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Why do we have so many denominations and so many doctrines from one Law?

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//Genesis 26:5.. This has NOTHING to do with the Ten Commandments OR the Sabbath.

Very true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

There is not a single Bible commentator that holds the view that Abraham obeyed the law that was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai.

Those that hold otherwise really follow another gospel contrary to that which the church has taught.
---Lee1538 on 11/17/09

They had different denominations back in the first century A.D. also. There were the Pharisees, and the Saducees, and the Nazarenes. Please Read- Acts 15:5+ 23:6+ 24:6+ 26:5 28:22.
---Eloy on 11/18/09

//Trav:Do you condemn me and the Children of God for wanting to be like: OUR Father of faith, that also OBEYED HIS VOICE, kept the Law, Abraham.

No one condemns you for what you want to believe. However, there are some that are enlightened and believe that we need not become Jewish to follow Christ. We live by the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.

If your custom designed religion suits you, then have at it, however, you need to respect those that wish to live by faith under the New Covenant, and not the Old.
---Lee1538 on 11/17/09

Genesis 26:5..Paul9594

This has NOTHING to do with the Ten Commandments OR the sabbath.

Abraham obeyed the commandments, statutes, and laws that God gave to him. Abraham obeyed Gods command to leave his homeland (Genesis 12:1, 4), to change his name (Genesis 17:5), to accept circumcision (Genesis 17:10, 23-24), to change his wifes name (Genesis 17:15), to offer up his son as a sacrifice to God (Genesis 22:1-2, 10), etc.

Moses himself told the Israelites that no one had ever been given the law which would include the Sabbath before God gave it to them. The Lord, our God, made a covenant with us at Horeb, not with our fathers did he make this covenant, but with us, all of us who are alive here this day (Deuteronomy 5:2-3).
---Gary on 11/17/09

Paul ... Is you Children of God Church the one that used to practice Flirty Fishing, and had very relaxed ideas about how adults should to children?
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/17/09


Do you condemn me and the Children of God for wanting to be like:
For which can you indeed stone me?
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09

Ohh, you feel deeper scripture persecuting you. Not me. I leave that to a higher authority.
I merely point that you are getting full use of scripture and you get your feelings hurt. I won't play no more if you can't deal with it.
You think that I didn't have things pointed to me. You think there was not a reason? I had choices. Defend the undefendable. Or Prove out topic/subject by finding scriptural witness for or against. If a prophet/GOD is with you/me....who can be against? Not I.
Proverbs 24:3
Through wisdom is an house builded, and by understanding established:
---Trav on 11/17/09


Do you condemn me and the Children of God for wanting to be like:

OUR Father of faith, that also OBEYED HIS VOICE, kept the Law, Abraham.

Genesis 26:5 because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and KEPT my CHARGE, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUE, and my LAWS.

Do YOU realize that the Law OF OUR FATHER was before Moses?

Or do you reject me for wanting to BE like David? Read His story, His psalms showing respect and reverence for the Law.

Dont His children desire to be Christ like? He is the mindset and manners of walking in the Spirit of Torah

Do you hate me for wanting to grow and be Christ like? The Living Torah.

For which can you indeed stone me?
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09

Gary - While I would agree with you that many churches can be downright exhausting with some of the things they teach and preach and practice, I would say that none of us are perfect and we still need to join together with other believers. I'm a member of a solid, KJV-only Baptist Church, and while I agree with the vast majority of what goes on there, I don't agree with everything that is taught or practiced. But it's all good, 'cause I still need the support and fellowship of other believers (Heb 10:25). Also, I appreciate some of the comments you put on here. Some people cannot rightly divide the Word no matter how much doctrine you try to teach them, but keep up the good work anyway.
---John on 11/17/09

Trav 1/2
when a STRANGER shall sojourn with ..
Stranger here IS A TYPE, pointing to Gentiles strangers not knowing Father, becoming as ONE THAT IS BORN IN the land of Israel!
---Paul9594 on 11/16/09

Your words. Stranger here IS A TYPE, pointing to : 7 different kinds of strangers.

