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Should Women Teach In Church

Should women teach in the church? Why or why not?

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and some preach the word of God , if he used a cock and a donkey then surely god will use whatever means to get his word across
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how absurd ...did you READ the account or do you just carelessly use it to demonstrate your point APART from Scripure

re-read the accounts again and then decide for what purpose were they used ...it is not the one you SELL

The donkey and cock were not preaching and teaching and LEADING ANY church

the world screams equal rights and those who LOVE the world more than Gods Holy Word choose to fight for their worldly rights

simply stated not one example of a female LEADING any church ...True Christians women submit to their husbands they don't "lead them"
---Rhonda on 12/30/09


Lea:

1 CORIN. 14:33 For: God is not a God of confusion, but of peace), as in ALL the CHURCHES of the saints.


34 Let the women be silent in the churches: for it is not permitted to
them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also saith THE LAW, the law the law.

Lea, do u consent to the example ESTABLISHED by ALL ALL CHURCHES of SAINTS, Into the church age?

Did u know that Paul wrote Galatians 3:28? Would He contradict himself?
Or is it that u don't know how to rightly divide the Word? Should we be believe apostles or apostates teachings?
---Paul9594 on 12/30/09


yes women should teach in the church
---lea on 12/28/09

Why not. What is GOD gonna do.

Blame it on Lea....she's not scared.
Are you willing take full responsibility for anyone that wants to use your testimoney as a witness?

Preacher/teacher Lea.

After all, they were not afraid to post their in Corinthians,valid for appx two thousand years...until lea & Lee. (Any relationship here?)
---Trav on 12/30/09


They do not read the phrase 'not according to the covenant' God made with the Jewish people.

---Lee1538 on 12/25/09

Lee, missed the interpretation by a few grains of sand...number of the sand of the beach or stars in heaven.

Wording is:I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel AND with house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:8
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL IS TEN NATIONS ACTUALLY ELEVEN. JUDAH(JEWS) DO NOT REPRESENT ALL ISRAEL.
Never have...never will.

Hebrews 11:12
...as the stars of the sky in multitude, as the sand by sea shore innumerable.
Genesis 22:17
...in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore..
---Trav on 12/30/09


Paul9594: Then all of the churches of God should close their doors. There are women teachers in all churches. When we are in doubt as to what the scriptures are saying we should let it be. There should be no argument and ranglings over it. Especially among Christians. There are many scriptures in the bible today that we don't completely adhere to,twist around and just plain don't understand. That's ok. God looks at the intents of our hearts. We can miss God on some things and that's ok. We won't be thrown into Hell for that. You can read Romans chapter 14 also when you are in doubt on spiritual things. That may help some. God bless you.
---Robyn on 12/29/09




yes women should teach in the church

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

and some preach the word of God , if he used a cock and a donkey then surely god will use whatever means to get his word across
---lea on 12/28/09


Robyn:

1 CORIN. 14:33 For: God is not a God of confusion, but of peace), as in ALL the CHURCHES of the saints.
34 Let the women be silent in the churches: for it is not permitted to
them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also saith THE LAW, the law the law.

Do u consent to the Apostles teaching, 25 yrs approx., AFTER the resurrection of Christ, and INTO THE CHURCH AGE?

How are women keeping everything together?

By denying their position in marriage out respect, out of love, for the sake of the union?

Now a days women don't understand the romantic-submissive role in marriage to their own detriment!!
---Paul9594 on 12/28/09


Re: Mt. 5:17-20

Did Christ teach that Jews should observe all the Torah law?

Yes, when the Jewish man asked Jesus "what good deed must I do to have eternal life"... He answered "If you would enter life, keep the commandments".

that would include the command to become circumcised and obey all the Torah laws since the Jews were still under the Old Covenant dispensation.

Did Christ teach that Gentiles should obey the Torah laws?

Apparently not since the Jerusalem council (Acts 15) held Gentiles need not become circumcised or observe the Torah law.

