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Teaching Just For The Jew

What are the teachings for the Jew and those for the nations? Is there a difference?

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"Then how do we know what SIN is? Trust our feelings? Does everyone have a different set of sin definitions based on his love for his neighbor?"
---jerry6593 on 3/1/10

Good and valid questions jerry6593.
---Nana on 3/1/10


Ignatius:

Christ kept the Law perfectly (Matthew 5:17-20)Paul, apostles kept the Law well into the church age!

30 yrs into church age Paul teaches:

1Cr 11:1 Be ye imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.

If you were Paul and imitated Christ as Paul did, would turn around and contradict yourself and say the law is bondage, fleshly, religious, like the apostasy claims?

The only things passed are the Laws related to the sacrifices which were only temporary until Christ came!

How do we know? Wisdom cries out on the Street! Eccl. 1:20
Doe our Father lack the Power to raise up the Temple and the priests, for the last, nearly two millenniums? Of course not, now our sin offering is Christ by faith!
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Lee1538:

Did Christ say?

Thou should belong to Lee1538's denomination, teachings?

How about Paul, Peter, or other Holy men, Did they ask what's your denomination?

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me

Should we listen to the teachings of denominations which have developed traditions of the church that void His Law and Prophets, LIKE THE PHARISEES?

I believe His law, the Prophets, and His Apostles.

Did the Pharisees ever figure out what denomination Christ was?

Did the Pharisees ever figure out what denomination His apostles were?

No! Because they were blind to HIS truth.
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Ignatius:

Christ kept Law perfectly (Matthew 5:17-20) and Paul into the church age also kept His Law!

Paul taught 30 YRS, AFTER the resurrection, 30 yrs. INTO the church age:

1Cr 11:1 Be ye imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Taught to keep feasts, 1 Corinthians 5:8

Taught gentiles on the Sabbaths book of Acts.

The Sacrificial Laws were renewed in Christ, no new Laws.


Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be ye imitators together of me, and mark them that so walk even as ye have us for an ensample.

19 whose end is perdition, whose god is the belly, and [whose] glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

Do you mind earthly teachings or the teachings of Paul, Christ?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Ignatius:

Christ kept Law perfectly (Matthew 5:17-20) and Paul into the church age also kept His Law!

Paul taught 30 YRS, AFTER the resurrection, 30 yrs. INTO the church age:

1Cr 11:1 Be ye imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Taught to keep feasts, 1 Corinthians 5:8

Gathered Gentiles on the Sabbaths, book of Acts.

Christ, is the Subtance of Sacrifical laws, no new Laws.

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be ye imitators together of me, and mark them that so walk even as ye have us for an ensample.

Do you want to be marked as walking like Paul the Apostle?

Or do you want be marked as one that does not walk in the traditions of the Apostles?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10




Paul, to answer your questions.
You said:
1. "Should we advise Christians to be like the Christ of the Gospels?"
Answer is "no." Telling someone to be more Christ like is really saying we are more then they are. It is the Spirit who makes him more Christ like.
2. "Or should we be like some lawless Christ?"
The answer is "no," we should be more like Christ.
3. "or Should we follow the traditons developed by the church?"
The answer is "no" we should follow what the Word of God teaches. many traditions are false created for purposes other then for God.
---MarkV. on 3/1/10


Paul9594:

Okay Paul, let's define what "obedience to the Law" means to you and to me.

I agree with the NT Scriptures that say the "ceremonial" commandments are no longer in effect but I also believe these do not annul the 10 commandments, because I believe the 10 commandments are what is written on our consciences by God.

In addition to keeping the 10 commandments, you must add the commandments of Jesus, the Beautitudes, the commandments in the writings of John, the commandments in the writings of Paul, and the commandments in the writings of Peter. I would guess every book in the NT contains commandments to the believer.

This is obedience to the Law in the NT.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/1/10


Mark_Eaton:

U posted:
Having said this, we must remember

1 Pet 1:15 "but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior"///

Yes, we must remember this GREAT verse!

Christ IS The Holy one! Whose behavior is demonstrated in the Gospels, As He kept His Laws, isnt' He beautiful?

Then why is it wrong to keep His Commandments in the Sirit of love: Christ?

Did the apostasy teach the Law is bondage?