Now one would wonder why there would be so many if they are not any differences to be made. Foreigner who is stranger.
Strange as strange woman, Heathen, dweller but not resident. And yours in Exo is a "kinsman" stranger.
Paul, more dangerous to not accept that GOD can do what he wants to....rather than try to change what is. Is jealousy the problem? All I'm doing is pointing.
---Trav on 11/17/09

Trav, you miss the forest for the trees.
You are too busy looking at one or two verses instead of the entire plan of God.

Paul is certainly correct here.
May do you some good to listen.

Another thing you may want to do is get rid of that racist evil spirit that you have on your back making you say ungoldy things. It is that spirit that is lying to you, making you believe that God can't save everyone because "they aren't lost sheep of Israel".
Sheep are identified by Christ in them not by race or color of skin. Sheep only listen to the Father in Heaven and know HIS truth. Goats will listen and pick up any kind of mess the enemy throws out and will believe it as truth.
Still praying for you!
---miche3754 on 11/17/09

Paul, I believe that you pick a verse and use it to favor your point of view without really explaining why something is said in any given context. I looked at Matthew 19:16-22, and your definition of what is happening is wrong. When Jesus answered the rich young ruler, before showing him the way to life, Jesus wanted to impress on the young man both the hight standard required by God (the law) and the absolute futility or seeking salvation by his own merit. This should have elicited a response about the possibility of keeping the law perfectly (like the disciples response in v, 25), but instead the youn man confidently declared that he qualified for heaven under those terms.
---MarkV. on 11/17/09

The Torah is the foundational revelation about the nature of the Holy One and His redemptive dealings with mankind. Therefore, we should expect the Torah to address every essential doctrine (II Tim 3:16). There is not one subject pertaining to our faith that doesn't have its foundation in the Torah. There is one catch, though. Since the Holy One chose to reveal His plan progressively, the Torah does not present each doctrine in clear, concise, and complete detail. The Torah uses types, shadows and pictures to teach many of its most important lessons.

Furthermore, the details of these doctrines are presented piecemeal, in a seemingly random orderhere a little, there a little (Isaiah 28:9-10)
---Paul9594 on 11/16/09

Trav 1/2
when a STRANGER shall sojourn with thee, and will KEEP the Passover let all his males be circumcised let him come near and keep it, and he shall be AS ONE that is BORN IN the land: NO UNCIRCUMCISED person shall eat thereof.

Many things Torah are a TYPE of a cycle/pointing to future being told ahead proving God in control and being all knowing from the beginning TO END!

Stranger here IS A TYPE, pointing to Gentiles strangers not knowing Father, becoming as ONE THAT IS BORN IN the land of Israel! To become one flock with them!

---Paul9594 on 11/16/09

Trav: 1/2

I didnt mean He never said house of Israel or Israel meaning of His first fold, at times He means Israel, true.

But even back then, Israel included those that were true converts yet not physically Israelites/Jews, but had a true faith in Him while doing of the Torah!

What did non-Israelites back then do,TO be in the favor of God as Israelites were, ACCORDING TO TORAH?
This why Its important to study Torah relevance Exo/12:48,
Therere two pillars of understanding needed to spiritually discern Scripture fully. The Torah and the prophecy, within it! Just about everything is a TYPE of a cycle/TYPE OF future events through time proving God in control and being all knowing from the beginning TO END!
---Paul9594 on 11/16/09

John 10:16 And OTHER sheep I have, which are not of this fold: ..
---Paul9594 on 11/16/09

You remind me of another here. Should we trash can hundreds/thousands of witnessing verses if your correct? Just makes me hesitate based upon the proof you've provided. Lets look awhile.
Ezekiel 34:11
For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out
Micah 2:12
I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah
Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 11/16/09

Christ teaches, He is door into ONE sheep FOLD. He extends salvation to His other flock the Gentiles, He brings us into the current fold of His time to become ONE SHEEP FOLD with them, not two. ULTIMAELY there is no Jewish and then a Chritianity flocks! Were all ultimate Israel! This why, christ always said I came for the house of Israel, knowing of this Joining!

He said, we become ONE shepherd, in the sense that WE teach the same as the current fold He is joining us to!

Y0U have been joined to the current flock of His time.

Read John 10:1-16

John 10:16 And OTHER sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they SHALL BECOME ONE FLOCK, ONE SHEPHERD.
---Paul9594 on 11/16/09

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paul9594 - You take a covenant between God and Israel and apply it to yourself. You weren't a part of the covenant.....
---Gary on 11/13/09

I'm curious. How did you determine this? Do you know he is not of the House of Israel (lost sheep) or Judah?

Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 11/16/09

//Our bodies lust after Sin but the working of the Holy Spirit that we received by our faith to obey the Gospel frees us from sin. The next chapter clarifies what he meant.

exzucuh - I believe you will find without any exceptions that those who have received Christ into their lives and have been born again by His Spirit, find that they are but babes in Christ and have to learn to walk much like any infant. As such they make mistakes as they grow in the faith.

Your view on the other hand seems to hold that all one needs to do is add water and stir and aha, you have a perfect and mature Christian.

Sorry to inform you that such is not the testimony of genuine Christians.
---Lee1538 on 11/14/09

Paul, your doctrine seems fine but your approach will cause people to doubt their salvation if they are weak in the faith. We are supposed to be encouraging one another.

Romans 14:1-4
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
---JackB on 11/14/09

//paul9594 - You take a covenant between God and Israel and apply it to yourself. You weren't a part of the covenant.

And he fails to realize that the covenant he believes himself to be under obligation to has been declared to be obsolete.

Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Perhaps he should also offer a bull, pigeon, goat, or sheep on a altar for the forgiveness of his sins (if he has any). And observe the various Jewish feasts as well as the various Sabbaths.

What he has done is to design his own custom made religion and is pitching it to other Christians.
---Lee1538 on 11/14/09

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paul9594 - There are over 600 laws and commandments. WHY do you choose to follow the ten commandments but not all the rest?

And if you really think you follow all of God's commands, WHY do you take your tithe to the church when Numbers 18 says you are to take the tithe to the Levities, and that ordinance, or command, is for ever.

You just don't get it. Jesus was teaching those who were UNDER THE LAW. The New Covenant, or New Testament, doesn't begin until Jesus died on the cross.
---Gary on 11/14/09

1 Timothy 6:3>>> Teach otherwise, to teach heresy. As I study this Jesus was explaining that for some, who teaches that godliness will bring about great gains. Mainly, worldly goods. This is their main message, if you will. And it is the wrong message. This is what Jesus was referring to, in these scriptures....Also, Jesus is warning us to STAY AWAY FROM STRIFE. Very ungodly. And Jesus is saying remaining godly is most important....Godliness, is the main subject here...Be contented with what you have. Praise the living God.
---catherine on 11/14/09

1Timothy 6:3 If ANY MAN teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, toTHE doctrine which is according to godliness,
4 He is proud, knowing nothing

DoYOU consent TO teachings from Christ's lips?

Matthew19:16 what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17.none good but one, God: but if thou will ENTER into life, KEEP the commandments

John 15:10 IF YOU KEEP my COMMANDMENTS, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 14:15 IF YOU loveME, keep my commandments.

Are you goint to CONTRADICT Christ's teachings? can you explain yourself?

Or is it that are you're proud, knowing nothing?
---paul9594 on 11/13/09

paul9594 - You take a covenant between God and Israel and apply it to yourself. You weren't a part of the covenant.

My material shows that Matthew 26:28 DOES include the word NEW before the word testament, and the Greek number is G2537.

What about Numbers 18? That established the priesthood of Aaron and the Levitical priests. No where does the law allow for a high priest from the tribe of Judah. Therefore, unless you cancel Numbers 18, which is done in Hebrews 7:18, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

We must cancel the Old Testament in order for the New Testament to be valid.
---Gary on 11/13/09

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IF you actually accept the ENTIRE Bible as God's Word, how did you miss these?

Exodus 24:8, Ezekiel 44:7

Zec 9:11 As for thee also, because of the blood of thy covenant I have set free thy prisoners

Hebr 13:20 Now the God of peace, who brought again from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an eternal covenant, [even] our Lord Jesus,

Mar 14:24 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Hebr 9:18 Wherefore even the first [covenant] hath not been dedicated without blood.

Hebr 9:20 This is the blood of the covenant which God COMMANDED to you-ward.
The covenant is connected to His blood, not testament?
---paul9594 on 11/13/09

Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is POURED out for many (


In Greek the transcript, you find NO corresponding numerical value for new in entire VERSE! IN this verse apostates add new!