After the Cross, believers were not under the old ministry of death & condemnation written on stone (2 Cor.3:7f) given at Mt. Sinai.
---Lee on 12/28/09


Paul9594 - Mt. 5:19 Whosoever shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

One of those laws is that one should go down to the Rabbi and get himself and his sons circumcised. Have you done that yet and do we teach that one need not observe that law?

Fortunately for us in Christ, He has redeemed us from the Torah law.

Gal.4:4b-5 God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

When are you going to consent to this Teaching of Christ?
---Lee1538 on 12/28/09


Why not? We keep everything else together in life. But it is a position and calling that should not be taken lightly. If God uses her to teach children or adults, she needs to be anointed, spirit-filled and have a love of ministry. Women have many roles to play in life and are quite good, at them. Teaching is another area God can use women.
---Robyn on 12/27/09




Mt.7:18 For verily I say, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The expression 'till heaven & earth pass' denotes the law never should be destroyed till it should be all fulfilled.

the same as saying, everything else may change-the very earth and heaven may pass away-but the law of God shall not be destroyed, till its whole design shall be accomplished.

The laws are commonly divided into moral, ceremonial, & judicial.

The moral laws grow out of the nature of things, cannot be changed-such as the duty of loving God and his creatures.

The ceremonial laws can be changed to regulate the religious rites & ceremonies of a people.
---Lee1538 on 12/26/09


JackB:

U said:
....Paul, because the New Testament (covenant) is what I go by.///

Good because Christ brings the New Covenant, and he said:


18 For Amn I say unto you, Till :heaven
and :earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from
the law, till all things come to pass.

19 Whoso therefore shall break one of
these the least :commandments, and shall teach :men so, shall be called
least in the kingdom of the heavens, but whoso shall do and teach them, the
same shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

Do you cosent to this Teaching of Christ?
---Paul9594 on 12/26/09


//Jeremiah 31:31-32 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:not according to the covenant I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand out of Egypt.

The problem with the legalists is they believe the New Covenant is merely a re-hash to the Old Sinatic Covenant. They do not read the phrase 'not according to the covenant' God made with the Jewish people.

Of course, the children of Hagar from Mt. Sinai, seek to have Christians follow the old Torah law instead of Christ as they do not believe Christ is 'our righteousness, sanctification and redemption'. 1 Cor. 1:30

These false brethren despise the Cross and the grace of Christ.
---Lee1538 on 12/25/09


Well then youre not gonna like my answer, Paul, because the New Testament (covenant) is what I go by.

Preach away
---JackB on 12/24/09


JackB:

I asked u:
Are U in the New Covenant?

U answered:
Define what you think it is first(New Covenant), then Ill answer.///

Ah Jack, there is only one New Covenant, made with only those that the Father said!

Jeremiah 31:31-32

31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand

NT cannot contradict that which the Father said the New Covenant is!

Is there another New Covenant not of the Scriptures we consider?

So are u in the New Covenant?
---Paul9594 on 12/24/09


For that reason only , Paul, should we love God and seek to follow His commandments whenever we can.

He has given us something we can never earn. And what do you do when God gives you something you could never pay for?

Tell Him you won't accept it until you've come up with something to pay for it yourself?

Take the gift from Him and then CLAIM you paid for it?

Or humbly accept His gift and spend your days tryin to repay Him for the kindness He has shown you?
---JackB on 12/23/09


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Romans 3:31 (Barnes notes)

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

i.e. Do we render it vain and useless, do we destroy its moral obligation, and do we prevent obedience to it, by the doctrine of justification by faith?

This was an objection which would naturally be made, and which has thousands of times been since made, that the doctrine of justification by faith tends to licentiousness.

The word law here, I understand as referring to the moral law, and not merely to the Old Testament. This is evident from #Ro 3:20,21, where the apostle shows that no man could be justified by deeds of law, by conformity with the moral law.
---Lee1538 on 12/23/09


Gal 3:21-22

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

The law is good, it could have brought righteousness but it didnt. It brought a curse upon us because we are fallen.

Jesus Christ removed the curse from us, and we are righteous because of HIM. (Gal 3:13,14)

Because He lives in us, we bear the fruit of HIS labor. We have HIS reward and not our own.
---JackB on 12/22/09


Idk Paul I guess that depends on what your definition of the New Convenant is. Obviously we differ as to what we think the new convenant is.