Do we see Christ in bondage in the Gospels?
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10


Please answer questions.
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10

We have answered your questions with Scriptures, over, and over, and over.

All I can say is that you do not seem to discern them.

You and several others here, do not agree with the books of Romans and Hebrews, and do not accept the teachings of Paul. In doing so, you miss many doctrinal truths. The major one, is that there is a new covenant in place, initiated by Jesus himself and that it obsoletes (not my word, God's word) the old covenant.

Having said this, we must remember

1 Pet 1:15 "but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/1/10


MarkV:
///Paul, I believe you should be using some kind of Bible helpers because you are so far of with your own interpretations.///

Mark, since you have the discernment to tell me that I'm so far in my interpretations.

And since Lee1538, Mark_Eaton, Kathr4453 have not answered some simple questions.

With your discernment for correct interpretatons, can you answer some simple questions?

Should we advise Christians to be like the Christ of the Gospels?


Or should we be like some lawless Christ?

or Should we follow the traditons developed by the church?


Please answer questions.
---Paul9594 on 3/1/10




The Torah was for the Hebrews and anyone who moved to their land.

Once Jesus Christ lived and died and rose again, He broke down the wall separating the two and made both the Hebrews and the nations one in Christ. A new creation in Christ for any person who chooses to belong to Christ.

The teaching of redemption in Christ is for both.

The teaching that Jesus Christ is now the High Priest in things pertaining to God is for both.

The teaching that one should love the Lord your God and love your neighbor is for both.
---Rod4Him on 3/1/10


Matthew 25:
1-13 What is the oil? Is it the 10 commandments that the other 5 virgins don't have that the Lord rejects them?
14-30 What are the talents? Is it the 10 commandments that the servant buries and thus is rejected by the Lord? Does the first servant receive more commandments for doing well?
31-46 Which of these actions breaks any of the 10 commandments and thus the Lord cast them out? Which do the righteous fulfill, the 10 commandments or the 2 Royal Laws of God?
Please think carefully on these things to see if there is any sin among us.
The 10 commandments are passive, Christ wants us to be active. Actively watching(1-13), increasing in His knowledge(14-30), and applying His laws of the Spirit(31-46).
Am I wrong?
---MIchael on 3/1/10


Thank you Ignatius.

I am glad you correctly discern what the book of Hebrews teaches. Many do not.

As we get closer and closer to the return of Christ, and as the "times of the Gentiles" draws to a close, I believe we will see more and more people like Paul who believe in Christ but also believe in the tenets of Orthodox Judaism.

It makes sense and is a clear sign that the season of His return is near.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/1/10


I KEEP WONDERING WHY PAUL9594 WILL NOT REVEAL WHAT HIS DENOMINATION IS CALLED.

WHATEVER THEY ARE THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES HAD BEEN TEACHING THE WRONG MESSAGE.
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10

Wow,what if he is just a Christian. What then? What is it to you if he searches/Posts words of prophets.

Obviously there is no consensus amongst the churches or there would only be one church. You are denominationally trying to come against Paul right now. For what? Is your mixed up "cult" better? I don't know what Paul believes? If he is comparing the prophets to the New Testament he has a witness. Most Denoms do not. Therefore they don't/can't explain or understand the New.
---Trav on 3/1/10


Paul, I believe you should be using some kind of Bible helpers because you are so far of with your own interpretations. Bible along is not helping you at all. Most of you complain, about others not been under the law, and it is because you have not understood a word that God has said for those who are in Christ. And since you cannot hear God's word clearly, maybe you do need some commentaries to help you understand. You need some help Paul. Even Paul of the bible needed help.
Too many here say, not to read anything but to use your own head, but many times your own head does not get the message. And maybe the Holy Spirit is directing you to some help and you won't listen.
---MarkV. on 3/1/10


Lee: "The law reveals to us what sin is"

OK, specifically, what LAW? And specifically, what SINS does it reveal.

"But now we are released from the law"

Then how do we know what SIN is? Trust our feelings? Does everyone have a different set of sin definitions based on his love for his neighbor?
---jerry6593 on 3/1/10


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Jerry//How do you reconcile your anti-law advocacy with love to our Savior

I do keep His commandments (1 John 3:23, Romans 13:10).

I am not at all 'anti-law'.

