Physical purification in Torah teaches Spiritual process with FAITH IN Christ, Numbers 19:
1. unclean person must decide to avail themselves for
water of purification.
2. Sprinkling (by person who was clean and authorized)
3. Wash their clothes and bathe THEMSELVES.
Spiritual work with FAITH Christ:
1. With faith decide avail ourselves for the purifying work of Christ. (method of purifying, ALREADY decided.)
2. Faith in blood of Christ to remove our sins.
3. With faith apply (bathe) ourselves by CONTINUING to work
out salvation as INSTRUCTED by Word. (e.g. washing
of the water with the Word, KEEPING COMMANDMENTS)
Match Torah instructions with faith in Christ, if not hear, Matthew 7:21-23! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/20/09 |
INSTITUTIONS about God, teach:
Our Christ is all knowing, Christ all powerful, and Christ is PERFECT and we agree with them.
Yet in our hearts, we don't believe this.
So out of the abundance of our heart, we speak and contradict ourselves:
Our ALL PERFECT GOD:
Is SEXIST, wrong, to have put by example men to teach in church and not women. We know best, this is old fashioned. Lets fix His error.
The Torah of PERFECT CHRIST is faulty, of flesh.
Lets fix it because perfect Christ, He made a mistake.
This is why Christ came to fulfill the Torah: to be seen as pitiful and not spiritual.
The principle of how to love Him obedience Let do as Adam and Eve! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/18/09 |
Amand6348 you ask:
If you thought that you knew the answer to this question, why were you asking it to begin with?
I'm asking it to increase our understanding and the corrections that need to take place because 1Pe 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Jews back then they got judged first after the 40 yrs of their tribulation! Our tribulation/Judgment is around the corner and many Christian women, men dont' know this. WE need to shape up or else! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/10/09 |
Torah, your Father expected men to KEEP, even before Moses:
Genesis 4:7
The brothers exercising free will FOR keeping TORAH.
The almighty says to Cain: 7 "IF YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT, WILL YOU NOT BE ACCEPTED?" (NIV) the young men knew right, His Law], offerings ARE a part of Torah.
Cain could do right (Torah) long before Sinai! Or why would the Father without reason EXPECT Cain to do what is right? Cain murdered, against His Law, then cursed.
Is the conscience of men being marred by the precepts of men and the apostates?
Its the conscience of His Children to return to righteousness Torah, believing in the power of His Holy Spirit and His Blood to walk after it. Or hear Matthew/7:21 |
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---Paul9594 on 11/10/09 |
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For Christs children, your conscience given by Father is marred by precepts of apostates.
For your benefit grow into the Torah meaning, teaching/instructions, of your Father, some are in the form of COMMANDMENTS. With a faith marred by the precepts of the apostates, how much can one grow into the benefits of the Torah?
You have the desire of the Spirit, righteous, but have not the full understanding of righteousness because of the precepts of men.
Would you Teach?
Do we then make Law of NONE EFFECT through faith? NO we establish the Law. (Romans/3:31)
Then teach the opposite?
Well neither would Paul! Forget the interpretations/translations contradicting Paul, of the apostates! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/10/09 |
After His resurrection a different Gospel/Law for the Gentiles?
Acts1
1 first treatise (LUKE) I made, Theophilus, CONCERNING ALL that Jesus began both to DO and TEACH, 2 UNTIL THE DAY in which He was received up, after COMMANDING through the Holy Spirit
Matthew19 Go therefore, and disciple all the nations.20 teaching them to keep ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I COMMANDED YOU:
His commands are only in the Gospels.
Christ teachings uphold the Law/Prophets Matthew 5:17-20
Where in the Gospels did Christ teach/command the apostles a different doctrine/gospel to be received by Gentiles who would be grafted into the root?
Do apostates consent to Christ and His Disciples TEACHING or His Children? |
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---Paul9594 on 11/9/09 |
(1 Jn.2:24) As for you, let that abide in you which ye heard from the beginning. If that which ye heard from the beginning abide in you, ye also shall abide in the Son, and in the Father. {26} These things have I written unto you concerning them that would lead you astray. Our doctrine must be that which we heard from the beginning, which was written in the Scriptures
This EPISTLE written BY the beloved APOSTLE was taught 45 to 65 yrs INTO THE CHURCH AGE!
Should we follow the teaching of the apostles or of the apostates? |
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---Paul9594 on 11/9/09 |
We are all called to be Ministers of Christ and that means any where the Spirit wills. It is pretty straight forward, and simple logic.
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logic is from human reasoning which is always VOID of God
even Christ was subject to OBEY The Father - Christ did not lead while physical human
Disciples were NOT women
Apostles were NOT women
NT was NOT written by women
True Christians understand Gods Word as it is written and follow examples and instructions given by MEN whom were given authority by Christ
leadership positions have never been given to women ...women can TEACH other women but never the flock |
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---Rhonda on 11/8/09 |
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While the promises of Abraham are given equally among men and women, it is the teaching of the Word of God which rests solely upon the shoulders of man. Did Eve teach Adam all he knew?
This doesn't mean that God will use a woman for a certain task, but the teachings are taught by man. If this were not so, why didn't Jesus choose six men and six women to become apostles so that we learn by Christ's example? |
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---Steveng on 11/8/09 |
If you thought that you knew the answer to this question, why were you asking it to begin with? |
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---amand6348 on 11/8/09 |
(Isa.3:12) As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
1 Cor.14:33) As in all the churches of the saints, {34} let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
Paul teaching 45 to 65 yrs. INTO the CHUCH age, so called.