Define what you think it is first, then Ill answer.
---JackB on 12/22/09


JackB:

Are you in the New Covenant?
---Paul9594 on 12/22/09


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Paul9594 //MANY MANY, not few Christians will be surprised, because they did not follow the FULL FULL EXAMPLE OF ABRAHAM, GENESIS 26:5!!!

In regard to Matthew 7:21-23 see my reply on 12/20, the Fathers will is to believe in Jesus whom He has sent & love your neighbor. 1 John.

//Did Father refuse ABRAHAM THE PROMISE because he kept FATHER'S LAWS? No!!

Christians are counted righteous because of FAITH in Christ, according to the Promise given to Abraham, not laws given some 430 years later.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but if you were to read Galatians those that believe Jesus is not sufficient for our salvation that we need observe Mosaic law are true children of HAGAR from Mt. Sinai.
---Lee1538 on 12/22/09


Perfect verse, Lee.

High five
---JackB on 12/22/09


Lee1538:
u said:

If Christ said to me, I NEVER knew you, depart from .//

Lee,Matthew 7:21-23,

21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but who doeth the WILL WILL WILL of my :Father22 Many will say to me in that :day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in thy :name, and in thy :name cast out demons, and in thy :name do MANY MIGHTY WORKS? 23 ..I profess to them I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work: LAWLESSNESS.

MANY MANY, not few Christians will be surprised, because they did not follow the FULL FULL EXAMPLE OF ABRAHAM, GENESIS 26:5!!!
Did Father refuse ABRAHAM THE PROMISE because he kept FATHER'S LAWS? No!!
---Paul9594 on 12/21/09


Paul9594 -

Galatians 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.

Either you believe what scripture states or you will continue to be in error in your belief that Abraham obeyed the law that was given some 430 years later.

And you really need to find out what the covenants are in the Bible. While the covenant given to Abrahams was not annulled by the Mosaic Covenant, the Mosaic covenant was one that became obsolete or outdated. This means that it is no longer applicable to believers as believers are under the ministry of the Spirit, not that ministry of death & condemnation written one stone. (2 Cor. 3:7)
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09


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//Women teaching the apostasy of our day do not qualify unless you REPENT, AND wait for God to establish you men/women.

Just so much foolishness!

Why don't you just give up and take a couple of months break as most of what you are posting is way off the rail. Pick up a good book on doctrine written by someone that knows both the Bible and its Author.

Any good book on cults will tell us that their followers appear to be very confused and often contradictory in their beliefs.

And that is one reason you refuse to reveal what your denominations is called as we would immediately recognize what it is, namely another legalistic sect contrary to the gospel.
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09


Lee1538:


What Scriptural authority do I Have that Laws of Genesis 26:5 are more than morals that Abraham kept, and of The Torah?

I saved the best for last!!

Genesis 26:5 has the proof:

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my my my my my LAWS.

My laws in Hebrew is of the root word Torah!!!

Strong's #8451
vetovrotai.
and MY LAWS
VERIFY IT YOURSELF!!

Did the Father think of Abraham under the curse of the LAW BECAUSE he kept His Torah of Mt. Sinai? No!!!

Did Father REFUSE the promise to Abraham because He kept His Laws/Torah?
No!!!

Do you walk with Abraham's faith of righteouness, in Christ?
---Paul9594 on 12/21/09


Children of the Father: 3/3
Men/Women are be grafted INTO the New Covenant WITH ISRAEL, of Jeremiah 31:31-32, If you dont belong to either of these houses you are not in the New Covenant, period!! Have u been grafted into one of these houses?

MEN ONLY, who desire apostleship of the 144,000 must be grafted into Israel, as others!! Our Father, will pick the 144,000 of men KEEPING the Head of the church with MEN. Women will not take over headship. God does not change, he wants order among other things. Gentiles will be included in the 1444,000, SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY LATER!!!

