I would then tell him that this sign had ceased.
1Co13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease, whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. |
|
---trey on 11/18/09 |
The Gift is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost the tongues are the evidence of the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost,and began to speak with other tongues,as the Spirit gave them utterance. This tells us they all were filled with HG and "began to speak with other tongues". So you see it wasn't a gift of hearing by those who heard them speak,a very good reason it wasn't is because the Gift of the Baptism of HG wasn't on those who were from all the different areas and heard. It was only manifested on those who received the full infilling and the HG Spirit of God spoke through them. Hope this helps. God Bless |
|
---Darlene_1 on 11/18/09 |
IF, it is a gift today, why would you ask for the least of the SIGN gifts to Israel? Plus if you are a women aren't you supposed to keep silent in the church? |
|
---michael on 11/18/09 |
RebeccaD ... Nice to see you again!
Do you mean "when" of "if"? |
|
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/17/09 |
You're friend needs to seek God while fasting and praying. He needs to have faith and have patience. He will speak in tongues when God wants him to and use him the most. |
|
---Rebecca_D on 11/17/09 |
cluny....Wow! You been keeping a secret? You're a monk? What's up Jack???? |
|
---KarenD on 11/17/09 |
cluny --- When someone asked earlier, I thought you said you were a female and the name "cluny" was a nickname! Now you are an orthodox monk. I was sure I didn't remember incorrectly. Did I? |
|
---Donna66 on 11/12/09 |
AlanofUK --HA! You must be deluded! THEY know all about you! They even know your (and others) standing with God and feel duty-bound to tell you. |
|
---Donna6 on 11/12/09 |
I asked a Buddhist monk living in a refugee camp years ago if he monkeyed around much. I was there to distribute pamphlets of the Gospel according to John.
Do monks in the Orthodox denomination do much the same? |
|
---Lee1538 on 11/12/09 |
Cluny //Especially those who say that speaking in tongues is part of the Orthodox spirituality or monastic tradition know nothing of Orthodoxy.
It's in the literature for all to read. And I have already quoted from 2 sources, do you need more?
But you need not be ashamed of having the Holy Spirit speak thru you even in words that are not intelligible. Romans 8:26 |
|
---Lee1538 on 11/11/09 |
Cluny ... Read the whole of my post, and I think you will understand my meaning!!
For '"know"', read "claim to know" |
|
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/11/09 |
\\There are those who "know" more about the Orthodox church than you, who have been a monk for 30 years.\\
Clearly not on here.
Especially those who say that speaking in tongues is part of the Orthodox spirituality or monastic tradition know nothing of Orthodoxy. |
|
---Cluny on 11/10/09 |
Mima, please tell your friend to meditate & pray on John 14:21 often and follow it. |
|
---Adetunji on 11/10/09 |
Cluny ... there are a lot of folk here who know more about our beliefs than we do ourselves!!
There are those who "know" more about the Orthodox church than you, who have been a monk for 30 years.
There are those who "know" more about the RCC than life-long RCs like Emcee & Ruben
There are those who "know" that when you and I celebrate Christ's birth, we are celebrating a death.
There are those who "know" I am not a widower
There are those who "know" that when I say He is Sovereign, I am taking glory for my own salvation.
There are those who "know" that I am a woman and don't live in England.
Strange, for I still think I am ... |
|
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/10/09 |
Lee, since neither you nor mima really know me, neither of you are in a position to say what I should do.
mima, can you tell me what my comments reveal?
Please be precise. |
|
---Cluny on 11/10/09 |
Lee I too found this statement"I've been an Orthodox monk for over 30 years." by Cluny to be very revealing and I must say it explains many attitudes that I've seen in Cluny's post here on Christianet. |
|
---mima on 11/10/09 |
Cluny - *Lee, I've been an Orthodox monk for over 30 years.
Maybe it is time you bail out of your cocoon and find out what it is all about.You apparently have spend too much time isolated from the rest of Christiandom.
I find nothing really wrong with the gift of tongues except that all too many who believe they have that gift really do not. |
|
---Lee1538 on 11/10/09 |
\\ Apparently you are less knowledgeable about your own church than you really think.
"The Eastern Church, with its strong mystical leanings, never fully lost the gift of tongues and made provision for its regulation and use." Rev. Robert J. Sanders, Ph.D March 1995.
There is also a reference to the Eastern Orthodox practice from Morton T. Kelsey in his book Tongue Speaking.\\
Lee, I've been an Orthodox monk for over 30 years.