Covenant/ Greek G1242 word is translated correctly, in other verses, for instance, Luke 1:72 when BLEEDING do you shed/pour blood or testament?

Did Christ PROPHESY TO shed testament or His blood?

Blood symbolic of His shed blood of the covenant Moses sprinled on the people,did not sprinkle testament on them Exodus 24:8

Should we keep the understanding of Moses symbolic events or bad translations of apostates?
Wont say more unless you know of Hebrew/Greek numerics.
---paul9594 on 11/13/09

A very good question: During the first thousand years of the church there was for the most part outward unity. The first major division in the church came in A.D. 1054 when the Eastern [now Orthodox] church separated from the Western [Roman Catholic] church. Reasons for separation can be comsidered in three categories: [1] doctrinal reasons, [2] reasons of conscience, [3] practical considerations....Note: Some Catholics are saved, so be careful when or at whom you throw stones. Ahhhhhhh.
---catherine on 11/13/09

Romans 7:23 The point of what Paul was trying to make us understand, was not giving us an excuse to continue in sin just because we have the lust of our flesh to sin,
But he wanted us to know,Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Paul speaking of the Law of liberty that frees us from sin by the power and Grace of the Holy Spirit. It is the faith by works that James was talking about. Our bodies lust after Sin but the working of the Holy Spirit that we received by our faith to obey the Gospel frees us from sin. The next chapter clarifies what he meant.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
---exzucuh on 11/13/09

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Eloy -//And No, I have not sinned ever since my conversion from Christ, instead I am a well-doer and do his works for his life lives in me.

In a sense, you are correct as with St Paul, your disobedience to the law is no longer viewed as your sin, but simply as something that dwells within you.

Romans 7:15f I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

It all too easy to see everyone sins.
---Lee1538 on 11/13/09

If you google for Lawrence's "One God Jesus Christ Name Apostolic Pentecost Church" ... you will reach an absolutely AMAZING web-site.

It's well worth looking at.

It will be interesting to see any positive feed-back
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/13/09

//Through Christs life, EVEN during His 31/2yrs or so, of public ministry, Christ never points to New TESTAMENT, didnt exist, WITHIN this time frame:

It is apparent you do not believe the New Testament was penned by the Holy Spirit.

While Jesus was a Jew under the OT law, Christians are not under that law but a much higher law - the law of Christ. Gal. 6:2, 1 Cor. 9:21

Gal. 4:4-5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

So you are not even on the same page as those that view themselves as orthrodox Christians.
---Lee1538 on 11/12/09

Paul9594 - You obviously don't accept the whole Bible as God's Word.

In Matthew 26:28 Jesus points to the New Testament. Jesus himself said "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed" Since the blood of Jesus hadn't yet been shed, he was prophesying, or telling them what was to come.

If you accept the whole Bible as God's inspired Word, then it all makes sense. Once you pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe, the Bible becomes a book of contradictions. IF you don't accept the ENTIRE Bible as God's Word, then how can you accept any of it? How do you know Jesus said what is written in your Bible if you can't believe the whole Book?
---Gary on 11/12/09

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4 your insight:

Through Christs life, EVEN during His 31/2yrs or so, of public ministry, Christ never points to NewTESTAMENT, didnt exist,
WITHIN this time frame:

Luke 8:21 said, My mother and my brethren are these that hear the WORD of God, and DO it.

John 8:51 Verily, If a man keep MY WORD, he shall NEVER see death.

Matthew 19:17none good but one, God: but if thou will ENTER into life, keep the commandments

Mat 28:20 teaching them to OBSERVE all things whatsoever I have commanded you: .unto the end of the world.

Did He command apostles to contradict His teachings?

Should I keep the teachings of the ultimate Prophet Christ or of mere apostates?
---Paul9594 on 11/12/09


My salvation is justified only by FAITH in the Power of His Blood and Holy Spirit to save me.

I dont walk after the His commandments to be saved. I enter salvation by faith in Christs power. Now because Im saved, by faith, Im walking in my faith in the true Christ, empowering me to walk in their original spiritual intent as David, as Moses, as Abraham did.

While on earth my Father also SAVES me from what is not just, or good/holy for me, Romans 7:12.
Now my spirit is strengthen by the Holy Spirit to grow in the original intent of the Law/Torah/teachings and instructions some in the form of commandments.