Men you dont have to have weird looking beards, headlocks this is incorrect interpretation of the Torah, Scripture later.
---Paul9594 on 12/21/09


//Women teaching the apostasy of our day do not qualify unless you REPENT, AND wait for God to establish you men/women.

Women pastors receive the same training as men and follow the same position description when they are hired.

the bottom line results is much the same - people are lead to Christ and the saints better equipted. Any good sermon teaches the Word of God, can you tell if it was written or preached by a woman? Doubtful.

And yes, we all can agree as far as the family is concerned, man should be the head. Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

And that JOE is where the order must come from.
---Lee1538 on 12/21/09


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Paul9594 //Because you're not in the New Covenant, change or u will hear, Matthew 7:21-23!!!

Mt.7:23...And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If Christ said to me,'I NEVER knew you, depart from me' He would be a liar as He has used me many times to lead people to faith.

One's salvation is not a matter of works of the law "for by works of the law no human being will be justified (declared righteous) in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin". Romans 3:20

If salvation were by works, then we certainly would not need Jesus as our Savior, since could we would be our own savior by simply observing the law.
---Lee1538 on 12/20/09


That sounds pretty good.
But the scripture refers to some sort of order in life ,as man was created first then woman from man, in Genesis. Woman was deceived then helped to deceive man. There is a Godly order to life no matter how mankind may like or not like it. Women seem to be better at tending to Children than men. Is that natural? If they are preaching how do they tend to the children? Or do you think men should bear the child also. In Genesis it seemed to happen the other way around. As it refers to. Maybe that part of the Bible isn't true.Go ahead and teach in our church, just be sure and get it right! Look out for "power trips" , gals!
---JOE on 12/20/09


Children of the Father: 1/3

Father is giving the unleavened bread to restore HIS CHIDLREN FROM apostasy AND to uphold Torah/Scriptures.

Disciples/Apostles,(some women) receiving the unleavened bread will go against the leading establishments of our day even as the apostles did in their time!! The leading establishments of our day teach traditions of the church/men that VOID the commandments of God!!

Is there anything new under the sun? Eccl. 1:9, 3:15!!

Women teaching the apostasy of our day do not qualify unless you REPENT, AND wait for God to establish you men/women.

Women/men need to be grafted into the New Covenant, which The Father made with ONLY ONLY ONLY Israel Jeremiah 31:31-32)
---Paul9594 on 12/20/09


Children of the Father: 2/3

The Torah's first five books of Moses, is THE cornerstone, THE foundation of the entire Torah which include the Prophets, and Writings. (John 10:35, Christ points to Psalms as Torah/law)

The Torah's five book is the foundation of principles, concepts, teachings/instructions that REPEAT AND REPEAT through out the rest of the Scriptures/Torah, even into apostolic epistles, which CANNOT contradict, the first, Torah/Scriptures!!

Christ will establish Men as Headship of the body of Christ in this end of ages time frame with the 144,000 of men first fruits!!!!

The Scriptural authority that allows some women to surround men in positions of leadership is. Jeremiah 31:22!!
---Paul9594 on 12/20/09


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Paul9594 //Matthew 19:16 ....what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? .... but if thou wouldest ENTER into LIFE, KEEP the commandments.

The Jew to whom Christ was addressing was under the Old Mosaic Covenant,not the New Covenant of the Church. If the man had asked if he must be physically circumcised, obey the Levitical food laws, do the temple thing, etc. etc. what would Christ have told him?

You ignore the fact that at the Cross, the Old Covenant became outdated and the new ministry of the Spirit was ushered in. Christians are to no longer adher to that 'ministry of death & condemnation written on stone' but walk by the Spirit. Read 2 Cor. 3:7f
---Lee1538 on 12/19/09


Paul9594 -1Co 14:34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.

Consider ----

"Since Paul seems to permit wives to pray & prophesy (11:5, 13) as long as they do not dishonor their husbands by the way they dress(11:5) it is difficult to see this as an absolute prohibition (cf. Acts 2:17, 21:8-9). Paul is likely forbidding women to speak up and judge prophecies (this is the activity in the immediate context,cf. 1Cor. 14:29)since such an activity would subvert male leadship."