These people don't know what they are talking about.
You might want to read what Orthodox monks themselves have actually said about this practice, starting with Fr. Seraphim Rose's Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future. |
|
---Cluny on 11/9/09 |
Read These Insightful Articles About Schools
|
Everyone has different gifts. I don't think that he should worry so much. |
|
---amand6348 on 11/8/09 |
lit.Gk: "For the speaking in a tongue, not the man speaks, but of God: for no one follows, but the Spirit speaks mysteries. Therefore if indeed speaking in a tongue let him pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, the Spirit in me prays, but the knowlewdge in me is unfruitful. What then to be? I will pray in the Spirit, and I will pray also in the knowledge. Else if you bless in the Spirit, how will he which occupying the place of the unintiate say the Amen at your giving thanks, since what you say he knows not? For truly you give thanks well, but the other is not edified. As brothers, crave the prophesying, and not forbid the speaking in tongues." I Corinthians 14:2,13-17,39. |
|
---Eloy on 11/8/09 |
When people speak in an "unknown tongue" (non language, ecstatic babble) only God can understand they're really saying nothing, just nonsensical pagan babble -- not a real language. That's why no man can interpret or understand it.
Today, like it was in Paul's day, believers are trying to MAKE THEMSELVES SPEAK in unknown tongues (languages) like Peter & other disciples ligitimately did at Pentecost. It was ( & yet is) a gift from God.
In 1 Cor. 14, Paul warned believers not to practice unedifying babbling. If one is truly gifted by God to speak in tongues, he/she will. Instead, prophecy (speak the Gospel of Jesus Christ) to the edifying & building up of the Church, & advancement of God's kingdom on earth. |
|
---Leon on 11/7/09 |
When people speak in an "unknown tongue" (non language, ecstatic babble) only God can understand they're really saying nothing, just nonsensical pagan babble -- not a real language. That's why no man can interpret or understand it.
Today, like in Paul's day, believers are trying to MAKE THEMSELVES SPEAK in unknown tongues (languages) like Peter & other disciples ligitimately did at Pentecost. It was ( & yet is) a gift from God.
1 Cor 14: Paul warned believers not to practice unedifying babbling. If one is truly gifted by God to speak in tongues, he/she will. Instead, prophecy (speak the Gospel of Jesus Christ) to the edifying & building up of the Church, & advancement of God's kingdom on earth. |
|
---Leon on 11/7/09 |
| Read These Insightful Articles About Stocks
|
I believe we hear God all the time, God is all there is.
God bless you.
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Thou wilt say then unto me, why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, why hast thou made me thus?
I love this
Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee |
|
---TheSeg on 11/7/09 |
Cluny //I don't know where you got this tidbit (about tongue speaking in the Orthodox church), but obviously you are not well informed about either Eastern Orthodoxy OR her monasticism.
Apparently you are less knowledgeable about your own church than you really think.
"The Eastern Church, with its strong mystical leanings, never fully lost the gift of tongues and made provision for its regulation and use." Rev. Robert J. Sanders, Ph.D March 1995.
There is also a reference to the Eastern Orthodox practice from Morton T. Kelsey in his book Tongue Speaking. |
|
---Lee1538 on 11/7/09 |
The Seq ... Point taken ... BUT if they had been strange sounds, how was it that everyone understood in their own language? |
|
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/7/09 |
ps
Just in case
Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem.
be this known unto you!
They would have understood Greek, right.
Maybe not all, but some or just one!
Go ahead find a way around it.
God love you |
|
---TheSeg on 11/7/09 |
Glossalalia was practiced long before Pentacost.
Practically every aboriginal religion had/has some form of "tongues"
To all be speaking different languages at the same time would be like "Babel"
The miracle was not in the mouth of the speaker but in the "hearing" of the listener!
God is not the author of "confusion"
Acts 2.12. "we HEAR them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" |
|
---1st_cliff on 11/7/09 |
There is a difference between glossalia or utterances and tongues. The unspoken prayer language may edify he who speaks it to God in private, but tongues was the wonderful reversal of Babel and the first supernatural act of the great commission.
The beauty of Pentacost was that no one for any reason was beyond the reach of the Gospel. Everyone heard the gospel in his own language. Praise his Holy name! |
|
---larry on 11/7/09 |
There's nothing in the report of that occasion, to suggest that the disciples speak in unknown sounds.
Ever heard a drunk speak?
Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
The Spirit gave them utterance!
Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?