This is to keep the battle of the sexes from within the leadership of the church, for sake of peace, respect and order of things. This does not mean women are inferior, or less valuable than men as human beings. |
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---Paul9594 on 11/8/09 |
It says in the word, that in Christ there is neither male or female, and if Christ is the 'head' of the body which is the church, it is therefore Christ who speaks, since that is what the head does, think and speak. So since both males and females are a part of this corporate body,the church, then all are called to do and say what the Head says.We are all called to be Ministers of Christ and that means any where the Spirit wills. It is pretty straight forward, and simple logic.If God is going to use the human body as a metaphor then we must understand it in the same way. |
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---Patricia on 11/8/09 |
It says in the word, that in Christ there is neither male or female, and if Christ is the 'head' of the body which is the church, it is therefore Christ who speaks, since that is what the head does, think and speak. So since both males and females are a part of this corporate body,the church, then all are called to do and say what the Head says.We are all called to be Ministers of Christ and that means any where the Spirit wills. It is pretty straight forward, and simple logic.If God is going to use the human body as a metaphor then we must understand it in the same way. |
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---Patricia on 11/8/09 |
wives teach their children daily,for years women were predominant in the public school system,and in proroquial ,nuns.so what in the world is wrong with them teaching in church? |
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---tom2 on 11/7/09 |
Paul: Do you mean as a pastor/elder/bishop in a corporate worship setting (Church) OR as a born again believer ministering the love of God to persons (friends, family, on the job, etc.) the Lord places in your life space at any given moment, whether it be in or outside of the church-house? :) |
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---Leon on 11/7/09 |
This woman teaches the adult Sunday School class. There have been no complaints and everyone is happy with it this way. My husband is a fantastic preacher, but he isn't called to be a teacher except to his wife. |
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---KarenD on 11/6/09 |
Dear Leon:
I mean church of the body of Christ.
Dear Obewan:
DEFINE, teach? A teacher THAT teaches with authority over his audience and is ordained by THE FATHER not by the instituitions of men. None of the Apostles were ordained by leading establishment of God's people of their day! |
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---Paul9594 on 11/6/09 |
What do you mean by "teach"?
You have to ask a more specific question.
The Bible tells us that the older women should teach the younger women, and the same goes with men.
Women can also teach children in Sunday school.
Teaching is not the same thing as pastoring. Women can even be pastors in the sense of heading up a womens ministry or hospital visitation etc...etc... |
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---obewan on 11/6/09 |
Paul: Please clarify. How do you define "church"? Thanks. |
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---Leon on 11/6/09 |
Well, it does say, "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression." (1 Timothy 2:11-14) If a woman was asked to act silent and submissive in a drama, she might gladly do this for the praise and recognition of her acting ability. But if our Groom Jesus were to ask you to be silent and submissive, in order to do a drama of how Eve was deceived, first, as a message and reminder to people of their fall . . . would you have the self-control, could you handle the persecution for this? |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/09 |
Here is a little something about women.
The greatest battle ever fought,
shall I tell you where or when?
On the pages of history you'll find it not, for it was fought by the mothers of men!!!
I wish to publicly thank the Lord Jesus Christ for making me a child of my mother!! |
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---mima on 11/6/09 |
Yes, The LORD has lifted up women to taech in the Church. I'm suspecting that one thing the Bible meant when it states that women are not to speak in Church, is that, they are to keep quiet and not talk amongst themselves while the Worship Service is in progress. Men like to talk, also, but, usually it's the women who do more so. Just a thought. |
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---Gordon on 11/6/09 |
While St. Paul said that women were not to speak in church or hold authority over men, he also said that the older women were to teach the younger women. |
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---Cluny on 11/6/09 |
Yes. People might be getting the context wrong when it comes to what Paul said. |
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---amand6348 on 11/6/09 |
Paul9594, can God use a woman? Has HE used a woman before for anything? If the answer is YES, then i will say let God decide & use whom HE will. If there are impostors(men or women), who are ministering in any section of Jesus' ministry where HE has not sent them, the Lord will correct them, if they refuse HIS correction HE will deal with them in HIS own way. Do not forbid any woman that God has given the unction to function. |
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---Adetunji on 11/6/09 |
In the beginning God made them male and female, so in Christ God Jesus there is also male and there is female. Let a woman walk into a man's bathroom or yet a man go into a woman's bathroom and you will see that indeed God made them male and he made them female, each one different from the other. But in the giving of grace and in the giving of salvation there is neither male nor female because God's love is not prejudice and he sheds his grace upon all whom will ask of him. |
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---Eloy on 11/6/09 |
In Christ, there is...
Galatians 3:28
"neither male nor female"
If a person is spiritually INside the body of Christ (inside the new worship temple, John 2:19) as a spirit creation (new creation), then....
Acts 17:28
"in Him, we live and move and have our being".
...but if you regard the bible as an authority (even though it did not die on the cross), you won't actually be inside Jesus's body...
Matthew 28:18
"ALL authority in heaven and earth has been given to me".
Who says that the bible is the final authority?...MAN says it, God says otherwise (you choose). |
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---more_excellent_way on 11/5/09 |
No
coz of eve |
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---dsda on 11/5/09 |
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