ESV Study Bible.
---Lee1538 on 12/19/09


Paul9594 //HOW YOU SAY WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP of THE TEN COMMANMDENTS? Because you're not in the New Covenant, change or u will hear, Matthew 7:21-23!!!

Under the New Covenant we have the Spirit of Christ telling us -

Romans 13:9 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

That really is all that is expected of you since LOVE OF NEIGHBOR IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW (13:10).

Howbeit the 4th commandment has nothing to do with love of neighbor as it is strictly a ceremonial, not a moral law.
---Lee1538 on 12/19/09


Paul9594 Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

And what is the will of the Father except to believe on Jesus whom He has sent,and to love our neighbor as ourselves?

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered them, This is the work of God (the Father), that you believe in Him (Jesus) whom he has sent.

1 John 3:23 And this is His (the Father's) commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as He has commanded us.
---Lee1538 on 12/19/09


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Lee1538:

Yes, I consent to Christ's words AND READ THEM. U with lips you SAY you consent to christ's words. Yet don't read His words, saying to keep of the TEN COMMANDMENTS to ENTER LIFE!!!

Matthew 19:16 ....what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 .... but if thou wouldest ENTER into LIFE, KEEP the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honor thy father and mother, and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

HOW YOU SAY WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP of THE TEN COMMANMDENTS? Because you're not in the New Covenant, change or u will hear, Matthew 7:21-23!!!
---Paul9594 on 12/19/09


Lee1538:

Is Paul sexiest, of Satan because He taught 25 yrs INTO the church age, THE LAW?

33 For: God is not a God of confusion, but of peace), as in ALL the CHURCHES of the saints.
34 Let the women be silent in the churches: for it is not permitted to
them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also saith THE LAW, the law the law.

Is Christ sexiest, of Satan?

After all, Christ is the Head of all all all all of the CHURCHES of the SAINTS, SAINTS!!! Where ALL the women remained in subjection ACCORDING TO HIS HIS HIS HIS LAW!!
---Paul9594 on 12/19/09


Paul9594//Lee, do you consent to Christ's words/teachings to keep commandments?

Yes indeed, that should be obvious to you by this time.

The commandments mentioned in John & 1 John are not the Ten Commandments.

The commandments mentioned by John are merely 2 - 1) to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and 2) to love one another. see 1 John 3:22-24.

This makes sense if you were to interpret Scripture with Scripture. In fact Romans 13:9 simply states love of neighbor fulfills the law. Those that believe otherwise are the Hagarites from Mt. Sinai who believe that our righteousness is not in Christ, but in obedience to laws. see Gal.4.24f.

Now tell me do you consent to the words of Christ?
---Lee1538 on 12/18/09


Catherine//Oh yes, indeed. However, Satan hates women, because our Saviour was born from a woman.

And what can one expect of those whose father is Satan? Probably much the same thing.

We should strive to look at things both from a practical as well as a Biblical account.

Since women can be very effective in doing the Lord's work under the power of the Holy Spirit, we should stand aside and let God do what He wishes and not stand in the way with outdated and sexist beliefs.

Much like those who believed the earth was the center of the universe and were proven wrong, we should view scripture is the light of what we see instead of being stuck with a misinterpretation of scripture.
---Lee1538 on 12/18/09


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Lee1538:

Luk 1:6 And they were both RIGHTEOUS before God, walking in ALL the COMMANDMENTS and ordinances of the Lord BLAMELESS.

From Christ's lips:
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.

Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Lee, do you consent to Christ's words/teachings to keep commandments?
---Paul9594 on 12/18/09


//Certainly no Jezzebel Spirited women who think they are superior than men.

It is rather obvious this sexist ignoramus really does not want the Holy Spirit to work thru a woman even if it glorifies Christ.

In any case, those who love Jesus and want to further the Gospel to a lost world will ignore those who believe Jesus is the Law and go on serving the Lord.

Jesus is the Word and the Savior of all who believe. John 1:1f, 3:16, not the Law.