When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? |
|
---TheSeg on 11/6/09 |
there is an order that God has for the body of christ and its to benefit the christian. Speaking in tongues is to be done in the way God set it up 1 corinth 14:27,28 shows it and also tongeus is another langauge not familiar to the listener.Acts 2:4-11 God wont the hearer to understand what is being said. Exortation and edification will be brought about when words of understanding are spoken [God bless] |
|
---laverne on 11/6/09 |
| Read These Insightful Articles About Diabetes
|
In prayer he should ask Jesus for this gift, for glossalalia comes from heaven and not from earth. |
|
---Eloy on 11/6/09 |
Cluny ... Yes I think Pentecost was about the gift of ears ... with the disciples speaking in their own language, but people hearing in their own (possibly dozens) seperate languages.
There's nothing in the report of that occasion, to suggest that the disciples speak in unknown sounds. But that does now occur, min prayer and praise. I don,t do it myself, but have witnessed it (and received pryaer in that fashion) and am convinced it is genuine.
However, it is not somehting that can be acquired by training. |
|
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/6/09 |
\\Same at Petecost when they spoke (probably Greek) each "heard them in their own tongue,no headphones,HS interpreting as they spoke!
Acts2.8."How is it each of us hears them in his own native tongue?"
HS interpreting made it look like they were "speaking" in tongues!
---1st_cliff on 11/6/09\\
What you seem to be describing is not a gift of tongues, but a gift of ears. |
|
---Cluny on 11/6/09 |
Mima, If you go to the U.N meetings you see rep.s from every country,sitting with headphones ,as the speaker addresses them they each "hear" him in their own language.How?
Same at Petecost when they spoke (probably Greek) each "heard them in their own tongue,no headphones,HS interpreting as they spoke!
Acts2.8."How is it each of us hears them in his own native tongue?"
HS interpreting made it look like they were "speaking" in tongues! |
|
---1st_cliff on 11/6/09 |
For those who believe tongues to be senseless babbling I suggest a close reading of first Corinthians 14:2,
" For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him, howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. "
When you hear someone speaking in tongues and not being interpreted perhaps that person is speaking in an unknown tongue. Consider this phrase"for no man understandeth him," |
|
---mima on 11/6/09 |
\\But does not the Eastern Orthodox church have rules governing the speaking of tongues?
I understand that historically you will find it to be be common among the monks in the Eastern church.\\
I don't know where you got this tidbit, but obviously you are not well informed about either Eastern Orthodoxy OR her monasticism. |
|
---Cluny on 11/6/09 |
Cluny -//Too often I've seen people teach others how to speak in tongues, including Evangel Temple in Houston, TX (home of the Happy Hunters).
But does not the Eastern Orthodox church have rules governing the speaking of tongues?
I understand that historically you will find it to be be common among the monks in the Eastern church.
Of course, many of those that play the game of religion like to babble anyhow so tongues really fits them good. |
|
---Lee1538 on 11/6/09 |
While the Holy Spirit gives gifts for the edification of the church, I would tell him that he should focus on asking whatever would accomplish that and leave it to the Lord. |
|
---lee on 11/5/09 |
When I hear of people wanting the gift of tongues, I always wonder why people aren't seeking God for the gift of giving. |
|
---Rod4Him on 11/5/09 |
It is simple. Jesus told HIS followers to wait until they were endowed with the Holy Spirit. They prayed and were IN UNITY before the Holy Spirit fell upon them. The Holy Spirit is still available today to those who wait and pray. The timing of the receiving of the Holy Spirit is not up to the individual. It is up to the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is the evidence of the receipt of the Holy Spirit as was evident in that upper room. |
|
---KarenD on 11/5/09 |
Mima, Tell him to forget it, it's theatrical, The demons are getting a big laugh playing a joke on humans!
Tell him seeking first the Kingdom is not talking in gibberish! |
|
---1st_cliff on 11/5/09 |
Too often I've seen people teach others how to speak in tongues, includin Evangel Temple in Houston, TX (home of the Happy Hunters).
If you can teach someone how to do something, then it's a technique and NOT a gift. |
|
---Cluny on 11/5/09 |
You should tell him you want to lay hands on him and Baptize Him in the Holy Spirit.
Tell him to read the book of Acts and see how they got the Gift of Tongues. By the laying on of hands.
He needs to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit first since tongues are of the Spirit of God, they are given through the Holy Spirit. |
|
---Donna on 11/5/09 |
|
|
|