The law reveals to us what sin is, but the law was our guardian UNTIL Christ came, in order that we might be justified (declared righteous)by faith. But now faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, thru faith.(3:24-26)

Ro 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to which held us captive, so we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

why do you have a problem with those who desire to live in the new life of the Spirit? Have you been totally Judaized?
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10


Jerry - //Since your "truth" calls Jesus a liar, I want no part of it.

The 'truth' I speak is from Scripture and has always been the teachings of His church.

Was Jesus a liar when He said -

Truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.John 5:24

But SDA convoluted Investigative judgment states Christians will be judged as to their worthiness to enter into eternal life, that being obedience of the 10 commandments.

Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith...it is a gift from God.

No says the Judaizer, grace only enables one to obey the law and thus earn ones salvation.
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10


Lee1538:

U posted verse:
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything-and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you-abide in him.///

If you have no need that anyone teach you why did you got to school?

Why do people go to church, is it not learn
The Father's Word?

Your posting are full contradictions, and bad reasoning, like the above.

Stop reading commentaries, read Chrit's words, this is my advice, or you maybe surprised when you hear Matthew 7:20-23.
---Paul9594 on 2/28/10


//For almost any denomination of today....they would have to leave the denomination to understand what you mention above.

I KEEP WONDERING WHY PAUL9594 WILL NOT REVEAL WHAT HIS DENOMINATION IS CALLED.

WHATEVER THEY ARE THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES HAD BEEN TEACHING THE WRONG MESSAGE.

WHAT BASIS DOES THE DENOMINATION PAUL9594 BELONGS HAVE TO SAY THE CHURCH HAS BEEN IN ERROR?

WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THEIR INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE OVER THAT OF WHAT HAS BEEN TAUGHT IN THE CHURCH?

DO THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF BURNING BUSH IN THEIR MIDST CONTAINING THE TRUTH THAT AUTHENICATES THEIR BELIEFS OVER THAT OF OTHERS?

Those sects that claim only they have the truth are usually CULTS.
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10


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Those that pitch obedience to the Old Covenant are trying to pour new wine into old wineskins Mt. 9:16f
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10

Well you would be correct.

Now recognizing scripturally these New Wineskins I've yet to see any discover yet here....they Heb 8:8... have Heb 8:10 written in.....

Most confuse the contextual whole with Judah. I mean really why does it even matter? It doesn't, except perhaps to the ones it is written too,concerning.
---Trav on 2/28/10


What did Christ teach?

John 14:16 I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Did He teach Old Covenant law was the way to God the Father. Not at all.

Lu 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Note that He did NOT say, the cup was to become the 'renewed' covenant in my blood as Judaizers teach.

And what did He do to those who He had commissioned?

He made them 'ministers of the New Covenant', a covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:6

Those that pitch obedience to the Old Covenant are trying to pour new wine into old wineskins Mt. 9:16f
---Lee1538 on 2/28/10


Call it Word, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, Christ did.

What did Christ/ Apostles quote to teach?
OLD Testament!
---Paul9594 on 2/27/10

For almost any denomination of today....they would have to leave the denomination to understand what you mention above. The ecuminical/cath-olic pablum taught ......is not prophet witnessed. Some of your scriptural points show this. The core and basis of all scripture we hold is Israel....who most equate with Judah/jews only. An amazing irony...but, for a reason and a season arranged by GOD.

Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband, the LORD of hosts is his name, and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel, The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
---Trav on 2/28/10


Jerry, is that the best you can do? That is your problem and many others, when they run out of words they resort to words like yours. It happens with those who like to take the glory away from God. The workers of free will so they can have the right they think they deserve for coming to Christ. By their own works not the works of Christ on the Cross and the works of the Holy Spirit. Then brag about their accomplishments as you do. I recognize it very well from Kathr, Miche and Nana who follows RCC traditions. Those who say they receive faith after they come to Christ by their works. So you do not surprise me with your comments. They too run out of words and resort to the same as you.
---MarkV. on 2/28/10


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As I read and study the OT, I see that God always was concerned about a person's heart and not the regulations. That what the OT teaches. Read the Prophets, what was Israel being chastised for? Their behavior.
---Rod4Him on 2/27/10


Lee: "Would I be showing love toward you if I slept with your wife? .. Jerry, you are so far down into the pit, it is doubtful that anyone with the truth can help you."