If he ever gets around to reading the New Testament,he will eventually read -

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.
---Lee1538 on 12/18/09


Oh yes, indeed. However, Satan hates women, because our Saviour was born from a woman.
---Catherine on 12/18/09


Mary:

Is a good thing your Husband was standing next to you, or else Father would have striked you with lighting!

Just kidding.

Only SOME of the women that follow Him out of the apostasy teachings will qualify to surround Holy men, per the Torah!!

These women stepping up have to count the cost they may get their heads shopped off, even as John the Baptist did. Or be martyred like some of the Apostles, some not all!!

Certainly no Jezzebel Spirited women who think they are superior than men.

They must be into the Spiritual intent of the Torah as the Apostles were!!
---Paul9594 on 12/17/09


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Some of you MEN may have trouble believing this, but God once used me to minister to a homeless man--and even (gasp!) lead us in prayer, while my then-husband stood there and listened to us. And it was from the Lord because I'm never normally like this--outspoken and brave in ministry. So you men that think God don't use women to help a man, think again!
---Mary on 12/17/09


Phl 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

Tts 2:3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things,
Tts 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Women are called to be teachers, prophetess and judges in the Bible. It seems that these things can be done in the church.
---Samuel on 12/17/09


Trav:

You said:

It is still somewhat free. GOD will allow you to disobey him until he won't.


This is a very good point!!


Father bless u.
---Paul9594 on 12/16/09


This woman teaches the adult Sunday School class. There have been no complaints and everyone is happy with it this way. My husband is a fantastic preacher, but he isn't called to be a teacher except to his wife.
---KarenD on 11/6/09

It is still somewhat free. GOD will allow you to disobey him until he won't.

They were happy in Sodom. Lots wife just had to test the authority and look back. I mean, they saved her once....why not twice?

It is popular to be modern and against those sexist, old fashioned apostles. It don't apply to these "modern" times.....righto.

If your Husband authorizes, preaches but, can't explain or teach what he's preaching?
Nice little job.
---Trav on 12/16/09


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Larry:
You said:
There is no prohibition against teaching, the prohibition is in authority over men as you would experience in pastoralship.//

Paul,THE APOSTLE, 25 yrs AFTER, Christ's resurrection, 25 YRS INTO THE CHURCH AGE, TEACHES:

1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.

34 Let your women KEEP SILENCE in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

How did women teach KEEPING silent in ALL CHURCHES OF SAINTS, 25 yrs. INTO the church age?
---Paul9594 on 12/15/09


There is no prohibition against teaching, the prohibition is in authority over men as you would experience in pastoralship.
---larry on 12/14/09


Ok, were after order according to The Torah, and not against women teaching!!

Good news for women like Rhonda!!

They will surround men in positions of authority even teaching but not be above the men leadership!!

Definitely women teaching the apostasy of today do not qualify, to encompass godly men.

The Apostleship of our day will be of 144,00 MEN! KEEPING THE HEAD BY MEN.

But what is the Scriptural authority from the Torah that will let women like Rhonda who is against the apostasy of our day, surround MEN in positions of Authority!!

Miche3754? KarenD? Rhonda? Anyone?
---Paul9594 on 12/14/09


Physical purification in Torah teaches Spiritual process with FAITH IN Christ, Numbers 19:

1. unclean person must decide to avail themselves for
water of purification.
2. Sprinkling (by person who was clean and authorized)
3. Wash their clothes and bathe THEMSELVES.

Spiritual work with FAITH Christ:

1. With faith decide avail ourselves for the purifying work of Christ. (method of purifying, ALREADY decided.)
2. Faith in blood of Christ to remove our sins.
3. With faith apply (bathe) ourselves by CONTINUING to work
out salvation as INSTRUCTED by Word. (e.g. washing
of the water with the Word, KEEPING COMMANDMENTS)

Match Torah instructions with faith in Christ, if not hear, Matthew 7:21-23!
---Paul9594 on 11/20/09


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INSTITUTIONS about God, teach:

Our Christ is all knowing, Christ all powerful, and Christ is PERFECT and we agree with them.

Yet in our hearts, we don't believe this.