Or should I have a powerless faith as the apostates?
---Paul9594 on 11/12/09

Cluny, Not so.
Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20 was given from God to Apostle Peter & he delivered to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost. In the which Man-made trin-people deny.
Acts 2 v 42. The teachings of the Apostles, even Apoastle Paul was saved with This Very Same Salvation message. He was baptized in The Name of The Lord which Is, Jesus Christ.
NO one found in N-Testament scriptures of any one that was litterally baptized in the titles, Father-Son & holy spirit.
The Father-Son & Holy spirit baptism was started by constantine the first r-catholic pope. Man-made from here, 2 nd. Cor. 11 v's 14-15.
---Lawrence on 11/11/09

"The more denominations there are the safer is democracy". Thomas Jefferson.
---Lee1538 on 11/11/09

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\\The One God Jesus Christ Name Apostolic Pentecost Chuch,\\

This one is man-made, too.
---Cluny on 11/11/09

Around the world. The One God Jesus Christ Name Apostolic Pentecost Chuch, according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20, Gal 1 v's 8-9. Using a number figure & Not exact as if there are 25 thousand Churches world-wide. Strait is the gate, narrow is the way & be but few to find it.
Around the world. The Man-mades(2nd Cori 11 v's 14-15)relig-org's churches starting with r-catholocism the first trin-church & her off-srings churches using a number figure & Not exact as if there are, One hundred & 25 thousand churches world wide. B R O A D Is the way that leadeth to destruction & many it shall be. The muslim god even the hindu's, buddha etc will fall in line also. There's more Man-mades.
---Lawrence on 11/11/09

So denominations are formed so that one group of Christians can claim they are hand-picked by God over another. That they have gained favor and peace with God by some work of their own or by how closely they followed Gods law as a Christian instead of by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Thats why so many people reject the faith saves gospel. They simply cant humble themselves enough to admit they arent worthy now, nor will ever be worthy, of eternal life.

Romans 9:31-32
But (insert your name here), which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone,
---JackB on 11/10/09

Paul, youre a perfect example of why Christianity has so many denominations.

Anyone can take a few verses from random books and create their own version of what saves and judge other people according to those verses.

You know the only way a man can never boast or judge others? If he has been saved by grace through faith.

Heres an example of what Im talking about Romans 2:13,14,15 as you used them...
---JackB on 11/10/09

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Gen 38:7 And Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of Jehovah. And Jehovah slew him.
8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her, and raise up seed to thy brother. (ASV)

How did Judah know that this was Onans duty? He lived hundreds of years before the codification at Mount Sinai!

All the children of the faith down through history followed the Torah.
Do you?

Where do you begin? With faith in Christ keep The 10 commandments memorize them, keep the Sabbath, You may rest or you may do good with you Father in mind, the Sabbath is prophetic .

More on this later! According to Christs teaching Torah/Gospels.
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09

Is it not in the nature of His children to want to avoid sin?

Do not eat unclean animals is in the Law. Sin, missing the mark of perfection.

Do you not want to grow to the mark of perfection, as much you can enpowered by the Holy Spirit?

What is sin?
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Why did Christ manifest?

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away :sins, and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: Every one that doeth sin hath not seen him, neither hath known him.

Takes away those sins, we cannot keep as we grow walking after His commandments.
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09

Glad you dont break these commandments.

YetYour conscience given by Father is marred by precepts of apostates.

For your benefit grow into the Torah meaning, teaching/instructions, of your Father, some are in the form of COMMANDMENTS. With a faith marred by the precepts of the apostates, how much can one grow into the benefits of the Torah?

You the desire of the Spirit, righteous, but have not the full understanding of righteousness because of the precepts of men.

Would youTeach?

Do we then make Law of NONE EFFECT through faith? NO we establish the Law. (Romans/3:31)

Then teach the opposite?

Well neither would Paul! Forget the interpretations/translations contradicting Paul, of the apostates!
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09

Gary, do you lay with another man? Do you steal? Do you covet your neighbors wife? Why are you keeping the Law?
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09

Paul - No, I don't do any of those things, but NOT because of laws. I don't do them because it is not my nature to do them. I don't want to do them. The Spirit within me wouldn't let me do those things.