Is there no depth to which you will not stoop? Is this how you demonstrate your love to your neighbor?

How do you possibly reconcile your anti-law advocacy with love to our Saviour when He said "If you love me, keep my commandments" and "Think not that I am come to destroy the law,....I am not come to destroy....For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law."

Since your "truth" calls Jesus a liar, I want no part of it.
---jerry6593 on 2/28/10


"MarkV, Lee1538, Mark_Eaton, others diminish .....the Old Testament" (Paul)

On the contary, they uphold the Old Testament as Holy Scriptures, but also recognize that the Old Covenant has became "obsolete and growing old [and] is ready to vanish away" (Saint Paul, Hebrews 8:13), and that we are under a better covenant, not bound by external elements of the law (OT Sabbath observances, feast days, Levitical dietary laws, etc.).

Are you and other Jewish Legalizers (Jerry, etc) any different that those "natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed" (2 Peter 2:12) Saint Paul had to battle with in Galatians, who wish to entangle us once again in the yoke of bondage (Gal 5:1)?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/28/10


I know you really cannot understand this but while it is true both Old & New Testament scripture are 'profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousnes (2 Tim. 3:15), Christians are to live in the new life of the Spirit and not in the old written code (Roman 7:6).

Thus we need not focus on the externalism of the law (OT Sabbath observances, feast days, Levitical dietary laws, etc.) but on what pertains to the heart.

Is it not good the OT law was only a guardian or schoolmaster in order that we could be justified by faith in accordance to the promise given to Abraham?

Try studying Galatians with a good commentary written by someone the Lord has called into that ministry?
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


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//No New Testament 4 200 yrs at least.

A study of early church history would reveal some of the Apostles and their early associates wrote letters to the various churches which were copied and shared with other churches.

Among them were letters to the Romans, Hebrews, Colossians, Galatian and Ephesians that distinguished the Old from the New Covenant.

So your assumption that all the early church had after the demise of the Apostles was the Old Testament is incorrect.

And any good study of the Gentile church should tell you they did not observe laws that were strictly Jewish such as Sabbath observances, Levitical dietary laws, - things designed to separate the Jewish peoples from other peoples.Le 20:26
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


//No New Testament for 200 yrs + So what is good to make you wise for SALVATION and for TEACHING, correction, righteousness?
----------
Like today, Christians in the early church upon coming to know Christ and being born again of Him, were filled with God's Holy Spirit and saved eternally and that apart from the law.(see Galatians)

As we have Jesus to walk with us, He is all we really need.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything-and is true and is no lie, just as it has taught you-abide in him.

When are you going to junk your religion and receive that same anointing?
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


Children, MarkV, Lee1538, Mark_Eaton, others diminish the value of the Old Testament, and its teachings.

Yet, Paul 23 to 30 yrs INTO CHURCH AGE teaches:

2Tim 3:15 from a babe thou hast known the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ. 16 Every SCRIPTURE is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is in: RIGHTEOUSNESS:

No New Testament 4 200 yrs at least.

What is good to make you WISE 4 SALVATION and 4 TEACHING, correction Discipline, in righteousness?

Old Testament.

Call it Word, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, Christ did.

What did Christ/ Apostles quote to teach?
OLD Testament!
---Paul9594 on 2/27/10


Children of the Father, Lee1538, others, suggest not 2 quote Old Testament for teachings on Salvation, righteousness, is this right?

Paul 23 to 30 yrs INTO CHURCH AGE teaches:

2Tim 3:15 from a babe thou hast known the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 Every SCRIPTURE is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is in: RIGHTEOUSNESS:

No New Testament for 200 yrs +

So what is good to make you wise for SALVATION and for TEACHING, correction, righteousness?

What did Christ/ Apostles quote to teach?
Old Testament!

Call it Word, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, they did.
---Paul9594 on 2/27/10


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// It is silly to think that if I love my neighbor, I can worship idols or commit adultery with my neighbor.

Would I be showing love toward you if I slept with your wife?

Jerry, you are so far down into the pit, it is doubtful that anyone with the truth can help you.

Frankly you simply do not accept the FACT that Scriptures states 'Love of neighbor fulfills the law' (Romans 13:10)simply because it, like much of the rest of the Bible does not support what you want to believe.