So out of the abundance of our heart, we speak and contradict ourselves:

Our ALL PERFECT GOD:

Is SEXIST, wrong, to have put by example men to teach in church and not women. We know best, this is old fashioned. Lets fix His error.

The Torah of PERFECT CHRIST is faulty, of flesh.

Lets fix it because perfect Christ, He made a mistake.

This is why Christ came to fulfill the Torah: to be seen as pitiful and not spiritual.

The principle of how to love Him obedience Let do as Adam and Eve!
---Paul9594 on 11/18/09


Amand6348 you ask:

If you thought that you knew the answer to this question, why were you asking it to begin with?

I'm asking it to increase our understanding and the corrections that need to take place because 1Pe 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Jews back then they got judged first after the 40 yrs of their tribulation! Our tribulation/Judgment is around the corner and many Christian women, men dont' know this. WE need to shape up or else!
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09


Torah, your Father expected men to KEEP, even before Moses:

Genesis 4:7

The brothers exercising free will FOR keeping TORAH.

The almighty says to Cain: 7 "IF YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT, WILL YOU NOT BE ACCEPTED?" (NIV) the young men knew right, His Law], offerings ARE a part of Torah.

Cain could do right (Torah) long before Sinai! Or why would the Father without reason EXPECT Cain to do what is right? Cain murdered, against His Law, then cursed.

Is the conscience of men being marred by the precepts of men and the apostates?

Its the conscience of His Children to return to righteousness Torah, believing in the power of His Holy Spirit and His Blood to walk after it. Or hear Matthew/7:21
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09


For Christs children, your conscience given by Father is marred by precepts of apostates.

For your benefit grow into the Torah meaning, teaching/instructions, of your Father, some are in the form of COMMANDMENTS. With a faith marred by the precepts of the apostates, how much can one grow into the benefits of the Torah?

You have the desire of the Spirit, righteous, but have not the full understanding of righteousness because of the precepts of men.

Would you Teach?

Do we then make Law of NONE EFFECT through faith? NO we establish the Law. (Romans/3:31)

Then teach the opposite?

Well neither would Paul! Forget the interpretations/translations contradicting Paul, of the apostates!
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09


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After His resurrection a different Gospel/Law for the Gentiles?

Acts1
1 first treatise (LUKE) I made, Theophilus, CONCERNING ALL that Jesus began both to DO and TEACH, 2 UNTIL THE DAY in which He was received up, after COMMANDING through the Holy Spirit

Matthew19 Go therefore, and disciple all the nations.20 teaching them to keep ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I COMMANDED YOU:

His commands are only in the Gospels.

Christ teachings uphold the Law/Prophets Matthew 5:17-20

Where in the Gospels did Christ teach/command the apostles a different doctrine/gospel to be received by Gentiles who would be grafted into the root?

Do apostates consent to Christ and His Disciples TEACHING or His Children?
---Paul9594 on 11/9/09


(1 Jn.2:24) As for you, let that abide in you which ye heard from the beginning. If that which ye heard from the beginning abide in you, ye also shall abide in the Son, and in the Father. {26} These things have I written unto you concerning them that would lead you astray. Our doctrine must be that which we heard from the beginning, which was written in the Scriptures

This EPISTLE written BY the beloved APOSTLE was taught 45 to 65 yrs INTO THE CHURCH AGE!

Should we follow the teaching of the apostles or of the apostates?
---Paul9594 on 11/9/09


We are all called to be Ministers of Christ and that means any where the Spirit wills. It is pretty straight forward, and simple logic.
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logic is from human reasoning which is always VOID of God

even Christ was subject to OBEY The Father - Christ did not lead while physical human

Disciples were NOT women

Apostles were NOT women

NT was NOT written by women

True Christians understand Gods Word as it is written and follow examples and instructions given by MEN whom were given authority by Christ

leadership positions have never been given to women ...women can TEACH other women but never the flock
---Rhonda on 11/8/09


While the promises of Abraham are given equally among men and women, it is the teaching of the Word of God which rests solely upon the shoulders of man. Did Eve teach Adam all he knew?