My mother is now 93 and eats anything she wants, including pork. She has been healthy all her life. She was raised on meat, pork, etc. as she lived on a farm. I was also raised on meat, pork, etc. and am in excellent health.
---Gary on 11/10/09

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Romans 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: 14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves,

15 they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing [them]),

Gary, do you lay with another man? Do you steal? Do you covet your neighbors wife? Why are you keeping the Law? Continue not breaking the law, walking in the Spirit, stop eating pork, good for your body. Finally science catches up to the wisdom of God!
---Paul9594 on 11/10/09

After His resurrection He taught different?

AFTER His resurrection:
Luke24:27 and BEGINNING from MOSES and FROM ALL THE PROPHETS, He interpreted to them in ALL the scriptures the things concerning himself.

1 THE first treatise (BOOK OF LUKE) I made, Theophilus, CONCERNING ALL that Jesus began both TO DO AND TEACH, 2 UNTIL THE DAY in which He was received up, after COMMANDING through the Holy Spirit

Matthew19 Go therefore, and disciple all the nations, into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to keep ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I COMMANDED YOU:

His commands for the apostles are found ONLY within Gospels! Should we follow the apostles or the apostates teaching?
---Paul9594 on 11/9/09

The different denominations coorespond to the different people. For example, When the Law says, "Love your neighbor", then one denomination may give food to the poor, and another denomination may offer an unemployed person a job, and another may offer the homeless a shelter, another may visit the infirmed and elderly in the hospitals, another denomination may witness to inmates in prison, another may become a friend to the friendless or yet another become a father to the fatherless. Yet each of these denominations are equally obeying the Law in their own way, which coimmands, "Love your neighbor as you would love yourself".
---Eloy on 11/9/09

Lee1538: "Neither you nor steveng have ever studied the doctrine of sanctification - that process by which God works within us to make us into the image of Christ - believing instead that it is we that must perfect ourselves."

Doctrines, doctrines, doctrines. All this stuff man has been adding on to faith over the years makes living a christian life complicated. It has nothing to do with faith. A christian life should be as simple as obeying the two commandments spoken of by Jesus - to love God with all our minds, hearts and souls, and to love our neighbors. By adding your doctrines spoil the faith and joy of being a true christian. Read Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 11/9/09

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The saviors Children dont read His lips first:

John 14:24 But the Comforter, the Holy:Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and BRING TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE ALL THAT I SAID TO YOU.

His children learn from leaders without the Holy Spirit, they do not bring to your remembrance ALL THAT YOUR savior said unto you, or they contradict what He said.

If ANY TEACHING does not consent (1timothy 6:3-4) to the wholesome words of Jesus Christ or contradicts ANY PART OF His Word the Law and the Prophets, throw it out! Because you are learning the precepts of men and not of your Father! Also learn, follow the apostles not the apostates. ASV Best not KJV!
---Paul9594 on 11/9/09

Because man, in his carnal-minded-ness thinks he knows better than God. So man takes what God says and puts his own spin on it and then you have another religion/demonination.

When I saw Tom Cruise salute the guy who started Scientology I almost puked. When I see the statue of the guy with the big belly and people worship it, I want to burn it down.

There is only ONE True God, ONE Truth and that is God's word. Obey it and live, sin against it and die. The wages of sin is death.
---Donna on 11/9/09

Lee, The scriptures do not record that the woman disobeyed Jesus and went and sinned again and was destroyed, therefore the answer is No, there is no record that she sinned again. And No, I have not sinned ever since my conversion from Christ, instead I am a well-doer and do his works for his life lives in me. And 1 John 1:8 which you took out of context refers to sinners walking in darkness in I John 1:6 and not to the born-again saints walking in the light in I John 1:7. "Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, for his seed remains in that one and that one cannot sin, because that one is born of God." I John 3:9.
---Eloy on 11/9/09

>the doctrine of sanctification - that process by which God works within us to make us into the image of Christ

Amen! Only by and through Christ can we be perfected like our Father in heaven is perfect.
---djconklin on 11/9/09

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Eloy, yes Christ did tell the woman to go and sin no more and that is what He also tells us. But did the woman sin more? Do we still sin? 1 John 1:8 tells us that if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Obviously those that claim they no longer sin are spiritually blind.