Follow the Christ who died for us on the Cross that we may live eternally with Him, not the Moses who was received from Him the 10 commandments.
---Lee1538 on 2/27/10


Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Mark 12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Luke 10:26-28 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
---MIchael on 2/27/10


Samuel: Good points! Loving one's neighbor was never meant as a substitute for obedience to God's own commandments. It is silly to think that if I love my neighbor, I can worship idols or commit adultery with my neighbor. Besides, it is too nebulous a command to point out the speficity of sin the way the Ten Commandments do. Can you imagine a judge trying to rule on such a nebulous law? If we truly have love for God AND our neighbors in our hearts, then we will keep the Ten Commandments.
---jerry6593 on 2/27/10


Why do people say the Love GOD commandment was first spoken by JESUS. It is from Moses that JESUS quoted.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

LOve Neighbor is Levitical law.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Lev 19:34 [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself, for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.

Love is the Principal and the driving force behind keeping the law of GOD and always has been.
---Samuel on 2/26/10


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The principle behind the 10 commandments is found in Romans 13:9-10 -

The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So our attention should be on what our relationship to our neighbor is and should be.

Jesus told us if we have done it unto the least of His, we have done it unto Him. Mt. 25:45.

But the flesh really loves loves to be religious by focusing on externals of the law such as observances of holy days, Levitical dietary laws, etc. things having virtually nothing to do with love of neighbor.
---Lee1538 on 2/25/10


MarkV: "he can help you with works for salvation, he knows them very well, for there is where you got yours from, and they also worship idols. You need friends real bad."

Did you forget to take your medication again?
---jerry6593 on 2/26/10


Dear Rod4him:

It's GREAT to emphasize the 10 commandments.
This is the Summary of the Law. AND IT'S A GOOD STARTIN POINT, especially for babes in Christ.

Because the rest of the Law,that Christ teaches to keep, is kept based the measure of faith of the indidivual. This is different with every believer.

According to his/her faith IN CHRIST, one grows in ability, understanding to walk after the rest of the Law because he/she desires obedience to Him, out of love,respect.

No walks after the least commndment to be saved! But it's the evidence of true faith!
Christ teaches on the Law on Chapters 5 through 7! Do we trash this chapters?
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


Dear Rod4him:

It's GREAT to emphasize the TEN!
This is the Summary of the Law. AND IT'S A GOOD STARTIN POINT, especially for babes in Christ.

The rest of the Law,Christ teaches to keep, is kept based the measure of faith of the individual. This is different with every believer.

According to growth in faith IN CHRIST, one grows in ability, and understanding to walk after the rest of the Law because he/she desires obedience to Him, out of love,respect.

No one walks after the least commandment to be saved! But it's the evidence of true faith to walk after the least commandment to it's true spiritual intent!
Christ teaches on the Law in Matthew Chapters 5 through 7! Why should we just trash this chapters?
---Paul9594 on 2/25/10


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Numbers 15:16, in context is talking about "making an offering by fire to the Lord, a burnt offering..., making a vow,...freewill offering,...grain offering of one-tenth of an ephah of fine flour," and so forth.

Isn't it strange how some people pick and choose and use verses out of context to bring the innocent under legalism.

If one is going to say only the 10 commandments are still in effect today, they need to be consistent. Using Numbers 15 to convince others to keep the law is problematic.
---Rod4Him on 2/25/10


Nana, you were talking about 1 John 5, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments." and listen to the next verse, "And His commands are not burdensome."
First, the passage from verse 1 the subject is love. Second, if you tried the keep the whole law, you would not be able to. It would be burdensome to anyone. But the commandments John was speaking were the two that Jesus gave about love. He did say, "keep My commandments."
Third, the last verse, "Keep yourselves from Idols" Here you are a hypocrite, because you are an idol worshipper. So you tell others to do something when you are going against one of the Ten Commandments yourself.
---MarkV. on 2/25/10


Jerry, you are speaking to the wrong guy concerning following commandments. He is an RCC follower, he can help you with works for salvation, he knows them very well, for there is where you got yours from, and they also worship idols. You need friends real bad.
---MarkV. on 2/25/10


Nana: Isn't it strange how some here think that they can show love to God by disobeying Him?
---jerry6593 on 2/25/10


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1 John 5:3_4: "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world."
---Nana on 2/24/10


"I believe what Nana is talking about is about the commands John gave to the rest of the believers."
---MarkV. on 2/20/10

I believe you have no idea whatsoever of what I said. What is, "to the rest of the believers"?


"Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."
---jerry6593 on 2/22/10

Good one jerry6593!
---Nana on 2/22/10


Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
---jerry6593 on 2/22/10


I believe what Nana is talking about is about the commands John gave to the rest of the believers.
"And 1 John 5 ends with, "Little children, keep yourselves from idols."
Idol worshippers were those that John spoke of earlier in chapter 2:19. These were John's commands to the believers reminding the believers to not do what the false teachers were doing. "They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of the were of us"
---MarkV. on 2/20/10


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What is a true Jew? One who believes that Jesus is the Messiah or Christ [Gal. 3:26-29], relies on God's grace and not works of the law [Eph. 2:8-9], and has been circumcised in his heart by the Holy Spirit. In spite of his grief that most of his fellow Jews did not accept his message, Paul believed that Jesus had not abandoned the Jews.
---catherine on 2/19/10


Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh,

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham,

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Where do you find that Scripture is not for the church. Not all is applied but all is for us.
---Samuel on 2/19/10


And 1 John 5 ends with, "Little children, keep yourselves from idols."
Is not that a commandment? Even Paul covers idolatry (amongst many more things) in Galatians 5:19_21, and even ends with a warning!!!
So then, it is not just 'love', but the details of that love, how to love, must always be present with us and must be taught. Jesus, John, Peter, Paul, they all did that until Lee1538 was born...
---Nana on 2/18/10


The OT. starting with Gen 12, MMLJ, first part of Acts mainly to the Nation of Israel with few exceptions, Acts 9 God calls Paul to go to the Gentile (nations) with exceptions.
---michael_e on 2/18/10


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Hbr 8:7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hbr 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
---MIchael on 2/17/10


//1 John 5:3 And hereby we know we know him, IF WE keep his :commandments.

The problem here is that Biblical expositors will tell us the commandments John was referring to was not the 10 commandments given on Mt. Sinai, but the two he mentioned in 1 John 3:22-24 namely 1) to believe in the name of His son Jesus Christ and 2) to love one another.

This also makes sense if scripture is to be interpreted by scripture as we read in Romans 13:10 that love of neighbor is the fulfillment of the law.

One needs to read the Scripture in context, otherwise one would have to keep the Jewish sabbath- a commandment that has nothing to do with love of neighbor nor commanded of Gentile converts or even mandated by the early church writers.
---Lee1538 on 11/25/09


2 Timothy 3, written by Paul 45 to 65 yrs INTO CHURCH AGE:

16 Every SCRIPTURE is God breathed, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for discipline which is in: RIGHTEOUSNESS:

The goal Righteousness:

Paul said that every scripture is God breathed for what?
FOR CORRECTION,DISCIPLINE

Since there was no NT when He wrote this teachings.

What is good for CORRECTION, TEACHING?

The Old Testament.

But dont call it that. Did Paul, or any of the Apostles? No!

Not even Christ. Shouldnt we follow His/their example:

Call it Word, Law and The Prophets, Scripture, Torah, even Christ did, incorrectly it has been taught to you as Old Testament
---Paul9594 on 11/25/09


1pet 2:9-But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, ...
Titus 2:14- ...redeem us from all iniquity, purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.---metuschelah on 11/18/09

Well GOD can do what he wants to do he is GOD.
You did a nice job of utilizing witnesses. 2 Old Covenant and 2 New Covenant. If you slow down just a little bit you will notice they all same the same thing about same people. Some additional marks/signs/clues are in these verses. Redeem=to buy back something previously your own. Chosen= hand picked out of existing. Peculiar=Special. Holy=separate. Royal=ISRAEL=RULING with GOD. Priesthood...well you get it. Heb 8:8,Jer31:31.
---Trav on 11/18/09


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maybe if we studied Romans 9, 10 And 11, we might better see the difference in Israel as a nation And the Church as the Body of Christ
---michael_e on 11/18/09