This doesn't mean that God will use a woman for a certain task, but the teachings are taught by man. If this were not so, why didn't Jesus choose six men and six women to become apostles so that we learn by Christ's example?
---Steveng on 11/8/09


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If you thought that you knew the answer to this question, why were you asking it to begin with?
---amand6348 on 11/8/09


(Isa.3:12) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

1 Cor.14:33) As in all the churches of the saints, {34} let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

Paul teaching 45 to 65 yrs. INTO the CHUCH age, so called.

This is to keep the battle of the sexes from within the leadership of the church, for sake of peace, respect and order of things. This does not mean women are inferior, or less valuable than men as human beings.
---Paul9594 on 11/8/09


It says in the word, that in Christ there is neither male or female, and if Christ is the 'head' of the body which is the church, it is therefore Christ who speaks, since that is what the head does, think and speak. So since both males and females are a part of this corporate body,the church, then all are called to do and say what the Head says.We are all called to be Ministers of Christ and that means any where the Spirit wills. It is pretty straight forward, and simple logic.If God is going to use the human body as a metaphor then we must understand it in the same way.
---Patricia on 11/8/09


It says in the word, that in Christ there is neither male or female, and if Christ is the 'head' of the body which is the church, it is therefore Christ who speaks, since that is what the head does, think and speak. So since both males and females are a part of this corporate body,the church, then all are called to do and say what the Head says.We are all called to be Ministers of Christ and that means any where the Spirit wills. It is pretty straight forward, and simple logic.If God is going to use the human body as a metaphor then we must understand it in the same way.
---Patricia on 11/8/09


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wives teach their children daily,for years women were predominant in the public school system,and in proroquial ,nuns.so what in the world is wrong with them teaching in church?
---tom2 on 11/7/09


Paul: Do you mean as a pastor/elder/bishop in a corporate worship setting (Church) OR as a born again believer ministering the love of God to persons (friends, family, on the job, etc.) the Lord places in your life space at any given moment, whether it be in or outside of the church-house? :)
---Leon on 11/7/09


This woman teaches the adult Sunday School class. There have been no complaints and everyone is happy with it this way. My husband is a fantastic preacher, but he isn't called to be a teacher except to his wife.
---KarenD on 11/6/09


Dear Leon:

I mean church of the body of Christ.


Dear Obewan:

DEFINE, teach? A teacher THAT teaches with authority over his audience and is ordained by THE FATHER not by the instituitions of men. None of the Apostles were ordained by leading establishment of God's people of their day!
---Paul9594 on 11/6/09


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What do you mean by "teach"?

You have to ask a more specific question.

The Bible tells us that the older women should teach the younger women, and the same goes with men.

Women can also teach children in Sunday school.

Teaching is not the same thing as pastoring. Women can even be pastors in the sense of heading up a womens ministry or hospital visitation etc...etc...
---obewan on 11/6/09


Paul: Please clarify. How do you define "church"? Thanks.
---Leon on 11/6/09


Well, it does say, "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression." (1 Timothy 2:11-14) If a woman was asked to act silent and submissive in a drama, she might gladly do this for the praise and recognition of her acting ability. But if our Groom Jesus were to ask you to be silent and submissive, in order to do a drama of how Eve was deceived, first, as a message and reminder to people of their fall . . . would you have the self-control, could you handle the persecution for this?
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/09


Here is a little something about women.

The greatest battle ever fought,
shall I tell you where or when?
On the pages of history you'll find it not, for it was fought by the mothers of men!!!

I wish to publicly thank the Lord Jesus Christ for making me a child of my mother!!
---mima on 11/6/09


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Yes, The LORD has lifted up women to taech in the Church. I'm suspecting that one thing the Bible meant when it states that women are not to speak in Church, is that, they are to keep quiet and not talk amongst themselves while the Worship Service is in progress. Men like to talk, also, but, usually it's the women who do more so. Just a thought.
---Gordon on 11/6/09


While St. Paul said that women were not to speak in church or hold authority over men, he also said that the older women were to teach the younger women.
---Cluny on 11/6/09


Yes. People might be getting the context wrong when it comes to what Paul said.
---amand6348 on 11/6/09


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