Neither you nor steveng have ever studied the doctrine of sanctification - that process by which God works within us to make us into the image of Christ - believing instead that it is we that must perfect ourselves.
---Lee1538 on 11/9/09

Lee, Many choose false beliefs and to be sorry, rather then believe the truth and to obey. Yes, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a person sows, that will the person also reap. After saving the woman who committed adultery, Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more, else something worse will come upon you." He did Not say, Go, and sin some more, so I can save you some more. "Should we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid, How could we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know you all not, that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness?" Romans 6:1,2,16. Please Read- Ezekiel 33:12-20.
---Eloy on 11/9/09

Because man likes to make their own laws and intertwine them with God's Laws. It's stupid, really. It's like how the pharisees tried to make "Washing hands before meals," a Holy law.
---amand6348 on 11/8/09

Lee1538: "Sorry but you really do not know the Scripture as it states those who accept Christ into their lives actually become a new Creation (2 Cor. 5:17, Gal. 6:15) and the Lord will begin a work in them that He will finish. Phil. 1:6."

The bible does say that many have backslidden.

Lee1538: "Truly Eloy, if you have to work to keep your salvation,"

The bible says that faith without works is dead faith.
---Steveng on 11/8/09

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Denominational "churches" (even your socalled non-denomiantional "churches") are a product of Satan who is the father of division and confusion. A newly born christian whould most certainly be confused about what "church" to join.

Why do today's christians make a simple concept and turn it into something complex?

Read Colossians 2:8-10

To fulfill the two commandments as spoken of by Jesus, do an online KJV bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag" because a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle - not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational "churches."
---Steveng on 11/8/09

//eloy ...not all whom accept Christ stay in Christ, for many backslide into sin and fall from grace and they leave Christ to live in sin and never repent again back to the Lord but are condemned.

So you believe that those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit actually lose their salvation if they backslide?

Sorry but you really do not know the Scripture as it states those who accept Christ into their lives actually become a new Creation (2 Cor. 5:17, Gal. 6:15) and the Lord will begin a work in them that He will finish. Phil. 1:6.

Truly Eloy, if you have to work to keep your salvation, you probably never had it in the first place. Your god apparently does not love you enough to keep you in the fold.
---Lee1538 on 11/8/09

I study the Bible on my own several hours each week, and discuss my learning with another who I consider well versed in the Bible, who also got fed up with local churches and no longer attends services.

Amen Gary

religion is from man NOT God ...there is very little truth mixed in with many lies from religious denominations of the WORLD - Babylon confusion

you are correct to separate yourself from them - God tells us to come out from among them

read His word seeking to understand pray the True God will open your eyes more to His precious Truth ...may The Father in Heaven be with you during your studies
---Rhonda on 11/8/09

Gary, 1st Cliff,

I agree with you guys 100%. I posted this several times. Hopefully someone will hear your concerns.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/8/09

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1st cliff, Not all churches are as bad as you depict, but many many are, and it is sad to see a good church turn bad. When a real christian stays in Christ, reads the "Holy Bible" and worships Christ and follows his commandments, we may be knocked off our feet by the enemy, but God will pick us back up and condemn the enemy for his violence against the righteous. So many false teachings are in the world, and the churches need to get back to the unadulterated word, the New Testament in the "Holy Bible". Forget myths, fairy tales, world views which change from decade to decade, and get back to the Holy Scriptures: "if they speak not according to this word, because they have no light in them."
---Eloy on 11/8/09

In some ways I am thankful that I didn't become a born-again believer until the age 48, and didn't start going to church until I was 51. I studied the Bible on my own before ever going to church.

Then I started trying different churches. I have gone to two non-denominational churches, a couple SDA churches (for several years), a Church of God church for a few years, a Baptist church for a year, and a couple others. Now I go to NO local church as I found ALL of them to teach their own made-made doctrines, and I got fed up with it.

I study the Bible on my own several hours each week, and discuss my learning with another who I consider well versed in the Bible, who also got fed up with local churches and no longer attends services.
---Gary on 11/7/09

Personally I see denominationalism as " packaged religion" One picks the "package" that best suits his/her belief system!
From the quiet conservative bible study group, to the loud boisterous,roll in the aisle,gibberish babbling evangelical...and all those in the specktrum in between!
Pick your package!
Your chances of picking the right one is like playing Russian roulette with hundreds of loaded chambers and only one blank!
Is there truth in there somewhere?
---1st_cliff on 11/7/09

To some extent, they are self perpetuating. Once established, their people depend on the continuation of the denomination for their jobs and livlihoods.