Some do and you might. The only difference is widowhood. And laws in heart now. Throw in a penitent mind. Romans is a good place to find truth. Renew the mistranslated word Gentile to what is should be Nations or ethnos and a light might shine. Step over to Heb 8:8 then find out why Jeremiah would prophecy such in 31:31. Sneak peek, (but don't admit it) Jer 3:14 on the marriage statement, concordance divorce and you might glimpse the chruch as a body is Entire House of Israel who lost her married name. Might read Matt 15:24 for sheep supper. Then Heb8:10 to sleep on.
---Trav on 11/18/09


Ps 135:4- For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, [and] Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Deut 14:2- For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
1pet 2:9-But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Titus 2:14- Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
ALL WHO ARE SAVED whether hebrew or other nationality.
---metuschelah on 11/18/09


maybe if we studied Romans 9, 10 And 11, we might better see the difference in Israel as a nation And the Church as the Body of Christ
---michael_e on 11/18/09


The Apostle John knowing the SAME gospel standards per Christ applies for the WORLD not just Jew/Israelites teaches:

2 and HE is the propitiation for our :sins, and not for :ours only, but also for
the WHOLE WORLD.

3 And hereby we know that we know him, IF WE keep his :commandments.

4 Who saith that I know him, and keepeth not his :commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in this man,

5 but whoso keepeth his :word, in him hath truly the love of :God been perfected. Hereby

You starting point, the 10 commandments placed IN THE ARK of the covenant illustrating the core of your covenant with faith in Christ, walk after this, not apostasy.
---Paul9594 on 11/17/09


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Trav
The only place where me and you differ on romans 2:29- is that I take it as there is no more physical jewish people as the apple of God's eye, why you ask, because they were never the people of god's eye ... ---metuschelah on 11/14/09

Word is swayed. But, the issue is: First you prophecy falsely.
Second,you do not understand the relationship GOD had with this 13 nationed people.
Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all nations that are upon earth.

We only agreed that Judah does not = all nations of Israel.
You are jealous of the divorced wife. Common. Most are.
---Trav on 11/16/09


There is one law for the Jew and the Gentile, this is from YHVH through Moshe and the Prophets . You are grafted in to the Nation of Ysrael, and are to walk the way Yeshua walked, He kept Torah and so should all who say they love Him. Yeshua said, Why do you call me Lord Lord and do not what I tell you. This is christianity since the 3rd century. You have forsaken YHVH and His Moshiach, but dont really care. How can you say you love Him with all your heart yet despise His Laws????? Oh thats right you run to Paul, even though you cannot explain the outright contradictions Paul makes.
---wayne on 11/16/09


TRAV -
(from your mouth- on 'who are the real jews' blog) on 9/25/09, trav you said "Metuschelah partly correct. No debating Romans 2:29" The same verse I use on this blog, but now I'm Blind, Your the one with blinders on my friend and being swade by the winds of doctrine on this site.
---metuschelah on 11/14/09


(HERE I AM MAKING A COMMENT ON 'Is remmarriage accepted by god')
Part1-I'm tired of hearing that the physical Jewish person is who the old testament was talking to. Who is a jew, (Rom 2:29)"But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter, whose praise [is] not of men, but of God".---metuschelah on 9/29/09
(HERE YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME)
I'm like you, I'm tired of hearing jew as being all Israel. It wasn't. In the new testament the house of Israel and Judah are seperated by divorce. And will be reunited by a New Covenant. Heb 8:8 and Revelations last chapter.
Trav on 10/8/09
---metuschelah on 11/14/09


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Trav
The only place where me and you differ on romans 2:29- is that I take it as there is no more physical jewish people as the apple of God's eye, why you ask, because they were never the people of god's eye because all along when God was talking about the Jews/Israel/Jacob/, it was always talking about believers whether of jewish descant or other nationality, the physical jewish people at one time was a representation/parable of something else but not the very image Hbr 10:1- although talking about the law it also meant the people too.
---metuschelah on 11/14/09


TRAV, if you think i'm blind then PLEASE PLEASE pray for me.LOL. I think your the one that is blind , please stop commenting on me, because you can keep pointing fingers and call me a false prophet and what not, but i guest so did the pharisees and scribes in jesus's days ....---metuschelah on 11/13/09

I don't think you are... scripture proves that you are. If scripture is pressuring you....then you might pray and reconsider the danger.
I try to keep the personal element out of my post. Sometimes fail.
Pray....for what? You to follow scripture? If I do ....you will be a silent false prophet.
---Trav on 11/13/09


TRAV (Jer 30:11) "For I am with thee, saith LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee,
1.you were high-fiving me,
2.your view on this verse change.
3. you are being swade by the winds of doctrines on this blog site.
4. The day I hear what you ever have to say will be the day cats live under water.
---metuschelah on 11/13/09

1. You've confused me with another.
2. Couldn't/wouldn't change truth. It is the same view about one people GOD married/divorced/widowed.
3. Spirit of GOD only wind that moves my sail.
4. I suspected. GOD only can heal the deaf/blind/lame or make cat live under water. Now a Cat Fish can.
---Trav on 11/13/09


TRAV, if you think i'm blind then PLEASE PLEASE pray for me.LOL. I think your the one that is blind , please stop commenting on me, because you can keep pointing fingers and call me a false prophet and what not, but i guest so did the pharisees and scribes in jesus's days and they called him all kinds of names and finally killed him, actually keep calling me what you want because you can't see truth, I suppose i'm in great company.
---metuschelah on 11/13/09


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TRAV (Jer 30:11) "For I am with thee, saith LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: I will correct thee in measure, will not leave thee altogether unpunished". It is speaking of saving the nation believers in christ whether hebrew descant or other nationality. Trav you seem to not remember which side you are on, because when I used this same verse (rom 2:29) on a similar blog, you were high-fiving me, but then as you were instructed by more bloggers, your view on this verse change. Seems to me that you are being swade by the winds of doctrines on this blog site. The day I hear what you ever have to say will be the day cats live under water.
---metuschelah on 11/13/09


The Law of God was given to all mankind, simply entrusted to the children of Israel, to be demonstrated to all men.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable [to all] for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" Written in earlier times for the instruction of all mankind, "so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope."
The statutes and ordinances by the hand of Moses, written on parchment, given to govern His chosen nation has been nailed to the cross, and His Law, written upon tablets of stone has been transferred to the tablets of man's heart and still governs the behavior of His chosen, the light of the world.
---joseph on 11/9/09


Of course there is a difference. Do you think God meant to require circumcision for everyone? Do you think He meant that no body should marry outside their tribe?

The very reason for these requirements were to distinguish the Jews from other peoples of the same region... to "separate" then unto Him.
No one else was instructed to celebrate passover, or required to make blood sacrifices for sin. The Levitical priesthood was unique to the Hebrews.

When Jesus came, He extended His mercy to the Gentiles...but He never required of them all the ceremonial laws of the Jews.
---Donna66 on 11/6/09


part 1
No, there is no difference, in actuality when the bible refer to Jews or Israel it's direct audience are not the physical Jewish people, in fact it is speaking to believers ----metuschelah on 11/6/09

You are teaching...but, you don't know what. You have same blinders on that I used to wear. I recognize them. Don't want em back. Prophets removed mine, with the thousands of times former wife is mentioned....and that she is clean now. To be remarried. Heb8:8.

11For I am with thee, saith LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: I will correct thee in measure, will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
---Trav on 11/6/09


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part 1
No, there is no difference, in actuality when the bible refer to Jews or Israel it's direct audience are not the physical Jewish people, in fact it is speaking to believers in christ which can also be a physical jew, those who keeps his commandments (Rom 2:28-29) "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter, whose praise [is] not of men, but of God".
---metuschelah on 11/6/09


No, there isn't a difference, EVERYONE needs a Savior and His Name is Jesus.

Everyone needs to repent of their sins in order to be saved from the wrath of God and from going to hell.

Everyone needs to turn from their evil wicked ways, from their pride, bitterness, unforgiveness and turn to Jesus and receive the shed blood of Jesus for forgiveness for their sins.

EVERYONE needs a Savior, His name is Jesus. No difference what race you are, what color or tribe you are, it's the same gospel for all.
---Donna on 11/6/09


About the Jews, we have > "What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God." > Romans 3:1-2 > see with Romans 9:1-5. And Jesus started with His twelve Apostles who were Jews. But what has come to them has now been coming to us who are not Jews. The cup has been running over, with what has been in their cup > "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)
---Bill_bila5659 on 11/6/09


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