In recent years, they have fallen out of fashion. Some churches change their name to hide their denomination. I know of a number of Baptist churches that took "Baptist" out of their name and go by some generic name like "Woodlake Community Church".

I go to a non-denominational mega church. We are tied together with dozens of other denominational churches in town for mutual events and community ministry projects. There are very few "walls" from where I sit.
---obewan on 11/6/09

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Choices are a matter of orintation based on what the person was exposed to from infancy and growing up. People also walk in the light-understanding they have about the Bible,that too is usually based on prior learning growing up. The wonderful thing once we become Christians we can walk in Christs light and learn more,understand more,and receive more of God and His Word. It all depends on having an open heart and open mind to God. Letting Him guide us to the place we need to be. A hard nose,stiff necked,dig in your heels and cling to the old,will never grow any further in God than his denomination allows. We have to be malleable in Gods hands in order to receive all He has for us. Let Go and Let God.
---Darlene_1 on 11/6/09

SATAN rules the churches of this world (i.e) rev 2 & 3, all of them, there is not one that is the true to the word of god- GET OUT OF THE CHURCHES OR BE PARTAKER OF HER JUDGEMENT. The ONE true church of God is not going to be found in this life time although some of its members are here. We will not know who they are at this time because we can't see into the heart of man, only god can.
---metuschelah on 11/6/09

They are not "from one Law", but our Apostle Paul says contentions, dissensions, and heresies" are "the works of the flesh", in Galatians 5:19-26. "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, are not wise." (2 Corinthians 10:12) It is not from the Law, then, but from "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2) working in human nature. Satan's spirit has people unable to understand what they see, plus his emotions of his spirit can degrade us emotionally while having us struggling for his wrong beliefs, so we suffer stress and in arguing and unforgiveness, etc.
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/09

One of the main reasons for the many different denominations and/or churches is people do not understand they're calling.
Many people are called to be evangelist. And what the evangelist does is deliver the message of how we can be saved. Many of those called understand this and because they have no outlet for their message they go start a new church or even a new denomination.
This was brought home to me many years ago through my dealings with the churches. Yes the churches want you to deliver a message but they insist that message must present their church as the only way and in the most favorable light.
---mima on 11/6/09

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God's Church,born on the day of Pentecost according to Mark 16 v 16,Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20.
Gal 1 v's 8-9. Freedom of religion is Not scriptural. The Strait gate,narrow is the way & but few to find it.
For the man constantine(the light that came to him Is,2nd Cor 11 v's 14-15)devised r-catholocism the first trin-church with their idol-graven worship etc. For r-catholocism's offspring churches,the bapt, presby,naz,metho,etc.,came later on in years but Not in this order. NO one found in scriptures that was baptized in the titles, Father-Son & holy spirit. Again freedom of religion is Not scriptural,But,God does give people a choice. B R O A D is the way that leads to destruction & many it shall be.
---Lawrence on 11/6/09

Having read the answers so far I do not believe I can improve on them are clarified them. But the many many different denominations are clear evidence that with the bloggers speak of is true!!
---mima on 11/6/09

For the same reason that there are so many diverse kinds of people, some outspoken and some reserved, some loud and some quiet, etc.
---Eloy on 11/6/09

In many cases, it simply boils down to someone saying, "Now we're finally going to have a REAL New Testament Church--and **I** will be the head of it."
---Cluny on 11/6/09

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"They rather follow the traditions of men, than worship the true faith of God."

Every church out there. From the Lutherans to the latest rock and roll church has its traditions which they follow over the Truth. (Catholic/Orthodox churches do it unabashed) God is Truth. Churches are no longer houses of God, but country clubs that people join according to their likes. They're not any different from Boys and Girls clubs. When you join you become an elitist member of that churches traditions and defend against it no matter what the Bible says. Even against God himself. So now you have the modern version of the Houses of Babel (Denomations)
---Pastor_Jim on 11/5/09

alot of mixed up deceived people.
---tom2 on 11/5/09

coz of the "self" admitted.
---dsda on 11/5/09

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